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Chris Sale Brings Bling, Blank Innings

Chris Sale earned his first major league victory with 2.2 spotless innings of relief Monday. 

The win pushed the White Sox winning streak to 7, but thanks to Minnesota's 8-2 record over the last 10 they haven't really made up much ground. The con-Manny Sox have made a habit of coming back with dramatic late-inning rallies, a feature that was sorely missing in August and led to much consternation over the bullpen.

Ironically, now that the bullpen is shortened, Ozzie has been at his best managing them. He seems to be pushing all the right buttons on this trip. In the last 3 days he's allowed 3 different pitchers to close out a game; Jenks twice in a double header, Matt Thornton in his first game back from the DL, and Monday with Sale, a kid who was in a second, maybe-third-tier college program a little over 3 months ago. That takes balls, and is one of the skills that makes Guillen's other foibles more bearable.

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The White Sox are 7-0 when tied before the first inning on the road with Manny Ramirez on the roster

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by billyok on Sep 7, 2010 12:59 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

My recap was posted at 10:39 PM PDT. China!!!

a pahtty-maathed Pahrt Slot Cahnt of a wahtress

by homesickalien on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I love the fact that September means something to us Sox fans

I still believe that the Twins will hit a wall at some point. Chris Sale was impressive today and I can’t wait to see him in the starting lineup sometime next season.

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 AM CDT reply actions  

if we win above 90 games, but lose out in the division, i wonder if that bodes well for additional revenue from attendance next year?

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Am I getting whooshed with the "starting lineup" comment?

An obvious joke (though one I don’t understand) if you actually meant lineup. If you meant rotation, probably not going to happen. Maybe really late in the season for a spot start, but he will probably start in high A, so he’d need to have a pretty quick rise in the system. Also, starting pitching should not be a major need next year (hopefully Peavy makes a full recovery).

That being said, I am definitely excited about the kid’s future.

by CatBrains on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is out of the question Sale spends time in bullpen again next year?

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly not.

I honestly don’t know what I’d rather see right now. It would be a shame if he had the ability to be a legit 2-3 starter, but gets pigeonholed as a reliever because of his success this year. However as larry pointed out in the past, getting a true major leaguer out of any draft pick, even a first rounder, is far from a lock, and should be considered a success.

I guess I’d like to see him at least try to start next year then if he really struggles with that at any point, come back in relief.

by CatBrains on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I don't think it will ruin or pigeonhole him if he gets more time at reliever

Plenty of successful starters have done more time than that as a reliever and been fine. If he has the stuff for starter he’ll eventually start.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

We need a reliever, not a starter. Maybe sometime down the road? Also, I’m no pitching expert, but he doesn’t seem to have the type of mechanics that would lend themselves well to a long career as a starter.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

he throws like Randy Johnson

he had a shit career as a starter

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll probably be needed in the Sox bullpen next year.

Thornton very well could be our closer if we non-tender Jenks or find someone to take him off our hands. Sale and Santos would slide into Putz and Thornton’s role as situational set-up men. Next year’s pen could be pretty thin without Sale.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Sep 7, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't sign Bobby Jenks

You’d have plenty of money to spend on other relievers.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That money goes to a right fielder.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well take the money from AJ's contract then..

It’s not like middle relief pitchers cost a shit ton. We already have two candidates to close in Putz and Thornton, so you’re just looking for the guys below them.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Putz won't be here but AJ might be.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You cant break up the Bromance!!

They even went on the DL together…

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 7, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

DH and 1B

Teahen in right, stopgap/Morel at 3rd.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Sep 7, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

when they dont sign...

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie's just fucking with us
‘We had Manny in the lineup and we didn’t have no [Alex] Rios, [Alexei] Ramirez and Konerko, and the lineup still looked good,’’ Guillen said.

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 AM CDT reply actions  

i think he actually believes that

Any lineup with kotsay is a good lineup to ozzie

by Akronsoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i know, but at least he can manage a bullpen

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

by "manage a bullpen"

Do you mean put guys in and they do good? Not sure why a manager deserves credit for a players performance.

by striker on Sep 7, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

putting the high leverage with the high leverage pitchers

is something managers screw up with some regularity.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Sep 7, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he seems to really know

when to rest guys or push them. as the situation dictates. he really does put the bullpen in a position to succeed

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This has been a lovely little stretch to start off september.

I was so disgusted after that Sunday Yankee game….. I told my dad not to send in the playoff payment. Luckily he didn’t listen to his loose cannon of a son.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 7, 2010 2:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie's managing of late has been superb.

