White Sox spring roster gets its filling
Non-roster invitees are usually a collection of has-beens, never-wases and not-yets, but usually one or two players can end up making an impact in the majors later in the year. Three years ago, the Sox took a chance on D.J. Carrasco and his 6.68 ERA for Arizona's Triple-A team, and he became everybody's favorite stirrups model. Last year, Erick Threets was Randy Williams insurance -- lucky him.
That's the reason why I like taking a good hard look at the NRI pile, which includes 14 players this year. That, and the complete lack of other White Sox news. Like I did last year, let's divide them into four groups.
Baby's first spring
I listed this four-pack of prospects in the order of who needs a good spring the most. At the top is Lantern Jaw Junior, who failed to hit at both Double-A and Triple-A. Danks might have the blessing of Buddy Bell due to his defense, but he needs to establish some semblance of offensive momentum. No time like the present.
(Correction: As Larry points out, Danks was invited last year.)
Likewise, it would help if Kyle Bellamy retired a few major-league hitters. He crashed into the wall at Birmingham last season, and that isn't a great sign for a collegiate reliever who relies on deception.
Brandon Short brings up the rear because he's years away, and everybody knows he has to work to do to close the walk-strikeout gap.
I skipped past Miguel Socolovich because his name is the most intriguing -- literally and figuratively. He's a 24-year-old Venezuelan who quietly struck out 30 batters over 26 innings in his first stint at Charlotte last year. Part of the reason why it was quiet is because he also walked 18, and has a history of command issues. Another reason is because the Sox got him from Boston for David Aardsma after the 2007 season in a trade nobody cared about.
He has the advantage of youth over the rest of the NRI relief field, so a great spring could put him on the map and our minor league roundups. At any rate, I'm pulling for him, mainly because I want to hear Hawk Harrelson say "Socolovich," and I want to make personal injury attorney jokes.
Somebody has to catch the pitchers
A lot of eyes will be on Josh Phegley, who had his spleen removed in November in an effort to raise his blood platelet count as he battles ITP. The initial tests were encouraging, so he just needs to get out of Glendale in working order to call his spring a success.
Lest I draw death threats from the Donnyacs, this seems like as good a time as any to remind the nice people that enrolling in the Donny Lucy Fan Club is the world's best way to collect unique and hard-to-find Donny memorabilia for your home, office, and car. And members get the Donny Discount! Details here.
(On an unrelated note, does anybody want to start my truck this morning?)
Live arms and longshots
Charles Leesman is an organizational favorite who could start laying track to the 25-man roster by pitching well in front of Don Cooper, but the Will Ohman signing and Chris Sale's role ambiguities make his left-handedness less necessary in the near future.
The rest of the pack is uninspiring at best. Brian Bruney seems like the best bet to appear in a White Sox uniform at some point in 2011, only because he threw 144 innings for the Yankees over four seasons. But he wasn't good at any point in New York, and he was nothing short of terrible with the Washington Nationals last season. Still, stranger things have happened, as Carrasco would tell you. Nobody else has much potential, although I'm pulling for Shane Lindsay so the Sox can have their first Australian.
Jeff Gray is the only new name of the bunch. He's bounced around the last few seasons, getting a brief appearance with the Cubs. He can get a grounder, but he struggles for strikeouts. Hynick is the only guy who was in the Sox organization last year, and he sits solidly in Jack Egbert Memorial Triple-A Ceiling territory.
Antique road show
What this group lacks is the pitching phenom gone wrong. Two years ago, it was John Van Benschoten. Last year, it was Daniel Cabrera. Both came into camp getting a little bit of ink as possible Coop'll-fix-'em redemption stories. Then reality set in and everybody realized they had nothing.
McPherson is the closest we can get, a 30-year-old minor-league home run king whose balky back and lack of strike-zone judgment prevents him from sticking in the majors. We might get another Brad Eldred experience out of him -- he's brought in for organization depth, hits a ton of homers at Charlotte, and a few people think he should be promoted.
