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Sox Lose Again, But Focus Remains Off Field

Good grief!

The White Sox couldn't solve Brian Matusz Wednesday night, and were unable to pickup a game on the Twins, who also lost. That should be the main story on a late-August night when the Sox are 3.5 games back of first place. Tonight, however, it's a distant third to a pair of off-field issues.

First, the Sox appear close to swinging a deal for Manny Ramirez. Although the exact details are difficult to pin down, this much is for sure; Manny Ramirez is on waivers, and the White Sox intend to clam him and work out a trade if necessary to obtain him. It's not quite clear whether he's been passed over by the NL clubs as of yet, but at least one source is claiming that the Sox and Dodgers are talking minor league players right now. We shouldn't have to wait too long, since the waiver process only takes about 3 days. 

A night like tonight certainly illustrates Manny's value. The Sox started Andruw Jones and his near-.200 average in RF while Manny (2 2B, BB) appears to be shaking off the DL cobwebs with the Dodgers. I know I don't have to sell Manny to most of you -- it should be obvious; production trumps versatility. But there is a large segment of Soxdom that doesn't want him, for one reason or another.

Meanwhile the Sox DL'ed Matt Thornton and J.J. Putz today as was expected. Also as expected, controversy followed, but not because of who they called up to replace the setup men, or anything from actually within the organization. No, it's Oney Guillen time again. 

Your second favorite Guillen who doesn't know when to shut up took to the Twitter this weekend to fire some more shots across Kenny Williams' bow. Oney Guillen took umberage to KW not being with the team in KC while they experienced the bullpen shortage, and insinuated that Williams was asleep at the wheel -- or too busy watching second-hand Mencia jokes with a lady friend. He then started taking on all media who refused to run his I'm important, I know things because my daddy is famous ramblings (read: anyone but Joe Cowley).

WIlliams supposedly spoke with Ozzie before the game to discuss the tweets, and showed NBC's Paula Faris evidence in the form of phone calls and text messages that he was indeed on the job the past weekend even if he wasn't physically in KC. But that only prompted more tweets from Oney -- predicting that he would be called a liar, taking on more media members including Faris, and not-so-subtlely (I don't think I'm reading too much into a non-sequitur) calling KW an adulterer again with a tweet seemingly about Tiger Woods. 

In two consecutive tweets broadcast to everyone (non-replies) Oney said "For the record no one has repramanded me of anything. Or ever will for that matter. Just hope and pray I that I don't let the skeletons out of the closet." and then "Everyone also thought that Tiger Woods was faitful to his wife and great human being. Don't be so naive." Or as I read it "I know things about people. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge."

I hate doing these stupid twitter recaps more than I hate blown games by the bullpen. It's just so freaking stupid.

Oney very well be right about everything he's tweeted. I'm not even disputing it. But the manner in which the message is delivered invalidates what little authority he might have. Simply playing the not-so-anonymous source card, running to his favorite @cst_sox twitter friend, feeding him a juicy story while remaining silent on social media would give the story far more credit. Instead he looks like a spoiled, petulant child holding a grudge over the loss of a cushy job he earned through hard work nepotism.

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oney is a bigger idiot than ozzie.

and thats tough to do.

By the way, I think any story would be bigger than that snooze fest of a game i just wasted my time at. So boring. Very disappointing too because the Orioles have always been my second favorite team. blah. The orioles game i saw last year was a lot better- the sox won and i ate and drank myself into a coma in the scout seats.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 25, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

its fun to like shitty teams

when they’re shitty and dont beat your favorite team

Thome Walks-Off Sox, Twists Knife, Continues To Make Sox Brass Look REALLY Stupid - White Sox Season Recap

by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

on a happier side-note

there is still room in the SSS fantasy football league if anyone else is interested.

oh, and draft is on saturday at 2pm(1pm for everyone actually in chicago). be there or send me your address

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll be there.... and I'm gunna kick your ass so hard.

because women shouldn’t be in fantasy sports ;)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 26, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

women have always been in my fantasy sports.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 26, 2010 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

id like you to know i won one of my leagues last year and came in 4th/12 in the other

oh, did i mention that was my rookie season in fantasy sports?

i welcome the challenge….but i thought you hated football

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

i love fantasy football.

ive been in a league since 93… I really really dislike how preseason football gets so much attention even though its the middle of the baseball season… and i hope the bears lose every game…. but i like football.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

going to miss the draft, will be golfing

auto draft will probably do better, ha!