Thanks for pointing that out. Maybe I’ll back off the ledge.

by expatnyc on Sep 7, 2010 3:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

A lot easier to manage

When your GM gets you a real team. I’m sure we’d have thought Ozzie was doing a decent job managing all season had we had a real DH.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 7, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

His lineups have been absolute garbage. He’s say Manny twice since he came to the team and given Ramirez and Rios a day off. These are things that just cannot be done, and they are probably the biggest mistakes a manager can make.

He has also made some boneheaded steal and bunt attempts as usual throughout the winning streak.

It’s really easy to hide incompetence when winning, I guess.

by Gentleman Jim on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry I didnt mind giving Rios the day off yesterday

He said he’ll play him out now so I can live with that.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, the Sox didn't make up any ground...

…but it’s more important that they didn’t lose any ground. The Twainn could have put us away on multiple occasions…but didn’t.

It can still happen. But so far, so good.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 3:59 AM CDT reply actions  

As I said yesterday

they are sort of making up ground by winning on the road where you should be losing at a higher rate. Its the reason why even though they only gained a half a game their odds have gone up roughly 8% in a week.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Twin series is going to be fucking epic. Holy crap, I'm going to be biting my fingertips. off.

Might have to take some time off work that week.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Sep 7, 2010 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to at least one game.

I’m calling it right now – there will be one moment in that series that we will remember for a long, long time.

Hopefully it will be of the “Alexei hits a grand slam against the Tigers in Game 162” variety, instead of “Jim Thome hits a game winning home run.”

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manny hits a division-tying walk-off, BuehrleMan runs onto the field pantsless and gives him a wet, sloppy kiss.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Entire SSS in attendance.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my god, you guys.

You guys.

Chicago public school 6th graders go back to school in three hours.

Activity on SSS set to drop by 43%.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Sep 7, 2010 6:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess we'll see you after school TP?

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you start seeing mobile posts, be very afraid.

Hide your daughters! Hide your friends! Hide your neighbors!

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Sep 7, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

hide your kids

hide your wife and hide your other people, they rapin’ everybody out here.
best part is at about the 2:30 mark
link

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a word: Awesome

From the Star-Tribune

The White Sox rallied past Boston on Sunday at Fenway Park for their sixth straight victory, and Target Field patrons were treated to the highlights late in the Twins’ 6-5 victory over the Texas Rangers.

“That was the worst thing you can do,” Gardenhire said Monday. “I thought that was really terrible to put the highlights of the White Sox up there in our game.”

and..

“We’ve never done that, and I hope they never do that again,” Gardenhire continued. "That brought everybody down; the crowd went pfffffffft. We don’t need that. This is our game. We’re playing our game. We don’t care what the White Sox do until we play them.

“Scoreboard watching is one thing; having White Sox highlights during our game is a joke.”

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 7:01 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Oh, hey, we're like piranhas.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Sep 7, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's great!

The exact expression that Gardy has when either Delmon drops a routine fly ball or when Thome hits a home run…

"'Over'? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!"

by rubberbiscuit on Sep 7, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thome? Never heard of him.......(runs away crying)

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't I ever tell you about Bumbles?

Bumbles bounce.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gardy: it gets better
“You don’t have to tell me, I know,” Gardenhire said following Monday’s 5-4 victory over the Royals. “I feel them. Every one of them. We don’t get much sleep at night.”

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 7:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Gardy is full of shit.

They are just fine. I’d rather be in the lead.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 7, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

they had to show that so the umpires knew they had to give them the game.

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peter Gammons
In 51 hours White Sox won against Bucholz, Lackey, Beckett, Scherzer on road

Beat Verlander tonight and it’s the baseball equivalent of a sweep on Super Tuesday.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's not commence to sucking each other's dicks just yet, there.

But a 7-3 road trip, thought to be a wondrous trip (correctly) would seem disappointing now.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 7, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not

You’ll get no future predictions from me…but so far they’re passing the test.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't let WU tell you what to do

start sucking whenever you feel like it. I have.

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys like gladiator movies?

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

you ever been in a turkish prison?

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, but I've eaten turkish taffy

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Euphemisms, euphemisms....

"'Over'? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!"

by rubberbiscuit on Sep 7, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning games that Bucholz and Scherzer started was outstanding

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

he doesn't care about carlos carrasco?

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Which Large Game Fredrick show up tonight, guys?

When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic

by Rhubarb on Sep 7, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

The wet one.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Sep 7, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think both versions are the wet one.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

great weekend

agree with what’s been said that even though we haven’t made up too many games, huge to win on the road and against the quality of pitching we faced. don’t stop now boys!

also, manny’s line with sox so far: .364/.462/.364, will the power show up?

