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Diamonds Are Forever

Another Hall of Fame election has come and gone, and still no more White Sox have been given the Han Solo treatment.  It has been fourteen years since the last HoF class had a Pale Hoser in it, with Nellie Fox being the most recent inductee.  This isn't even the longest drought for the team though, as no player was inducted from 1965-1983 (Luke Appling/Red Faber and Luis Aparicio bookend the streak).  This got me to thinking about which teams have the longest dry spells, both historically and actively. 

I chose to only credit a team with a HoFer if the player went in wearing the team's cap, though transplanted teams count (think the Washington Senators becoming the Minnesota Twins).  Those teams unfortunate enough to not have any Hall of Famers are excluded from this exercise.  While there is no player in sight for teams like the Florida Marlins, the Tampa Bay Rays, and the Los Angeles Angels, the others in the group should be joining the rest of the teams represented in Cooperstown soon enough.  The Seattle Mariners (Edgar Martinez? Ken Griffey Jr), Houston Astros (Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio), Arizona Diamondbacks (Randy Johnson), and Colorado Rockies (Larry Walker? Todd Helton?) should all be bellying up to the big kid's table in the next ten years.  I also left out managers, mostly because they're managers and I care far less about them than players.

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Historic streaks:

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How about that for some disparity?  Would anyone have guessed (without looking at a list of members) that Baltimore would have the longest gap and San Diego the shortest?  The average waiting period has been 17.81 years.  This leaves eight teams on the wrong side of the average, helped in great part by the fact that no one worth a damn played for St. Louis/Baltimore between George Sisler and Frank Robinson.  The other player to player gaps are as follow:

  • Oakland: Frank Baker to Rollie Fingers, Minnesota: Walter Johnson to Sam Rice, Philadelphia: Ed Delahanty to Dave Bancroft, Cincinnati: Eppa Rixey to Ernie Lombardi, Detroit: Sam Crawford to Al Kaline, Chicago AL: Luke Appling/Red Faber to Luis Aparicio, Cleveland: Addie Joss to Larry Doby
  • New York NL: Tom Seaver to no one, Boston: Harry Hooper to Bobby Doerr, St. Louis: Dizzy Dean to Joe Medwick, Atlanta: Phil Niekro to no one, New York AL: Whitey Ford/Mickey Mantle to Tony Lazzeri, Los Angeles NL: Don Sutton to no one, Pittsburgh: Willie Stargell to Bill Mazeroski
  • Chicago NL: Ferguson Jenkins to Ryne Sandberg, Kansas City: George Brett to no one, San Francisco: Orlando Cepeda to no one, Texas: Nolan Ryan to no one, Milwaukee: Robin Yount to Paul Molitor, Washington: Gary Carter to Andre Dawson, San Diego: Dave Winfield to Tony Gwynn

Current streaks*:

Team Length of Drought
New York Mets 19 (1992)
Detroit Tigers 19 (1992)
Philadelphia Phillies 15 (1996)
Atlanta Braves 14 (1997)
Chicago White Sox 14 (1997)
Cleveland Indians 13 (1998)
Los Angeles Dodgers 13 (1998)
Kansas City Royals 12 (1999)
San Francisco Giants 12 (1999)
Texas Rangers 12 (1999)
Cincinnati Reds 11 (2000)
Pittsburgh Pirates 10 (2001)
Milwaukee Brewers 7 (2004)
Chicago Cubs 6 (2005)
St. Louis Cardinals 5 (2006)
Baltimore Orioles 4 (2007)
San Diego Padres 4 (2007)
Boston Red Sox 2 (2009)
New York Yankees 2 (2009)
Oakland Athletics 2 (2009)
Washington Nationals 1 (2010)

 

*Toronto and Minnesota are excluded since they just had two players elected.

