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Ruminations on Paul Konerko, Player-Manager

It's time to start looking for signs of Crazy Eyes.

Back in June, I wrote a post saying that I finally understood why the White Sox glorified Paul Konerko to such a great extent. The White Sox have since tested me, and I've been game for the ride. Hawk Harrelson said he was worth 15 wins (or hWAR) by himself? Sure, fine. Ozzie Guillen told the media that he considered Konerko a father figure? I guess you can convince me that's healthy.

On Tuesday, Kenny Williams found a way to lose me again. After the press conference for new manager Robin Ventura, Williams confirmed that he gave some consideration to promoting Konerko to a player-manager position.

We were doing so well.

Star-divide

 

Maybe Williams' relationship with Ozzie Guillen was far more oppressive than I thought. Some people take a breather in the wake of such a breakup, and others go to Vegas and don't bother asking what's in the drinks.

We're a mere fortnight into the Post-Ozzie Era, and he's compounding risky, out-of-the-box thinking with sentiment that is pure nutso. We've seen this combination before. Add up what Williams has said and done so far...

  • Dismissing a popular and successful manager due to a personality clash, replacing him with somebody who doesn't seem to be a long-term solution.
  • Advocating multiple-purpose coaches (an "amoebic coaching staff" as Brett Ballantini put it), including Harold Baines as a second-hitting coach of sorts.
  • Considered a position change for the team MVP and most stable presence on the roster.

... it's possible the 2012 White Sox are on their way to becoming the Ken Harrelson General Manager Reenactment Society.

A couple of losing-proposition trades are next on that checklist, and given that Williams is talking about retooling, not rebuilding -- under budget constraints to boot! -- I would assume crash position for an upsetting deal or two this winter.

After that, all he has to do is move the fences, and it'll be 1986 all over again. Unless we're already knee-deep in it. The Super Bowl Shuffle Bears did just visit the White House, you know.

Star-divide

The strangest thing about this situation is that we have little clue what kind of manager Ventura will be ... but we would have a good idea of how Konerko would run the team, at least in a few respects.

The clubhouse is pretty much made in his image already. He wouldn't be particularly rah-rah. He's loath to hold meetings. He's forthright with the media, although he'd probably kill them on tight deadlines. He might be more invested than Guillen in having his pitchers protect hitters. It's hard to deduce the rest of his strategy -- or how he would've dealt with the guy hitting behind him, for instance -- but we don't know that about Ventura, either.

Pitching changes would be tricky, and not just because Konerko would have to think about batter/pitcher splits while paying attention to his position. The rulebook doesn't issue any specific conditions for a player/manager talking to a pitcher, which probably means that he's treated like a manager.

Sure enough, I found this Q&A with Andy McGaffigan, who pitched for Pete Rose's Reds in 1985:

And then when he came over to Cincinnati to be the player/manager, he brought a whole different dynamic – that’s a hard position to be in – it’s difficult.

For example, he was playing first base at that time and if he came over to the mound to talk about anything like a first baseman ordinarily would have, they treated it as a mound visit. So he couldn’t go over there and do the stuff that any normal first baseman could do for fear of having it counted as a trip to the pitchers mound. So that’s a very difficult position to be in.

So if Konerko were to relay any information about a baserunner's behavior at first, it would be pretty difficult. He could maybe use Gordon Beckham as a conduit every so often, but if an umpire feels like making himself known, your Joe Wests or Angel Hernandezes could call any such discussion an official mound visit, as Rule 8.06 gives them discretion.

Or what about when a player starts arguing with an ump? Usually managers will go and argue for that player, because if somebody's going to get ejected, it may as well be somebody less essential to the game. In this world, though, Konerko is the most important person. Does he intervene, or does he let the player argue at his own risk?

Man, the more I think about it, the more I want to see this happen! On the other hand, this makes the Ventura decision seem way more grounded and logical.

Maybe that was the point of bringing up Konerko in the first place. Or maybe Williams is about to embark on his craziest offseason ever, and it could be Harrelson-as-GM all over again. Sit back, relax and strap it down, just in case.

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The more KW speaks these days...

the more convinced I am that he needed to get on the bus with Ozzie.

Was the Stanley Cup actually a dream? It already seems like a lifetime ago.

by TrickyDickAllen on Oct 12, 2011 2:46 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

KW's continuing employment

is the most troubling sign of Jerry Reinsdorf’s judgement since he hired Hawk Harrelson.

by asinwreck on Oct 12, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of crash positions

With Theo coming to town…Kenny is poised to inherit the “let’s all point and laugh” trophy (which had been the sole possession of one James Hendry these past few years).