Yesterday's gone
Looking back at least year's non-roster invitees, it's worth noting that three of them aren't back this year -- Jared Mitchell, Miguel Gonzalez and C.J. Retherford, who all suffered through miserable seasons in 2010 for various reasons. If the first two names aren't on the list in 2012, that's not a good sign for the farm system.
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i like Brandon Short...
it seemed every roundup that was done last year had Short with some amazing lines in it. i’m pulling for him.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He's the most interesting name...
on this list since he’s 22 and looks like he has power. If he can improve that, cut down on the Ks, and walk a few more times, the Sox might have something there.
Was he a late addition?
Didn’t see his name in the original releases in past years.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Then I'm an idiot.
Or had “match case” when I was doing CTRL+F. Perhaps both!
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Heh.
Love the self-deprecation.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Last night was a long night.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
25 hours again, eh?
I hear you. (But I can’t see you.)
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
Stop being creepy. Sheesh.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
You are a lunatic.
It was an age reference. Lighten up.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
Oh wait, you made an OPOS joke on yourself?
Nice one. I rate it a 8.5/10.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Out of options
Does anyone know who’s out of options for Spring Training this year??
Invites
Someone tell Jordan Danks to bring a bat to the plate with him, I have been down on this guy for years, sox should have traded him a while ago, kid is joe borchard light.
I think Bruney is definitely gonna get some innings with the big club, he throws hard, big guy, coop is gonna get something out of him. (not much, but he will be in a sox uniform at points in this season)
My eyes are going to be glued to Jared Mitchell this spring. I cant remember the last time I was as disapointed about an injury as when he went down almost a year ago. Kid was special in the college world series I remember feeling so lucky the sox snagged him in the draft before he helped carry LSU in the cws. His stock certainly would have climbed. Fingers crossed his blazing speed is back and he can get himself fast tracked because this system doesnt have much of anything to be excited about in the immediate future.
Non-roster invites
For me these guys (and the first time roster guys) are one of the coolest things in Spring Training. The All American dream ismaking a major league roster!!! I still remember Harold Baines in the 1979 camp. At 19 years old he looked like the best hitter out there!!
I'll see your Harold Baines with a Harry Chappas
and raise you a John Cangelosi. Dave Gallagher was also a fun story while it lasted.
by TasteeFreeze on Jan 20, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
First official day of full time SSS work jim… good luck
by Climbing_up_the_Walls on Jan 20, 2011 8:46 AM CST reply actions
Dig your name long time.
biceps-deep in fungible pumpkins.
by homesickalien on Jan 20, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you have enough appreciation for mine. So I will explain.
Obviously there is the Shoeless Joe reference, as he did hail from SC, like myself.
However, in case it wasn’t obvious, I also chose the name because it kinda resembles Sleepless In Seattle. You know, where you live.
I deserve some cool points. Not sayin’… Just sayin’.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
-5 cool points
"When people call me a homer, that's the biggest compliment that can be made." - Hawk Harrelson
Hey. What the hell is an e-gus anyway?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
personal attack!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
your... face... I got nothin'. You win.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Any updates on Brandon Hynick, particularly his groundball rate?
He had a bad 2010, but if he can keep the ball on the ground he could bounce back from last year’s spike in hits and home runs. His ceiling is Being John Malkovich low, but if he can combine low walks with ground balls in the future, he could be a usable swingman.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
The best thing about Brian Bruney
Is that he would become the first White Sox player who also appeared in 1990’s “Kindergarten Cop”, thus allowing us to pull out the “it’s not a toomah” line in the event of an injury.
Lies!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Thin talent.
Sheesh. Almost painful to pick over these scraps.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
Twins are paying Pavano $18.5 mil over the next two years
I’m sure that ends fantastically.
It's true, I'm a rageaholic. I just can't live without rageahol!
Maybe hitting Konerko in the face will ruin him.
Where he’s afraid to pitch the ball in the direction of home plate.
I can also see the rest of the staff developing empathy wildness.
by TasteeFreeze on Jan 20, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
aww it was actually going to be your first funny one too!
