25 for 25: White Sox
I'm actually a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but over the past few months I've been working on a roster for each franchise in the majors, composed of players over the last 25 years. The way this works is that I pick one player from each season and I have to fill out an entire roster (for AL teams, 2 catchers, 2 infielders at each position, 5 total outfielders, one designated hitter, 5 starting pitchers, 4 relievers). I can't take more than one player for each year, I have to take one player each season even in the bad years, and I can't use the same player for multiple positions or years. If a player played the majority of his games at one position, I can't use that season for another position even if he's played it before. And I used basic minimums of 60 innings or 250 PA's (prorated for strike seasons). I primarily utilized WAR from Baseball-Reference (Fangraphs numbers only go back to 2002), WARP1 from Baseball Prospectus, Win Shares, and OPS+/ERA+ to determine season value.
The interesting part with this are the decisions that have to be made, whether it is, "Dang, there are some really nice outfielder seasons to choose from, who gets left out?", or, "Does this team even have two decent catchers in a 25-year span?", or, "This guy had so many great years - which one do I choose?" Sometimes a great year gets left out, sometimes a fluke, partial season gets tabbed for the team. I actually posted a fully researched extended version for the Cardinals from 1910 to 1934. The NL versions for this era are there as well (linky, linky, linky, linky).
You're welcome to pick apart my choices and make suggestions of your own. I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.
C – Carlton Fisk (1988), Brook Fordyce (1999)
1B – Frank Thomas (1994), Paul Konerko (2005)
2B – Ray Durham (2001), Juan Uribe (2004)
3B – Craig Grebeck (1991), Robin Ventura (1995)
SS – Ozzie Guillen (1987), Jose Valentin (2000)
OF – Harold Baines (1986), Tim Raines (1992), Albert Belle (1998), Magglio Ordonez (2002), Jermaine Dye (2006)
DH – Jim Thome (2007)
SP – Jack McDowell (1993), Alex Fernandez (1996), Esteban Loaiza (2003), John Danks (2008), Mark Buehrle (2009)
RP – Bob James (1985), Donn Pall (1989), Bobby Thigpen (1990), Roberto Hernandez (1997)
Notable exceptions: Ron Karkovice (1993), Joe Crede (2006), Lance Johnson (1993), Carlos Lee (2004), Aaron Rowand (2004), Carlos Quentin (2008), Julio Franco (1994), Tom Seaver (1985), Wilson Alvarez (1993), Jon Garland (2005), Javier Vazquez (2007), Keith Foulke (2001), Bobby Jenks (2007)
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No, I live in the area and I can pick up the cash from you personally
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Couple notes
I would like to apologize for picking Brook Fordyce and Craig Grebeck (especially at the expense of Ventura’s excellent ’91 campaign). The catchers on the list after Fisk (Karkovice ’92 & ’93, Johnson ’00, Pierzynski ’05) got negated by better seasons at other positions and all that was really left was Fordyce and not much else.
As for third base, basically the same deal – once you get past Crede in ’06, Grebeck is the next one on the list after Ventura. Of course once you do that, I end up sticking Ventura with his probably 7th best season. It might be worth it just to find some throwaway year at 3rd and get the good stuff from Robin in ’91.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I don't know as much as other sox fans on this site, because I haven't been a sox fan since the day I was born
and only sabre-minded for the past couple of years, but I think Matt Thornton should at least get honorable mention in one of the past couple of years as a RP. I would probably pick 2009.
what happens to SSS during the offseason?
So should
this year’s Konerko, by any measurement.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 30, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He gets us thinking he's a nice guy, and before you know it
we’re rooting for the Cardinals. Happens every time.
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that too
C’mon, we’re the best fans in baseball. Don’t you wanna be … the best?
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
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and when it comes to baseball-we have two favorite clubs
The Go-Go White Sox… and whoever plays the Cubs!
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 31, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
OCD
I’m only slightly joking. I got started doing this out of curiosity about the Cardinals, going back through the last 4 quarter-centuries. Then I did the Cubs ‘85-’09 and ‘10-’34 teams for a couple friends of mine. Then I started messing around with the rest of the NL Central. And I figured, since I run this far, maybe I’d just run across the great state of Alabama, uh, I mean, I went ahead and did the entire major leagues.
It was just something I did for the hell of it, to kill some time, starting in December, when I was out of work. It’s been interesting to refresh my memory, or learn for the first time, about all the teams and the players going back to 1985. The 4 eras that I did for the Cardinals (I’ve only published the fully researched version for the ‘10-’34 team) taught me a lot about the history of the franchise and the players. It’s not really something that I would start doing during the season, but this is carried over from last offseason and I wanted to get it done before the season ended.
It is definitely obsessive, but it’s been fun and educational, too (a sense of baseball history, not an Afternoon Special, didn’t-we-learn-something-today sort of way).
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I thought it was fun ...
Man, i’ve spent the last 15 years trying to forget how ugly Ron Karkovice was. No need to bring him up.
by Billy Charlesbois on Aug 30, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 30, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
this is cool kind of
i think carlos lee should be in there somewhere….but whatever
Kenwo4life=ratings
Solanus:
Either sunny ass (sol = solar) or a Jewish ass. Which one?
"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM
It's a legitimate name/word
The word solanus means solitary in Late Latin and the word sullen is derived from it.
There are two Solanus’ of note in religious history (a 17th Century South American missionary & a 20th Century priest up for sainthood) , although this has nothing to do with my choosing it.
Yeah I know that it looks like the Sun’s butthole, but it’s legitimate.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Youdaman.
"Inferstructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Rhubarb, Aug. 19, 2010 5:59 PM
by winningugly on Aug 31, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
anal!
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