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

i almost spit out my coffee

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

i actually Did spit out my coffee!

on a community college algebra exam i was grading. whoops.

by scatterjazz on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha ok ok ok

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

further question:

i realize initial offering was a facepalm moment. what’s the number of PA’s to say something like that? are we talking 50, 100, 200, full season, two seasons, three season?

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

a lot.

see this post.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/4/17/1428394/understanding-small-sample-sizes

if you watched a player everyday, i think you could knock that number down pretty significantly based upon observation.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Sep 7, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should bat lead-off.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to bring in any rainclouds but,

Jim Thome on the Der Twain hurts again and again and again.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Eh, Thome's back is just one mighty swing from the DL...no worries.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Just like it was at the start of the season.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Thome talk is nonsense

The fact that he is having an outstanding year for the Twinkies, in no way means he’d be having an outstanding year for the Sox…too many variables in baseball.

So, let’s all just let it go.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

if he was on the white sox

he wouldn’t be having an outstanding year for the twins.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like on Saturday when Farmer said something like, "Thome wouldn't even be having this year if not for Morneau."

Worst argument in the history of the world.
But at least someone subscribes to Ozzie’s bullshit logic.

a pahtty-maathed Pahrt Slot Cahnt of a wahtress

by homesickalien on Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rongey said the same thing

Like its a stretch this man can hit a baseball if he had signed with a different team as a DH……..

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard that too.

Like the Twins got lucky when Morneau got hurt. They were >thisclose< to having Thome on their bench for no good reason at all. Who would look stupid THEN (with a healthy MVP in their lineup)?

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

They thought I was an idiot...but I proved them!

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soon the cold winds will blow across Target Field

Causing tight backs in old sluggers…no worries.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly his .864 OPS last year was shitty.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

not to mentioned I would have settled for a little avg year from Thome for

1.7 million

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this game on WCIU tonight?

Also the games were blacked out in Madison Wisconsin… weird shit

by 815Sox on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Not enough people from Madison going to the game.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, the Sox are on "The U" and man, am I disappointed

I’m missing out on the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Martin and Cheaters…dangummit!

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

my god. you have somehow forgotten

GEORGE FUCKING LOPEZ

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Double Dangummit!

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tonight - we get Wimpy and Stoney.

I like.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

A breath of fresh air!

When the going gets tough, the tough get optimistic

by Rhubarb on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Hawk tonight? Do you have a link on this news item?

I always liked Wimpy, but I won’t hear him because MLB Extra Innings on DirecTV doesn’t pick up the White Sox feed on games broadcast on the U. So, it’s Tigers announcers for me.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, they said it on comcast yesterday, i think.

if you didn’t hear it a half dozen times, hawk’s brother in law died on monday.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Missed yesterday’s telecast. Certain institutions in Virginia don’t celebrate Labor Day, including the one that I work for. Welcome to the South.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

They don't believe in labor?

Or….they DO believe in labor? But too much belief?

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The south believed in a certain kind of labor.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The company stores were open yesterday.

But not on… Sunday.

"'Over'? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!"

by rubberbiscuit on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once upon a time, but now

we got Wal-Mart (two of them as a matter of fact). Now that’s progress.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I live in a "certified business location," which is

a fancy way of saying a low-wage, anti-union community. The region’s anti-unionism, veneration of all things Confederate, and historic opposition to civil rights all go hand in hand.

Enough of the politics and history. I come here to escape that stuff.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here, have a drink!

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, thanks.

Whoops, local option county, no alcohol to be found except up in the hollers. Ok, enough. I exaggerate a bit.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

* for steve stone.

so paciorek and thomas. that should be interesting.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

no doubt about it

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

who is Wimpy?

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

never heard of him

does he like burgers?

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

very much so

but he never has the money to pay for them

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Sep 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was midsentence on a similar statement

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, he does. . . which I believe is the source of his nickname.

He partnered with Hawk for some 10 seasons in the White Sox broadcast booth in the 1990s.

by VAChisox on Sep 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He likes burgers

but doesn’t like playing with his uncle’s pecker. Or at least he says so now.

by Gentleman Jim on Sep 7, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

sale most definitely struck out inge looking on a slider, not a fastball.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

in the same vein

manny did not reach 2nd base in the 10th inning on a throwing error. it was a fielding error.
just trying to help…….; )

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Sep 7, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Noted.

a pahtty-maathed Pahrt Slot Cahnt of a wahtress

by homesickalien on Sep 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey I appreciate the attempt.

Tell BM he can do it himself!

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

except a new thread?

