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All in, all aboard: Danks, Pena, Quentin sign

Good ol' SoxFest provided the impetus to strike deals once again, as the White Sox resolved all their remaining arbitration cases in one fell swoop on Tuesday. The damage (2010 salary in parentheses):

  • John Danks: $6 million ($3.45 million)
  • Carlos Quentin: $5.05 million ($3.2 million)
  • Tony Pena: $1.6 million ($1.2 million)

With those salaries on the books, the Sox have committed a record $124 million to the 2011 payroll -- and that's before all the league-minimum deals get worked out. That's a $20 million increase over 2010. Giddyup.

We all know Danks has benefited by not accepting long-term deals in either of the last two offseasons. Jon Lester has served as a popular comparison for determining the cost of locking up a young, talented lefty (five years, $30 million back in 2009). However, for the first time, Danks is set to earn more than Lester, who will make "only" $5.75 million in 2011.

But oddly enough, Quentin also came out ahead. Back when Gavin Floyd signed his four-year, $16 million extension in March of 2009, Kenny Williams floated the same deal to Danks and Quentin. At the time, it didn't make sense for either to accept it, but after watching Quentin struggle through the past two seasons, I figured he made the wrong decision.

Nope. He's $50,000 ahead on Floyd for 2011. And that just underscores why the Sox will have to be blown away to part with their BHB.

Star-divide

It doesn't sound like Danks is any rush to commit to a multi-year deal. From the above Scott Merkin article:

"We are all happy," Danks said. "I'm here, and there isn't really a need for them to do that. I'm really not sweating it. They have to do what they have to do, but everyone knows I'm extremely happy with where I'm at and I'm extremely happy here in Chicago."

The one-year contract doesn't eliminate the possibility of a long-term deal before the season starts, because Floyd overwrote his one-year deal when he signed the four-year contract on March 22, 2009. I'd call the prospect unlikely, though. With two rotation spots up in the air after the season and Chris Sale's future uncertain, the Sox might want to figure out where they stand with their other two lefties before going hard after Danks.

Star-divide

While the Sox were busy adding Danks' name to the SoxFest lineup, Philip Humber snuck onto the 40-man roster, as the Sox claimed him from Oakland.

At one point in his career, Humber was hyped enough to become either the No. 1 or No. 1(a) piece in the four-player package the New York Mets sent to Minnesota for Johan Santana. Fortunately for the Sox, neither he nor Carlos Gomez panned out.

Now, he's just another former Royal, and the White Sox will once again try to make a man out of one. Given the way the Sox pounded him the both times they saw him (Aug. 21 and Sept. 12), I wouldn't bet on him contributing. His fastball isn't as fast as it used to be, and when he faced the Sox, he basically alternated sharp curves with rollers.

The 40-man roster now stands at 38.

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Isn’t there something about no more cheesy animated gifs? You’re killing my bandwidth.

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 6:45 AM CST reply actions  

Perhaps a little back story is in order

I posted this pic of Roberto Alomar’s skanky wife when he was front paged on the HOF stuff a few weeks. Which I felt was relevant, he’s been rumored to be gay and to quell the shots at his machismo he went out and married this woman who’s known as “The Paris Hilton of Puerto Rico”. So of course she sues him within six months of marriage for exposing him to AIDS blah blah blah. But it wasn’t gratuitous like a mick10 or hoodie tit shot, as I say it was germaine – of journalistic import IMO.

Within 60 seconds my post is deleted. Then I get an anonymous pop-up on my screen saying either I agree to never do this again or banishment next time. I’m still waiting for the fucking coward who sent that to step up.

So apparently Jim or his mods wants to be Al Yellon. Fuck that, I don’t react well to threats especially when they’re given anonymously like a bitch. So either apologize or banish my ass.

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

there is an explicit "no skanks" rule

past that, you’ve got the relevant email addresses right?