Once again, the White Sox find themselves on the short end of the stick.  The average waiting period in this instance is 9.38 years.  The last player elected for each franchise is as follows:

  • New York NL: Tom Seaver, Detroit: Hal Newhouser, Philadelphia: Steve Carlton, Atlanta: Phil Niekro, Chicago AL: Nellie Fox, Cleveland: Larry Doby, Los Angeles NL: Don Sutton
  • Kansas City: George Brett, San Francisco: Orlando Cepeda, Texas: Nolan Ryan, Cincinnati: Tony Perez, Pittsburgh: Bill Mazeroski, Milwaukee: Paul Molitor, Chicago NL: Ryne Sandberg
  • St. Louis: Ozzie Smith, Baltimore: Cal Ripken Jr., San Diego: Tony Gwynn, Boston: Jim Rice, New York AL: Goose Gossage, Oakland: Rickey Henderson, Washington: Andre Dawson

And seeing as Harold Baines was just eliminated, expect the White Sox streak to continue until the BBWAA deems it fit to immortalize Frank Thomas.  And if Jeff Bagwell and Tim Raines aren't in the HoF by then, things need to be fixed promptly.

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the second sentence in the second paragraph is awkward

and thank you for sharing. 2014 here we come!

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 12:10 AM CST reply actions  

this one?
Those teams unfortunate enough to not have any Hall of Famers are excluded from this exercise.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

yes...

perhaps I just read it too fast. I kept thinking ‘These’

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

that it was intended to say “Those teams unfortunately enough DO not…” or am I wrong?

by Samuroth on Jan 6, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

expo

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

randy Johnson is gonna be a mariner

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Jan 6, 2011 12:18 AM CST reply actions  

i feel like you could flip a coin between his years as a mariner and his years as a dback

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to say Mariners too

but he finished his last six playoff games for then 0-6 and the Mariners were knocked out all four times. The time with the Diamondbacks was shorter, but he won the Cy Young every freaking year he was with them. Plus WS championships and MVPs are important in my book.

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

i dont know.

when i think of randy johnson i think of the Kingdome rocking, john kruk bailing, Griffey Jr, Edgar, etc. should be an interesting decision.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 6, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Given the World Series title

I’m guessing the Hall will let him choose between the Diamondbacks and the Mariners. In that event, I might guess he’d go with Arizona.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 6, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont care as long as he doesn't get all fucking public with it like Dawson

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

that and the perfect game

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I should clarify, he won the Cy in every year of his first contract with the DBacks

He pitched for them more after that.

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yankee.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

soooo creepy.

and his kid from the pic in the other post looks like a 20 year old in an 8 year old’s body.

by Trooper on Jan 6, 2011 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

I do think the Angels should be included,

because they have been around for a much longer time than the others who have no inductees. Especially if you include the Nationals, who won’t have anyone eligible for years.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 6:40 AM CST reply actions  

the nationals inherit the old expos players that made it

just as the orioles inherit the old st. louis browns and that anyone who played for the new york giants is lumped in with the san francisco giants.

if the angels had ever produced a homegrown hall of famer, they’d be included. their best hope is that the hall lets vlad pick them, otherwise no angel is going to be in the hall for another twenty year stretch.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 7:01 AM CST up reply actions  

OK re: Expos/Nats.

The Angels, however, should be included in the drought list. I know it would be an arbitrary starting point (when one of their “star” players could’ve been eligible for the first time, like Dean Chance or Jim Fregosi). But 50+ years of existence with zero HOF’ers should be acknowledged.

(Good piece, BTW.)

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

yeah, it just seemed difficult picking a year that would have felt appropriate to start it at for them, as you noted. it both shocks and kind of impresses me that they have not produced their own HoFer in all those years.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

seems like nolan ryan

should probably have went in as an angel.
though i guess it would have been weird to ignore his whole mr texas thing.

by craigws on Jan 6, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

which is why i’m glad the hall doesn’t really let the players pick any more. he should have been an angel or an astro.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd prefer if they allowed them to pick,

but ensured that they were only allowed to choose between reasonable choices.

also, your article was linked on big league stew:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/D12-Jeff-Bagwell-calm-cool-and-collected-after?urn=mlb-304216

congrats.

by craigws on Jan 6, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

sween

thanks for the heads up

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Sween?

Nice.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

very

the sweenest

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

oh-a-whoa

the sweenest thing!