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank god for the replay

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Sep 7, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

After I finish lunch

"Because he's a (bleeping, bleep), that's what he is," Guillen said at the time of West (after Buehrle and Guillen ejected because of the balks) FUCK YOU JOE WEST
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by chisoxfan1473 on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

begining of this year i thought we'd maybe have something in Torres.

I think he’s made it pretty clear this year, that he is not much more than a AAA starter

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Return of the

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

How unlikely is Chris Sale?
Sale’s a good story. But my guess is there are a lot of college starters who could make a fairly immediate splash in the minors. They don’t because college starters drafted in the first round — the most talented young pitchers that anyone can identify — next become professional starters rather than professional relievers.

But if you can throw 95 miles an hour with reasonable control, you don’t need a great deal else. Sale’s been pitching for many years. The Dodgers have this kid, Kenley Jansen, who was a catcher until last summer. But he couldn’t hit and he was 6-feet-6 and he could throw really hard, so the Dodgers made him a pitcher. This year in the minors he struck out 78 hitters in 45 innings, and he’s essentially done the same thing since joining the big club six weeks ago.

The dirty little secret about relief pitching is that there are many hundreds of pitchers in professional baseball, right now, who could be excellent relievers in the major leagues right now. The great majority of them are starters.

If teams had 30-man rosters, everybody would have 15- or 16-man pitching staffs, and starting pitchers as we know them would become mostly extinct. Instead, we might see the “starter” go two innings and be followed in quick succession by four or five “relievers,” with everyone throwing mid-90s fastballs and impossible breaking stuff.

Baseball’s not easy. I can’t throw 70 anymore. But there are scads of big boys on this earth who can throw 95 for an inning or two.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5148/how-unlikely-is-chris-sale

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

seems a bit 'if my auntie was my uncle'

If teams had 30 man rosters – but they don’t do they

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This seems like some pretty fuzzy logic

What happens to all these could-be-relievers? They certainly aren’t all making it to the majors as starters. And if a pitcher levels off in the minors as a starter, but still has a live fastball, wouldn’t it be common sense to give them a shot as a reliever?

I think the part where he does the most hand waving is when he says “reasonable” control. The level of control it takes to get major league hitters out with “reasonable” consistency is pretty high, no?

by CatBrains on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always understood this principal

but feel like authors get carried away with. “Excellent” relievers? ummm okay.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

theres a lot of major league teams with shitty bullpens

someone should tell them about all these guys in the minors who throw 95 with control

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

his point, i think

is that they’re ready right now to do it. as in, if you brought up all the pitchers currently in the minors who are capable of relieving, it would be in the hundreds. i think that’s overstating it some but there are plenty of one or two pitch pitchers teams try to make into starters (for reasons that are obvious).

not infrequently, such players spend four years in the minors and hurt themselves and career over. that’s one thing that happens. some will argue that doing this also screws up their progress and they don’t become relievers because of this wasted time (i don’t buy this). some eventually become relievers, of course. most just weren’t good enough in any event.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

his point is mostly correct

and i do think we’ll move toward that kind of equilibrium. the replacement level reliever in the majors has a 4.40 ERA. average starters are at 4.5. the first time through the lineup, the average starter is probably better…but after that? it becomes an issue of how many arms you have. if you had 14 pitchers who could throw 110 IP (say 55 2IP appearances), you could be awfully cheap about it.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

your generation just keeps coddling pitchers.

Stop crying, go out there and pitch. Period. When I was 12, my arm hurt. When I was in my teens and I would throw and walk off the mound when I was a starter, my arm would throb. I couldn’t even hold a glass of water. And you know what? I loved it. I was so sick, I loved it, ‘cause I felt okay, I’m throwing hard enough to make my arm shake when I’m just standing there.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that you, Dibbs?

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Sep 7, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the sox ever have a shit rotation in the future, i hope they try this

probably not with buerle danks floyd peavy jackson though

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If teams had 30-man rosters, everybody would have 15- or 16-man pitching staffs"

that’s like ozzie’s wet dream

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and if you make all these starters excellent relievers

who is going to do the starting?

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

one of the relievers.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Sep 7, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

just you guys watch

someones gonna put together a pitching staff of 12 guys with 4 sets of 3 scheduled relievers, who will all pitch 3 innings of the game. probably a couple decades off, though

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

something like this is coming, probably the next evolution of baseball pitching staffs. A couple decades off sounds about right.

by Gentleman Jim on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i miss paulie

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll take this

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie's patented "One Extra Day of Rest" for Paulie?

