Sox Split D-Town Double Header, Sale Expected Up Wednesday
by The Cheat on Aug 3, 2010 9:38 PM CDT
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PrintI don't have a real good feel for the Sox play as of late -- other than that which I can glean from a box score -- but I got the impression that today's double header pretty much encapsulated their play of the last week plus. Game 1 was a quick waltz led by Mark Buehrle that saw Juan Pierre, of all people, hit a home run, while Game 2 limped along for a couple innings of foot-shooting wildness by Carlos Torres before he finally remembered how to pitch. Neither game was all that interesting, though the former was a lot more fun. I'm sure Scott Linebrink enjoyed being recognized as capable of pitching in two consecutive blowouts... in the same day.
A split doesn't seem like a great outcome after this afternoon's game, but it still gives the Sox another half-game on the second-place Twins in the standings. I'll take it.
That sound about right? Did I miss anything else over the week? I see OLD is out hooking up with fellow SSSers, so I'm pretty behind on the gossip.
Had I been around, I probably would have written a couple thousands words on the Daniel Hudson deal, but since that's already been covered ad nauseum I'll just leave my two cents that I didn't see covered (though, admittedly, I haven't ventured through the comments).
- The Sox haven't drafted and developed a pitcher (with any success) since Mark Buerhle, who earned his 10/5 rights last month. That's not to say the Sox haven't been successful at developing pitchers, or drafting pitchers that can be flipped for useful parts -- but the goal should be to draft pitchers, develop them into useful players then ship them out when they start to get expensive (i.e. the guy we just traded for).
- Don't blame Mike Rizzo -- Sure, he was being a little bitch since late-June, asking the world for Dunn and expecting to get it. But he comes out of the deadline with more egg on his face than any other GM in baseball, even more than KW. The other GMs can see that he pussyfooted around, wouldn't accept a reasonable offer, and eventually screwed over another team. This will not go unnoticed. Other GMs aren't going to ignore his calls or anything, but he's fallen to the bottom of the list when they're looking to make a trade.
- Williams hasn't made a winning trade since Carlos Quentin (and really the Danks/Floyd deals) and he's made some really bad ones [Swisher (twice), Teahen, Hudson] in the interim -- There's no denying that Williams was one of the best GMs in baseball in the mid-aughts but since that ugly '07 season he hasn't done a whole lot to inspire confidence in his ability to assemble talent via the trade market.
- It was Williams job to assemble a team that could compete in the American League. It was ultimately Williams decision to let Ozzie Guillen force Jim Thome out the door. It was Williams job to acquire any one of a myriad of better DH options than Kotsay/Jones. It's his fault for putting the Sox in that position in the first place. He failed to address the obvious DH issue this offseason, paid lip-service to media (and us bloggers) about internal lists of replacements in April, and then failed to do anything to correct the problem at the deadline. Rizzo or no Rizzo, Ozzie or no Ozzie; this was William's failure from the start.
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welcome back chief
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
agreed... win.
but we’re talking about a backup catcher. trading for your teams 24th man isn’t gonna win you anythin
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pardon?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that guy's hair irritated the hell out of me
and still does to this day.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
pardon?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
by Hazymania on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dont hate on the southern boy swoop
"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-
his hair sucks too! beck is going for the ted koppel look.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly agree I haven't seen any winning trades since Carlos
but I disagree that the first Swisher trade was “bad”. Teahen and for Getz and Fields was not bad either. The extension was.
Most of what you write I agree with but reading it I have to admit I forgot this team was in first place….
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Yeah. Too many damn glass half-full types around here
Needs moar doom and gloom
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
teahen has been below replacement level.
if they hadn’t signed him to an extension, the white sox would be paying even more this year for that privilege. i’d call that bad.
Im sorry Getz - Fields?
I didn’t ask you to evaluate the player. Its the trade we are talking about. Teabag’s season is not over yet.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
you mean the white sox traded a player who has put up -0.2 WAR in 160 PA for a guy who has put up -0.2 WAR in 157 PA so they could pay the latter millions of dollars?
and i’m rather confused about how you evaluate a trade without evaluating the player.
i'm willing to give credit to anyone that completes a trade, regardless of parties involved.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Im think a healthy Teahen is worth a 1 WAR Larry
don’t really think Im really reaching on that one. The trade was evaluated quite a bit when it happened. Not many called it “bad” That’s not the same thing as calling it a great trade.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
trade, good
extension, bad.
I think just about everyone feels that way.
i guess you could say trade-meh.
but its not bad.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
three straight seasons of replacement level or below according to fWAR.
four straight using rWAR. you may be reaching a bit.
We'll see
I think he will actually fit in rather nice on this team with his return. We can do this all day. I don’t think it was a “bad” trade and I especially don’t feel it was a “really bad” trade as Cheat called it.
The extension on the other hand….
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
garbage in, garbage out. unfortunately, the sox decided to lock down the new garbage.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
the latter point is window dressing.
the trade is another example of the white sox deciding they need to pay large sums of money for players, apparently for the purpose of having players that they know will produce at the 0-1 WAR level, as opposed to using cheap players who may have more downside risk.
07 effect?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
no I didn't
maybe the mindset evolved from Anderson’s failure.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
then again it may just be
05 success put the Sox into a different income level altogether. Sometimes folks just don’t “know” how to spend money.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
You can't win if you don't not lose.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 3, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
i suppose that's part of the problem with having a weak farm system.
there’s little depth to replace cheap players from within.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I think the point is
weak farm system or not 0-1 WAR players are not difficult to find but sometimes requires a little faith.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i think rather that the weak farm system doesn't allow you to have the short leash with 0-1 WAR players
and doesn’t your comment here undercut your defense of the teahen trade?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Im not defending the trade
I agree with Larry. It was pointless and I wouldn’t have done it. I simply said it can’t be classified as a “bad” trade. There is a difference between saying I would have done “x”. He’s right the Sox have gotten into the habit of paying full market price for these types.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Excuse Larry's delusional racist rants
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i suppose it's somewhat chicken/egg
i just meant that having gotten little to no contribution from within the system,
the sox have put themselves in a position to need to find a way to fill the roster with MLB players.
how many 0-1 WAR players do the sox have in the minors right now?
as easy as it is for most teams to find replacement level players, am i wrong in thinking that the sox have as few of them as anyone in the minors?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Replacement level players by there definition are freely available
The Torres, Harrells, and Williams of the world can be signed by <$1MM.