Everything Theo will do is baseball poetry. Kenny will be the boob, again. Get ready for that.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 12, 2011 4:24 AM CDT reply actions  

So what?

If that’s what the mass idiots want to think, let them. Nothing can take away from the ring he does have.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

So. Angry.

Smile. Sticks and stones…

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, that wasn't how I meant it, lol.

And aren’t you the picture of peace and tranquility lately….it’s freakin’ me out.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where have you been?

WU is at Zen Master status now… and I for one like it

by 815Sox on Oct 12, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pussification of 'Merica continues.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that Theo is going to find it difficult to work over on the North Side

Ricketts hasn’t presented himself as the most stable owner… its going to be interesting to watch.

by 815Sox on Oct 12, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not his fault!

Francona was on drugs and living out of a suitcase all year (think Contreras’ marriage), the big 3 pitchers totally didn’t care, David Ortiz was more interested in personal stats, Ellsbury provided no leadership or clubhouse “presence”, and Gonzales was too damn quiet.

Crawford, Lackey, and Jenks signings? Ummm…

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

the last was what i was referring to.

epstein doesn’t exactly have a great record in free agent acquisitions.

by larry on Oct 12, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know.

Was messing with you. You would think 2 WS rings in 7 years would buy him a little time. KW would be hung in effigy in Boston.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

the honeymoon runs out eventually.

like KW, you can’t keep relying on your rep from five years ago.

by larry on Oct 12, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Oct 12, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too many cooks in the kitchen!

Paulie and Robin, the King and Queen, Parent the Prime Minister, McEwing the Executioner, Harold the Mute and KW the God.

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 AM CDT reply actions  

*mute = stoic philosopher

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 12, 2011 6:47 AM CDT reply actions  

As someone who has recently had a long term relationship end,

and has done so in the past, I find this take interesting and accurate. Take your time, Kenny, and don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater just because you and Ozzie aren’t a couple any more. Some things you did together were good, Kenny, they were good.

Don’t fill the void with all brand new stuff. Don’t sell the family car for a new Porsche. don’t send the kids to boarding school so you can go bang new women. don’t trade in your old wardrobe for new, “upscale, young, and hip” threads. You are still the same guy. Learn from your pain and grow. Don’t spend money just to avoid the hurt recent failure.

You are still a good guy. You are still capable and talented. You are still wanted by your family. Don’t fuck with the family, Kenny.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

did you just get out of therapy?

i agree…sorta…dont send the kids to boarding school just to find new strange, but do find new strange…only sell the family car if its a mini van, but get a subaru, chicks dig dilfs in grocery go getters that have the turbo option. and always remember, for every hot chick out there, someone is tired of her shit.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 12, 2011 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

(Smiles.)

Been there. Done that.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

right...

basically handle your shit KW, and dont be a nuerotic mess while doing it… have some fun, but dont reinvent the wheel or put spinners on it.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 12, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never divorced, but dumped alot when single

because I wouldn’t “get serious”.

I always found that a good break-up theme song helps with the pain.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

hit post too early

KW needs a good break-up song, like “I Ain’t Missin’ You”, or for off the wall, “Dirty White Boy”.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very nice.

What to call the new wardrobe, then?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about new clothes?

Maybe new shirts or new pants if you want to get particular.

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by U-God on Oct 12, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

WU is the guy on the right.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 12, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the kind of clothes.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

In U-God's case, it depends on which half of his warbrode you're talking about

The half he wears to impress the 13 year olds or the half he wears when he’s with the sheep. They are very different

by joewho112 on Oct 12, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's like showing up to a first date in a coat of human hair.

But… maybe a 13 year old would be impressed.

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by Uribe Down on Oct 13, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sheep bang other sheep wearing wool.

Nothing weird about that.

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by U-God on Oct 13, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why shouldn't you sell the family car for an upgrade?

Bitch made you get that thing in the first place.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah! That bitch had to go and get herself pregnant in the first place!

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too many lives have been ruined because some cheap waitress at a HoJo's said she used an IUD!

The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser

by Uribe Down on Oct 12, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Brett, can you please pass this note to our new manager?

Venchie, what is your opinion on giving Miguel Cabrera the occasional intentional walk?

