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The inscrutable Ohman

Before we really can come to a conclusion about Will Ohman and the two-year, $4 million contract the White Sox have agreed to, we need to figure out how it affects Chris Sale.

Without Ohman, I was operating with the assumption that Sale would start the year in the bullpen, teaming up with Matt Thornton to form a terrifying  two-headed Lefty Monster. Sure, the Sox said they planned to groom Sale for a starter spot, but that would seem to conflict with the "We're All In" strategy.

The Ohman addition expands the spectrum of possibilities, and it creates far more confusion in the process.

Count Don Cooper as somebody who is a little concerned about Sale's immediate future.

In fact, Cooper delivered his strongest words on the subject Saturday, not long after it was reported that the White Sox had signed left-handed reliever Will Ohman. That move appeared to give the White Sox the flexibility of moving the left-handed Sale to the rotation for at least a short stretch if necessary.

"I'm not favor of that," Cooper said, when asked if Sale would be used as a starter until an injured Jake Peavy returned. "It's unfair and too much to ask of a young guy until he has a chance to get himself situated.

"If he starts, he starts and starts all year. To start for a month, I don't like the sound or the feel of that. But I'm speaking for myself only. I haven't talked to [manager] Ozzie [Guillen] or [general manager] Kenny [Williams] on any of this."

Alas, that seems like the most likely outcome, but let's try to work through the scenarios.

Star-divide

The first-month starter

As far as we know, optimistic projections have Jake Peavy ready to pitch in late April to mid-May. Instead of going with Tony Pena or Central Casting Freddy Garcia, the Sox will give Sale a shot, with the intent to demote him to the bullpen when Peavy comes back.

Would this happen? It doesn't seem like a bad idea on paper, but if Don Cooper's not down with it, that makes me skeptical. He knows Sale and, in general, pitchers just a little bit better than I do. There are a shortage of comparable pitchers when it comes to Sale in every sense of the phrase, so you can't take a guys like Gavin Floyd or Jon Garland, who bounced between the rotation and bullpen, and assume it would be OK.

What we do know is that Sale had little problem going from starting to relieving last year, although the former involved collegiate hitters. Not quite the same. But I would start preparing for it, because it seems to favor the current M.O while maintaining a little bit of forward thinking.

The long-term starter

This picture involves Charlotte, whether or not the Sox pick up a store-brand Freddy. Either Sale starts the year in Triple-A, or he ends up there after Peavy returns, where he works on polishing his changeup in order to have three working pitches. Or, as Scott Merkin suggests, the Sox could trade a starter to free up cash and a permanent spot for Sale.

Would this happen? Even though this could involve Sale facing major-league hitters, it conflicts with the idea of the pennant push. However, this isn't terribly different from what the Sox did with Daniel Hudson last season. He probably could have started the season in the rotation, but the Sox had five starters, so he waited patiently and dominated International League hitters.

That said, the stakes are elevated this year. And who knows - if Hudson showed the ability to wipe out right-handed hitters during his September call-up in 2009, maybe he would have been in the bullpen. He didn't quite capture the imagination the way Sale did, though, so keeping him on the same path was an easier option.

This one would be the most cost-effective use of Ohman, though.

Three lefties in the bullpen

Three lefties in the pen
Each one seeking innings pitched
Ozzie struggles when he has two
So which one will start to bitch?

Which leads us to the least effective reason for having Ohman around.This prospect is why signing Ohman made me say...

... wait for it ...

"Aw, crap."

If the White Sox re-sign Garcia or Garcia's equivalent and relegate Sale to full-time relief work, that will certainly be the all-inningest strategy yet. In fact, it might be "in too deep."

Ohman is the exact kind of pitcher that Guillen has struggled with in the past. He can retire lefties, but he's not aces against them. Moreover, Ohman has a Clayton Richard-type arm slot - not sidewinding -- so his delivery doesn't scream, "RIGHT-HANDED HITTERS WILL CRUSH ME!"

Guillen has a lengthy track record of wanting a LOOGY, except he doesn't have the patience to use a Lefty for One Out, and that's more than half the acronym. From Boone Logan to Horacio Ramirez to Jimmy Gobble to Randy Williams, Guillen has helped many a fringe lefty dig their own graves.

I thought having Thornton and Sale would eliminate that craving for a vanity lefty. Guillen had a hard enough time getting Williams any work, so it's hard to see when exactly Ohman would be desperately needed. Plus, three lefties guarantees a seven-man pen, which is another exercise in inefficiency, considering the rotation is supposed to go deep into games four of every five starts.

This is why I can't really endorse the Ohman signing. It only makes true sense if Sale is a starter for a whole season, and if Cooper's fears are warranted, that's not a direction the Sox want to go.