Some scrub over-the-hill utility infielder could have been signed to do what Teahan/Kotsay do for near the league minimum.
Pierre is leading the league in SBs.
just sayin’
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
do you not watch "the club"?
the sox stats guy keeps it simple, he uses era, rbis, and batting average. i was scratching my head after that little nugget.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Im interested in the affect of 07 on Williams
He seems determined to not let it ever get “that” bad again (which Im happy about) but that fear seems to drive his increasing lack of faith in young player development or taking some of the risk/reward deals he did more often in the past.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
effect
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
if that were true
he wouldn’t mortgage the team’s present on five arms. assembling a collection of average-ish position player talent lacking in depth and betting the farm on pitching is what brought about ’07.
that and Andy Gonzalez.
Fireworks: Bang?
this
its like hes given up everything in exchange for ‘being competitive year in and year out’
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I'd add
As long as the White Sox don’t lose their mind again and play Teabag at 3rd his bat plays well in the utility role. An expensive one.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
This. All of it.
You return, Cheat, and we play .500 ball. Take a vacation.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 4, 2010 8:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll put him back on the DL if that's what it takes.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
A torch-wielding mob is after his pelvis!
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
We shoulda traded him.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 4, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If we were trading him I sure as hell hope it wasn't for Al Yellon
Because that clearly isn’t working out for them.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we were proposing a 3 way trade between Cheat, Yellon,
And some HH prospects.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen what Al has inflicted on the Cubbies? I'd rather hand the site over to Triples and KenWo.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be awesome with KenWo
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Aug 4, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we could be a formidable tag team.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Like this:
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
the bushwackers! hell yeah!
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Hell yeah. My favorite tag team back in the day.
And it fits these two knuckleheads perfectly
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 5, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Very well said
Especially about KW’s decision to keep Kotsay at the expense of Jim Thome.
Don't forget that great trade
for Matt Thorton
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
that was Spring Training '06, in exchange for Joe Borchard
(cue Hawk telling a story about Joe Borchard…)
I tell ya Stone poney
Joe could hit it a ton. I remember him hitting one to right…..
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
And to be honest- the Sox needed to get something valuable for Joe Borchard
which is to say- most “win” trades are pluses for the franchise, but when you’re dealing Joe Borchard, you’re starting from a negative…
I get the impression that Joe Borchard’s failures basically changed the White Sox draft philosophy for the better half of the decade that followed. (Ok- maybe not changed, but I feel that Borchard was our one true “swing for the fences” type of draft pick in the past 12 years, and we reverted back to a conservative, frugal draft philosophy in the years that followed)
The White Sox seemed hesitant to spend large(ish) amounts of Jerry’s money on high upside talent because of how badly they were burned by Borchard.
soxmachine wins lillibridge's twitter profile photo contest.
http://twitter.com/BSLillibridge
jim has infiltrated the clubhouse.
Invisible blog sells out.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe I read that Bridge was giving a pair of tickets to the winner.
So, there’s that.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
lightly read blogger wins lightly participated picture contest of lightly followed twitterer.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
gold
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
light hitter.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
i propose a change in that places name
to SoxTubTimeMachine.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 4, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
But you already live in 1986!
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
that's awesome
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions
rios
While not a trade, was a good acquisition. He is being paid well, but a bunch of teams would be happy to pay .800+ ops gg cf.
The frustrating thing with kw is that he’s made several moves that were immediately clearly horrendous lately. Swisher part 2, pierre, teahen extension, no thome. The sox are close to being very good but its like kw just can’t make a last move or two to make the sox a WS contender. It sisyphusian……
by hitlesswonder on Aug 3, 2010 10:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pierre
I didnt like it at first but hes been ok in my book.
the steals are there and hes been going after it in the outfield. both pluses,
the on base % is what we all knew we were getting.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
Yeah that's another one
There is a difference between not what I would have done vs flat out bad trade. Pierre likely earns his cash this year and lately has been “ok”.z
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
he has taught konerko, rios, and ! how to work out of slumps.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
My problem with Pierre is that you're aiming way too low
for the last two months, he’s played about as well as you can expect from him — good defense, getting on base at a good clip and doing well on the basepaths… and his OPS for those two months is still under .700. He’s unlikely to eclipse 1.5 WAR. What’s worse is that if he finishes with a .270/.340/.310 line, he’ll still be penciled into the 2011 lineup, as if that’s good production from a left fielder.
This is all fair and true
I think the point was just in response to it being a horrendous trade.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I'm probably wrong but
I look at the money pierre is getting, the fact that he plays lf and his offensive production and I think its a pretty bad acquisition in terms of opportunity cost. The sox gave up little in the actual trade but consigned lf and decent $ to craptastic overall offense for two years.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 3, 2010 11:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
especially since there were better options available
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
pierre sucks, I have no idea why a gm would aquire a player with his history
but jack z was supposedly the best thing since sushi came to America and he signed kotchman.
sometimes good gms make dumb decisions, at least kw has a track record of mostly success.
I don't think the Teahen trade was bad....
he didn’t give up anyone spectacular…. Teahen is better than the guys he traded. I don’t really call the Peavy trade a bad one… sure it looks a bit shaky now that he is hurt but that could happen to anyone…… and I like the Jackson trade. Hudson sucked in my opinion. I have always liked Jackson.
and Toonder- I listened to a bit of the music you sent me…. 1. I never heard of these guys…. 2. I like what I heard lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
dude I had a dream where you were my neighbor
no joke
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I think he'd make a great neighbor, so long as you're cool with Old Style empties on the lawn and 80s metal blasting late at night.…
which I am.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
How many guys are we lining up to DH ??
The Teabag extension was definitely mind-boggling considering you didnt even see the guy on your field yet. I agree the deal itself wasnt bad. However now you folks are talking about the value of his bat while keeping him on the bench. I just wanna know how many DHs are we going to have next week? I think i count 6 right now.
I count one
and he’s Q-riffic!
