Juan Pierre Vs. The World
by U-God on Sep 3, 2010 1:34 PM CDT
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PrintI've grown incredibly weary of the constant articles that have popped up all season belittling Ozzie and the White Sox for sending Juan Pierre up to bat first. It almost felt like it had became a sabermetric meme (though nothing even close to the beloved #6org). It felt like the equivalent of listening to sports radio and hearing that John Danks just doesn't know how to win games, or that the Minnesota Twins always beat us because they play the game the right way.
I will admit, Juan Pierre is not a great baseball player. At this point in his career, he is a 1-2.5 WAR player a season. My point though? He is a perfectly acceptable leadoff option. Juan Pierre does not hit the ball very far or hard. Would it be nice to get a slugging percentage higher than .327 out of your first hitter? Of course. But his primary job is to get on base. And with his .353 OBP this season, he has done exactly that. Once again, would it be nice if this was higher? Duh. But do you know what the league average OBP is from the leadoff spot this season? .332. That's right. Juan has actually been above average. Thanks in large part to Juan, the White Sox have a .346 OBP from the 1 spot. Guess how many teams have done better. Go ahead, the answer is waiting for you after the jump.
Four. A whopping four teams have had better luck getting on base than the White Sox when it comes to leadoff hitters. Unsurprisingly, those teams are the New York Yankees, the Tampa Bay Rays, the Seattle Mariners, and the Detroit Tigers. When you have Derek Jeter and Ichiro Suzuki hitting first for the majority of your games, you should be in the top four for OBP. Austin Jackson's BABIP-fueled season has propelled the Tigers in, and Joe Maddon does a good job rotating in new guys when something isn't working. Here is a full chart for simplicity:
| Team | OBP |
| Seattle | .362 |
| Detroit | .359 |
| Tampa Bay | .355 |
| New York | .350 |
| Chicago | .348 |
| Los Angeles | .338 |
| Texas | .336 |
| Minnesota | .333 |
| Kansas City | .328 |
| Boston | .319 |
| Toronto | .314 |
| Baltimore | .312 |
| Oakland | .309 |
| Cleveland | .288 |
There are some particularly ugly numbers in there, especially Cleveland. It seems that most writers just took the easy way out when they decided to mock the Pale Hose's usage of Pods Noir. As I stated in my Boston preview, I'd like to see the Red Sox get taken to task for letting Marco Scutaro get so many at-bats at leadoff. I understand not mentioning the bottom four teams. Why pile on teams that can't make the playoffs? Did anyone really think the Orioles and the Indians could possible rank higher? No. But if they want to keep mentioning where Juan Pierre hits in the order as a reason for our offense's struggles (which is a weird thing to keep bringing up about the 6th offense in the American League), that is just plain lazy. There are seven other managers doing a worse job than Ozzie Guillen when it comes to this aspect of lineup creation. Go rail on them for a change.
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good post, it would be better if the Sox LF could actually hit home runs though
I don’t like Juan from the moment the kid sign the deal but at least he’s been better than replacement and stayed healthy. Sox love those kind of veterans a bit too much though.
he signed no deal with us
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
nice.
scott pilgrim was awesome.
straight into my top ten.
by craigws on Sep 3, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this U-God
Pierre had taken his lumps this season and delivered. I have seen a shift in articles lately admitting that Pierre has done the job. He’s up to a full 2.0 WAR this year. Nope he doesn’t hit for power but if he gives us a similar year next year I’d do a back flip. Still not the greatest use of resources in the preseason but this one has worked out.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
"but if he gives us a similar year next year I’d do a back flip."
do you really think that’s likely?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 4, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice work, M/PF.
Juannie has been doing his job since June. He’s at his career WAR. We had worse.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
yeah he started out slow ...
but he’s picked it up pretty well and I like the hustle he shows going after foul balls and gappers. I don’t have any problem with his work to this point and he doesn’t have a propensity to run us out of an inning like someone else I could mention.
Just as SSS Chief Meterologist larry predicted.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
They called it cause
Larry told them it would rain. They haven’t watched the weather channel in days.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
larry
Fixed
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
larry Taft.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Sep 3, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
larry Howard Taft
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
this article confuses me
I thought there was no such thing as the leadoff position. I believe that much of the complaining is that you have a corner outfielder with 1HR this year. If Pierre played SS, C or such that the issue would cease to exist.
The problem for me is that we have a singles hitter in a power hitting position, just like the base clogging DH mess. It’s a poor utilization of talent. Not like there are many options better on our roster now, but there were in the offseason.
Praise Him!!
To be fair to Juan, it's tough to hit for power when you're wearing a mitt and standing 280 feet from home plate.
Pretend he has sixteen homers and Alexei has one.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
lol. I dunno what to make of that last point.