Did you know? (updated)

By pairing Ohman with Edwin Jackson, the White Sox will have as many German-born players on their 2010 team as they did in the first 107 years of their existence?  Jack Katoll and Tom McCarthy are the others.

(See note below)

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THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 9, 2011 1:27 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

It sucks when you have to explain your joke.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2011 2:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Those of us who truly care search through like 27pages of GIS results in order to make our Calvin and Hobbes points.

I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 9, 2011 2:35 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Third German-born player

If you count Edwin Jackson, which I do.

by mechanical turk on Jan 9, 2011 1:50 AM CST reply actions  

B-Ref needs to get with the times

It has separate lists for Germany and West Germany. Let me see if there are any more. Thanks.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 9, 2011 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Sweet timing.

Get a life, boss. 3 AM on Sunday? I’m hammered. I can’t believe you are.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2011 2:06 AM CST up reply actions  

It's just a ruse. Trying to make him all blue collar like to ingratiate himself amongst his new subjects.

Sure… nudge nudge wink wink he’s just another one of us late night miscreants…somewhere, somehow, someway trying to find the meaning of life amidst a sea of death, despair, desolation and 2007.

I’m on to him. What with all this insane late night genius awesome posting that comes right around midnight all the time now, it’s clear this guy phones into talk radio shows. A LOT. We can backtrace him or something.

And what the hell old man, why you hitting the bottle this eve?

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 9, 2011 2:45 AM CST up reply actions  

cheat was always a midnight kind of creep, too.

Hes probably out chasing college girls born in the 1990’s right now, bless his heart.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 2:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well he certainly ain't no Charles Grodin.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 9, 2011 3:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going for a Midnight Run reference,

But I wasn’t in the best of sorts last evening. Ooops.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 9, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

we can only hope.

he did post a lot of his stuff late though.
midnight-ish.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 3:41 AM CST up reply actions  

i think that was a reply fail

referencing the dentist drugged up youtube kid.

but now that i look, i have no idea where i meant it to go.

by Trooper on Jan 9, 2011 3:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Had dinner with some of my wife's high school friends.

I can’t hang, man. Wife and I went home, the rest went out doing Jagerbombs until 4 AM. I had at least a bottle and a half of wine and was trashed.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Jagerbombs!

Not now chief, I’m in the zone

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

what a pussy.

I have a bottle and a half of wine before I go out drinking.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 10, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not shock.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 10, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope to see you both slamming Jagerbombs in May.

"My role hads not changed: Old punching bag." -winningugly

by Uribe Down on Jan 10, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk about a battle to the death.

"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."

by RWShow on Jan 10, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

disbelief?

not very hammedery of you.

by Trooper on Jan 9, 2011 3:16 AM CST up reply actions  

whats a Sox machine?

da bump bump crash

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Sale

I was hoping for a year similar to Buehrle’s rookie season.
Use him as a starter at first as needed, then put him into the pen. He’d probably get more starts than the 3 MB had obviously, and he’d be here from the beginning instead of mid-season like #56 so total innings pitched might be an issue if the Sox have a cap in place for him.
The guys future is as a starter. Groom him to be one.

If Cooper wants one role and the Sox are ‘all in’ then make him the 5th starter, and in the event that Peavy can give the Sox something productive, send him down then. I just don’t like the idea of the Sox current marketing slogan dictating what they should do with the most promising arm in the system in my lifetime.
Really he should start in the minors. Let Pena go when they need a 5th starter and add another arm to the pen or use one of the guys in AAA now.
The stakes aren’t any higher than they were last year. They are the same. The division is at stake. The Sox just have a better hand than they dealt themselves previously and they shouldn’t overplay the Ace kicker this early.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 2:50 AM CST reply actions  

I am very fearful of Ozzie with 3 left handers

I don’t really like the idea of Sale in the minors next year.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 9, 2011 7:01 AM CST up reply actions  

well its one or the other, right?

unless you want Sale starting in the bigs all year.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

the most promising arm in our lifetime? you think?

i didn’t give it that much thought… but i know Alex Fernandez was considered a huge prospect, as was Scott Ruffcorn, Rodney Bolton, James Baldwin, Jon Garland (even though he was a cub first), Aaron Poreda……. and only 2 1/2 of those guys worked out- (i’ll give JB the half a point)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 9, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Sickels gave Poreda a B+

And Sale just got an A.

Fernandez might give him a run for his money.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

yuk

good point.

I guess the same concerns were there for Poreda as far as reliever or starter.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

2001 he had Rauch at an A and 4th overall pitching prospect in baseball.