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Since when is our farm system "stocked with prospects"?
http://www.thesportsbank.net/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-prospects-under-the-radar-names/
Interesting what Jeff Manto says about Brandon Short:
"He’s probably got some of the fastest hands we have in the organization. He’s extremely quick. He probably has the ability to hit 15-20 homeruns at some point. He’s another guy who has made tremendous adjustments. He’s a guy who can be a leadoff-type guy. Right now he’s driving the ball. He has some speed, but he’s really putting it together this year. I don’t know if he’ll ever hit 25 or 30 or those kind of numbers, but he definitely has a little bit of power. Maybe 15 is more realistic at some point."
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
wonder where you could have read that, oh, i don't know. last week.
by larry on Aug 3, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oops my bad
i read that posting but must have accidently paged down past that section. i fail.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
no
you’re supposed to say “aw f you, like everyone has time to read every single one of your posts you pompous fuck!” and then eat some fish and chips.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
by e-gus on Aug 4, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Too early to tell on the Vasquez trade
We won’t know about the value of Flowers for a while yet, and Lillibridge, well who knows the what’s with him: didn’t even look like a minor league hitter last year and this year there are times where I think “nice swing and good thinking to take the ball where it’s pitched”.
Javier Vasquez – good year in the NL last year (we know what that means) but this year with the Yankees it’s pretty much a mirror image of 2007 with the Sox (4.6 era frustrating innings eater). And this year his home runs are up and strikeouts down.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 3, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
I think you might have been a little tough on the beaver, ward
Does it matter that we didn’t both draft and develop our pitching staff?
Last I checked it was pooty goo, who cares how they got here?
Besides, while we didn’t draft Thornton, Danks, Floyd, Santos, and Jenks, I think you could make a pretty good argument that we developed them. Except for Danks, they were all considered “damaged goods” when the Sox acquired them and they are all good major league pitchers. Well, Santos it may be too early to tell but so far so good..
uh huh
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Sale to wear what #?
This may have been discussed some where else already so I do aplogize if this question has been posted some where else, however my question is what number will our 2010 1st round draft pick wear? My prediction is #53, would love to hear everyones response! I jusst posted this under a different thread, but did not get the responses I was hoping for,so I thought I would try under this one. I know it’s not a big deal, just thought it would be fun to talk about.
6.0221415 × 10**23
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Avacado's number.
I belive it gives you the amount of atoms in an avacado.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
/Shakes head
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Only if she's 5'3"
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Anaconda's number.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 4, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
sale is the beginning of the end
of the loogy position
so he is alpha and beta
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
He wore 41 in college
and it’s available. That’s my guess.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
so THATS why we traded hudson
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
(20%)
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Tough crowd.
I thought it was pretty cute.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
What brand of shoes?
Color of glove? High Socks, low Socks? Curved brim or does he keep it straight?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Over 9000.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
See what Im saying
Our fearless leader shows his face and manages to turn our surprising 1st place team who have played great baseball into a hate fest thread on faults. You suck Cheat.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
yep buzz kill
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Colin the team is in 1st place
on pace for 91-92 wins
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I'll feel a lot better about things if Jackson looks decent in his start.
And when I see Teahen on the roster and Kotsay off it.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
if Sale is up today, doesnt that make Kotsay the obvious guy to go?
They arent calling Sale up for a day like Harrell and Torres. Teehans is ready to go, so that leaves Kotsay.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
sale is up to replace threets
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.. which means Teehans can't replace Threets.
If they are sticking with that many pitchers, it has to be a position player.
Two guys should definitely be safe: Lillibridge, can play multiple positions, has speed for late innings, and the obvious one Castro, the only back up catcher.
I think a third guy, Jones is a long shot because he can play all 3 OF positions off the bench, some power, and can take a walk, so even though he’s not hitting, he gets on base more than Kotsay has lately.
So you’re looking at Viciedo or Kotsay. I describe my opinion of that situation below.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
when is teahen expected to come up?
i’m hoping pimptank has more opportunities to make a case for himself..
given the success of the current platoon at 3b, it’s still far from reliable. who knows if visquel can maintain his OBP and viciedo can continue to mash lefties when he can’t take a walk.
that said, the platoon is clearly better than starting teahen full-time at 3b.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
and hopefully kenny grows a pair and designates kotsay for assignment
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd think soon?
He’s already started his rehab stint and is apparently hitting the ball well.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
One would think..
Can probably argue it’s Viciedo though. Teahen plays the same position, and Viciedo needs to develop more, doesn’t walk, can’t hit righties, etc.. and can come back in September. Don’t want to lose that veteran grinder presence Kotsay provides in the clubhouse, smart player, team leader, all that jazz that Ozzie loves.
I of course think that’s bullshit.. Brown Bear is mashing against lefties and he’s not goggles-bad with the glove. It’s working, Kotsay isn’t, FMK.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
This is what I'm afraid of
Viciedo getting sent down, Teahen’s cement glove at 3B and continued KotsayDH.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
"Brown Bear"
I like.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there is any way they cut Kotsay.
It is between Viciedo and Lillibridge. I would rather cut Teahen but that isn’t gunna happen….. I would rather have Viciedo- the Sox lineup vs. lefties has a lot of thunder in it. Lillibridge, although he has played well, doesn’t play often. I don’t know. I just wish teahen would dig a large hole and jump in and lose himself.
Kenwo4life=ratings
five consecutive seasons of at or below replacement level
and he still has a job. oh, to be a bearded white man who hits left-handed.
that may be so larry but you know as well as i do ozzie isn't cutting
the highly respected veteran
Kenwo4life=ratings
why not? there are other veterans on the team
not like you need # of veterans = X to win the WS. Bunch of BS if you ask me. We have PK, AJ, AJ, Omar who are all veterans with playoff experience. fucking cut kotsay already. he isn’t needed
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
As much as I hate it.. Kenwo is right
The guy is terrible. We could have cut at him any time and found a guy that puts up better numbers, we didn’t have to wait for Mark Teahen of all people to get off the DL.
