Edwin Jackson Blanks O's, Pitches Sox To First Series Victory in Weeks
by The Cheat on Aug 26, 2010 10:12 PM CDT
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PrintEdwin Jackson, who has been nothing short of spectacular in a White Sox uniform, had yet another dominating performance Thursday night against the Orioles. Jackson was well-rested, having thrown only 7 pitches in his last unofficial outing -- the controversial rainout-turned-doubleheader last weekend -- and looked every bit like a pitcher who had a little something extra.
What was really impressive to me though, was that Jackson didn't seem to just blow hitters away. He seemed to be setting batters up more than in his previous outings, dialing up the fastball when he needed it and not becoming over-reliant on his slider. He appeared to be a pitcher with total confidence in his stuff and more importantly, his ability to put that stuff exactly where he wanted it.
The results speak for themselves. 8 IP, 3 H, 10 K. That'll work, no matter who the opponent is.
Jackson is going to be fun to watch in a White Sox uniform for the next year. I'll save the Hudson hand-wringing for another post. For now, I'm just happy that the Sox are back on track. It was a long time between series wins; and if you don't win series it's pretty damn hard to win the division.
Beating the O's is a small step in the right direction. Now, time for the NY Fighting Swishers, bro.
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Sweet
I am already on record expecting a monster year from Jackson next year under Coop.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I think it's possible to expect a big year from Jackson and still not like the trade
That’s where I am
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gah
why did they have to pay 10MM for someone they thought would be easier to fix? why couldn’t they at least have gotten some money?
and they really have to be thinking extension, right?
Fireworks: Bang?
and they really have to be thinking extension, right?
scott boras doesn’t like that
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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I think that's a pretty rational position to take
What I’d like is if Jackson has a great year and just loves the Sox so much he decides to stay at the Sox going rate for pitchers. There’s probably 0.01% chance of that happening, but I like to dream.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 26, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
considering
how much he has been bounced about, he might appreciate being in one place for a while.
so the probability is a bit higher than that. though likely only a wee bit.
agreed
but would it make it even worse to get a decent return for him mid-season next year (if we’re out of contention)?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah no qualms with that
I still don’t like the trade either. They raise the trophy either year they can gladly tell us to go to hell.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
We clearly got the better talent in the trade. I like those trades.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Only if you ignore the talent that the $10MM going to Jackson could have bought
Hudson + a pretty good starting 3B/RF/C/DH > Jackson (Probably)
by joewho112 on Aug 27, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
$10 Million buys roughly a 2-2.5 win player
You can do the math, but if Hudson is a 2 win player, Jackson is a 3 win player, then for the deal to be equal the Sox would have to gain at least a win from a FA signing at one position.
I think that’s right. Correct me if I’m wrong. Just left 9 am statistics class. Head not working right.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Finding a player to provide 1+WAR over Teahan (for example) shouldn't be too hard at $10MM. And that's just for next year
You would have to include the difference between Hudson + other players compared to Jackson or whoever they get to replace him in 2012-14
You're right, I added wrong.
If Hudson is worth 2 WAR at $500,000, or whatever his salary is…
Then Jackson ($8.5M) has to be worth about 4 WAR for the trade to have equal market value in 2011
That’s because Hudson (assuming 2 WAR) + $8M FA (another 2 WAR) = E-Jax $8M (4 WAR)
Now, if Hudson provides anything over 2 WAR, then E-Jax has to match his improvement above 4 WAR to be equal.
Can Jackson be a 4 win pitcher next year? Possible. Greater than 4 Wins? Possible… but less likely for sure.
Then you throw in the fact that Hudson is cheaper for many more years and Jackson is only signed through next year (and his agent is Boras) and you realize that if Hudson is near 2 WAR or greater every year this is a bad trade.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
ahhh, no mas, no mas
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. I've been busy the last 3 weeks or so since the trade. Haven't really spent much time here
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
nah man, i'm just saying i didn't like this trade to begin with, your post was like pouring salt over an open wound
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
How was your first dump?
