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"Just the facts ma'am" (A July White Sox Review)

Okay so Joe Friday really didn't say that. Its still a cool catch phrase and serves its duty for the abbreviated intro. Want continued drama for a sports team? Insert your 2010 Chicago White Sox. Maybe they should do a show or something? Anyhow due to the combination of kids and work I'll skip my normal attempt at humor (polite golf clap) and just give you a quick reference for some of the advanced numbers.

Star-divide

The Sox came into July eager to build upon the turnaround success of June. They had gone from 9 games under .500 to 3 games over and cut the division lead from 9 1/2 to 1 1/2. Fans were happy to be "back" into it but most experts and wanna be experts legitimately asked was this just a function of weaker NL opponents?  I mean after winning 15 of 17 the team was still in 3rd and -6 run differential. Let's just say this is not the kind of stuff that makes Keith Law jock you. Nevertheless the Sox were coming home after a series with Texas and then a critical bell weather homestand vs additional AL teams LA and Kansas City. What would our boys do in this 10 game stretch leading into the All Star Break? How about 9-1?  Okay.... It wasn't all good news. There was this little incident in which this pitcher broke his back (or something close to that.). Peavy's injury on July 6th was about as depressing as it can get (ask Hawk.) Better yet let's not. June was primarily built on spectacular pitching. Without one of the main cogs what would they do? The immediate response was great as his teammates continued the streak for another 5 and found themselves in 1st place at all star break. Who in the hell thought that a month ago?

 

RS 475

RA 425

58-45

2009 (53-51 473 RS/468 RA)

Again as the team entered the month its position was eerily similar to 09. Fortunately that's pretty much where the comparison ends. That team hovered around .500 hanging in contention because frankly the AL Central was terrible. This team set aside a potentially devastating Peavy injury to end the month 13 games over .500 with a 50+ run differential. Post Peavy record 14-6.  By the end of July they had won 34 out the last 45 playing .750 baseball during that stretch. It's safe to assume you can throw the tallest midget jokes out the window. Alas there wasn't much ground gained on the Twins. They ended the month on an eight game win streak to remain a 1/2 game back. Coin flip anyone?

 

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Offensive

YTD

.262/328/.420  wOBA .329/ 14 wRAA (8th in AL)

July

.300/.347/.477 wOBA .359 28 wRAA (2nd in AL)

Once again overall improvement in every category. The offense has truly moved up to an average AL offense and actually had a great month. June's wins were all about the pitching but July had its share of games the offense took on a load. 16 times the offense scored more 5 or more runs. Pair that with an above staff and you have yourself a winning combination.

 

1B- Konerko  .297/.373/.569 Model of consistency this year


2B- Beckham .245/.299/.356 Apparently reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. This is what happens when you put up a first half worthy of Mark Kotsay. Becks OPS was .950 in July. He still didn't walk much and of course was aided by a .400 BABIP but let's face it he was due for a regression. His continued hot streak is critical to Sox success, especially since they did not acquire a bat. (yet?)


SS- Alexei .289/.320/.433 New year same story. Its hot this summer and so is Alexei. .941 OPS for July. Of course paired will the defense equals mucho valuable.

3B- Omar .285/.351/.346 I give up. I don't know what the hell is going on and honestly I don't care. Omar's OBP in July was .433. Uh damn. JJ has a take on it.


LF- Pierre .264/.336/.296 Continued slight improvement. Still doesn't have any power but in all fairness does get on base at an acceptable rate lately. He too had a great OBP in July .386. That means that all the players who batted 1st and 2nd in the month of July were on base over 38% of the time. Allow yourself to dream what that would be like for a whole season.... okay wake up. We are the White not Red Sox.


CF- Rios. .300/.349/.488 Rios had a down month (it's allowed). Still a very good year.


RF- Q! .237/.337/.493 This is all you need to know about Q. He's a china doll who makes you hold your breath on nearly every pitch or running catch. He also put up a OPS 1.021 in July with a BABIP of .196! If anything the Sox have to keep him healthy at all costs because off days seem to interrupt his rhythm. So yes as frustrating as he is I don't want the Sox to trade or lose him because I know one full healthy season from him would be epic.


C- AJ .237/.274/.353 Maybe its time to admit that his biggest asset (no not calling pitches- it's health) is also now hindering him. Had his second sub .600 OPS month this year. Unlike other years backup catcher for the Sox is a strength. For the love of God Ozzie, use it.