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Aug 26, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

at least prerank players, please

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

sure thing

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I too will miss the draft

because of work in my case- but I’ll do my ranking tonight
 
kthxbai

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Aug 26, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

never

Thome Walks-Off Sox, Twists Knife, Continues To Make Sox Brass Look REALLY Stupid - White Sox Season Recap

by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

401 North Wabash Avenue Chicago, IL

Feel free to drop by.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

only person im visiting there is becks

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh that's convenient,

He’s my roommate.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably going to auto most of the draft

Got family and friends coming into town to go see the Charlotte Knights that evening

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

i blame this loss on kenwo

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 26, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

youre late someone already did that.

blame it on ozzie. he should have let me pinch hit for someone. i would have had just as good of a shot as most of these jagoffs.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 26, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

PH for AJ bottom 9 I thought

yeah I know lefty-righty and AJ had one of the 3 hits in the previous 8 innings.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps throwing stones isn't the smartest move

for a fella who has family members living in glass houses.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 26, 2010 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

unless trapped in said house

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Aug 26, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was at this offensive suckfest of a game tonight too

3 hits in 8 innings says it all.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 26, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

This actually did improve my mood. Thank You.

WTGD throws himself on the gook grenade and utters his last phrase.
by Rhubarb on Aug 19, 2010 5:42 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

sweet

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 26, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

She's an OPOS, KenWo.

42? Fer Chrissakes, if I want to fantasize about someone my wife’s age I’ll pull out my wedding pictures. ;)

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al Bundy?

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 26, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

who?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

sofia vergara or whatever her name is

shes quite impressive in my opinion.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes sir.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice work

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good work, kid.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

so what's the deal? is that no longer the walkup song?

only the “nice play / hit” song?

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

When he went below the mendoza line,

And said he didn’t deserve a walk up song. Paulie thought that was silly, so he picked out one for him. So they won’t play it when he walks up, but usually will when he kicks ass.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

i sware that was word for word my answer to this question

are you copying me?

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

searched it

pretty close

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, I did recall someone else telling me that.

I just didn’t know where I heard it. I know because I was the one who asked the question. But yes, I should cite my sources.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

shouldnt you just assume that all beckham knowledge comes from me?

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

that would be a foolish assumption

as there are other people on here who like him

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 26, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, some of us-- uhh, THEM - do.

After a long night of binge drinking, things can happen…

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 27, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This tidbit of knowledge has been brought to you by oneloyaldawg

Any account or descriptions of this knowledge cannot be disseminated without the expressed written consent of OLD.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

FUCK

god damn it
shit fuckers

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

This lineup needs a total overhaul

Its stagnant, and I just cant watch it anymore. By monday, I better be looking at:

Pierre-LF
Beckham-2B
Ramirez, M-DH
Konerko-1B
Rios-CF
Ramirez, A-SS
Quentin/Teahen-RF
Vizquel/Teahen-3B
Pierzynski-C

‎"I love Dustin Pedroia. He is very good hitter. And he has a strong back, so he could be climbed up on and I sit on his shoulders and ride around on him like riding a little horse that loves me and eats apples and I have to pitch around because he is a good hitter"

by TheIronSchenk on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Why would Ozzie move Bacon to the 2 hole now?

And Rios has to start getting it going again.

However, I do love seeing Manny in the middle of that line-up….

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 26, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because since 7-11, he's hitting .354/.407/.591. He's done his time in the 9 spot.

Plus our offense sucks?

‎"I love Dustin Pedroia. He is very good hitter. And he has a strong back, so he could be climbed up on and I sit on his shoulders and ride around on him like riding a little horse that loves me and eats apples and I have to pitch around because he is a good hitter"

by TheIronSchenk on Aug 26, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still like Bacon delivering in the 9 spot.

Gives a boost to the bottom of the lineup, he’s comfortable there, things are going well for him there. Vizquel (and Alice A) have produced alright in the two spot. Leave that part be, we have larger issues.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Aug 26, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

to win the division

some players are going to have to accomplish things that they may not be “comfortable” doing.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like playing good baseball

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or riding the bench.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Aug 26, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

‎"I love Dustin Pedroia. He is very good hitter. And he has a strong back, so he could be climbed up on and I sit on his shoulders and ride around on him like riding a little horse that loves me and eats apples and I have to pitch around because he is a good hitter"

by TheIronSchenk on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

My September catcher

Is Castro.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Aug 26, 2010 4:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Vizquel is doing a great job.

There is nothing wrong with Omar. Not this year. He is not a long-term answer. We seemingly don’t care much about the long-term.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are the odds Manny even drops to us?