Thought of you when I read this:
http://www.slate.com/id/2264657/
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
lol. it's right, though. it's right.
sitting too long was my problem. should never read on the can.
It was about a 6-7 on the 1-10 scale. They’ve since gone down to about a 2-3. I had to take a hot bath after every one for a while to ease the pain.
I wish it on no one.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Been there, done that, about 15 years ago.
Perfect asshole since.
(To reprise the joke.)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Ouch, man. Then you know what I went and am still going through.
And I thought that 3 days after the surgery I was going to drive 2 hours back to Rock Hill. Hah! I don’t think I knew where I was 3 days later.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
o
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
No need to rehash this stuff
I really think its been covered well but there are 2 things I’d add.
I think Hudson and 2 war next year is a bit casual. Sure he might but Danks was worth only .8 in his 1st full year.
I’ll take Jackson reaches 4 WAR next year discussion.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I know what he's doing
and I love Hudson. Im not saying he won’t get 2 WAR. But teams adjust and scout. We’ll see next year.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
of course he might suck.
so might jackson.
and hudson is a better pitcher right now than danks was in 2007.
wow
you really think so? You know minor league stuff way better than I, but I don’t think so.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
and Jackson is pitching better than Danks right now
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Jackson could reach 4 WAR...
But I think Hudson reaches 2 next year, if they all stay healthy.
But as I pointed out (and sorry, I haven’t read much about the trade since it happened, and missed all the analysis) … Jackson has to remain about 2 WAR > than Hudson for it to make fiscal sense. Will that happen? Uhm… I wouldn’t bet on it.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you factor in the potential playoff revenues?
Or are you saying Hudson was as likely to help the Sox get there as Jackson?
Assuming they do.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Nah, didn't factor in playoff revenues...
But if Jackson gets us to the playoffs and continues pitching this lights out… well… yeah. I’d say it’s a wash for 2011. For 2012 and on… Can’t tell yet.. Depends on how they pitch next year.
I said in the GT last night that there’s no way Hudson does what Jackson has done his past 4 starts. While we haven’t won each of those games, Jackson put us in great position to win. But if the Sox miss the playoffs… it’s looking like a loss.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I get it
Im on record. Jackson kicks Hudson’s ass next year.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I certainly hope so. To the tune of 2 WAR or great.
But if he does, he’s priced his way out of town. He’ll want a raise, and he’ll probably get around $14M a year. At least.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Im guessing
The White Sox attempt to sign him in the offseason. That’s their normal way of doing business.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I know the money is a factor in liking the trade
but in terms of pure baseball talent, I like the trade. Jackson is still (relatively) young and his arm is better than Hudson’s.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 26, 2010 10:23 PM CDT reply actions
honestly, the money wouldn't be so big a deal
if it didn’t look like Hudson has figured out how to pitch. 6 years is a long time.
Fireworks: Bang?
give it a little more time...still early
Ely looked pretty good for a few starts too.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
6 years isnt enough time?
We only respectable members of the blog to any kind of standard. - Grinder In Training
by omnipotent grab on Aug 26, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
ely was good for six years?
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by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't you ely is an appropriate comp for hudson
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions
easy for you to say.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
what easy, do you think ely has the same projected ceiling as hudson?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
No, he doesn't
But, Jackson hasn’t fallen on his face and has actually looked dominate (in the AL). Hudson has looked just as good in he NL and is a lot cheaper – but also has a very short track record. This is only his second full season. That also could mean that the trade really looks lopsided, but I am going to wait until I completely judge this trade. KW hasn’t been known to get fleeced very often when it comes to trading his young starting pitching. I would have liked to see the Sox get some money back in this deal, but that didn’t happen. I honestly think this deal was for Dunn and not Jackson – but so far it hasn’t been a bad trade for either team.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
i appreciate your qualified response unlike micktoprick's
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
haha, perhaps, but i would rather err on the side of caution
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I also meant to state that Coop is a f*cking Wizard
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I was gonna cite that, but figured your evil a$$ would throw that in my face again
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Jackson gets Bobby Jenks' money.
so its not that big of a deal.
Even if Hudson makes for a fine NL #3.
