Reading Room: One small step for managers...
As we wait for Robin Ventura to pass his probation period before the official press conference, I'd like to thank resident radio hawk 815Sox for pointing out that Ventura's interview on the Boers and Bernstein show is online. The embedded player above is for the entire first hour, but the segment is right smack-dab in the front, so there is no skipping necessary.
He addresses one point of contention in our debate over Ventura's desire to manage -- he said the thought of managing hadn't crossed his mind because he thought Guillen would be around for a while. So if he only wanted to work for the White Sox, it's a little easier to understand his initial reluctance if it were purely shock-induced.
But here was the major takeaway for us:
Laurence Holmes: What do you think of the idea of advanced metrics, and do you plan to use them as a manager?
Ventura: Well, I think there's a way to use everything. I mean, obviously you can't put everything into one basket and that's going to work. The game has advanced to a point where you get to use everything, and I think it's there for guys to use, for managers to use. Obviously there has to be some of that with, you know, looking at the game, and watching the game and feeling the game.
Which is about all anybody can expect him to say, given that he has to speak the same language as the players.
The whole interview is worth listening to. I'm using this introductory period to parse his words -- you know, get in some reps before we have to start doing it for good -- and a couple other takeaways in how he expresses himself:
1. "Obviously" : Robin Ventura :: "In the meanwhile" : Ozzie Guillen.
2. He's really easy to transcribe -- not just because English is his first language, but because he doesn't change direction mid-sentence. Neither of those traits are unique to Guillen -- hell, Mike Royko said that Richard J. Daley "slid sideways into a sentence, or didn’t exit from the same paragraph he entered."
This should be good for some goodwill from the beat writers, although a couple will probably still be reeling into the summer, because there will be far fewer "Get a load of what Robin said or did!" stories to mail in when time is tight.
3. He pointed to his last three managers -- Joe Torre, Bobby Valentine, Jim Tracy -- as ones likely to have an impact on his style. I can only hope he picks up on Tracy's tendency to answer his own questions. Can I explain why this would amuse me? No. Would it get annoying after a few months? Probably. But still.
And onto more meaningful things...

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Here's a good example of a newspaper serving as an institutional memory. Paul Sullivan dusted off his White Sox beat writer cap to relay a great story about Ventura in 1996. Can you imagine Jerry Reinsdorf saying this?
"But he's kind of a laid-back guy. When Harold Baines was here early in the '80s, no one really cared about him being laid back because we had a lot of goofballs like Ron Kittle and Greg Luzinski and Jerry Koosman and (Tom) Paciorek.
"But now, we don't have anybody of that nature. I think we have to get people with a little bit better personality. But they better be able to play."
Among many items related to Ventura and the White Sox's history of managers, Chris Jaffe comes up with another similar zero-experience manager besides A.J. Hinch in Arizona and Larry Dierker in Houston. It's not perfect, but we need all the comps we can get.
Mark Gonzales talks to former managers and players about Ventura, and if you're looking for one of his peers to mutter their first unkind word, you're going to be disappointed.
J.J. comes up with his random-assed White Sox lineup of the last decade, and I personally would've picked Gustavo Molina, since he went 1-for-18 in his South Side career. He didn't record a hit until his 10th game, which was also his last for the White Sox.
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Sabermetrics for Managers
Hello. Long time lurker, first time poster. I think Robin is correct about sabermetrics in the dugout, assuming that he meant that they can be taken into consideration with other factors at the moment i.e. a player’s health, game factors, etc. For instance, if the historical stats of a certain matchup spell certain failure, but the pitcher may be hanging his slider a bit that day and the batter may be seeing the ball well and crushing it over the last few days, then the manager must work within those small sample sizes regardless of the historical precedent. I don’t believe a manger can manage exclusively from the sabermetrics (obviously), but he can understand them enough to know that bunting in the first inning is a dumbass idea. Just saying …
by ParisSox on Oct 10, 2011 3:14 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Welcome! You won me over with this:
" but he can understand them enough to know that bunting in the first inning is a dumbass idea"
Don’t be a stranger!
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
by Chiburb on Oct 10, 2011 6:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep welcome.
And yes that was an awesome line.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Word up, brobot.
I don’t mind if a manager occasionally does something because he has a good feeling about it or something like that. I just want him to, say, have seen and understood win probability and run expectancy matrices. I’d like to know that he knows a runner on first and nobody out is almost always better than a runner on second and one out. I’d like him to have a basic idea about how much RBIs or pitcher wins say about a player. I’d like him to know what someone means when they mention a player’s wOBA or xFIP, to know that you probably want a good hitter batting second, to understand the crazy things that can happen in small sample sizes. He doesn’t have to use the word “regression” in interviews, but a general understanding of the concept would be nice.
I don’t want him to manage the game like a computer would. All I really want is some logic and critical thought put into decisions.
by mechanical turk on Oct 10, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
let the church say amen.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Oct 10, 2011 7:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
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To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 10, 2011 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
A poetic response to "old school" and "small ball"
A few stanzas from my baseball poem that may strike a chord :
We’re a five hundred club with our Skipper’s game plot
Made from old-fashioned views in a modern time slot
All the new schools of thought will soon learn his boycott
Those who ditch "old school" ball are expelled and forgot
He still plays that "small ball" from the dead-ball time slot
When just scoring at all was a daily long shot
But our profile has changed since Capone’s first mug shot
Now big sticks in small parks plus juiced balls score a lot
But he never updates his outdated game plot
Like pitch counts don’t count since Cy Young threw a lot
And he’ll lose one more lead in the eight-inning slot
While our closer eats treats and checks chicks who are hot
He likes grizzled old vets and the grinders we’ve got
But he can’t comprehend they should sit more than not
So he plays them too much and you hear his sad plot
Grinders stripping their gears and the grizzlies are shot
He ties up our offense and his bunts form the knot
As the research has shown they’re a tactical blot
They do not ensure runs only outs more than not
And reduce scoring odds quite unlike a moon shot
Winners often score more in a one-inning slot
Than losers will total in all nine that they’ve got
So a sacrifice bunt and its out hurt a lot
When it scores only one and it means diddlysquat
One more first-inning bunt and he’ll meet his own plot
As we sacrifice him in the team parking lot
Should heaven now trade me I foresee my hot spot
Satan taunts me with bunts and his foul home-run trot
Time to find a new face for the manager’s slot
From the cutting-edge group not the recycled lot
And when "small ball" receives a Smithsonian spot
I’ll forgive its past sins and pray mine are forgot
by Bufford on Oct 10, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

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