Brown Bear will make his triumphant return in September. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kotsay is left off the playoff roster though if we happen to get there.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams Trades
Jackson for Hudson: no clue
Price for Richard: A clear win…:)
Pierre Trade: probably sucks
Teahen Trade: Meaningless…
Peavy Trade: Bad so far, but a good trade—injuries
Castro: Good trade
Vazquez: Remains to be seen although Lillibridge hitting Ted Williams-ish doesn’t hurt
Swisher trade: Terrible.
Griffey: Meaningless and bad.
Swisher I: Who gives a crap?
Quentin: Wow.
I don’t know, he really hasn’t done much good or bad. In the meantime, he had some great free agents signings and a lot of cheap poor signings.
so really a good distribution of hits, misses, and middle of the road deals.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Confused
What makes you say that the trade for Juan Pierre probably sucks, if I recall correctly we traded two better than average prospects named Jon Link, and John Ely. Now I no that I have seen Ely pitch a little bit this season with the Dodgers, and has not pitched bad, but not great either, which is expected for a rookie. However the Sox needed a leadoff hitter desperately and while he does not have the OBP I would like to see, but he does lead the Al in Stolen Bases and has a decent Batting Average.
ely and link are garbage, maybe you get one league average reliever out of both of them, but taking on pierre was stupid
leadoff isn’t a position, hell rios would be better getting 650+ PA if you want a guy that can run.
Juan Pierre is not good.
KW knows Ozzie is going to use him poorly (as a lead off hitter, starting every day). The fact he’s playing solid defense is the only saving grace of that move. The prospects are basically a non-issue because they aren’t good.
Paying 5 million a year for Juan Pierre is stupid, but letting Ozzie have a guy like that on the roster is even worse. KW knows who Ozzie Guillen is, it’s his job to keep Ozzie out of his own way, and he has failed at that this year.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
His salary for the Sox is 5 million next year
This year the Sox are only paying him 3 million. Pierre’s WAR this year is .9 worth about 3.6 million so far. Juan’s on pace for an OBP of .340. His baserunning has been good. Its time to move on.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
You shouldn't have to trade for a guy like Juan Pierre though.
That’s what bothers me. I mean, I know we all hate Pods here, but the talent difference isn’t much, and you can add him for less money and keep your mediocre prospects. Or pay a couple extra million and add Damon. Just a waste of limited resources.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
i'll opt out of your hate pods group.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Pierre is better than Owens.
In principal I agree its not a good habit to pay full price for these type of players but people let’s be real. Pretty much every team has at least a player like this. We don’t have to attack every deal the point is made.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
And he's better than Pods
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
price for richard?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I had to look that up myself
via mlbtrfvdhsiogfha:
MONDAY: The A’s sent infielder Michael Richard to the White Sox to complete the deal, according to the MLB.com transactions page. The 25-year-old is hitting .208/.301/.232 across two levels this year. Richard, an 11th-round pick in 2007, has a career .690 OPS in 1212 minor league plate appearances.
SATURDAY: According to the MLB.com transaction page, the Athletics have acquired minor league catcher Jared Price from the White Sox.
Price, 28, was hitting just .196/.268/.324 for Double-A Birmingham. Since 2005, he’s been up and down between Double-A and Triple-A, not hitting much at either level.
For his minor league career, he’s hit .204/.287/.369 in in 1,980 plate appearances. In addition to the White Sox, Price has seen time in the minors with the Royals and with the Dodgers, who drafted him in the seventh round back in 2000. He’s thrown out 28% of potential base stealers in his minor league career, including marks over 40% both this year and last.
worst trade in franchise history
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
wahoo!
first mention in a front page story! i am officially no longer a rookie
"Sure I steal bases. I just like to do it 4 at a time." -Konerko-
False.
Wait til the end of the year, when HSA writes a brief (ahem) SSS Year In Review. She will determine the Rookie of the Year at that time.
Of course, like any award vote, she sometimes overlooks some really good choices…
:::cough:::
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
Last year.
HSA hates me because I’m beautiful.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
Oh hell,
GIMME THE GODDAMN SOAP.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought she made a great choice for ROY
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 4, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly, this last lost proves that we could not afford to send Hudson out for a bat.
Torres was AWFUL!
Q: What starter pitches from the stretch anyways?
A: One that doesn’t believe he’s a starter.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 12:20 AM CDT reply actions
Torres would not have been the option for the 5th starter
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
what!?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is confused about Torres sucking. Fan, Scout, Coach and Bloggers alike.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Notice I didnt include Crazy Man in my line.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
by Tdogg on Aug 4, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dont Stop Now Tdogg!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 4, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
whoosh
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
oh my bad
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
for wu's amusement i must inform you that we're on the same side
brutha
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, who would have been the fifth starter had Hudson gone for a bat?
Moreover, little distinguishes the last starts of Hudson, Harrell, and Torres, as Jim on Sox Machine points in his recap of last night’s game. All three were uncomfortable, fell behind hitters, failed to get key pitches over for strikes, and walked lots of batters. Harrell, as Jim says, just didn’t pay for his sins.
Given what we’ve seen from the fifth starter recently, I’m anxious to see what E Jax can do, and right now call me an optimist.
we're on the same side brutha
i love jim, although i could never figure out how to use his blog.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you think it's safe to assume
We would have added some veteran 5th starter instead of going the rest of the season with Torres? I don’t see how this team built on pitching would have let Torres start the rest of the season. I’m fairly certain we’d have picked someone up.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that Sidney Ponson was available . . . .
but seriously, who would that someon have been? I agree that they must have had a plan for a fifth starter, but I’m curious to know what that would have been. There did not seem to be many starters available.
Well, I'd start with mediocre, guys on their last year that play for bad teams.
Dave Bush, Millwood, Livan Hernandez, Paul Maholm (2011 also), Bruce Chen..
I imagine they’d probably get a bit more creative than that, but someone along those lines would have probably been cheap to pick up, and wouldn’t have required much in return.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Then again it's KW.. may have done something crazy
And picked up a guy with a bunch of salary left like Zambrano or Zito for all I know. I just can’t imagine it’d have been Torres the rest of the way though.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could not see a fifth starter of Torres or one by committee, either.
I just don’t know what is better: E Jax and no new bat, or a new bat but handing the ball over to the likes of a Bruce Chen every 5 days.