Seems like everyone thinks that is a given.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

No its not, other clubs have till friday.

Although the chances of anyone else wanting him are slim to none.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

jesus christ, oney guillen needs to shut the fuck up

what a pathetic little shit. If JR is about anything it’s about loyalty. You don’t put your shit in the street on twitter. God damn son, stfu.

If Guillen can’t control his sons tweets fire his ass. Its one god damn thing after another. I don’t really think these “distractions” are even distractions but come on, enough is enough.

by madvillian on Aug 26, 2010 12:54 AM CDT reply actions  

dont feed the trolls

just because csn or whatever pays attention to that crap doesnt mean we have to.

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

(no offense to cheat but) n sox fanbase >>>> n sss community

that joe cowley feeds the troll is a problem that can’t be ignored..people still read the suntimes on the el and watch tv.

heads should roll on this, anybody’s family life should be off limits and ozzie should have put the noose on his dickhead spoiled ass son long ago.

either kenny is going to be promoted to a position that’s not GM or ozzie quits.

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 26, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah this shit has to stop.

It’s just ridiculously unacceptable.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

My only question is

why would Ozzie name one of his sons after Saddam Hussein’s bigger, dumber son?

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 26, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

i honestly had no idea there was a twitter "controversy" until i read the recap.

does that make me out of the loop?

regardless, oney is a little bitch. not for being the whiny brat overindulged son he is, but for what he said. so:

a) he lied. in which case, he’s a fucking liar in addition to being a stupid spoiled (media) whore.
b) he told the truth. in which case, he needs to turn in his man card at the nearest possible location. he’s a rat that should keep his nose out of other people’s business and spreading it around like a tmz gossip whore.
c) he said something in the gray area of a) and b). see implications of a) and b) together, then.

so, how about those based ball games?

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

but i havent read the paper or listened to the score in a week

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the rest of you,

but I’m goddamn tired of the Guillen spawn dog and pony show. I don’t know who is entertained by it, and it’s only a byproduct of having a manager that doesn’t understand what produces offense statistically. It comes at the price of having the focus on the team not even being about why it exists, which is baseball. This shit is for Access Hollywood. It makes me wish the Sox hired Cito Gaston all those years ago.

This post is courtesy of /drink, but come on. Cut the fucking cancer out.

by obnoxious american on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie thinks because they won it all in 2005 he has a lifetime pass.

The fucker threatens to quit every time the going gets rough. What he doesn’t understand about white sox fans is that we love the uniform a helluva lot more than the names on them. He thinks he’s bigger than the game and he’s the attraction. He may be to the media and to casual fans but to core sox fans he’s starting to look like a total ass.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 26, 2010 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's absolutely

pathetic that one of the things that will be remembered about this season is the amount of Twitter-related fires that have occurred. This is supposed to be a major league baseball team?! Jesus help me.

Does anyone really care that Kenny Williams has a taste for hos-bags/bad comedians?

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't care if KW is a philanderer, but

I would sure love to see him fuck the Dodgers out of Manny.

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 26, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 26, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

kenny seems to be taking the higher road, good for him, and it does make ozzie look like the bigger fool for not controlling his son
’’I’m sick of my name being in certain tweets,‘’ Williams said. ’’I actually got caught by surprise when it was communicated to me what was actually said. Again, it’s disappointing. But I’ve since learned, especially dealing with Ozzie, that whatever I hear or read, any of that stuff that comes out from the periphery, go to him and talk first. Get some background on the story. Give me context, give me background, what’s going? Do you feel like this? Are these your thoughts?

‘’Ozzie and I had a great conversation, not just about this but about the team as a whole, about the future as a whole and where we want to go and how we want to conduct business and how respectful and peaceful we want it to be. So all in all, I consider it to be a good day.’’

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 26, 2010 3:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Had to stop at a red light

Looking in my mirror not a jacker in sight

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

So rec'd.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Aug 26, 2010 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't wish infidelity on anyone

But I really hope Kenny closes the Manny deal with one of Tiger’s sloppy seconds in one hand, and a “Mind of Mencia” DVD in another.

Mark Gonzalez can get the exclusive interview.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 4:58 AM CDT reply actions  

68-58, 36 games to go

If they go .500 the rest of the way that’s 86-76

Twins are 72-55, if they go .500 they go 90-72

Sox have squandered a really squishy soft section of their schedule v DET, KC and BALT. They pulled it out of their ass once before this year so it’s hard to declare them dead, but the way they’re playing now can’t see them playing better than .500 ball with the remainder of their schedule.