I didnt follow along nearly as much as I do now on this stuff but I thought Sale was the best college arm in his draft class.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Sale fell for the durability concerns.

You could probably argue he was the best bet for performance.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohman

head scratcher.

negatives

33 years old.
walks a guy every other inning.
700000 is a big raise
two years

positives

strikes a guy out every inning
left handedness
mauer is 0-3 with a K vs him
+1 WAR?

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 2:59 AM CST reply actions  

nope.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 3:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you folks really just have a conversation about freaking Ohman

between 1-3 in the morning???? lol
I love this place.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Jan 9, 2011 6:55 AM CST reply actions  

Now I have to wait until everyone wakes up a Noon to talk about Ohman

I knew his old agent at National Sports Management, George Sotos…sounds like Ohman will be a fine clubhouse guy.

Two rights make one wrong

by Rhubarb on Jan 9, 2011 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

well when you put it like that it sounds ridiculous.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I just hope he does a nice job... no matter what role he is in.

if he sucks than sale will be in the pen anyway and we will have wasted 4 million. if he’s good they can choose Sale’s path which would be nice. Personally, I would like to see sale in the pen this year.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 9, 2011 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

i had been preparing for sale in the pen all season.

now, i’m guessing the sox use sale as a starter until peavy comes back.
when he does, they send him to charlotte to keep getting work as a starter.
then, if injury strikes, they plug him into the rotation.
otherwise, he comes up in september to fortify the bullpen for the stretch run.

that’s my prognostication. and i don’t really mind it.
(seer of seers, prognosticator of prognosticators)

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 9, 2011 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

sounds about right

I was thinking hed be back up as soon as Peavy proves himself ineffective but thats probably because I still resent Peavy for not coming over the first time they traded for him.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Jan 9, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

my internet is telling me i have to drink bloody marys.

so, i guess i will.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 9, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

You should listen to him, he's pre-med

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Jan 9, 2011 9:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thornton closer

Could this move just mean Thornton becomes the closer, Sale takes his role as lefty setup man and then Ohman fills in at Sales old spot?

by Spike1057 on Jan 9, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

This is what I thought was most likely too

The Sox probably want to name a formal closer, so they’ll treat Thornton as a neutral-handed guy in that capacity.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Jan 10, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

A couple of minor league signings

ESPN source

Josh Kinney and Shane Lindsay both pitched in AAA last season. Kinney has seen time in the majors while Lindsay has the upside of being Australian.

Padilla suggests that they could earn spots with the big club, but it would probably have to be in the pen. Kinney has been a reliever in the minors and while Lindsay has worked as a started in the low minors, he only made one start in AA and none in AAA.

by mechanical turk on Jan 9, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Chunderstruck!

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Jan 9, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I too like the upside of the guy from down under

Pretty sure I’ve heard the name Josh Kinney quite a bit amongst Cardinal fans clamoring for him to get more of the shots that they gave to Hawk Blakesworth and the like.

by PeejSox on Jan 9, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

In too deep

Sucks when that happens.

by FAQ on Jan 9, 2011 4:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't mind Ohman too much.

 He’s golden in my book because the words “Randy” and “Williams” are absent from his name.

by mylittlewindmill on Jan 9, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

More chins than Chinatown.

Needs more facial hair.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 10, 2011 7:40 AM CST reply actions  

"THEM!"

Thanks for the smile.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 10, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

This is weird to me.
In any case, Bossard must maintain the field to American League standards. Unlike the National League, which does not inspect the fields of its teams, the American League does, twice a season.

I realize it was 12 years ago, so maybe it changed, but I’d think the leagues would have held their fields to the same standard by that point.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 10, 2011 8:17 AM CST reply actions  

Ohman deal

I like the Ohman deal.

Nice looking bull pen:
Pena (Who will start the season as a starter, until Peavy returns, in the meantime, will probably be Nunez, Harrell or Infante or 2 out of the three filling in while Pena starts)

Crain
Santos
Ohman
Sale
and Thornton as the Closer.

Not bad at all. I don’t see the sox keeping 12 pitchers, probably makes Dunn your 4th outfieldera and I don’t think they want that.

by cowboybob on Jan 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

BOOOO

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 11, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 11, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not shocked.

"My role hads not changed: Old punching bag." -winningugly

by Uribe Down on Jan 11, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Some, especially his Mom, think Ohman is a joule.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 12, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I got a charge out of this.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Jan 12, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He is putting wattage in my cottage.

Can you just send my ass to my house so I don’t have to carry it home?

by winningugly on Jan 12, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

x

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 12, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You're so negative.

"My role hads not changed: Old punching bag." -winningugly

by Uribe Down on Jan 12, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Franklin my dear, I don't give a damn.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

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