Hope you dry out soon. We had big storms in VA overnight. All clear by the time I walked the dog.
Yeah, Bruce Chen may have been a stretch on my part.
Also depends on if Teahen can come in and not be miserable at baseball. If he is league average and Kotsay is gone, that’s probably enough of an upgrade if Jackson can pitch well.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
OT: Baseball-Reference is now synced with the facebook
I was the first person to “like” Albert Belle (there’s now 11, so I am quite clearly a trendsetter), and I’ve also nabbed El Duque. Next up: Pedro and Jose Valentin.
FUCK FACEBOOK IN THE FACE!
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
"but since that ugly '07 season he hasn't done a whole lot to inspire confidence in his ability to assemble talent via the trade market"
i’ve been somewhat of a kenny defender against previous criticism that appeared unwarranted at the time. however, it’s been hard to swallow the moves and non-moves he makes over the last few years.
perhaps they are stories that the media likes to spin, but i think kenny gives ozzie and players (fucking konerko, dye, aj) too much influence on team assembly, as if kenny doesn’t want to put up with additional headaches from having to hear complaints from ozzie and the clubhouse (e.g., nick swisher, vasquez).
assuming kw is moving up the ladder in the organization, would we expect his heir apparent rick hahn to approach things differently?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 AM CDT reply actions
There really isn't anywhere for KW to go.
The Sox don’t have an intermediary between the GM and owner, like John McDonough or John Paxson (plenty of baseball teams have one, but I think it’s kinda pointless). If Rick Hahn is going to be a GM, it’ll be somewhere else.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
They can create a position.
As you said plenty of other baseball teams have one, no reason the White Sox can’t. Just because we don’t now, doesn’t mean it won’t change. They found space for Paxson, I’m sure they can find space the guy who has actually won something.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's plausible.
I’m just not sure he’d want to step out of the GM position, even if that means staying with the club and working with GM Hahn. But it could happen.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
I think Hahn wants to be GM here.
He’s the heir apparent and why wouldn’t he? Working for Uncle Jer is loyalty gold.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
who was the guy that thought he was the heir apparent..... and then got it in the rear from
reinsdorf and williams? danny something.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Evans.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 4, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC for sm
and ur thinking of richar.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I cant wait for us to become a total saber house run team
We will make all these “great” preseason moves get tons of accolades from Fan Graphs, Law and Cameron. Be ranked as a Top 5-6 org (I smell that trophy!) and then be 27 games under .500 on August 4th.
Wait that’s already hap………
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
by Tdogg on Aug 4, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, they're 25-28 at home :)
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
correction 25-29 at home
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
lol
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Solution?
FIRE GM KENNY WILLIAMS!!!!
HIRE AN INTELLIGENT GM TO RIGHT THIS FUCKING SHIP!!!
There’s no way I would want our White Sox to be losers like the ETERNAL LOSER CUBS!!!!
You do realize the Sox have a 1.5 game lead right?
and what’s with the Cubs reference? This is a Sox blog, I don’t care about the Cubs or how they are doing.
??
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Mother of God
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I probably should have just said "yes, he's serious" and spared you.
I’m not a good person though.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm struggling to remember who I was...before I saw that.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Rob Neyer piece on Royals Rebuilding closes with this . . . .
I don’t see the Royals catching the Twins anytime soon. But if Mission 2012 is reaching .500, it’s far from impossible.
And then this very nice posted comment from a reader . . . Perhaps an SSSer?
and if the royals did catch the twins, they’d still be a game behind the white sox ….
please, we all know the Twins are the true first place
Every advanced stat we have tells us the sox suck…..
by hitlesswonder on Aug 4, 2010 8:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love it!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i don't know who smokethe is, but i can assume what he's going to finish that statement with
and the next round is on me, mystery commenter. +1.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 4, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Where would you rank the Garland for OC trade?
I think KW did well there, unloading a pitcher that had been struggling for a key part of the 2008 run. By no means was this a “winner” trade. Unloading Garland opened a space in the rotation for Floyd, who seized it. So, I would say it worked out.
Oddly enough, both Garland and OC are playing for their third team since that trade and making contributions to surprising NL teams this year.
I think it was a good trade.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
guy's been around long enough
judge by wins, losses, and salary.
a bit premature
To already be counting Hudson for Jackson as a bad trade. Jackson hasn’t even thrown his first pitch in a Sox uniform yet! Let’s not forget that Jackson was an all-star last year based on a tremendous first half and has shown signs of brilliance in his career. Sure he’s been wildly inconsistent, but maybe he just needed a change of scenery and coach Coop to straighten him out.
I like Hudson and he sure looked good Sunday, but we need to give E-Jack a chance before we’re writing this deal off as a loser.
did you read colin's post from the day before?
it’s a good reference of estimating how good jackson has to be under the assumptions that he can be ‘fixed’ by doc cooper..in brief, this was not money ($8mill) well spent
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
not my 8 million
I’m not as concerned about the money as the results. But if he’s somehow able recreate Edwin Jackson early 2009 in late 2010, I have to say it will be well worth the money. He was probably the biggest reason Detroit got off to its fast start last year. Granted, he was also a big reason why they collapsed down the stretch.
My feeling is that this probably is going to end up as a bad trade, but I’m trying to at least give Jackson a shot to prove KW is (in this case) smarter than the rest of us. He was in the cases of Garcia for Floyd and McCarthy for Danks.
You don't need to be concern with the money. You need to be concerned with the fact that it means the Sox won't be able to make upgrades in the offseason
Now instead of signed a quality $12 MM players this offseason to fill one of the many hole, they will be signed a $4MM below average turd.
Endorsing the Jaskon trade is endorsing next year’s Teahan-eque acquisition.
For past example, look at the Peavy deal. If the trade hadn’t happened, this year we would have had Richard starting, Poreda as the LOOGY, and about $15 MM to use to find a 3B, LF and/or DH. To fully judge this trade you have to compare Richard, Poreda, and let’s say Damon & Vlad Guerrero to Peavy, Williams, Pierre, and Kotsay.
by joewho112 on Aug 4, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this!