They did the same shit last year, just rolled over and did nothing the last 8 weeks of the season.

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 26, 2010 6:53 AM CDT reply actions  

So MN/TX is going the way it was supposed to (MN 0-2)

and we’re 1-1 at home agianst inferior competition. That’s the story. It’s a shame we have to focus on Page 6-ish material. When I saw the headline of this post I just shook my head. Until the focus is on winning, or how to get better at winning, we’re a sideshow geek.

Every. Game. Counts.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

story of the season basically

We just are not winning the games we need too, plain and simple. Same goes for last year two. Ozzie’s teams seems to do terrible in August every year.

by 815Sox on Aug 26, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

the bullpen is a shambles

To win games they’re going to need to have some healthy cushion going into the late innings. This offense is pretty mediocre at best, and the one thing they excel at is giving away one to three outs per game. I guess having a ferociously hot Manny for six weeks might help, but you’d have to get some baserunners in front of him first…really need to polish up these rose-colored glasses to see a way to win the division.

blech

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 26, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The offense has not been the problem

again – best offense in Baseball in the month of August. Manny makes it better.

Bullpen has been bad.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why does everyone cherry-pick small slices of the season to make a point?

They’ve been running the same stooges out there every day since April. Our heroes are 7th out of 14 teams in the AL in runs scored, 7th in OBP, 5th in SLG.

If you’d adjust for playing in the friendliest power park in the league, they basically suck. But we’re 2nd in stolen bases, so we got that going for us.

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The White Sox have a losing record in the month of August

But – it is not for a lack of offense.

Had the bullpen been able to hold leads – the Sox would have swept Detroit, won 2 of 3 from Minnesota, and taken 2 of 3 from KC.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now you are overstating things

I generally agree with your point but if you are looking at only the month, which is relevant now, you can’t ignore the runs they have put up and casually dismiss it. Run distribution is the greater issue and there is still an obvious hole to fill.

I think everyone still realizes Manny or no Manny if they don’t pitch better they have no chance.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Min is 0-3

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manny. Manny! Manny?

Then it gets complicated:

Ramirez wants a one-year contract extension to waive his no-trade clause, one source says. His leverage would reduce — and the chances of the Dodgers moving him might increase — if the White Sox or any other club were awarded a claim.

The Dodgers also could exert leverage in other ways.

A return to the AL would be in Ramirez’s best interest as he prepares to become a free agent this offseason. The Dodgers could threaten to reduce his playing time if he refuses to waive his no-trade clause, hurting his market value.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Not for a year

given his history of giving up. A motivated Manny for a playoff push, yes. For a whole year…not so much.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 26, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the right price

I’d take Manny for a 1 year deal.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was Buster who said

a hot Manny down the stretch = 1 yr 5 mm next season. Seems a bit low?

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Aug 26, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

A "Hot Manny" sounds kind of obscene.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

kinda souns like a really good sandwich to me

but im hungry, so that could be effecting my judgment

"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-

by oneloyaldawg on Aug 26, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm partial to the Corned Beef sandwich.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 26, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i love mannys, been going there since i was a little kid

a bit pricy, but the sandwiches are huge. i do the half pastrami half corn beef. gotta love those potato pancakes.

"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie

by usualsuspect on Aug 26, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

but I’ll roll the dice on Manny for 5 million. He could produce that in half a year’s work.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously look at what he's done in only 64 games this year

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd still rather make him earn it

manny may be the sort who needs a carrot to make him perform best. no 2011 contract until the offseason.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree..

I’d much rather pay him 5 than some bum 1 million to be Mark Kotsay again.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't think you want him on a non free agent year.

He’s an idiot, and just doesn’t care half the time. I’d be glad to have him for the rest of this year, but ugh, no thanks after that.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cost?

Not at his current price tag. His people sure are good negotiators. Who’s his agent, again? Hmmm.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's not going to be cheap. At all.

We don’t have the money for any sort of extension.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

whatever

Call his bluff.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait. This is irrelevant.

He’ll be claimed. What he wants doesn’t matter unless the Sox are on a no trade list beforehand right?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty big list.

His agent is a smart guy. Who is that guy…?

Oh, yeah, the guy the Sox will never do business with. We shall see.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which he has stated he will waive to play for the White Sox
#mlb #whitesox #dodgers Manny Ramirez has let it be known through friends that, if presented, he would accept a trade to the White Sox.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/22133605952

He wants to play here for Ozzie, that is an advantage that we have.

A year of him would be good

by 815Sox on Aug 26, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can still hold out for more.