DH/1B- Kotsay ..217/.300/.345 Too much has been written on Mr. Mark Kotsay but at this point is rather obvious. Whether from a return of Teabag (who's better) or a future waiver trade (who certainly will be better) its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. .504 OPS in a month where seemingly everybody was on base in front, in back and on top of him. Sorry Hawk he was "not" crushing every ball at somebody. Burn "all" his bats or at least ship the rest out of town.

Bench
Jones- .204/.313/.448, Dayan .318/.318/.500 Littlebridge .387/.406.742

Castro- .328/400/.603- Weird huh. One of things we initially liked about this team was bench. And then we didn't like it because the bench became the starters. The players have shifted but make no mistake its actually a strong under-card and versatile. Sunday lineups are not a cover your eyes moment.

 

In the words of Hawk, "DONT STOP NOW BOYS!" By the way I detest that one.

 

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Pitching

YTD

3.90 ERA (5th in AL), 3.68 FIP (1st), 4.11 xFIP (2nd)

k/9 7.14 (down to 5th)

bb/9 3.03(4th)

hr/9 0.74 (1st)

July

2.94 ERA (1st), 3.36 FIP (1st), 4.21 xFIP (4th)

Somehow even minus Peavy the staff managed to post a ERA half a half run lower than the previous month. Why? Because this staff is allergic to home runs. Really. They gave up 11 in July. 11! That's a team HR rate of .43. Ummm half the games are like in the Cell?

 

Starting Staff

              ERA      FIP      K/9    BB/9
Danks     3.40     3.33     6.99    2.95
Floyd     3.54     3.08     7.34    2.62
Buehrle   4.15     3.97    4.08    2.04
Garcia    4.73     4.52     5.38    2.69


 


Danks- Continued strong year numbers. Cut walks a bit. Gave up 1 HR in July.

Floyd- No longer any doubt. The best pitcher on the Sox staff. Oddly he wears the title of little run support this year but he gave up zero hrs in July. Floyd's pace is close to a 6 WAR season.

Buehrle- Mark struck out less than 3 batters per 9 this month. Ugh. I guess if it was anyone but him I'd be worried to death but it bears watching, especially considering recent years 2nd half struggles.

Garcia- Seemed to get hit harder as the month wore on but total and monthly numbers suggest he is pretty much the same as the whole year minus a hot streak. He has come back from bad outings a few times this year.

Peavy- Wish you well and hurry back. The team owes you too much money.

Hudson- Traded and I personally will miss you. I'm not a fan of the trade but hope I'm wrong.

Jim covers the bases for the Jackson return. 

Starting pitching was very good again this month and the team even managed to win 3 of the 4 missed Peavy starts.

The Big Three

                   ERA    FIP      K/9     BB/9     LOB%
Jenks        4.70    2.49    11.50   3.76    64.6%
Thornton   2.43   1.88    11.95   2.88    79.0%
Putz           1.83    2.02    10.30   1.60     82.2%

Jenks- Blew 2 saves that especially stand out because teams that win 75% of their games for an extended time frame tend to notice these things. Angry Bobby is back again? Good. He just needs to cut the walks and don't look now but he avgs almost as many ks as Easy Heat.

Thornton- Returned to his awesome self.

Putz-  Gasp he gave up a run!

The Rest

Santos- ERA 1.62/FIP 2.75 (good to see him around because you know teams asked about him.)

Pena- ERA 4.80 /FIP 4.95

Linebrink- ERA 4.50/FIP 5.02 (somewhere in my house is a hundred dollar bill) I can't find it so its useless, but really its not because $100 is a lot of money and nothing to sneeze at. I don' t think about it but it does bother me. So what is a lost $5 million like?

Threets- ERA 0.00/FIP 2.68 Did his job but keeping a seat warm for Sale.

 

 

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Defense

All these numbers are subject to classic SSS and wild swings blah blah blah....

Defensive Efficiency is now .683 (9th in the AL). Again you can't tell anything from UZR for a predictive nature but there is value in knowing the results.