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Roberto Alomar's wife

She’s a golddigger, he posted two photos on two front page posts with her sitting next to him. If you do a gis of her she’s half naked in all of them

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

there's an obvious difference between the one you found

and the ones on the FP. namely: it violates the aforementioned no skanks policy.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

So if I have another lapse in judgement

the next time it’s banishment. Fuck that bullshit. Get it over with and banish me now, or fucking apologize for being such an asshole. I’ve been posting her four fucking years. If there’s a personality conflict deal with it. If you can’t deal with it then get it over with and banish me now.

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

personal attack

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a judgement call

Was it a gratuitious skank photo, or germaine to the news and the article? Way out of line to threaten banishment over something that trivial.

That’s Al Yellon bullshit, which it was said wouldn’t be the rule around here.

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a serious question, but forgive my ignorance:

what counts as a skanky photo? Obviously underwear, etc, but I posted a pic of the cartoon Pocohontas a few weeks ago. It wasn’t meant to be skanky and it was from a kids movie, but was still classified as ‘sexy lady pic.’ Where is the ‘sexy lady’ line?

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Would you want the photo up on your screen...

when your prudish female boss pops into your cubicle to discuss a mistake you made?

Seriously, the photos on the front page the day of HOF announcements weren’t “skanky”. Bikini shots, exposed midrifs – skanky.

by TasteeFreeze on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about the front page pics

If I remember correctly she was wearing a shirt and pants without a remarkable amount of cleavage. Though she may be a skank, that wasn’t a skanky picture

by joewho112 on Jan 19, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

it was too big

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh stop.

You know the rules.

I got warned about discussing alternate lifestyles, and stopped. It was fun the way the place used to be a free-for-all, but all things overly fun must come to an end.

They want expanded readership, here, and that means getting pre-pubescent tweens reading and posting, and getting guys to follow conversations from work.

Posting bikini-skank shots are anathema to those two demographics.

by TasteeFreeze on Jan 19, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

What do you react well to?

What does it matter who sent it? Geez Pete just abide by the rules man.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to sit here quietly and scolded like a bitch

whenever I do something you don’t like. Fuck that bullshit.

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Why are you on "10?"

Why is a reprimand a challenge to your manhood? Its a new day brother. Change.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Banish me now

New rules, new straw bosses – flex your muscles!

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

we've now lost both of our zubaz enthusiasts

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

CP = Captain Carnage

Tdogg = Nite Owl

larry = Rorschach

Most enjoyable distraction

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 19, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Good Lord

Thank you.

It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.

by SonOfCron on Jan 19, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

this whole exchange

reminded me of Dr. Manhattan (larry) blowing up Rorschach (ChicagoPete) because he couldn’t keep what Ozymandias (Jim) had done a secret / couldn’t live in the new, altered world. I am a dork.

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Jan 20, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

that was the conflict i thought of as well

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, now.

That goes without saying. He is a fan of the inkwell. And he likes to vote in Iraq.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

"I never saw that war refugee"

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 20, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

this whole exchange

reminded me of Dr. Manhattan (larry) blowing up Rorschach (ChicagoPete) because he couldn’t keep what Ozymandias (Jim) had done a secret / couldn’t live in the new, altered world. I am a dork.

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Jan 20, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

=====||||

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh crap.... I forgot to resize. Don't ban me bro!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm usually pretty good about it. I just got too excited.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

man, nearly 7000 comments,

and no concept of how things work round here.

by craigws on Jan 19, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Pete.

An anonymous reprimand from larry or whomever that doesn’t even address the problem is horseshit and chickenshit. I’ve complained about this as well.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 19, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

There was talk of having each warning be followed by the following tagline-

“I’m (larry), and I approve this message,” But that just seemed too much like politics.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You would.

What I don’t understand is this concept of “chickenshit” as if it’s somehow cowardly to send a reprimand for inappropriate content on a baseball website.

You’re grown men (and 3 or 4 women) why let this bother you so much? If you don’t like it, blog elsewhere.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jan 19, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Do you think commenting on a blog entitles you to a hand delivered note? Get over yourself.

by joewho112 on Jan 19, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

perhaps i will

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 19, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Liar.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

no kidding, like where, sox talk?

does sox talk still exist?

or comments section in chicagosports?