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yikes! Typos
Thatt first sentence in the body should be “Now instead of signing a quality $12 MM player this offseason to fill one of the many hole, they will sign a $4MM below average turd.”
and one of those holes to fill would have been an ace starting pitcher.
see how far your $15m goes now, joe.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
not as eloquently as you just did.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Might be time to sit a few plays out champ.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
Bring some wrist braces.. I don't want you tiring out
Would be a shame if we go into the game thread down a man because of an injury during drills.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
cash concerns
Your point would be valid if baseball had a salary cap. If Jackson helps the White Sox win the World Series, they will certainly generate more than 8 million in revenue for the season which they could use to sign better free agents in the offseason. Reinsdorf could have spent more money to sign Vlad or Damon even though he was paying for Peavy, KW just chose not to spend Jerry’s money that way.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 4, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
the white sox have a salary cap.
a self-imposed one. what you say is close to accurate, i’m sure. doesn’t mean that there isn’t an opportunity cost here. particularly if your rosy world series scenario doesn’t come to fruition.
If you need to win the World Series for a trade to be worth it, you made a bad trade.
My point is valid even with out a salary cap. It doesn’t matter that Jerry could choose to spend more money. It matters that he does set a budget for KW. The team’s resources are finite.
even without a world series
I’m pretty sure the difference of making the playoffs and not is enough to account for an $8 million difference in revenue. Obviously though there is some flexibility with Jerry’s money or KW wouldn’t have been allowed to make this deal in the first place.
My original point was not about the finances though, it was about the fact that it’s possible that E-Jack finally puts it all together here and becomes a solid 15-18 game winner while Hudson never develops into anything other than a fourth or fifth starter on a bad team. So far all we’ve seen is one game from one guy since the trade.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 4, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
and it's far more possible that neither edwin jackson nor daniel hudson, if he were here, are the difference between going to the playoffs and not.
and revenue isn’t the word you’re looking for.
Yeah I think either is the key to the playoffs.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I dont think
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
yeah the key is freddy
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
agreed
I guess profit is the correct term if we’re being technical. Revenue tends to be the buzz-word used in baseball talk though. They call it revenue-sharing, not profit-sharing.
The key will be whether or not Omar can keep playing like mid-30’s Omar instead of mid-40’s Omar. Well, that’s one of many keys.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do people believe this? Even the Yankees have a self-imposed salary cap.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
because they, like many teams, can exceed it if they want to.
it is meaningless to call it a self-imposed-salary-cap. its a budget.
Poor word choice, but you get my point.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else get caught in the storms today?
From my house to car (all of about 25 feet) I was completely soaked. Finally starting to dry two hours later.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 9:33 AM CDT reply actions
i got nailed too.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
heyyooooo
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
caught a little bit here
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
maybe kenny thought sale made hudson expendable?
that would make jackson a stop-gap
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
to my recollection, sale isn't projected to be a starter, but larry could have more to add on that
and i agree with joewho
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
how he projects
depends upon who you talk to. the white sox intend to give him the chance but there’s no consensus. i rather doubt, though, that the white sox are so certain at this point that sale is a starter and a starter who would be ready in 2012 that that is one of the reasons they traded hudson.
thanks
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 4, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
it would sure suck to spend that high of a pick on a relief pitcher
i hope hes a starter since we dont have any others in the system
So... What that tells me is Sox could have found impact players at 13...
Like Aaron Hill, Manny Ramirez (a hall of famer), and a franchise 1B/DH in Paul Konerko.
Along with an average SS in Khalil Greene, and some decent looking prospects in Tyler Colvin and Brett Wallace.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
or they could have found shit.
my point, which is essentially always my point when people say “KW made a terrible pick if the player he drafts in the first round doesn’t end up being a star” is that finding an okay player who contributes positively is a fine enough outcome when you’re not drafting in the top five or so. if all sale does is make the majors and is an average lefty set-up man (i.e., less than a thornton, more than a williams), that would be fine.
Oh okay. Not disagreeing with you.
I would be fine with him if he turned out to be a good setup man or dominant lefty.
I was just expanding on your point, I guess, that at #13 teams can either get diddly poo, an average player, or an all-star. An average player is better than diddly poo, so I’ll take a contributable lefty reliever.
This is all a bit moot though, as no one’s saying he’s destined for the bullpen, yet, at least. Right?
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice rant Mr. Cheat
I especially agree with the responsibility going to KW for the DH fail.
The Rizzo point sounds about right too.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 4, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
would it make any sense
to keep teahen on an “extended” rehab assignment until rosters expand on september 1st? Has he even played the field yet in AAA? Last i checked he was just DH’ing
Confucious say "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."
that's not possible.
you can’t just put a player on rehab and keep him in the minors forever. 20 days for non-pitchers.
thanks
wasn’t sure about the rules on that. maybe a kotsay to the DL for turf-toe move is coming soon then
Confucious say "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."
We could just detach his latissimus dorsi
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
I would be all for that.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
3B last night.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
I don't know why folks ae fretting over this
Ozzie has already said Omar is the regular 3rd baseman.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Yeah.. Ozzie may be crazy
But Teahen is not getting his job back this year. Which might be a good thing.. maybe now he won’t try to do too much. I know that’s a pretty tired excuse in baseball, but clearly some guys struggle with it. Now he can see there are plenty of other guys carrying the load and he can just go about his business of being average in the background.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I swear I was arguing with someone that this was KW's fault.
Whoever you are, you are wrong.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
In regards to the Thome let-go.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Who as in "never heard of him"
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
Didn't Mariano Chevalier sing "Thank Heaven for Little Girls?"
If only Ozzie got to him sooner.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
if only they had translators in the dominican league!
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha.. the timing was pretty great there.
Ozzie probably injected the kid himself.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Twinkie review of schedules
Well done.
linky
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i thought that was an interesting analysis
but their commenters are retarded
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe b/c a twinkie fan is retarded hence their comments are retarded
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
glasshouse? i wish
i can barely get the cardboard to hold up in this humidity
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the proper term is
denarded.
hey swisher...........you know.
by BuehrleMan on Aug 4, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
why do some of the SSS members go over and talk on the twins board?
they don’t do that to us and i would really be upset if they did. I’d have to unleash hell and fury and it may take a year or two off my life……
Kenwo4life=ratings
I've gone on there once or twice
not to be a prick, just to get their side of a situation.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I like this.