Team UZR is -16.4 (11th)

Team UZR/150 -4.4 (11th)

Alexei reached the 10.0 total for UZR and currently ranks as the best defensive shortstop in baseball. Pierre continues a very good defensive year (7.1)  Rios took a dip (.7) which doesn't surprise me. Omar lacks his former range but pretty much fields everything. With Alexei's range to his right that's honestly all the White Sox really needs. Same goes for Konerko. His (-6.7) is still a result of lack of range. He still fields the position well and can scoop with the best of them.

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Team Base Running

Per BP the team’s Equivalent Base Running  Runs (EqBrr)

Results

The White Sox rank 11th in baseball with a total score of -2.0

Don't be fooled. The increase is solely the result of Pierre. He has the best score (5.8) followed by Quentin (.9). The genius AJ remains last (-3.2).

98 stolen bases out of 145 attempts for a 67.5 % conversion rate.

Larry already linked to this.

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At the end of last month we eagerly wanted to see the team's performance back in the junior league. There was a sense that they needed to pass the "next" test. Well they passed with flying colors. Detroit seems to have fallen by the wayside setting up a battle with the Twins. Who else would it be? Both teams are on pace for about 91 wins and the remaining schedules are similar in terms of strength. What will be the difference? Morneau return? Waiver Trade? Teabag? Jackson turnaround? Capps to the bullpen? 3 more home games directly vs Twins? Admit it. This is fun.

Last thing. Both teams are fast on the heels of Texas, which would negate a Yankee matchup and as Boston gets healthier the once impossible wild card berth is at least now a real number 2-3%. "hur ray beer." 

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Nice, thank you.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

So where is the fire?

There’s a hard-fought game being played. At least front-page after we’ve won.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 2:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hard-fought? 600 some comments later, why wait indeed?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whosh.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Grand, Tdogg! Thank you.

I can’t believe Putz gave up a run this month. What a JOKE!
:)

by homesickalien on Aug 3, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Good write-up. No Tampa as WC? You think they are beating the Spanks?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 2:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

poorly worded

I meant a healthy Boston takes their share of dings out of NY and Tampa possible bringing the wc back in play. I expect Tampa to win it.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, good stuff. this IS fun.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Aug 3, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

nice summary

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Pierre has no power?

He jacked one in Comerica today!

(Possibly the single funniest moment in a blowout.)

by asinwreck on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

i laughed

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Aug 3, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought my computer was broke

when it said Pierre homerun.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The dugout reaction was funny

Every congratulating team mate had a wide smile of disbelief.

by oahu420 on Aug 3, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why doesn't Al front page this stuff at SBNCHI?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

because al is a fucking dip shit drug addict?

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice writeup. thanks

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 3, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

it is REALLY starting to get on my nerves,

it is to the point where I just get pissed off when I hear that forsaken phrase

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it is catching on... so we will be hearing it for a good long while.

Please Stop Now, Hawk!

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 3, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

*Bertucci...get it right!

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Aug 3, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

"rotten"

Interesting choice of words when discussing the deceased…

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Aug 4, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is especially irritating

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive come around

I love it.

i rather hear that than hang whoofem.

its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg

by e-gus on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better than "chopper 2-hopper" as well.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with chopper two-hopper

It’s an accurate description.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 3, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

bolingbrook bounce and matt abbattacola however seem inaccurate.

(i luuuuuuuuuv choppertwohopper)

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 3, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never understood that attabattacola stuff

All I know is that he says it on a broken bat

by oahu420 on Aug 3, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

hawk heard matt abbatacola's name (works for the wscr?)

thought it was a good name and said he would find a way to say it often.

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Aug 3, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

bolingbrook bounce = bolingbrook golf club bounces

although, not sure how many good bounces i’ve ever had at the golf club. especially when you pull the ball into the crab grass.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

its much better than hang woofem

i like it

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you've gotta admit...

Since he’s been using it so frequently the boys haven’t stopped.

"Here's something: That if you want your father to think you're not a silly f*ck, don't slap a guy across the face with a glove. Because if you do that, that's what he will think. Unless you're a noble man or something in the nineteenth century. Which I am not." - Dave Spritz in The Weather Man

by Servant2LordBeckham on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Hawk gone, I will miss him

for now i have to continue my hate relationship with him. His homerism is stiffling at times. His mood shouldn’t permeate into the televised presentation. I’m sure he was giddy as hell earlier today but when things are amiss and he is in his dark goth mood… it is unbearable, it makes everything exponentially worse than it really is.

