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White Sox LOOGYs: A five-year headache

Toward the end of his White Sox career, I started feeling a little bit bad for Randy Williams. We all know he was terrible. In fact -- White Sox Outsider 2011 spoiler alert! -- Williams had the highest WHIP in White Sox history among all pitchers who threw 25 innings.

But I couldn't help but empathize for Williams. Maybe it's the recency talking, but Williams took a lot of heat for suffering the same fate of nearly all White Sox LOOGYs since Neal Cotts' pixie dust ran out. He completed the voyage of a South Side Second Lefty, and for those who aren't already overqualified, it's a journey that can only end in shame.

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Williams once played the role of "somebody" for Aaron Poreda. After two good months and two I'm-glad-I-snuck-in-this-flask months, Williams was replaced by another "somebody" in the form of Erick Threets. The somebodies are most often quickly revealed to be nobodies, which tends to happen when major-league GMs try shopping at the Dollar 50 Cents Store. Garbage in, garbage out, as the saying goes.

This time, the Sox actually acquired a true somebody to fill the roster spot behind Matt Thornton. Will Ohman isn't the cat's pajamas, but he has a history of retiring major-league left-handed hitters, and that's a start. He also stands a very reasonable shot at being the best second lefty the Sox had since Cotts. It's the equivalent of climbing Mount Trashmore, but it's a start.

Below, I've ranked the 11 pitchers the White Sox have used with the primary purpose of retiring left-handed hitters in Cotts' wake, and you might be surprised by how well Williams did ... relatively speaking. And best yet, you can rank 'em in this survey, too!

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1. Chris Sale (Aug. 2010)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2010 21 CHW AL 2 1 1.93 21 0 8 4 23.1 15 5 5 2 10 0 32 0 229 1.071 5.8 0.8 3.9 12.3 3.20
1 Season 2 1 1.93 21 0 8 4 23.1 15 5 5 2 10 0 32 0 229 1.071 5.8 0.8 3.9 12.3 3.20

 

Succeeded: Erick Threets

Redeeming points: Sale made Joe Mauer soil himself.

What was his problem? Quickly outgrew his role; he's too good to be second fiddle to any southpaw; his future should be in the rotation at some point.

Succeeded by: Undetermined

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2. Clayton Richard (Aug. 2008 - May 2009)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2008 24 CHW AL 2 5 6.04 13 8 0 0 47.2 61 37 32 5 13 2 29 0 76 1.552 11.5 0.9 2.5 5.5 2.23
2009 25 CHW AL 4 3 4.65 26 14 1 0 89.0 94 50 46 10 37 0 66 3 101 1.472 9.5 1.0 3.7 6.7 1.78
CHW (2 yrs) 6 8 5.14 39 22 1 0 136.2 155 87 78 15 50 2 95 3 91 1.500 10.2 1.0 3.3 6.3 1.90

Succeeded: Boone Logan

Redeeming points: Tough on lefties, but good enough to face righties as long as the game wasn't riding on it; able to work multiple innings.

What was his problem? He was better than a LOOGY from the start; got a second shot at starting and staked a claim in the rotation, first in Chicago, and then in San Diego.

Succeeded by: Aaron Poreda

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3. Erick Threets (June 2010 - July 2010; Aug. 2010)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2010 28 CHW AL 0 0 0.00 11 0 0 12.1 9 1 0 0 3 0 6 0 0.973 6.6 0.0 2.2 4.4 2.00
CHW (1 yr) 0 0 0.00 11 0 0 12.1 9 1 0 0 3 0 6 0 0.973 6.6 0.0 2.2 4.4 2.00

 

Succeeded: Randy Williams

Redeeming points: Aside from committing a three-base error on an errant pickoff throw that resulted in his only unearned run, Threets did everything asked of him.

What was his problem? Health. An arm injury prevented him from replacing Randy Williams earlier in the season, and then a torn UCL ended his White Sox career.