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by Shoeless In SC on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What he is saying
is that leadoff is indeed a position. Most teams use a speedy slapper who gets on base, which is usually a SS or 2B.
So instead of having our LF hit for decent power and SS leadoff, the Sox have the SS hit for decent power and the LF leads off.
LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?
by ProfessorEmmer on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you. Kind of.
I personally don’t give an airborne fuck where the power/OBP comes from, as long as it’s there. See Tdogg’s comments below.
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by Teahenny Penny on Sep 3, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for airborne fuck.
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He always seems to be on base. He always hustles.
He has stolen a crapload of bases.
I think we have several other more critical things to be worried about, really.
"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny
For example, did Manny's personal barber make it to Boston OK?
"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny
I hated, hated, hated the Pierre acquisition
But a .353 OBP and good defense are not bad. And, in fact, the White Sox have been so OBP challenged the last few years that he’s probably more valuable to the Sox than he would be to some other teams, especially with above-average power at CF and SS.
I have to admit though, if Juan had a .325 OBP I’d probably be back to hating….
and that would be fine
because he’d be below average
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Yeah, it's just funny the difference doesn't seem huge
when you look at it in terms of outs…if he’d made something like 17 more outs this year than he has I’d have a much different opinion of his performance (and justifiably so). The margin between acceptable and suck is small….
by hitlesswonder on Sep 3, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this Crash Davis?
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Omar makes everybody better
Juan better hitter check
Alexei better fielder check
PK more homers check
he is a voodoo doll in reverse
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
He's no Donny Lucy.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I have no complaints with Pierre's OBP.
If he played a more important defensive position, I would not be bothered by his lack of power at all. I’m also not terribly bothered by his noodle arm.
My problems are:
1. I want power from my left fielder, regardless of place in the line-up.
2. He gets caught too often (not Rios-bad, but still too many outs on the basepaths).
Early in the season, these known issues were compounded by the fact that he wasn’t hitting and wasn’t getting on base. Of course, #1 (and, to a certain extent, #2) above are not his fault. We knew what his skillset was coming in. But when the only things he does well were not getting done, it exacerbated the situation in my eyes.
He isn’t “good”, in my view… but he is acceptable.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Aside: is there a stat that, say, deducts CS from OBP, and adds SB to SLG?
I’d be curious to see those adjustments. I’d do it myself, but… I won’t.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Doesn't wanting power from your LF matter less if you are getting extra power
from a non-traditional power source? I.e. center and short?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Not when you have zero power from DH, 3B, C and for some time 2B.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
This also.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
The White Sox slugging percentage is 4th in the league
its time to let this go. I just want good hitters or folks that get on base.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
You're right. 4th best is good enough.
Give all the kids trophies, Tdogg!
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
well, four teams from each league do make the playoffs...
just playing devil’s advocate….
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
STRETCH that premise, RWS.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
No that's not my point
They can do better – like upgrade the DH position. Im just saying its a trade off. Quentin can have power over there and suck as an outfielder. I don’t put left field in the same catergory as 1B for power needed. Especially when I have a slugging CF and RF.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
I agree
Moreover, putting a low SLG bat in LF isn’t awful because Pierre’s defense is good and picking OBP over SLG doesn’t seem like a bad tradeoff for the Sox.
It’s the thing with the DH that is indefensible.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if you're interested in having a finite amount of power.
Personally, since LF is considered an easier position to play and can be filled with relatively inexpensive power bats, I want power there.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
So you want infinite power.
Only Al Yellon gets that.
LF has been almost as difficult hole to fill as CF, Q’s partial one year flash of brilliance excepted.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Well you do have his baserunning score.
Pierre has been a very good base runner this year. Im not quite sure where you are getting the info on him making a lot of outs on the base paths.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Those numbers have improved recently. He's on a 12 of 13 streak right now.
He was below the magical 75% mark before that. He no longer is, I was mistaken.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Pierre has been much better than I thought he would
given age and league changes. What are the odds he can get close to this again next year?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
I know he's been perfectly acceptable given this teams' options but Pierre inspires the same kind of ambivalence that Pods did last season.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
I was not at all ambivalent about Pods LF defense and poor baserunning last season
Pierre is better in both aspects. He is more expensive than Pods though.
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by NorthSidePaulie on Sep 4, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
The question is, will Jesus actually intervene on their behalf?
"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny
Psht.
They’re being persecuted cause they believe fully in, ‘Stop Snitchin’.’
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Kid should look at Chris Rock's video of how to act when cops pull you over.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
"HE GOT WEED, HE GOT WEED!!!!!"
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So they are expelling them because they are choosing not to talk about an incident
they may or may not have been involved with…
They are 16 they are young adults and they deserve and Education… sure I’d rather have them talk or not, but these kids are facing outside pressures they cannot control.
something tells me this wasn't their first run-in with the administration.
ah, yes. i hear the same thing for why so few murderers who kill people in front of a dozen witnesses ever get caught.