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you just want less emotion in general?

because if they start being positive all the time it’s gonna be like listening to the fucking cubs.
i don’t mind that hawk gets pissed off when they’re playing like shit. i do too.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is fine to get emotional at the right time

but often he gets carried away over balls and strikes or anything equally as inconsequential. He very rarely sees both sides to an argument and whines like a bitch. That is why it is a godsend to have Steve Stone in the booth. Hawk is far more tolerable when he can’t run amock, like when he was with DJ and Wimpy.

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

when ur gettin squeezed ur gettin squeezed

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

earlier this season it felt that way.

but i see your point, i think the umpires may get wind of this shit and start piling on.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's how I feel.

It makes it fun.. it’s not like I don’t know some of the things he says are ridiculous, I can still enjoy it.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 3, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

DSNB is annoying, yes. The umpire stuff is annoying too.

But you are not a red-blooded Sox fan if you don’t absolutely adore Hawk in some of those exciting White Sox moments. There is nobody else on this planet that I would rather have heard call Mark Buehrle’s perfecto or Thome’s 500th.

Hawk’s love for the Sox reflects my love for the Sox, and his presence on the broadcast enhances my fan experience immeasurably.

Don’t stop now, Hawk.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can call this a reply fuck, but you get the point.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good work, RWS.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 4:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

His joy is unsurpassed when things like MB's perfect game occurs but I can't say his calls are legendary

I get bent out of shape when he bitches about things that he is clearly wrong about, just because he wants his perspective on the given play to be correct. Then his bad mood continues until something good happens. He is like a child.

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah well, he's our child damnit.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's everyone's granddad

except Chi, bally, you, and me on this site, OPOS. Fuckers on this site don’t like any generation other than their own. (Can’t say I blame them. We are bitter and intolerant. Just like their parents.)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 4:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fuck him.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 5:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Truly, I am not one who dislikes Hawk, nor have I ever complained about anything he's ever said. I find him quite lovable overall.

It’s just the sad way that he says DSNB that gets to me, like he’s forcing it…especially when there is seriously one guy on first base – it’s not even a rally yet, even if it does still technically apply!

I don’t mind his catch-phrases and I certainly don’t mind the occasions that certain phrases of his are used (yes, I too enjoy Sox offensive rallies). This one is just particularly annoying and overused, that’s all.

by homesickalien on Aug 3, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

to me one of the problems with dsnb

is that he started using it earlier this year when the sox were godawful, so every time he said it it sounded pathetic because we all knew it was going to stop. (not only did we know it would stop, we knew it hadn’t even started)

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 3, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This DSNB is a new incarnation is it not?

Why hadn’t we heard this before? Does he work on his repertoire in the off-season?

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was as pretty as hazel mae

my new favorite hawkism.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe it's

“that was prettier than hazel mae”

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes!!!

(to your post). Hawk is the AJ of announcers — you love him if he’s on your team.

by palehose67 on Aug 3, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the truth.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love to look up "white sox" on twitter when the team is kicking ass on WGN

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 3, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

this.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 3, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

my love just increased now!

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

DON'T STOP NOW BOYS!

Is fucking awesome, that phrase carried my softball team through the championship!

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: "hur ray beer."

did anyone else see that remix of ‘relax’ produced by one of bob marleys kids?
its like a 5 minute long commercial with the red stripe ambassador as the only member of the band.
its weird.

its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg

by e-gus on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

found it

guess its only 2 minutes.
still crazy they bought enough ad space to show the whole thing (during Louie I think)

its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg

by e-gus on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually thats not the whole thing,

i think it was 3 minutes because it was an entire commercial break

its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg

by e-gus on Aug 3, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Editors

I don’t know what’s going on with the extra token links to July offense.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Touched on this last month about pitcher abuse points

The results are now even better for the “old” current staff.
Danks doesn’t appear on the list until 49th, Floyd 88th, Buerhle 85th

Jackson enters as the number 1 abused pitcher in baseball.