"Hur coomes der trayne!"
Looked like he'd be an AL #3 though
And he’s been outstanding in the NL. This year, Jackson is obviously the better pitcher, so it doesn’t really matter, just seems like it should have cost less, that’s all.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
So, Is the game against NY going to be big enough for Freddy?
WTGD throws himself on the gook grenade and utters his last phrase.
by Rhubarb on Aug 19, 2010 5:42 PM CDT
by South Side Expat on Aug 26, 2010 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
Is it sphinchter time yet? (I'm waiting, impatiently)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
I gave that up yesterday, damn.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 26, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Joined AA, eh?
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 26, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
alcoholic anomy...ohhhh i see
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by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
they were saying the same thing Mon-Thu this week
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Teh Twains eat their peas with a knife
You cannot cut fog. HSA will curse those bitches. 2 of 3 for us. 1 of 3 der Twain. We own the Union.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Or don't
Please don’t.
For whatever reason, confed. flags really bug me.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Yeah you're right...I hate confederate flag too
Have stolen and burned 2 in my life. Just trying to rally against the Yanks.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
That first inning of all fastball offerings was very impressive.
And striking out Scott in the 2nd with zero fastballs was a nice addition, too.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 26, 2010 11:29 PM CDT reply actions
I am quite upset i missed this game entirely.
was drafting a fantasy football team and they had the colts game on.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i do got a pretty sweet team though.
id share it but then you may know my draft strategy for saturdays draft.
Kenwo4life=ratings
actually sir,
that was the Packer game you were watching.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
FGBP
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
We won, and you were not present.
This is not the first time. It is a trend. Begone for the GT’s!
"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM
and someone smash Cheat's pelvis again
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Happy Manny Day!
Peter Gammons says Manny will clear waivers.
WHY?!?
Why not put in the claim? Otherwise, you start dealing with other teams, their minor league talent, and the machinations of Scott Boras.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
seems like the sox weren't willing to sign on for an extension so soon
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Does the extension apply to a straight claim?
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I got a feeling KW has something in the works and it isn't Manny
I thought Alomar and Everett are too old…so not sure.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Could be they don't want to risk being stuck with the entire salary
They may be trying to work out a deal where they give up prospect(s) and the LA eats part of the salary.
Was at the game last night, in diamond suite 434 next TO JR!
Courtesy of my dad. JR went blazer, no tie. Anyhoo, everyone I talked to at the park or overheard at the park was completely against waiver claiming Manny. Why, you might ask? Surely its the financial cost of a short term rental? No, not quite.
He “can’t hit”, is “a bum”, “wouldn’t be better than Andruw Jones”, “leave Kotsay in the lineup”, “there’s no room on this team for him.”
My favorite was: “We already have a Manny. His name is Andruw Jones.”
Fun game though, Jackson looked great, huge for him to go 8 and give the bullpen a break. And I love that when Che makes great plays, it doesn’t surprise me one bit, I just expect it to happen. What a player.
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
Sigh
Do people actually read or look at anything before they say things? I bet collectively they haven’t half 1 game of the Dodgers this year. “He can’t hit….” goodness.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I guess
I must admit though I’m a little shocked at how much I have read that. Could just be a vocal minority. Bullpen failures have clouded things but as I mentioned yesterday run distribution hasn’t been the greatest.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i mean i get that you'd look
at his past two years and see the injuries, suspension, and the “attitude problems” that he’s had throughout his career. but even a guy like B. Olney tweeted something along the lines of, “you’d be paying 4 mill to a guy who’s had two hits in the last 57 days.” the dude’s hit his whole career, even in this year’s 64 games he’s OPS’ed over 900. whatever
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
oops watched
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
they read joe cowley tdogg
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Joe Cowley
read or look at anything before HE says anything? :-)
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Quick question:
With Phreddy starting tonight, why use Pena for mop-up last night? Why not Liney (for example), saving Pena “in case” he’s needed to go long tonight?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
You have Harrell for that.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I guess there's the "haven't seen him before" aspect of using Harrell, but gut reaction is I'd rather have Pena against the Yanks.