Succeeded by: Will Ohman

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4. Boone Logan (April 2006 - May 2006; Sept. 2006 - Aug. 2008; Sept. 2008)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2006 21 CHW AL 0 0 8.31 21 0 4 1 17.1 21 18 16 2 15 2 15 3 58 2.077 10.9 1.0 7.8 7.8 1.00
2007 22 CHW AL 2 1 4.97 68 0 13 0 50.2 59 30 28 7 20 3 35 0 95 1.559 10.5 1.2 3.6 6.2 1.75
2008 23 CHW AL 2 3 5.95 55 0 12 0 42.1 57 31 28 7 14 3 42 1 77 1.677 12.1 1.5 3.0 8.9 3.00
CHW (3 yrs) 4 4 5.87 144 0 29 1 110.1 137 79 72 16 49 8 92 4 80 1.686 11.2 1.3 4.0 7.5 1.88

Succeeded: Damaso Marte, Andy Sisco, Mike Myers

Redeeming points: Logan had the best stuff of any Sox LOOGY, and he maximized his potential during a 36-game run to start his 2008 season.

What was his problem? He was famously rushed from High-A to the big leagues when he impressed Sox coaches in an open LOOGY audition during spring training, and never fully developed; crashed and burned big-time after that aforementioned 36-game stretch.

Succeeded by: Neal Cotts, Andy Sisco, Mike Myers, Horacio Ramirez

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5. Randy Williams (July 2009 - July 2010)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2009 33 CHW AL 0 1 4.58 25 0 6 0 17.2 13 9 9 2 12 4 22 3 104 1.415 6.6 1.0 6.1 11.2 1.83
2010 34 CHW AL 0 1 5.40 27 0 2 0 25.0 37 17 15 2 21 6 22 3 82 2.320 13.3 0.7 7.6 7.9 1.05
CHW (2 yrs) 0 2 5.06 52 0 8 0 42.2 50 26 24 4 33 10 44 6 90 1.945 10.5 0.8 7.0 9.3 1.33

 

Succeeded: Aaron Poreda

Redeeming points: Williams succeeded in nine of 10 LOOGY-type situations in 2009, and earned his encore with a scoreless, walk-less spring training.

What was his problem? He showed while he was a journeyman with that franchise-worst WHIP in 2010, thanks in large part to Ozzie Guillen overusing him against righties.

Succeeded by: Erick Threets

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6. Aaron Poreda (June 2009 - July 2009)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2009 22 CHW AL 1 0 2.45 10 0 5 0 11.0 9 3 3 0 8 1 12 1 197 1.545 7.4 0.0 6.5 9.8 1.50
CHW (1 yr) 1 0 2.45 10 0 5 0 11.0 9 3 3 0 8 1 12 1 197 1.545 7.4 0.0 6.5 9.8 1.50

 

Succeeded: Jimmy Gobble

Redeeming points: Had a great fastball and had strikeout stuff, and picked up the win with a scoreless inning in his only high-leverage appearance in a White Sox uniform; good enough to be a main part in the Jake Peavy trade.

What was his problem? Control, and the lack of a second pitch; as wild as he was in Chicago, he's been way, way worse with the Padres.

Succeeded by: Randy Williams

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7. Andy Sisco (April 2007 - May 2007)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2007 24 CHW AL 0 1 8.36 19 0 6 0 14.0 19 13 13 2 11 0 13 1 57 2.143 12.2 1.3 7.1 8.4 1.18
CHW (1 yr) 0 1 8.36 19 0 6 0 14.0 19 13 13 2 11 0 13 1 57 2.143 12.2 1.3 7.1 8.4 1.18

Succeeded: Boone Logan.

Redeeming points: Sisco had a superficially successful April, and even with his subsequent struggles, he wasn't awful against lefties; comically large.

What was his problem? He cratered in May, and righties posted a .513 OBP against him; never could recover in Charlotte, and then underwent Tommy John surgery; former Royal.