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 6, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Short for

"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."

by RWShow on Jan 6, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I was talking with a former Angels catcher this afternoon

and mentioned this fact to him. He mentioned Reggie Jackson, Nolan, Dave Winfield, et.al., who have all played for the Halos and gone into the HOF with another cap. He didn’t sound pleased. Heh.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

well reggie should have gone in an A

and winfield went in for the right team. they’ve had their share of HoFers play for them, just not for the bulk of their careers.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Anonymous name dropper.

"Hey. I may hate myself, but it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm an SSSer!"- HSA

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 6, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Im one of the more vocal NFL fans on this site

Arguments of evil defensive geniuses and matchups for strategy with Colin. Popularity etc.
But without fail I love the fact that baseball stands on its own with relative ease in regards to HOF discussions. It’s ability even in a steroid age to produce days long discussion of why players should or should not be in is worth its wait in gold.

That said Morris still shouldn’t get in, FKB and for the love of all things holy put Ray Guy into the football HOF.

IMO :-)

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 6, 2011 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

I happen to agree with your assessment.

(You’ll be happy to know that I have a conference call with some MLB execs today to discuss sponsorship/development of youth baseball in urban areas. The goal is to promote baseball in African-American neighborhoods. When we discuss Chicago I’m coming to you, dogg.)

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

"gold star for WU" (I know you haven't seen Boomerang)

That’s wonderful and something I feel strongly about.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 6, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure I have.

I’m blacker than you know. ;)

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to bring baseball back to my hometown of Markham.

The fact that the field I(and 30 game winner Denny McLain) learned how to play on is overgrown and unusable is just devastating. I would definitely volunteer some time for a project like that.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 6, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

In my youth

I spent a few hours in the Markham lockup. Apparently that’s where the I-57 State Troopers take you when you don’t pay old speeding tickets.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Jan 6, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Sween.

(See U-God’s new celebretory verbage, above.)

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

not even the first time i'

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

ve said it on here

http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/7/23/1585259/this-gamethread-will-accept-cash#42787783

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jan 6, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Sween, indeed!

"and u say the manager didnt trust u? he kept putting ur fat @** there and u kept blowing it, he never took u away from that role unreal"- Oney Guillen's Tweet on Bobby Jenks

by tailgater on Jan 6, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't believe I forgot that.

July 23. NOW I remember.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

my uncle probably brought you your McDonalds

hes been a cop there for a good 25 years or so.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 6, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

They never fed me.

Perhaps there were budget cuts at the time.

"and u say the manager didnt trust u? he kept putting ur fat @** there and u kept blowing it, he never took u away from that role unreal"- Oney Guillen's Tweet on Bobby Jenks

by tailgater on Jan 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

out of all of my students i've taught the past 5 years

probably 98% of them are african american males…. there is just really no interest in baseball whatsoever. I had one kid who was a cubs fan and one kid who played the MLB video game who I could discuss baseball with. Other than that the only player (and very few of them knew him) that anyone could name was Jermaine Dye. I’ve asked why there is no interest- they just say its boring and for whites and mexicans.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 6, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Moves too slowly, lots of skill is required

(and it takes a long time to develop the skill). Yeah, it’s an uphill climb for sure. However, some current college football players are considering crossing over if they are too small to make it in the NFL (so I am told).

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Congratulations Bert and Robbie!

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

You are a baaaad man, 'gater.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats, Dad.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

congrats

I recommend naming her after Becks also

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Jan 6, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Becky?

"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."

by RWShow on Jan 6, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Congratulations!

Start saving tomorrow for their education and weddings!

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 6, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

CONGRATS!!

2 girls myself

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 6, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats!

Whatever you do, keep your daughters off this site.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

At least I got the garage

Grandparents brought over her first white sox onesie today. Getting her started early. The wife is a decrepit cub fan, which I shield the older daughter from. She bought our dog a cub jersey to run a dog run with her in. Dog wouldn’t move until she took that thing off him, it was great!

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

thats oneloyaldog

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Jan 6, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

congrats

when things get tough at home you will always have SSS to turn to.

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Jan 6, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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