I’d have reversed the use.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Planning is prudent despite the odds.
Read that in a fortune cookie.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Id normally agree but it is Burnett
He could just as easily give up 6-7 runs
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
gonzales:
The White Sox should know by Friday afternoon where they stand in their pursuit of controversial Dodgers slugger Manny Ramirez.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
Seems we would have heard by now if a NL team claimed
or is that premature?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
a team can put in a waiver claim at any time during the window.
the window isn’t closed until this afternoon.
Had anyone read any rumors of any possible NL team
changing their mind?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
The only NL team that would really want to claim him are the Dodgers.
They just went on a nice streak, they might think they could use Manny now. They could just change their mind and take him off waivers.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Reds, Cards?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
What time is the window officially closed?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
47 hours after it opened.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
well. that didn't take long.
don’t doubt don cooper.
tommy john surgery likely for strasburg
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
tough luck for the Nationals
first Zimmerman, now Strasburg. ouch
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
whoa...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's why you don't question a trade for Edwin Jackson
Don Cooper knows his shit.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
close
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/white_sox_pitching_coach_strasburg_VGtdBzYO4ruvngTMzC70cP
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
you and your facts
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 27, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
He went on to say like Kerry Wood, who needed Tommy John.
And discussed his motion as:
what I call an upside-down arm action,"
Which can cause both Shoulder and Elbow problems. I’m sure if they had asked him to be specific, he’d have said the Elbow might be a concern too. It’s not like an injury or stress to his shoulder (which he had), can’t lead to elbow problems.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
basically he didn't like the kids mechanics and stated the kid could 'break' easier than a Buehrle type pitcher
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
okay.
but kerry wood is a poster child for shoulder issues, not elbow issues. just read his injury history.
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/4317/Kerry_Wood
you can put a poster up of just about any pitcher for elbow issues..
Don Cooper predicted the guy would have serious armproblems
Due to his mechanics a month ago. He has Tommy John now, and had to go on the DL because of a shoulder problem, before that.
That seems like a pretty accurate prediction to me. If you disagree, fine.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah. real tough to predict a guy would have arm problems when he's on the DL.
as noted below, everyone said strasburg was a huge injury risk.
i guess i'll assume coop said "shoulder" in the radio interview, which i didn't hear.
the headline of the article says “shoulder” but they don’t quote cooper saying it.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
the whole discussion was about strasburg going on the DL for shoulder inflammation.
considering just about everyone said strasburg was going to have arm problems, i think we need someone actually predicting the specific injury before sucking anyone’s dick.
I didn't hear everyone saying that...but I wasn't really reading too much up on the kid
it sucks for the Nats though. This was their golden ticket…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
An example:
All of which is to say that Stephen Strasburg fights the odds. But he was fighting the odds anyway, long before this latest injury. Pitchers get hurt in a thousand different ways. And it isn’t the ability to endure pain that gets them through even if a lughead like Rob Dibble* thinks Strasburg should just "suck it up" and "stop crying." No, it’s preparation, and it’s luck, and it’s taking care of yourself, and it’s luck, and it’s maintaining form, and it’s luck, and in many cases it’s surgery. The arm isn’t built to throw a baseball as hard as Strasburg throws it. The arm isn’t built to make a baseball do the things Strasburg can make it do.
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/08/24/the-pain-of-pitching/#more-3834
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
man, it's too bad the nats didn't trade for more pitching at the deadline.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 27, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just like don cooper, that's all.
i don’t want to be intimate with him.
(also, what BSS said above. cooper got a lot of pub for saying that)
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
you should pick up a coop jersey
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
with mustard and Early Times stains on the front
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
the one i bought does have the early times stains on the front
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Still dreaming about last night's thread, aren't you?
"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM
hee
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Short and sweet
Looks like he was predicting a brief career, certainly for the HoF version.
by EddyStanky'sGhost on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Most people saying he'll come back, some even "good as new"
but will he / can he pitch the same way / same level? I’d think using the same mechanics would lead to the same injury
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
sure he can
plenty of pitchers have come back, esp at his age.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
And many don't. See the linked Pos piece.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
i gotta say
citing examples from 50 years ago may not be the best use of evidence. i hear medicine has improved slightly since then.