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jan 20, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

we're the only game in town

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

And out of town.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

i do love that only one of the main five is actually in the chicagoland area

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, show 'em!

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

you wouldn't.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 19, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

All about street cred

Can’t be getting punked by “pop” up text boxes.

That’s bullshit.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

these folks who are getting easily irritated over the new rules, almost irrationally, need to grow up

i’m sure all the macho bs was one of the obstacles for bringing attracting new subscribers who want to participate..

i’ll miss the old SSS, but damn it was like the wild west at times

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jan 20, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

lol. bunch of faceless Ashton Kutchers running this site

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

this

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jan 20, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

This

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 20, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

"An anonymous reprimand from larry or whomever that doesn’t even address the problem"

My guess is if “you” receive a reprimand

“you” probably are the problem.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

a warning from a specific mod/editor allows a person to hold a grudge, and only fuels additional vitriol.

Besides, it could have come from any of those moderating rat bastards, and in Pete’s case, probably came from several.

"got me to thinking about - well - juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole of course"- HSA

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 19, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

all 4 of em!

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

7000 comments

 and i remember like 4 of them. (all from today which will be forgotten by tomorrow). At least WTGTD made an impact for christ sakes.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 20, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Tell the truth everyone, you miss him!
is 2056 when you are actually going to start making money?
“you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own.”
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 14, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up actions

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

That was so random and uncalled for. I love it. Sort of.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the nostalgia.

CP was one of the folks on this site that I thought might actually cut me at a meet-up. Kind of a volatile guy. And with 7000 posts we shoukld have a guest book for signatures.

RIP, Pete, you Benz-driving, Michigan Wolverine loving, India-no-place living, real-estate-investing, wild, volcanic bastard.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

i hope he comes back.

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 20, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Me, too.

I like the action. (Think Gus in “The Natural”.)

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

that was me.

and the warning said nothing about banning. it said “Can’t post NSFW images anymore.” which was informing you of the rules. which you already know.

by larry on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

figures - fucking coward

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

having a screenshot of the aforementioned warning

would really help your argument here pete

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

not a screen shot, but the SBN record of it:

Moderate Event Log
Type Admin Date Blog Message
Warned larry 01/06/11 10:25 AM CST South Side Sox Can’t post NSFW images anymore.

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

what's the popup look like?

hopefully not a box with built in text that says “obey the following message or you’re gonna get banned, bitch!”

by Trooper on Jan 19, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

idk, take a screen shot next time you log in.

YOU’VE BEEN WARNED.

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

getting old quick

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Jan 19, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

The gifs or Pete?

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jan 19, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

CP's fall on his sword shtick

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Jan 19, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

BHB.

Do our new friends need a translation?

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 6:48 AM CST reply actions  

The year was 2008....

…..a young senator from Illinois had a crazy idea that he was going to run for President.

The White Sox, against all odds, confounded prognosticators and found themselves in first place in September.

They were at Yankee Stadium. Gavin Floyd loads the bases. Jason Giambi (who took him deep the previous at-bat) is at the plate. The count goes full. Giambi fouls off a dozen pitches before Gavin retires him with a fantastic curveball.

The Cheat’s gamerecap had this title:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/9/17/615998/gavin-floyd-has-big-hairy

Hence the nickname BHB.

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That was the first time I ever visited this site.

Thanks for the memories. Good times.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

So what led you here? A google search for big hairy balls? ;)

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Literally just googled 'white sox blogs' and this popped up.

oddly enough, the search you mentioned took me to pierzynskirules profile…

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'M TOTALLY KIDDING

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

lol.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, a translation please!

My first post Woooo

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Jan 19, 2011 7:43 AM CST reply actions  

2 things:

1. Hit the reply button when responding to a post. It helps organize our stream of thoughts.
2. “Big Hairy Balls”.
3. Welcome!