He doesn’t have to waive it without commensurate compensation.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't give a damn what that numbnuts Oney tweets

but yes Ozzie should put a muzzle on his damn dog/son. Sometimes I wish KW wasnt really a GM. I’m convinced if given the chance he’d fuck the whole Ozzie clan up.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

why, because he's black?

fucking racist. take that ridiculous costume off, imperial wizard tdogg.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because Tdogg would do that.

And he’s black. And all blacks think the same way. Tdogg is a racist, but it’s “black on black” racism. Don’t let his hat fool you.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

So was Frank Collins.

Nazis do a piss-poor job vetting their leaders.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which part, his schwantz?

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 26, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

If reports are "true"

he already came close to fucking him up. Im “prejudiced” against stupidity. Oh and country folks.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the 1st time ever half the worlds population lives in cities

take that country folks!

(im guessing im counted as ‘city’ in suburbia)

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

out here we define rural as a county with less than 35,000 people

so yeah.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

fewer.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 26, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe "ignorant country folks".

Some of the country folks I know are a little more enlightened than the 1960’s (hell, 1990’s) country folks.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

hell yeah

KW is a pimp. And the Ozzie clan is short.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

you think his reach advantage would be the deciding factor?

I would go with the fact that he works out when they are losing.
kw has got to be getting jacked by now.

"Hur coomes der trayne!"

by e-gus on Aug 26, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

So this is what Oney does with his free time now that he's unemployed.

Christ, man. Get a life. And a job.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

And being unemployed is so 2009.

Wait, I’m still unemployed. Scratch that.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I work over the internet?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're giving away jobs,

I’ll take the blow job.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 27, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

At your age, you wouldn't know what to do with it.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 27, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct me if i'm wrong

but the last time (and only time) we walked off this season was against Seattle in back to back games. I think it was April 23rd and 24th or something. Why cant we get a walk-off win for a change? It seems that lately if we are down after 7 innings, you might as well turn the TV off. I’m an hour ahead here in VA and its painful to stay up an extra 20 minutes just to watch them lose.

by XuBrent on Aug 26, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

you're not wrong.

the white sox’ primary issue has been an inordinate number of walk off losses. 7 is kind of a lot.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bull. Pen.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many walk-offs came when the score was tied?

Old argument. But if you can’t close, you can’t win.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

and how many came when the white sox scored 3 runs or less?

or had someone screw up on defense? it’s a team effort to blow that many games.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 2005 we won a truckload of one-run games.

This year we haven’t. And a great deal has to do with blown saves. I am too lazy to look it up, but I’ll wager we locked down better in 2005 than this year. And I am aware that was a huge outlier year. Just sayin’.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

how many runs did the starters give up in 2005.

how much better would you rate the 2005 defense than the 2010 defense. team effort.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Answer my question first, and I'll answer yours.

But it would be interesting to compare overall offense/defense/pitching/RP for the two years.

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i didn't ask you any questions.

interesting? i’d call it easy. better starting pitching, better relief pitching, better defense in 2005. worse offense.

by larry on Aug 26, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure you did. You just didn't add question marks.

(And I know your parameters.) Analyzing the why’s and how much’s of each outperformance is the interesting part. Would the better offense cancel out the worse defense and leave pitching as the reason we are not getting it done?

That’s the interesting part for me. Where do you look? B-R? Fangraphs?

"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM

by winningugly on Aug 26, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right when we started our hot streak...

I noted (either in my infamous me vs tdogg fanpost, or to myself) that the Sox had a ridiculous record in 1-run games. And that was going to regress.

Well it has. You can almost never beat regression.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No team has ever lost when holding the opposing team scoreless.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 26, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

you say this as if he's some kind of rotational filler

and not a rookie with the ceiling of an ace

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he just shut down Texas in his last start

not exactly a slouch. from Olney’s column:

How Brian Matusz beat the White Sox:


A) Matusz’s success started and ended with the fastball: 78 of his 117 pitches were fastballs (highest this season).
B) He allowed no hits on the heater (first time all season).
C) He changed levels in the zone (36 up, 34 down, eight middle), retiring a minimum of four in each zone.

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Aug 26, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's time for Kenny to get Oney's address.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

see agreement Larry

ha!

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 26, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

If anyone in the Sox front office would throw down...

I think Kenny might if he were angry enough. But it looks like someone would have to slash his tires, kick his dog, blow up his mailbox with a works bomb, leave a flaming bag of dog shit on his door step, and egg his house. He’s too mild-mannered.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 26, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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