Nah. Just more expensive.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
and if we're talking injuries to pitchers
the distinction needs to be made between shoulder and elbow. one is really not good. one is just not so good.
well we can't prescribe chesterfields anymore
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
especially to a camel.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
and scene!
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
you're right
Nine pitchers who underwent Tommy John surgery were selected for the 2010 All-Star Game: Chris Carpenter, Tim Hudson, Josh Johnson, Arthur Rhodes, Brian Wilson, Joakim Soria, Hong-Chih Kuo, Rafael Soriano and Billy Wagner. Potential National League rookie of the Jamie Garcia also had the operation.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
i had tommy john surgery just this morning and i'm fine
bunch of pussies, this is why america something something obama
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by billyok on Aug 27, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
at least hell be ready when bryce harper gets called up
Thome Walks-Off Sox, Twists Knife, Continues To Make Sox Brass Look REALLY Stupid - White Sox Season Recap
by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
karma's a bitch
FtNGM
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
by Illini0509 on Aug 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know it is bad karma to have Schadenfreude over this,
but I have to rec this post.
"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM
well im glad they pulled off the w last night
but why couldnt this have happened on wed too? seriously, when were relying on the other team to lose, dont we kinda have to win too? fuckshitbitch this is more aggravating then fun
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 27, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions
I imagine it's better than being a Tigers fan right now, or Cubs fan.
At least the games still kind of matter.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
oh mos def it is
its just frustrating cause we werent even supposed to really be this close…i predicted that the sox would either do really well and have a strangle hold on it, or be a very distant second.
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 27, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Rosenthal - Leave it to Ned
To expand upon what I wrote, Manny decision rests w #Dodgers. #WhiteSox ready to act. Source says Manny NOT asking for extension (more) #MLB
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Maybe McCourt steps in soon as he's about to get taken to the cleaners
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
one last hurdle reached?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
john boy
should i order a pair of these for you?
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
ergh, fial
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
we'll know soon
Waiting for the news on Manny Ramirez? Jon Heyman of SI.com says we’ll know by 12:30 CDT today if anyone claimed the slugger.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
With until Tuesday to get something done or not, right?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Is the feeling that this could get done quickly, well before Tuesday...
if it gets done at all?
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Damn them for thinking they have a wild card chance.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
"Lets Go Rockies.....Lets Go Rockies..... Lets Go Rockies..."
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Watch Pods bat like .750 these next few days and hit a walk off.
Talk about biting us in the ass.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
And San Fran...and Philly...and St. Louis....
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Ok.
This means I am going to stop thinking about it.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Then you'll want to avoid the RR too.
(Right rail.)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Or any telecommunications whatsoever.
I got like 10 texts this morning from Cub fans and Sox fans saying, “We getting Manny?”, “Is Manny starting tonight?”, “You guys getting Manny?”, “Manny, steroids, Sox, white trash”…You must understand, I represent a contingency of folks here at SSS, the information filters like a two story amoeba.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Your Cubs fan friends have a point there.
As we know, the Cubs would never employ a steroid-using slugger from the Dominican.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
As you know that is water under-the-bridge for Cub "fans"
Subconsciously they are jealous.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
I try not to stoop to their levels
there is no need in reminding them of their infinite despondence
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
he gets six games against Boston - that's why he's up for it
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
Anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgUyzKwrTcU
It’s funny looking at the lineup and it makes you wonder how fans would handle a similar move nowadays with someone going from one sport to another with how much we get sick of Favre’s antics and LeBron’s ego.
Thank god Phredds is pitching against Burnett,
They’ve both been pretty bad lately.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions
2.0
Too early for frets…what are you gonna do at 4pm?
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Haha, no I think we can win this one,
I’m just predicting a very high scoring game. Burnett has sucked worse than PG, and as a homer I have more faith in Garcia to turn it around. I’m also thinkin about the game cuz I’m going, so that helps.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent. Wish I were going.