Being a dumbass repeat offender
And not saying, ‘Yea, this is the guy I saw do it’’ are certainly factors I think you can control.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have zero sympathy
For juvenilles described as ‘repeated law breakers,’ despite the difficulty of their situation. Especially ones dumb enough to show up to a meeting about their future wearing a shirt that says, in essence, ‘Fuck you.’ These dudes have a history of offenses. Sucks to be them.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
zero sympathy, huh.
despite the difficulty of their situation. interesting straddle there.
i have sympathy for anyone who grows up in such circumstances because i know how things are likely to turn out for them, almost regardless of anything else. i’m happy to have been born an affluent suburban white male.
you could be even happier
if, on top of that, you were to adopt the moral highground.
by craigws on Sep 3, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Repeat offenders".
That seems to be the key phrase. Enough “ghetto pride” understanding, white boy. Talk wth the folks who live in it who don’t make excuses. The would not concur.
And the t-shirt is idioic. So are all teen-agers.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I have experience with such juveniles - more than you know.
But we were talking about “environment” as a rationale for poor behavior, yes? What does the court system have to do with that?
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I think the school
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the school board
Deciding their fate and not the actual court system reflects that.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you are being "judged" by some entity
you damn sure should have someone advising you on how to behave and increase your chances for a successful outcome. If your point is that these kids have less good role modes/mentors around, point taken. I’m saying that all teens are stupid/arrogant (generally) when it comes to being “judged”. Unless they are pre-law.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
it was when i got here i started smiling because another u-god thread has been shit on.
MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car
Wait
Are you talking to me or Larry?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
larry.
Inelegant as your post is, I support the premise.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
touche`
i hate every time someone tells me “atta boy” for lack of a better term when i do something that im supposed to do.
not saying i live in the ghetto, or trying to say what i do is even comparable, but everyone has a moral compass. they know right from wrong as we all do.
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Sep 3, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
the poster child for knowing right from wrong
is showing up to a hearing in that shirt. that illustrates someone who doesn’t fully comprehend such things.
Affluent teens are just as stupid.
Perhaps their representation is not as clued-in as rich kids’.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
you mean the parent didn't tell them that wearing something like that in such a situation is a terrible idea.
gosh. can’t figure out how these kids turn out this way.
It takes a village.
I’d bet it’s a cultural thumb in the eye. Tell me otherwise.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
is that the defense you would use representing him?
“he doesnt fully comprehend”
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Sep 3, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
gotchya
youre not a fuckin lawyer if you have sympathy…i knew you were just a jive talkin turkey
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Sep 3, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
This is fantastic.
“Sympathy” is between “shit” and “syphylliis” in the dictionary, IIRC.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Alright, so where do you
Draw the line, O Mighty Larry?
And I like the assumptions about my experiences based off a guess as to where and how I grew up.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"larry".
Really. But I like your grit.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Thanks.
And I’ll work on my elegance.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That could very easily be interpreted by some as
Because of circumstances, black people should have lower standards of behavior.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not black people
poor people
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
And Im not saying they should
but the reality is they do.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
An important distinction.
My apologies. But, you agree?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
agree with what?
Do I feel sympathy? Sure. Im not saying folks shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. But lets be honest it matters. I was poor as a child. I was a child of divorce but I still had an active and driven dad guiding me. Many of these kids don’t.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Agree with the idea
That the post can be interpreted as advocating different standards of behavior, that’s all.
I’m not saying lock them up and throw away the keys. I’m saying punish them for their actions, and after the punishment give them the opportunity to prove they have learned from the experience.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 4:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
advocating different standards of behavior.
yeah. that’s exactly what i was doing there. good fucking lord.
So, how do you answer the question I posed long ago?
Where do you draw the line? And how would you punish these three then?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 4:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your statement of happiness at being a white male from the suburbs
And sympathy for people in similar situations assumes that others don’t have a similar experience and therefore can’t have valid opinions.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So's this particular thread.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I'm talking about the off-topic piece.
Having a philosophical discussion about disadvantaged youth and moral/legal/intelligent behavior doesn’t generally appear in a Juan Pierre thread.
I bet Juan ate his peas and carrots.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I am older than 97% of you,
so I forget a lot.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Yes, even me...and I'm really old.
I say, unleash Sister Lorraine (my 4th grade teacher, who is now around 110) on these delinquents. If her paddle doesn’t take care of business, boot their asses and make room for a kid who wants to learn.
"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny
Great.
Now we’re advocating different standards of posting, too.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Sep 3, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it started because Juan Pierre
wouldn’t snitch.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We should have lower standards for Juan Pierre, because he is black.
Which is why he seems all the better now!