I’m definitely cool with that. We need him for the rest of the year, can’t have any lingering issue.

by CatBrains on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

decent

Rest up, Paulie, we’ll need you when Twinn come to town

"Because he's a (bleeping, bleep), that's what he is," Guillen said at the time of West (after Buehrle and Guillen ejected because of the balks) FUCK YOU JOE WEST
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by chisoxfan1473 on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh, disagree with all comments above.

We’re facing Verlander, we can afford to rest Paulie tomorrow, not tonight. We might need him. Rest him against Bonderman.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it's back stiffness, i think further aggravation could potentially sideline much longer than 1 game

herm was pretty good at handling jim thome, so i trust they’re doing what’s best with kong

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Paulie's slash line vs. Verlander: .118/.211/.118.

Humorously, Kotsay’s is .118/.167/.118.

In other words, neither one of them hit the guy, might as well rest the important/hurt one.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, me too. I was pretty shocked to read that.

Looks like it’s been AJ doing a lot of the damage against him in their encounters.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i always remember the sox doing well against him

outside of the blue jays, who have OPS’d 900 against him in 5 starts, the sox fair the best of AL clubs. by far the best in the division, over his career. despite the sox woeful .261 BABIP against him.

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

sox OPS 750, btw

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

last thing I want is a dude with a stiff back

chasing a 98-99 mph fastball

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like the Twins will have...eventually.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lexi very good this season

when up against his competition

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

rios also stacks

well in the AL

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 7, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

how old is his son?

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry,

He’ll make sure one of his cronies takes his spot until his next ancestor is ready.

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You probably mean his next descendent.

While the dead can vote in Chicago, I do not think we are allowed to elect dead candidates.

by stanfordron on Sep 7, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, yes. That.

No zombie mayor?

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

almost an identical run to his old man

21+ years

MannyTheTorpedoes: the dotcher place me on wavers
/waves at passing car

by e-gus on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Machine politics symmetry

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll beat his dad

J. Daley – April 1955 to December 1976 21 years, 8 months.

M. Daley – April 1989 to April 2011 – 22 years.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is he dead?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks phil rogers

Since spring training we’ve speculated about a chain reaction in which Fredi Gonzalez goes to Atlanta, Ozzie Guillen goes to Florida and La Russa comes to the White Sox, to finish his managerial career where it began. The possibilities remain.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Sep 7, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

What a bag of dicks Phil Rogers is.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I always have respected LaRussa's hair.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't I know it!

Oh wait…crap.

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 7, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

man, consort was great. dad always used that.

i remember making myself an armored shell on picture days.

by Trooper on Sep 7, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

laughable

ha HA. who the hell is this “we” that has been speculating?does larussa really give a shit about he place he worked 25 years ago? why would ozzie go to the MARLINS of all places? he’s a bobby cox disciple too, mind you. i’m sure rogers knew fredi would get fired, as well.

this is an amazing bag of horseshit. just top notch. not quite his offseason evaluation method, but good.

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS JUST IN: OZZIE GUILLEN TO RUN FOR MAYOR OF CHICAGO
Next mayor well why not me lol.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Sep 7, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to tell what he was getting at here....
I hope am in chicago as long as you were mayor.

a pahtty-maathed Pahrt Slot Cahnt of a wahtress

by homesickalien on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy but

A man who treats buying $50k worth of sneakers as chump change should not be entrusted with the public treasury

by moroots on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worked fine for the Marcos'

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beckham scratched, Teahen at 3B, Vizquel at 2B

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Sep 7, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

God dammit.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cowley:
Beckham said the pain is jumping around and today is the worst it’s felt in three days. They may have to look at it again.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well if we have a close lead late

we might get our first glimpse of Morel’s slick fielding. Bright side, guys!

by CatBrains on Sep 7, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I smell a "hairline fracture" story coming our way.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Sep 7, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

they were doing very well until last month.

castro, teahen, peavy, thornton, putz, threets…did i miss anyone?

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

dang

even the best end up with the equivalent of a half-season of a starter on the mend?

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Sep 7, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

if there's a team that doesn't

they probably ran away with their division. that is the primary reason why i object (and objected prior to this season) with comparisons to the 2005 staff. teams don’t have starting pitching that stays healthy for the whole season. and, when they don’t, it usually isn’t your fifth starter who goes down.

i half-jokingly projected MB to only pitch something like 100 innings in tango’s preseason poll. wasn’t necessarily because i thought he’d be the one to go down but because it’s likely that one of the starters was going to go down and, since the white sox top four are all relatively close in terms of projections, just pick one.

by larry on Sep 7, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no no no no!

OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Sep 7, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping the Moist One can keep 'em close.

"Sarcastic little bitch. I’m gonna marry her just to make her miserable." - South Side Expat

by RWShow on Sep 7, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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