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
he only stopped because he started crying
brought up bad memories of the long ride home after meetup.1.
last chance to go over to the RR and contribute questions for this afternoon's chris sale interview
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Just got done with the conference call.
Chris Sale gave good answers. Central theme: Ready for any role, still sounded blown away to be pitching in the majors so soon.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Various afternoon points of interest:
The March 24th Sox vs Cubs ST game will be on ESPN2 at 4 PM CT.
Being all in apparently doesn’t include a scant $2MM for Andruw Jones.
Ozzie thinks Sale should close, Jackin’ Dayan should get a shot at corner OF, and mentions the Jenks-Oney thing.
Surely there must be a better place to put these.
"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1
by mechanical turk on Jan 20, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions
if jordan danks isn't going to learn how to hit,
he’d be at least a good defensive replacement. (unless we want to sign tony gwynn jr).
and if julius eater works in a corner outfield spot, then that makes up for the lack of andruw’s bat. i hope.
the white sox can't carry a player on their roster whose only skill is defense.
danks is so bad in the other aspects of the game.
i know,
i paid close attention to him and his awfulness once going behind in the count last year.
not that i think they are ready to give up on danks for a while yet.
as a general point – it would seem to make more sense to have people on the bench who are good at one thing (danks) as opposed to average-ish at everything (lillibridge, nix and the like).
lillibridge can play a number of premium positions and can run the bases.
that’s at least two skills. it’s not particularly hard to find players like that. danks hasn’t shown the baserunning skill yet. perhaps he will.
in the era of shorter benches, i’m not sure i agree with your assertion. particularly if we’re not talking about that skill being hitting. we’re not talking about a guy who has one good skill and is passable in other areas, like, say, vizquel. danks is just inadequate to completely shitty in other areas. his one skill wouldn’t make up for it.
fair enough.
i was unaware he couldn’t run the bases. i assumed his talent in the outfield indicated speed.
guess it makes sense that if he doesn’t have the nous to make adjustments at the plate, then he wouldn’t have it circling the bases.
see pods, scotty.
yeah, but i must profess to have never really given that much thought as a skill. i considered it more an application of common sense.
i like to give people the benefit of the doubt on that front. so i will assume they have it until they prove otherwise. which, apparently, danks has done.
See: Anderson, Brian
"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 20, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
comparing anderson to danks is an insult to anderson.
do people really not get how fucking bad danks is on offense? he couldn’t crack .700 at AA. let me know how you think that translates to the majors.
.693
but good try
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=danks-001jor
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
i noticed this last summer, but for those who need extra convincing as per larry's point on jordan danks' mlb readiness -
danks struggles when behind in the count last year for those interested:
danks ahead in the count – .282/.466/.419
danks behind in the count – .114/.127(must been a hbp because he didn’t have any walks all year)/.174
i know not many players have good stats when behind in the count. for instance, flowers & morel didn’t have walks when behind either. but, well, seeing as how i just mentioned him – lets compare it to morel in his 81 games at charlotte (danks had 119):
morel ahead in the count – .279/.395/.544
morel behind in the count – .275/.275/.367
if you want to look for yourselves:
danks – http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458668
morel – http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543569
Brian Anderson's last season was awesome like that.
He hit .347 when ahead in the count, .136 when behind. Fastballs!
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
I blame his wrist injury a ways back.
He was missing a lot of balls but still was showing some gap pop. Now he may as well leave the bat in the dugout or bring a piece of wet pasta to the plate.
He is horrible. He’ll make a good caddy for Johnny.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
yup. i'm pleased i looked into that though,
as whilst it made me feel pretty crappy about danks the younger, i do, conversely, feel pretty optimistic about morel’s ability to adjust to the bigs.
Can anyone get a walk when behind in the count?
By definition, don’t you have fewer than 3 balls when you are behind in the count.
God, I hope this isn't a whosh.