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

And of course that was 3 things. Welcome to my malaprops.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Should we provide a translation of OPOS?

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 19, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

do you think gavin has second thoughts on his contract, a la scottie pippen?

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jan 19, 2011 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Ala John Lester?

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

ah, perspective, thanks :)

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

OM NOM NOM NOM

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 7:54 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

That was for Pete

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I love Jawin' Johnny

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Jan 19, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

ONE MORE TIME AND YOU'RE BANNED FUCKER!

"You could see Dunn's home run from Russia!"
by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST

by ChicagoPete on Jan 19, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

You can't ban me... I'm too adorable!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

PENA

I find it hard to believe if the sox didnt give up a prospect for Pena that he would be back this year, 1.6 for a whipping boy, no no no

by Knoxfire30 on Jan 19, 2011 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

Allman fan?

Good man for at least helping me think of “Whipping Post”.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Great song

I think its my favorite Allman’s song actually

by 815Sox on Jan 19, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

i was always partial to melissa. and jessica.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 19, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

and little martha.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Quentin!

You’ve got to be kidding, $5mil for this guy!!! Offer him $4 & go to arbitration if he doesn’t take it!

by soxfan50 on Jan 19, 2011 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think you have really done any comparisons.

Its not like offensively Quentin has sucked.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

He's worth at least $4M. Besides, what's really the difference in $4M and $5M?

In the grand scheme of things… for an extra mill it’s a good choice to make to bring him back. If he’s anywhere at all near 2008 it’s a huge boon. If he’s merely 2009 then he’s roughly being paid what he’s worth. And that’s fine too.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

$1M

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, right. But what's that money going to go towards, realistically, if not to Q?

I’m just sayin’, $1M is not a big enough deal to say no to Q

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

GD'it

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Please show your work, or receive no credit

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby

by moroots on Jan 19, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Finally got my forecaster. A few White Sox hitters
  • Beckham – .272/332/451 (783)
  • Konerko – . 282/362/525 (887)
  • Pierre – . 288/332/346 (678)
  • AJ Pierz – . 277/304/393 (696) Ugh.
  • Carlos – .262/333/500 (833)
  • Alexei – .285/327/440 (767)
  • A Rios – .275/321/452 (772)
  • Dayan – .261/296/475 (771) So basically if this kid can learn to walk look out.
  • Dunn – .254/.367/.528 (895) Washington National forecast.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

Ugh to Pierre

even though its better than last season. which makes me curious, can he match his 2.2 fWAR from last season?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jan 19, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

His real life fielding is no where near as good as his Baseball Manager Online fielding, lemme tell ya.

If BMO has anything to say about it, Pierre’s fielding and range was all smoke and mirrors in 2010.

$9M for a 75 overall player. What a joke.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I wrote that backwards.

But whatever. Tdogg understands what I meant, I think.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

seconded

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

crack is whack, yo.

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by South Side Expat on Jan 19, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Im more concerned about Pierre's OBP

If the team insist on him being 1st he needs to be at .340
.332 we could live with as long as he stops bunting and actually “steals” 2nd like he’s paid to do. Or better yet don’t steal and run the bases well (something he also did well in 2010). He can score from 1st pretty easy.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

i would like to see him steal much less unless he's batting 8th or something

and is Shandler where you’re getting all your alexei’s bat love?

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought my on record love revolved around his glove

It glows.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah but you also give me shit any time i say his career line

is what we should expect from him at the plate.

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by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Forecaster? The Ron Shandler forecaster?

I’m liking what I see, except from Pierre, AJ, and Rios. They’re a little low on Sand Dancer’s AVG and OBP, imo.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

What's wrong with Rios?

That’s probably pretty accurate. We can hope for low .800s its certainly possible.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

It's pretty accurate. Just a little conservative.