White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.

by greenlight on Oct 12, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

The idea of even publicly floating Paulie as manager seems somewhat undermining to Ventura to me

Usually when you hear a guy hired as coach/manager of whatever sport, even if the top choice obviously fell through, you hear the basic template about how happy the franchise is with the choice and that they knew right off this was the guy to lead them wherever. The other candidates are danced around to show support/avoid awkwardness for the new guy. But if you’re talking about a candidate you might well have taken over the new guy and that new guy’s having to share a clubhouse with the candidate?

Seems awful strange.

by Shinons* on Oct 12, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

this

Paulie = Ventura but Paulie plays the game.

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 12, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

But it goes to show you how much respect and faith KW has in Paul.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was there ever any question that he didn't?

I like that it was leaked because it is good information to have but that is the one thing that shouldn’t have been leaked. It went from a Windy City carnival to a three ring circus.

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that big a deal to anyone, really.

if anything it puts a chip on Robin’s shoulder. That’s probably a good thing, right?

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Kenny is hurting. He’s got the spotlight squarely on him now.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno about this:

“Dismissing a popular and successful manager due to a personality clash, replacing him with somebody who doesn’t seem to be a long-term solution.”

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah i didn't think this was fair.

ozzie was done here, and would be a detriment if he remained.

by obnoxious american on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was born out of the personality clash.

I don’t know if he would’ve been trying to get himself sent out of town if he felt like he wasn’t competing against the GM, and vice versa. Blame goes both ways.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

this.

Saying it was a personality clash doesn’t quite paint the full picture in vibrant color.

also: I think it’s inaccurate to say that Ozzie was a popular manager. After 2008 I think his popularity waned severely. He was incredibly polarizing, in and out of Chicago. Infamous, more like.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

also:

who’s to say Robin won’t be here just as long as other managers in other cities? Ozzie was here for 8 seasons

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 12, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure how much interaction you have with non-SSS sox fans in SC, but the general public still loved ozzie.

at least in my estimation.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 12, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

They both failed big-time.

Neither showed any real leadership qualities last year, but if Ozzie chose to remain quiet instead of pleading his way out, I’m guessing Kenny would be the one taking the brunt of the public beating. Ozzie ended up doing both of them a favor.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm totally team Kenny now.

it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011

by South Side Expat on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously - don't you think KW at least tried to stock the team as Ozzie wanted?

Do you think that KW sabatoged him by getting Erstadt, Omar, Kotsay, guys like what Ozzie was asking for, but just a cut below? Do you think Ozzie was fervently politicking for Johnny Damon, and KW just wouldn’t come up that last 500k, only to slide in Juan Pierre?

It looks to me like KW tried a couple of years to get Ozzie what he asked for. When it wasn’t working, switched gears, and then Ozzie went into full metal sulk.

Yes, KW sometimes gets his public jabs in, but Ozzie seemed to need way too much TLC for a major league manager.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

ICH KANN NICHT WAHLEN! ICH KANN NICHT WAHLEN!

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 12, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

love that comic

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by BoeJouma on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holding out hope

Kenny is just messing with the media, and he is tired of dumb rumors popping up so when someone asked him if he was seriously considering Konerko he just ran with it and said “yea”

Otherwise this guy has completely lost his freaking mind and needs to be shown the door immediately.

by Knoxfire30 on Oct 12, 2011 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Thinking outside the box...

ok, I get it that this phrase is meant to invent new ideas, but let’s not “think outside the box” for the sake of difference alone. Let’s suppose that whatever is inside the box works (ie other possible managers). To me, this speaks of KW pulling a reach move. I think his PK comments undermine Ventura. It kinda says, “hey you’re ok for the job but I have this temp that will step right in if you fail.”

Retooling? In what way? Does KW have other underperforming players he’d like to sign? I wasn’t thrilled about Robin, but after thinking about it, I thought the hire spoke of restructuring the team. Let the youth get games under them and get through the dead weight that held the team captive in 2011. You know, make plans for the future…

This offseason will be a ride for sure.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Oct 12, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Kenny seems to enjoying keeping his secrets from the media

He seems to relish the “surprise” factor of his moves. “Look, I’m claiming Rios.” “Look, I’m trading for Peavy.” “Look, I’m hiring a manager no one else thought of (wait, its gonna get leaked, shit, impromptu announcement time!).” “You media guys are so smart, but you don’t know what I’m capable of.” “I’m so far under the radar you need a metal detector.”

The Konerko-as-player/mgr thing is more of that.

Good ruminations, Jim. Kenny’s creativity has been a definite asset before, but I flat-out don’t trust his decisions anymore. I seriously hope he’s conservative in his moves this offseason, because he’s in a roster-building slump.