Hell, I would welcome some knowledgeable posters from other SBN sites commenting on SSS while the Sox play their team.
Emphasis on ‘some’ and ‘knowledgeable.’
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 4, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ive commented only recently
asking what sections i should be wary of when buying tix on cl, and if this one kc cat was going up for the next sox/twins series.
speaking of, is anyone planning on attending the game up there on tuesday the 17th?
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Im watching espn because I have no life and afraud just hit 600
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
not particularly
I turned it off after that
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I can only imagine
the gushing, and revolting, commentary from the announcers. That and endless replays of the HR
hr relevance
Juan Pierre’s HR from yesterday carries more relavance than any of ARod’s 600 HR’s so far.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well they just showed one of Alexeis plays as top defensive play of the day or something
so its good to see that hes finally getting recognition
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
bout time,
what a schmuck
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Agreed, Cheat.
I don’t like how Kenny has been handling any of this, and it makes me wonder if the friction between he and Ozzie from earlier this year was just some ploy to lay all blame on Guillen and then send him out the door to save his own job.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions
nice.
“I’m going to show up at the park, be there for pregame, go out there for BP (batting practice), throw a little bit, and if my name gets called, hey, go out there and give ’em hell.”
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 4, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah I was going to quote that as well.
i like the kid already
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
save it for after
“I’ll be out to the press room to talk to you guys after my victory wank”
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Aug 4, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So he has a fiance and a toddler?
Whoooopseeeeee
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The guy has a toddler, and doesn't have his fiance's number memorized?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
this surprises you why?
people program numbers into their phones these days and don’t bother to remember them.
Does his phone have a screen on it?
Cause I dunno about him, but my phone says the number every time I call it. I’d think if I had a fiance to call, I’d see the number enough times to remember it.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
Not mine. It says the name of the person/business I'm calling. No numbers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
i can give it to you, if you want.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 4, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I had a fiance, I'd have her number memorized
I memorize any numbers I consider important, girlfriend, parents, brothers, etc.. just in case something like this happens or my phone breaks.
I guess I just assumed others do this, seems that was a poor assumption.
In any case, the guy is a pro athlete, you’d think he could afford a second phone charger, at the airport or first store he sees while driving.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
guy hasn't been in one place for more than a few weeks recently.
i’m guessing he’s living out of a suitcase. i don’t know about you, but i don’t travel with a second phone charger. and if i were called up to the majors, i’m probably not going to be assiduously checking the battery on my cell phone. and there aren’t exactly a lot of phone chargers sold in the terminals of airports.
Yes, there are.. even Charlotte's.
Every airport has a place to buy a phone charger, and considering how small Charlotte’s airport is, it wouldn’t be hard to find. Plenty of options along the way to that airport too.
I’m not suggesting he’d travel with two. I’m suggesting he can waste the 20 bucks and buy one on the way. I’d think if it was me, the first thing I’d do is call my parents or fiance to give them the news. It only takes 10 seconds to make a phone call.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
you didn't read the article did you.
“Sale’s fiancee’, Brianne Aron, and his toddler son, Rylan, were in New York visiting relatives and Sale was struggling to coordinate with them because his cellphone battery died just prior to boarding a Charlotte plane to Detroit at 11 this morning.”
words. interestingly, they have meanings. usually clear ones. from this, one can obviously conclude that he didn’t notice his phone was going to die while on the way to the airport. also, he already told his parents and/or fiancee the news previously. he was merely having trouble reaching her to discuss getting her to detroit.
pssh reading.
laaaame.
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
that's preposterous
family members don’t read sbnation, unless they are drafted by the cubs.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
prove it =
i must have missed this…
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
probably because you don't have access to my email.
i write about minor leaguers. often pointing out flaws. guess who gets upset.
really? wow
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
not yet.
wow, that is not too hard to believe i guess. i would email you as well and ask you to meet me in an alley if you said my son strikes out too much, and will probably not amount to much.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
they must respect your opinion though
if it pisses them off enough to email you. you do a nice job on the site larry, esp with the minor league posts, esp when there is not much to talk about.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No kidding??? You got e-mail from the Danks family?
Or from Jordan himself? That’s wild. How did that go? (e-mail me!)
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
when you tell it like it is
you can expect backlash
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
this has been one long comment thread of whosh
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
whoosh yourself
i believe larry
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You should.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
This must be why John has been pitching on pure hate this year.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I've only gotten corrections, not hate mail
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
i wouldn't call it hate mail.
just you don’t know what you’re talking about and my son/friend/nephew is awesome.
do reply with pictures of implied facepalms?
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
theyre certainly not love letters
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
not enough pictures.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
In any case.. like I said
Obviously it was a poor assumption that other people memorize important phone numbers.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
...could be the dumbest fucking thing
that has been discussed on this site in hours.
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
by BoeJouma on Aug 4, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
shouldnt you be making the fries or something?
its time for the come to Jesus moment and admit Kotsay's time has long passed. -tdogg
nope, not till tomorrow night.
eaiest fucking job ever, and i get paid like its incredibly difficult.
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
if you fee liek doing so, close one eye and see if it eliminates double posts
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
if you feel liek doing so, add an L to fee
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know any merchants to avoid near The Cell?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
i know nothing to avoid around the cell
other than anything farther south than the cell.
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
oh my tenWA friend
there is much to be loved south of the cell
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not going to sign my credit card and see what happens.
(well, i’ll just write “see id” on the back. that should work)
(95degrees, dew point 79, heat index 113. still a chance to go higher in the next hour or so)
hey swisher...........you know.
Boy, this shit blows. I'm moving to the west coast
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
80 degrees, dew point of 60, not a cloud in the sky.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
I'll be there tomorrow
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 4, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuckin' Southeast.
God must hate it. Which is ironic.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Also try Colorado.
If you like actually having seasons. You don’t know how awesome winter is when it’s basically 45-55 and sunny for 90% of January and February, with a handful of snowstorms that melt within 3 days thrown in. And every time it snows you know that there is a winter sport wonderland about 80 minutes away.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 4, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
True. Sigh. There's this place I really want to go to in Colorado Springs
Some brunch hotel that’s world famous. Forget what it’s called.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
how could you not memorize important numbers simply out of habit?