Succeeded by: Boone Logan

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8. Jimmy Gobble (May 2009 - July 2009)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2009 27 CHW AL 0 0 7.50 12 0 3 0 12.0 14 10 10 3 7 1 10 2 64 1.750 10.5 2.3 5.3 7.5 1.43
CHW (1 yr) 0 0 7.50 12 0 3 0 12.0 14 10 10 3 7 1 10 2 64 1.750 10.5 2.3 5.3 7.5 1.43

 

Succeeded: Clayton Richard

Redeeming points: Lefties only hit .227 off Gobble; comical surname.

What was his problem? He faced more righties than lefties thanks to Guillen's usage of him, and righties were the equivalent of Albert Pujols; also a former Royal.

Succeeded by: Wes Whisler

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9. Wes Whisler (June 2009)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2009 26 CHW AL 0 0 13.50 3 0 2 0 1.1 0 2 2 0 3 0 2 0 43 2.250 0.0 0.0 20.3 13.5 0.67
1 Season 0 0 13.50 3 0 2 0 1.1 0 2 2 0 3 0 2 0 43 2.250 0.0 0.0 20.3 13.5 0.67

 

 

 

Succeeded: Jimmy Gobble

Redeeming points: Whisler held hitters to a .000 average.

What was his problem? He threw only 11 of his 30 big-league pitches for strikes; the least-talented pitcher of anybody on this list.

Succeeded by: Aaron Poreda

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10. Mike Myers (Aug. 2007 - Sept. 2007)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2007 38 CHW AL 1 0 11.20 17 0 3 0 13.2 21 19 17 3 7 2 6 1 43 2.049 13.8 2.0 4.6 4.0 0.86
CHW (1 yr) 1 0 11.20 17 0 3 0 13.2 21 19 17 3 7 2 6 1 43 2.049 13.8 2.0 4.6 4.0 0.86

 

Succeeded: Boone Logan

Redeeming points: The season was in ashes by the time Myers arrived to the scene; once again, he wasn't awful against lefties (.250 BAA, .250 SLG).

What was his problem? He was at the end of his career; faced as many righties as lefties, and righties murdered him (.452 BAA, 839 SLG). Sound familiar?

Succeeded by: Boone Logan

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11. Horacio Ramirez (Aug. 2008 - Sept. 2008)

Year Age Tm Lg W L ERA G GS GF SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP WP ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2008 28 CHW AL 0 3 7.62 17 0 3 0 13.0 24 11 11 0 8 1 2 0 1 62 2.462 16.6 0.0 5.5 1.4 0.25
CHW (1 yr) 0 3 7.62 17 0 3 0 13.0 24 11 11 0 8 1 2 0 1 62 2.462 16.6 0.0 5.5 1.4 0.25

Succeeded: Boone Logan

Redeeming points: None.

What was his problem? Most specifically, lefties hit .500/.594/.538 in 33 plate appearances off Ramirez; also a former Royal.

Succeeded by: Clayton Richard

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So that's the bad news, and that's why Will Ohman just signed the biggest contract of his life.

The good news is that Ohman is the first real investment the Sox have made in their fight against left-handed hitters. Andy Sisco cost more than anybody, and the Sox only lost the services of Ross Gload, who was a player I liked, but replaceable. It's unprecedented, which may mean Ohman will find a different course than his similarly handed predecessors.

And if nothing else, doesn't this make you appreciate Matt Thornton just a little bit more?

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"and that's why Will Ohman just signed the biggest contract of his life."

But he doesn’t sound any better against righties than anyone previous, which was most of their downfalls.

The problem is Guillen needs to learn how to use his LOOGYs properly.

by striker on Jan 12, 2011 7:30 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Well, some couldn't get lefties out, either,

or do it in a predictable manner. He at least has more than a 2.5 month history going for him.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 12, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Basically, yup.

But the selling point with Ohman is he doesn’t have the walk issues.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 12, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

this all tells me that they shouldn't have traded damaso marte for rob mackowiak.

i know most of you hated him in 2005 but he was pretty solid up until august of that year.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 12, 2011 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

Yep, I hated him in 2005.