As Jim pointed out hopefully a coaching staff with some sense can better manage his workload improving his success.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Has PAP proven to show any foresight with regards to future injuries?

my reading on PAP is admittedly limited, but I thought it was one of those fun to look at, but not all that useful statistics.

by CWSKeith on Aug 3, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they did a piece sometime

back on the number of infractions being more important. I mean having 149 game outings is just never good. There is correlation. Stress is probably the more important number instead of just the “points”.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Rany endorsed PAP3

From wiki:

^[citation needed] A statistic labeled PAP (Pitcher Abuse Points) developed by Rany Jazayerli of Baseball Prospectus in 1998 set such an absolute cut-point of 100 pitches, below which there was no pitcher abuse (overuse) but above which one abuse point was added for each 10 additional pitches. Later, however, Jazayerli conceded PAP to a more sensitive measure, called PAP3 developed by Keith Woolner and first published in the Baseball Prospectus 2001 annual volume. In an article in that same volume, Jazayerli declared: “PAP is dead. Long live PAP3.” PAP3 was more highly predictive of declines in pitcher endurance and the risk of breakdowns than the original PAP measure. PAP3 still takes 100 pitches as a reference point but penalizes use above that point as a cubic function of the number of pitches above that level.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 5:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

yuck,

swap Kotsay for Dayan and Jones for Lilli and itd be my dream lineup

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

just noticed that,

nvm

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

no excuse for kotsay to be hitting 5th or 6th in this line-up

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Oz moved him down in the order!

Spacing those lefties out. I can just see him struggling to put this idea to paper. I am also in favor of Q sitting.

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would be in favor of him letting him rest

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i want me some tank

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

43 year old men should not play both games of a DH.

Rest Omar, let the kid play.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 3:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

who gives a shit about omar in the doubleheader?

kotsay!

do you see that? kotsssssssssssay.

god damn it. stop with the ageism and start with some suckism.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He just answered you in the post to which you replied:

The nipper ate and is now sleeping.
Pay attention.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If only it were that easy.

She’ll be three weeks old Thursday and she can almost tell the difference between a cutter and a two-seamer. I’m so proud.

In all seriousness, she’s beautiful and I’m even more proud of her mother. She’s an inspiration to our entire organization.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

with today, the sox gotta be over .280 BABIP. i couldn't be more happy to see that come back.

.314 in july. can they keep it going?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

should link some of the post back in the day of how they would never get to an acceptable level. Oh regression and sample size.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

still a lot of work to do on that, but...

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

outstanding.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 3, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh
OzzieOzzieOzzie: boots is a porch monkey

by homesickalien on Aug 3, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

just gold everywhere
OzzieOzzieOzzie: why is it that the pacific islander/others from Avatar the Last Airbender get a translator, but you’ve got to say the same thing in English AND in Spanish
KnockinOnHeavensDora: can you point to someone who wants to keep their job??
OzzieOzzieOzzie: /points to Dora
KnockinOnHeavensDora: Veerrrry good!

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 3, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is fantastic if you've ever had to watch Dora.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kotsays wife sure has gone downhill...

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 3, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

the more wives you have

the less people think you are gay.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

you've had*

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

works both ways

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know, that was on purpose.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i knew that

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

GMTA

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daughters definitely test the testosterone tank.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 5:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So you also must, for nostalgia,

look up the most recent WordUpThome.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYPJ4Yc31g

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

can't see it at work.

Later.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun fact:

Today’s White Sox afternoon winner was the 8,600th victory in franchise history.

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 3, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome watching Pierre round the bases and looking back into the OF

when rounding 2B to make sure it was for real

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 3, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The White Sox through history

60-45 today

60-48 in 2008

63-43 in 2006

69-37 in 2005

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 3, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

that '05 team was on fire

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 3, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Literally.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

that 06 was really good too

that was an unlucky season

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Aug 3, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That slow start out of the gate after the All-Star break hurt big-time

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 3, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

They won 90 games.

The division was very strong that year.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 3, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

bunch of chokers that year.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would have been 104 if that spineless fuck Thome wasn't on the team.

/Tripled.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

#1 CHOKER that year

hit all of his home runs in the first inning of games with no one on base.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 out of 42 ain't bad

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 3, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually think he was being facetious that time

you never know though

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i forgot, you became a sox fan AFTER they won the world series

so you don’t remember Frank Thomas or Carlos Lee.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carlos Lee was AWESOME for the Sox that year!

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 4, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

guess he got off the juice before he came to the sox.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't ever change.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still think

if buehrle puts up his career average we win that year. and some bullpen guys suck less

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Aug 3, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm calling it right now

The White Sox pick up Manny off of waivers.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 3, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

certainly won't be Dunn.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too many NL teams who would take him.

Manny….hmm. Could he get past the NL?