I can see some of these kids that were born with a cellphone in their cribs… but its not like you haven’t lived 90% of your life having to dial a number.
the only numbers i know
are my mothers and mine. if i tried real hard i might be able to come up with some parts of various friend’s numbers, but i just highlight their name, and hit call
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
i'd imagine most people memorize numbers based upon dialing them often, not out of "habit".
no one dials numbers that often anymore. if you’re going to be calling a number often, you program your phone to dial it for you.
I didn't even have a cell phone from 2007 until a few months ago.
From the time I turned in my firm Blackberry until the time Prof. Dr. Mrs. Joe could pop out the twins at any moment and I needed to be reachable at all times.
The only numbers that I have programmed in my phone now are the ones my wife did for me — home, a few of her friends that I might have reason to call, etc.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Calling your wife's friends..
I like your style BridgeportJoe.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Says more about my wife's friends than me.
In the humanities, about 90% of academics are old, gay/lesbian or both.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 4, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
My phone is smart, I'm not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Aug 4, 2010 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven't had a home phone since 2001. As a result, I have absolutely no idea what any of my friends' numbers are.
The only numbers I have memorized nowadays are ones I dial regularly in my office, which is the only place I ever encounter a good ol fashioned telephone.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
I have my fiancee's number memorized, but just so she can come bail me out.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 4, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
this is so true - I have trouble remembering my own mobile number let alone anyone elses
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
by hoodlight on Aug 4, 2010 3:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just last Thursday night
somehow I drunkenly deleted all the contacts in my phone while it was in my pocket…old college buddys, old colleagues, friends, family etc…I’m fucked. I checked what it would have taken and it would have taken 5 unique steps that apparently my keys or thigh successfully accomplished.
I DO know my wife’s phone # by heart however.
thepiratebay.org
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
why would that matter?
we all know that kotsay would end in a double play and if not, at least AJ could try his best hitting into one
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
^ inning ending double play
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
This thing bats Paulie second.
And Kotsay third.
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
you're doing it wrong
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
hahahaha. Anything that bats Kotsay third is doing it wrong.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Omar's veteran pressence would shield the good players
But seriously folks, Juan and Omar both have acceptable OBP so in general the heart of the order would bat with men on fairly frequently.
I want the guys most likely to make outs to get the fewest at bats
Pressence? I don't think you were ready to leave the bench quite yet.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 4, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Omar made a deal with Satan
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Disrespecting.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
WhiteSox Baseball:"We must be careful about what we pretend to be."
http://www.avclub.com/articles/15-things-kurt-vonnegut-said-better-than-anyone-el,1858/
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
I read all of Vonnegut's books in my high school years.
He springboarded me to better shit. Player Piano, IMO, was his masterpiece.
yah i like him too, but my fave
is bukowski
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I've read alot of Bukowski but really it is sad
he was a manic depressive drunk, though his poetic meanderings are completely original and vivid. If you’re up for some good stuff I would suggest 266 by Roberto Bolano. Finished this a couple weeks ago and is probably in my top 10.
despite troopers thought
i will seek this out
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
on 2666 not 266 that one did suck
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not a pro scout by any means, but it appears that Edwin has similar mechanics to CC
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
This is a good thing, yes?
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
you should've stopped when he said
‘not a professional scout’
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Aug 4, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
one is 100lbs less than the other
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you will see tonight
he looks like a right handed CC.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah sorry,
that was the best .gif i could find. I can’t tell if CC is pitching from the stretch or not. I watch their shoulders, gloves, rotation, and arm slot. Not sure how similar or different the leg kick is…
The hope would be, he could be half as good as CC.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
*trunk rotation
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
A good friend of mine is a former pitching coach
I sent him the links . . . He’s on vacation but if I get a reply worth posting, I will do it later. He has an amazing eye to pick up subtleties in deliveries.
nice! don't forget to let me know what he thinks...
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
even if he says i'm full of shit lol
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, here's what he said.
No similarity at all besides that they are both pitchers.
The good news is that Jackson has a very correctable flaw.
His release point is wrong and he’s coming over the top of his body
instead of getting his front leg out farther and using it for leverage.
Otherwise, I can’t imagine why the two would be compared.
By the way, C.C.‘s mechanics are nothing special and it’s
amazing that he doesn’t suffer injuries. He throws across is body and
jerks his arm a good many times.
by VAChisox on Aug 4, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good info.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 4, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
both black. that comparison works for me.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
it must have been white sunglasses day at wrigley today.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
If the Sox were 13 games out
it would be “Listen to the Crickets Night” at the Cell.
DJ: "What happens to Teahen when he comes back?"
Farmio: "He's our Geoff Blum."
Tigers/Sox game 1 broadcast 8/3/10
ain't that the truth
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet Ricketts still herds in 35,000 sheep every day
I was at Brian Anderson's major league debut. What a special game that was.
heh
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I just want to see a penguin sliding down a trough urinal.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 4, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Including Chris Chelios, Eddie Vedder and John Cusack
in attendance last night (sitting together) to witness consecutive loss #7.
What a crew.
It brought joy to my heart when I saw the sports "lowlights"
and those 3 mopes taking in the game.
Sure, the front-row seats were comped, but was it really worth it?
DJ: "What happens to Teahen when he comes back?"
Farmio: "He's our Geoff Blum."
Tigers/Sox game 1 broadcast 8/3/10
Any predictions on E. Jax for tonight?
I’ll guess 6.1 innings, 6 hits, 3 walks, 3 runs, 5 SO. Leaves the game with 2 on and one out and Putz or Thornton hold.
10 IP, 0 H, 1 HBP, 8 K, 0 ER
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Reminds me of Jack Morris in '91.
Which in turns reminds me of Game 2 of the ALCS in 2005 (the dropped third strike game). I’m still a little disappointed that the game ended in the 9th. If memory serves, Buehrle had thrown like 90 pitches and was almost certainly going to come out for the 10th.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 4, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
same game crossed my mind...
the bullpen was silent and MB was ready to go for the 10th. AJ + Crede made it a decent game anyway…
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