But at least he was still worth 0.7 WAR in spite of that 1.721 WHIP.

"And he rips one into left! Konerko, grand slam!" —Joe Buck, 23 Oct 2005. Yes, I have had the date wrong for this long.

by mikecws91 on Jan 12, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

2005 proved he couldn't be trusted

He was great in 03 and 04, but 05 was a train wreck and Ozzie could no longer put him in high leverage situations, especially after he shit the bed in game 3 vs. Boston

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby

by moroots on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

But what a cleanup of that shit bed followed

and what a terrible way to think about that masterful memorable Duque performance.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 12, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

hey now, that's not exactly what I remember game 3 vs. boston for

but someone did set the stage for El Duque

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby

by moroots on Jan 12, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He did get the win in WS game 3

iirc he struck someone out on three straight curveballs

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Jan 12, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

those stick men are right handed.

"This is for all the Tostitos." - Brent Musberger

by e-gus on Jan 12, 2011 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

Thus they don't understand the plight of the LOOGY.

"And he rips one into left! Konerko, grand slam!" —Joe Buck, 23 Oct 2005. Yes, I have had the date wrong for this long.

by mikecws91 on Jan 12, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think those stick men are LOOGYs...

I think they’re right-handed, fist-shaking, disgruntled fans.

by There's a Salty Dog Here As Well on Jan 12, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved Jimmy Gobble

when he was a Royal, and would come into the game, promptly get pounded in the hiney, and depart. It was like Christmas.

"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."

by RWShow on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

i've had a headache for 25 years...

ever since jerry don gleaton started serving up gofer balls

by Hatchetm on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

"I'm sure you did the best you could."

Haha, thank you for the words of encouragement.

It felt like I was picking which finger to cut off next towards the end of that survey.

by jimmyjr on Jan 12, 2011 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

The title of this piece reminded me of the great SSE line:

“I’m tired, I’ve got a headache, my bullpen blew it.”

"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."

by RWShow on Jan 12, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

I liked the (replaceable) Gload too

And FOG. I know everyone disses Raaannnnndy!!! on here but he could get left handed batters out before he was ruined.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 12, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

Is it just me (my screen/browser settings) or are there format issues with the text wrapping around the boxes?

Just a minor quibble.

I enjoyed the read. Jim, how did you rank the LOOGYs?

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 12, 2011 6:35 PM CST reply actions  

I tested it in three browsers before posting

But if others are having issues, let me know.

I ranked them with my gut.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 12, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand you're new here but we don't use our gut at sss.

In God we trust but everyone else better have data.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 12, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

i didn't examine the data closely.

i used a combination of my eyes and my failing memory.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Jan 12, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I ranked them all

but would have preferred to stop after two, maybe three.

"This is for all the Tostitos." - Brent Musberger

by e-gus on Jan 12, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I use Chrome. The text just wraps around the player's stats in some areas, and doesn't in others.

No biggie. Probably shouldn’t have mentioned it.

It almost appears as if you ranked them loosely by SO/BB ratio.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 12, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i voted clayton richard third

but if i knew the opposing team would be bunting i would rank him last.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Jan 12, 2011 7:10 PM CST reply actions  

It astounded me, how bad he was at making the most routine throws to first.

"And he rips one into left! Konerko, grand slam!" —Joe Buck, 23 Oct 2005. Yes, I have had the date wrong for this long.

by mikecws91 on Jan 13, 2011 3:25 AM CST up reply actions  

When can we pore over the results of this survey?

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 12, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions  

That was a shame about Threets

Didn’t he say something right before getting injured that if he got injured again, he was going to hang it up? What a bummer that must have been, not only getting hurt but in the middle of a pennant race when the team needed him.

I like the move signing Ohman because it’s some insurance against a repeat of last year, with Thornton, Putz etc. all getting injured basically at the same time.

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby

by moroots on Jan 12, 2011 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

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