Bachelor Party tonight, Wedding Tomorrow, Rehearsal Dinner for a Wedding next week on Sunday. I probably won’t get to see much of this series, let alone get to pay homage to my boyhood idol Frank Thomas tonight……..
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
Also he's been solid against the Yankees, surprisingly.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
hate to keep "plugging" for this on here
but we need one more person to join the SSS fantasy football league or rhubarb has to get kicked out :(
Yahoo League ID: 117259
Password: whitesox
draft is tomorrow
"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-
No Shit!
As of 5 seconds ago, still no one has obliged.
When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic
if you get kicked out
you can draft for me. I am probably going to a funeral during draft time.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Aug 27, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sunday!
Gavin Floyd vs. Ivan Nova
We all know he killed Apollo Creed.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
One of Trump's wives?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
hee...
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
carl please do these again!
Thome Walks-Off Sox, Twists Knife, Continues To Make Sox Brass Look REALLY Stupid - White Sox Season Recap
by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
From the You Gotta Be Shitting Me Department:
Pujols, La Russa to appear at Glenn Beck rally
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports: St. Louis Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols and manager Tony La Russa will appear at a rally in Washington D.C., organized by Fox News personality Glenn Beck.
Saturday’s rally, which will feature former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, is expected to attract more than 20,000 people to The Mall in Washington D.C., on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech.
Beck has promoted the “Restoring Honor” rally as an apolitical celebration of the First Amendment and the Special Operations Warrior Foundation.
“I made it clear when we were approached: I said, ‘If it’s political, I wouldn’t even approach Albert with it.’ I don’t want to be there if it’s political,” La Russa said.
Get the full story: stltoday.com
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
hahahaha, "if" it's political
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 27, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He's only bringing Pujols to up the number of non-white folks there.
"Oneyipus Complex" by 3E8 on Aug 26, 2010 7:56 PM CDT
by South Side Expat on Aug 27, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yawn
Thome Walks-Off Sox, Twists Knife, Continues To Make Sox Brass Look REALLY Stupid - White Sox Season Recap
by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it's not political, they're just going to tear Pujols apart limb by limb and eat his flesh.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It begins
Morosi:
Manny Ramirez has been claimed on waivers, source says. Not sure yet on team. #Dodgers #MLB #TRADES #WhiteSox
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Don't let Rhubarb see that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
IT BEGINS!
"Oneyipus Complex" by 3E8 on Aug 26, 2010 7:56 PM CDT
by South Side Expat on Aug 27, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmmm
White Sox to honor all four major sports trophies
August 27, 2010 12:03 PM | 1 Comment Staff report
The White Sox on Friday night will host all four major sports trophies in a celebration honoring Chicago as the only city to win championships in those sports over the past 25 years.
Richard Dent will represent the 1985 Bears, Scottie Pippen the Bulls, Mark Buehrle the White Sox and coach Joel Quenneville the Stanley Cup champion Blackhawks.
As for the Cubs? Well, this covers the last 25 years, not 102.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
I'm pleased to rec this piece of information.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
heyman
SI_JonHeyman word is, multiple teams actually claimed manny. the question is: who got claim?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Well that can't bode too well for the White Sox.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
if its the Rays and Rangers like it has been rumored, that's okay.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It could also be the four NL teams ahead of them in the WC race
In which case- game over
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
yeah doubt we get him
on with kotsay at the helm
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
especially if this is accurate
Ken_Rosenthal #Dodgers 5 back in WC race; might have prompted claim, or claims. Teams daring Ned Colletti to give up Manny while in race. #WhiteSox #MLB
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
none of this is sounding promising...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
meh, whatever
i mean, manny can’t hit. the sox already have a man-ram. he’s called andruw.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
many can't hit? joking?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
yes
i didn’t think that outlandish statement required a cleary.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
or clearly, for that matter.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I bet Rio de Janeiro gets Manny
This shit all over again!
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by billyok on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
We should've got a live chicken
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Aug 27, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is Michelle Obama's fault.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 27, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
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