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Oct 12, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

from the 1st sss roundtable

3. Who do you think should replace Ozzie?

E: Paul Konerko.

that is all.

by e-gus on Oct 12, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

This is off season is going to be great!

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by Tdogg on Oct 12, 2011 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Only if you pay off on your bets.

Thought of you as E-Jax was pitching the other night. NL has been berry berry good to him.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

your face should pay off bets

dont worry I got you

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by Tdogg on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

If nothing else, KW has telegraphed that within 8 years of retiring

Paul Konerko will be in line for the manager’s job.

After Robin wears out his welcome in 3-4 years, I see a place-holder manager, maybe Darrin Erstad, maybe Johnny Damon, then Paulie will “come home”.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Give him his statue and announce him as manager same day?

It’ll save time.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 12, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else having issues with the page not completely loading?

The right rail doesn’t load and the full front page won’t load, just the first two stories.

I refreshed and tried closing and opening IE (work PC), but it doesn’t help.

by joewho112 on Oct 12, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

yes. capitalism at work.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 12, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

the air jordan ads are covering the the rails, so yes.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then why does the guy on the right have "Jordan" on his tee?

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 12, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is on "Team Jordan"

Lots of athletes are. Many of the bball players have their own line of shows. People like Kobe, Melo, Paul, Kidd, Allen. Jeter and I want to say Andrew Jones is also on “Team Jordan”. I think Ryan Zimmerman too.

Basically they have a deal with Nike. I am sure Nike is frothing at the mouth for Rose and will go for him hard after his contract with adidas ends.

by 815Sox on Oct 12, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah. Never heard of it before. But then I wear New Balance and don't watch commercials.

Thx.

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by Chiburb on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

commie.

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 12, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

it loads fine on my iPhone but not my PC

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 12, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's been acting up for me for a little while now.

Good to know I’m not alone.

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by U-God on Oct 12, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find it unnerving that I keep getting that error page when I log on

and then get the green bar at the top telling me I logged off.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

But seriously.

I was seeing problems with the ad underneath the first post, but not anymore. If people are still getting the same problems, email support@sbnation.com.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 12, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

New SBN feature:

the Passive-Aggressive Banhammer

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

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Works fine with Firefox and Ad Block Plus

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by ChiSoxRox on Oct 12, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The "out of the box" options started with a request from Jerry

At least that’s what the Bill Madden story last week that started all this says.

So there were two lists. The conventional list of guys who might or might not have worked out in the way that conventionally chosen managers do. And the list of “who knows if this will work” guys.

The worst case scenario in either case is pretty much the same (a shitty team in the hands of a man in over his head),
So is the best case scenario. There are weights you can assign to different outcomes for each list. Trouble with the unconventional options is there’s no information, no way to weigh the possibilities- so it’s basically a roulette game on that side. And we’re back to the Kenny as problem gambler metaphor.

But then I’m back to the same question I don’t have an answer for- whether a conventional option is any more likely to work.

by Titan52 on Oct 12, 2011 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I have often read that the best managers are worth a couple of wins

and worst case scenario would be something maybe a step below Ozzie batting a broken Alex Rios fourth because “he makes so much fuckin’ money”, probably a clubhouse in open mutiny.

Ventura seems to be respected at least to the level of Ozzie right now, and I think the clubhouse pretty much runs itself. So unless Ventura’s really a passive-aggressive bastard on the level of Dave Wannstedt, and is heading for a team who will no longer take signs, or have pitchers look over to first base to get the nod from PK on the catcher’s sign, I’d say the team is at worst on auto-pilot through the All-Star break.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Oct 12, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we're looking way too much into it.

I think Kenny said it himself. PK is too much of a celebral person to be put in a position where he has to manage and play at the same time. But I do believe he is a very smart guy and no one can deny he is the most consistent thing right now with the SOX.

by XuBrent on Oct 12, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

guys i think mully and hanley did a pretty good job with ventura in studio today.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-mully-and-hanley-show/#

its the 4th hour of todays show… runs about just over 18 minutes.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 12, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

More Groundbreaking analysis from Mike Mulligan

“You mentioned Konerko, he’s gonna be second guessing you because he is a manager is his own head”

by 815Sox on Oct 12, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Kenny was really thinking out the box he should have offered Buerhle the job.

Hey Bud part of this deal includes management…….

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Oct 12, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

He already has a habit of overthinking his hitting.

Can you imagine Konerko’s brain trying to work through playing AND managing? It might explode.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Oct 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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