He hit over .300 for much of last year until waning off. Finished with .284. His BABIP (.306) was also his lowest aside from his lousy 2009. His career BABIP is .317. I’m expecting a slight rebound. Having Dunn in the lineup with protection is a plus, too.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

He sees him the same as most systems

Two straight years of subpar
may suppress market value,
 but solid xBA, ct%, and rising FB rate make him a nice buy-low candidate.
 Chronic injuries the only impediment to:
 Up: Return to 2008

His BA is always really less than we expect. If he stays on the field and achieves “normal” luck with balls in play we rejoice. Definitely worth a 5 million dollar gamble imo.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

very

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

it's a little bit distressing.

walks are supposed to continue to increase with age.

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by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Everything I've seen thus far seems to think Dunn's OBP is going to continue to decrease

which I don’t understand. Yes, his K rate up up last year, but a ~5% drop in BB% is likely to normalize, correct?

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, save for Bill James.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm guessing most systems independently regress components

meaning that instead of just doing the adjustments for wOBA, you apply individual regressions and age corrections for 1B, 2B, HR, BB, SO, etc. and then come up with a wOBA. i think both K and BB rates increase with age.

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by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess that doesn't really answer your question.

i think it’s more that they’re correcting substantially for his elevated BABIP of the last two seasons. that plus the walk rate he posted last season plus his age is going to show decline.

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by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah. Thanks. I have expected some decline from him, but it's the amount I find surprising.

I have a hard time seeing how a guy who has averaged well over 100 walks 6 of the last 7 years is just going to lose 30 walks. I think he’s gonna walk 300 times.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 19, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

but that's what he did in 2010

fwiw, i ran a quick and dirty marcel on his walk total and got like 94 projected over 650 PA, good for a 14.5% walk rate.

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by colintj on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Some Pitchers
  • -—————IP/H——ERA——Health—-Consistency to Forecast grade
  • Danks – 203/196 -3.86 -A -B
  • Floyd – 189/193 -3.82 -A -A
  • Jackson- 203/211 -4.17 -A -B
  • Buerhle – 210/235 -4.28 – A -A
  • Peavy — 131/116 -3.79 -F -A (Estimating 20 starts)

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

does it give any other stats than ERA and hits?

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

sure what would you like?

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

could we get k/9 and k/bb?

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 19, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep Shandler calls these DOM and Cmd respectively
  • -—————Dom-Cmd
  • Buerhle 4.4 – 2.0
  • Danks 7.0 – 2.3
  • Floyd 7.1 – 2.5
  • Jackson 7.2 – 2.1
  • Peavy 8.3 – 2.9

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

other interesting tidbits

Shandler separates starts into dominant and disaster. Some relevant trends.

Danks split was

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Does DOM stand for domination? If so, that'd be awesome.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 19, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

yes it does

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

can you buy his stuff online in spreadsheet form?

or do you have to buy the book?

"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson

by e-gus on Jan 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't just buy the PDF

Buying the book online gives you the PDF free this year.

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

PDF and spreadsheets that is

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Crap oops

Dom/Disaster

Danks split last year was 63%/9% the extra are blah starts.
John’s Disaster % has gone down in the past 4 years 31 to 21 to 13 to 9%

Floyd’s his cousin (scary how similar they are) 2010 61%/10%
He too has steadily decreased disaster starts 55-30-13-12-10%

Jackson 2010 53%/9% including a second half of 71%/0% Man am I looking forward to a full year of Jackson with Coop!

Buerhle 33%/15% for 2010 in 2008 he was 53%/15% In 2005 try 48%/3%

Peavy last year was 59%/18%

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

For Kenwo

Garcia 2010 39% DOM/ 25% Disaster

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by Tdogg on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

good question.

i’d be interested in knowing that. and what the league average is for the ‘aces’.

by craigws on Jan 19, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yes please

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Jan 19, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I really hope Q pays off

The guy is one of the worst fielders in the league, if he doesn’t hit he is worthless.

by 815Sox on Jan 19, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

JOE!!! CREDE!!!!

Mr. Crede’s found a job in the Mile High City

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jan 19, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Colorado has got money to burn, it seems.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

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