For a pitcher, it’s when he has fewer strikes than balls (1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 2-1, 3-1)
For a hitter, when he has fewer balls than strikes. (0-1, 0-2, 1-2)
If the same number of balls and strikes, the count is even.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I felt mentally challenged merely typing that out.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I know
I was asking why craig was pointing out that none of the three players he mentioned got any walks when they were behind in the count
Well, you know you can still get a walk when you're behind in the count... just not on the next pitch.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
By definition, if you have fewer than 3 balls you are normal.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
whoa, whoa, whoa. easy there, big guy.
His parents… think of his parents.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
they already have one son who is a huge success.
the other was just a back-up. they can jettison his carcass back to earth now.
spare organs.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Jan 20, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
On second thought, I bet larry enjoys his hate mail
larry prints out his hate mail, puts on his playboy robe, pours himself a fine glass of pinot orphan’s blood, sits on his cushy chair ivory throne, props his feet up on a stool circus midget, and reads the Danks’ hate mail aloud.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
We knew that was coming.
Boras, baby, Set it up well for Jones if he produced. He did. He deserves it.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
ugh ozzie really, I would like to slap mark teahen
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
ozzie said naming morel the starting third basemen is a slap in teahen's face
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
good.
he should do it multiple times.
by craigws on Jan 20, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A Patton slap would be worthy,
then being told he was stinking up this place of honor.
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
can somebody please tell me the reason we have Teahen?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
i meant the point, can't we just drop him off at the South America?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Is that far away from The Ohio State?
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
by winningugly on Jan 20, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes,
but it should be south pole
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Because all we gain by releasing him is a roster spot.
And the players at Charlotte aren’t exactly kicking the door down, demanding that roster spot.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
are you really paying attention?
his name is brent morel and he will be our starting third basemen.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 21, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
uh i hope so too
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 21, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully his next sentence was
“That said, Morel’s our starting third baseman.”
It's true, I'm a rageaholic. I just can't live without rageahol!
by Shinons on Jan 20, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
nope, its open competiton to keep teahen movitated
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
one would hope it would keep morel motivated, too.
this is what we call a tempest in a teapot. everyone’s been saying it is an open competition at 3B, morel doesn’t have the job, blah, blah, blah. ozzie adds some flowery language – it would never occur to me that he’d do such a thing – and people take the bait and go crazy.
truly
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
unless you change the main character to a woman
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
How much time at 3rd do you think Vizquel is gonna get this year?
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Jan 20, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Not much talk about Peavy throwing off a mound already huh?
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
big head ego
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
stop blowing your breath
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DON'T ASK ME!!!!!!!!! ONE IN A MILLION!
by pierzynskirules on Jan 20, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Such a shame. I thought good ol' Stumpy Retherford was the future face of the franchise.
biceps-deep in fungible pumpkins.
Not much of a face.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Jan 20, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
That was part of my funny there. He sort of reminded me of Sloth from The Goonies.
biceps-deep in fungible pumpkins.
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Savior listed as a "breakout" player for 2011.
Oh, so is Dan Hudson. Sigh.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/01/20/glicksman.breakout/index.html
Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?
I dunno. I hope he does great. So Kenny won't make any more trades like that again.
Of course, if Edwin pitches like we know he can, it’s almost a wash.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Semantics. I'm trying to look on the bright side here.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 20, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm worried about what "we know he can" means
since it seems to imply we know something other than we saw.
by Gentleman Jim on Jan 20, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
He had a stretch of 3 games with us...
23 2/3 IP, 15 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 32 Ks
That’s what I was talking about. Hudson is good, but I don’t see him capable of lines like that in the AL.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 21, 2011 6:49 AM CST up reply actions
OH MAN! ITS NOW OFFICIALLY THE FRIDAY OF SOX FEST!
THE 2011 SEASON OFFICIALLY KICKS OFF TODAY! YEEHAAWWWWW!
Kenwo4life=ratings
Giggidty.
I may just take you up on buying you a drink at Miller’s afterwards.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Jan 21, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
i'm calling dibs on the first socolovich asbestos/mesothelioma joke/nickname.
i haven’t written it yet, but just know that i’m heading that direction.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

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