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 3, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

I don’t think that the Braves, Phillies, Marlins, Cardinals, Reds, Rockies, or Giants would want him, so yes.

In the AL, no to the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays (probably), Twins, and Rangers.

by joewho112 on Aug 3, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

giants might

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not just pick up Dunn (regarding Giants)

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

won't make it to them

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

and with me being right, that makes you wrong, joe.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have some inside info?

But but but but…who goes down then not not not Lillibridge!!?!?!?

by Rhubarb on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want nothing to do with Sideshow Manny.

I would take a healthy Edmonds.

And why all the consternation over who to send down? Andruw, your cab awaits. Thanks for playing.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 4:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Nice try PPB

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humor is not your strong suit.

Jones has been horseshit.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 5:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

...which isn't to decisively say he's been better

but you don’t seem to have much perspective for bench players (see Jayson Nix). He’s a 4th OFer (or should be) who has been average with the bat and average in the field. He’s making what, 500K, maybe a bit more if he’s hit some incentives. What’s to complain about?

by CWSKeith on Aug 3, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

wu hates what he hates. don't ask him to explain it.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's taking up a roster spot.

His value has been realized. And please don’t use Nix as an example of a good bench player.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

nix love all gone?

or were you a getz? i cant remember

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will be very conflicted if this happens.

I despise Manny, but I quite enjoyed winning a championship, and I recognize that he would help that cause.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

tigers "lineup"

  Jackson 8, Rhymes 4, Damon dh, Cabrera 3, Boesch 9, Peralta 5, Raburn 7, Avila 2, Santiago 6

i’m calling avila and santiago douchenozzles. boesch is a butcher and damon is a dumbass.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 3, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Your unnecessary quotation marks annoy me

And I didn’t know Busta Rhymes played for the Tigers.

by joewho112 on Aug 3, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goddammit, beat me to it.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Busta.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 3, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems he wouldn't be insulting their line up as not legitimate

Unless he used the quotation marks. And there’s no point in posting about a team from Detroit unless you are insulting them, so I’m pretty sure it was necessary.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 3, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct.

though his “your unnecessary quotation marks annoy me” strikes me as maybe some kind of shtick i haven’t heard of.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are a week + late.

Used it in person at the no-no. And he is as small as Grebeck. He’s fast and seems to have TUE, AUG 3, 2010 gap power. Think Bridge.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i saw him hit a triple in spring training 09

i’ve never seen anyone go from home to 3b as fast.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 3, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mc Cutcheon.

Same scenario.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 5:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

carlos santana

well, when i first saw it i thought hyper extension was possible, but when i saw it again it looked much worse.

Tests show high grade strain of LCL and hyperextension of left knee. Surgery still a possibility.

http://twitter.com/hoynsie/status/20251413456

santana (and hafner) put on DL.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 3, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

sbnation is sponored by FREAKS!

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

i would be willing to bet the guys probably go to this site and laugh at us.

especially when we make fun of people like kotsay and linebrink, i would if i was a pro athlete.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

We say what they wish they could say

You don’t think Danks wants to yell across the locker room to Linebrink
“Dude you suck!”

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 3, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Bad Dog" Johnny Danks

doesn’t have to live vicariously through blogs, he will do the damage himself!

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

remind me to never go bungee jumping

12 year old paralyzed because the safety people forgot to put the net 40 ft. over the ground.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

my god thats horrible

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

the scariest part of riding a roller coaster

is not knowing if the safety people know what their doing, oh yeah and those wooden coasters at six flags i won’t touch.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

just now reading this, great stuff Tdogg

I will just say one thing to add: it’s best to regress BABIP to a player’s mean, not league. Q’s career BABIP is only around .230. Clearly he has extreme fly ball tendencies. And also the tendency for those fly balls to leave the park.

This is they Carlos Quentin. He’s a 240/340/500 butcher of a RF who advanced defensive metrics me damned can really help a club like the Sox with his big flies. Rare situation IMO where his RBI means more than his UZR.

by madvillian on Aug 5, 2010 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

I hear you but his career BABIP is actually just short of .250. In 08 he put up a .278 BABIP. I don’t ever expect him to excel there but the .220 stuff and sub .200 from last month is kind of ridiculous. I really think he has a year like 08 left in him and it would be fantastic to see if he ever got a 150 game season under his belt.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 5, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

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