"OzzieOzzieOzzie: eep"
by South Side Expat on Sep 3, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I expect his stolen base percentage to be better!
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ba-ZING!!
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Funny, I expect him to have more stolen bases.
"OzzieOzzieOzzie: eep"
by South Side Expat on Sep 3, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
wow did I fuck that up by not reading.
Okay, time to leave work.
"OzzieOzzieOzzie: eep"
by South Side Expat on Sep 3, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
well duh
it’s a u-god post
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
sorry dude, i try to refrain
but now being stuck out here you can see how easy it is to get distracted and off course
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Sep 3, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I don't care anymore.
I got the job I interviewed for this morning.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you have a Omar Viz baseball card?
congrats
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
The economy is fully recovered!
My license is active on Tuesday. Vacation over.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
y'see, that's the problem
people with strong opinions on it just throwing their hands up in the air and surrendering to disillusion.
this is all your fault.
Haha thank you.
I’d just found out as I made that post, so my immediate interest in the conversation waned.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The world needs fluffers.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You do seem happy…
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Are you serious? He's miserable.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
yeah thats pretty easy to say from the cheap seats!
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
I am shock at this defense.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
why?
I think “don’t snitch” is dumb as hell. Witness intimidation on the other hand…..
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
people confuse these all the time.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
God dammit, Earl.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Who would you prefer?
I say Harrell, please not Torres.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of short rest, myself.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not a fan of horseshit starting pitchers.
by larry on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I only ask
because I don’t know, what are Danks/Floyd’s numbers when pitching on short rest? Pitching them might lead to the shit results no one here wants.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't the end of 2008 a shit ton of short rest?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Read the posts on Danks' durability.
Big concerns, especially because of his youth. Then he pitches a career game #163.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
You have the minor league numbers I don't
and I know it’s a pennant race, but I’d like to see more of Harrell, personally. Though he wasn’t great, I think he merits another chance.
It comes down, I guess, to whether you feel the risk of short rest has longer term effects than keeping guys on regular rest and making one game a question mark.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd like to see less harrell.
because, if he’s pitching, that means the white sox are not doing well.
At this point I rather see as little games "thrown"
as possible. I’ll take Danks or Floyd on short rest over those other clowns all day.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Yeah...there's no margin for error
Given the way Ozzie has been using Jenks for multiple innings lately, he may realize this too. So hopefully Gavin or Danks heads back out there early…
by hitlesswonder on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Danks on short rest
1 game 8 ip 2h. You know the rest.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Floyd
tattooed
2 games 1-1 22 IP 28h/20k
main problem was 6 homers
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
averaging 11 innings per start is incredible!
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
i'd say the main problem was the fact that 2006 gavin floyd and 2007 gavin floyd in a spot start
were making half those starts.
yeah I was looking for the actually games
I figured one was from the much earlier Floyd. The one that sucked.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Youdaman.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
So it's September
so we have to have our annual “should we go to a 4 man rotation” discussion.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
screw that short rest baby
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Is Wtgtd really gone?
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
Forgive my ignorance
But what happened this time?
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
disregard
I read his sig and took it literally. I have seen him much lately.
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
haven't seen him much
Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."
Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."
OT: Manny Mensa:
Manny Ramirez’ IQ is 145
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I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
"Retarded" is not used any more, as you know.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
"Moron", however,
is still appropriate in certain circumstances, I believe.
;)
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Bonehead, pinhead, numbnuts, dumbass, mental midget, tard-tastic, etc.
"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat
Do the still use EMH and TMH?
Wasn’t the cutoff at 80 IQ?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
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by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"denarded"
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
U-G: I don't get the timing of this.
Who’s ranted about JP in the last 6-8 weeks? What brought this on?
And for the record, Jeter has nothing to do with Yankees OBP. He’s at .332 and fading.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I dunno about rant, but the general idea that JP leading off is bad has been in many comments the last 2 months
sometimes gets a ’he’s fine’ response, sometimes piling a on response.
Maybe in gamethreads? I'm not seeing it in the day threads.
And I suspect they’d be jumped on there. Hell, even a .340 from Pierre would be good.
Though the concept of a slugging/bad D LF instead of him is valid.
Say levee!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 5:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
off day: check. UG post: check.
soccer work ethic cunt twat homo jerry owens.
by Trooper on Sep 3, 2010 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Retard, horses, ghetto.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 4:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I love this.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
sorry billy
The gamethread is gonna be about 12 minutes late. Stuck in traffic.
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by The Cheat on Sep 3, 2010 5:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Silly Billy. Thinks there's a game. Cheat humoring him. Cute.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 5:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy crap. You're right.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 5:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont think cheat reads this site.
MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car
by e-gus on Sep 3, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Sep 3, 2010 6:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now THIS thread is fantastic.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
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