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Plenty of room for Viciedo's arm

As Larry pointed out on Sunday, it stands to reason that a new manager might make Alex Rios' life in Chicago far more uncomfortable. For instance, Mark Gonzales is hip to the notion that Robin Ventura could take center field defense more seriously.

How’s this for a 2012 White Sox outfield:

Left fielder Alex Rios, center fielder Alejandro De Aza and right fielder Dayan Viciedo?

Rios moves from center field, where he misjudged or took unique routes on several flies that eluded him. De Aza and Brent Lillibridge are the Sox’s best center fielders, and De Aza played well over a two-month stint while giving the team some much-welcomed energy.

(This is all assuming Carlos Quentin is traded somewhere else in the offseason, which everybody seems to be doing.)

Gonzales goes on to note that Rios has played just one game in left during his entire major-league career, which would be an obstacle to the plan. But moreover, Rios was a Gold Glove-caliber right fielder before the Sox moved him to center. Considering Viciedo's range extends barely beyond his shadow, moving Rios a notch further down the scale might be taking things one step too far.

But I can understand the urge to start Viciedo in right, if only because of throws like this:

The Dayan Cannon was responsible for two outfield assists over 163 innings in field field. Extrapolate that to 1,100 innings, and you get about a baker's dozen.

Star-divide

Small sample size concerns are justified, but the league took notice of Viciedo's arm in relatively short order -- probably because he stood out in an outfield with Juan Pierre's noodle arm and Alex Rios' crazy two-seamers. Viciedo saved several bases over the last month by making runners afraid to go from first to third, or second to home.

A double-digit assist total would be huge, because the Sox haven't had an outfielder with 10 assists since 2004, when Carlos Lee had 11 and Aaron Rowand had 10. Throw in Timo Perez in right, and that was probably the strongest-throwing outfield of the new century. Those White Sox racked up 37 outfield assists overall,

El Caballo is a popular comparison for the Tank, and it would probably extend in this direction as well. Lee's arm wasn't scary strong, but it was accurate, and given that he looked fundamentally shaky in all other aspects of defense, he was able to lure baserunners into a false sense of security every once in a while.

Since then, the White Sox have had two kinds of arms -- weak but accurate (Pierre, Scott Podsednik, Nick Swisher) and strong but erratic (Rios, Carlos Quentin, Jermaine Dye, Brian Anderson). The problems came to a head in 2011, when even with Viciedo's small-sample success, White Sox outfielders combined for just 16 assists. Not only was that the worst in the league, but that's the lowest total for the Sox since they moved to New Comiskey Park, beating their previous low of 17, set in 2008.

So it's easy to understand the urge to keep Viciedo and his arm in right, given the visible impact it made during his limited time there.

Once upon a time, though, Alex Rios was that guy. According to The Hardball Times, Rios graded out as the top right field arm from 2004-2007, and even though he dropped off a bit, he still managed to pull off a positive score in that category... until this past season.

Now, I don't think Rios has that arm anymore. For one, when you look at his Arm Scores on his FanGraphs page, you'll notice a pretty steady downward trend starting from 2004. Also, I'm guessing he benefited from playing at Rogers Centre, where it's all artifical turf except for the bases and the mound. It's probably a lot easier for infielders and catchers to read hops on one consistent surface (although said FieldTurf couldn't prevent Rios from giving Gordon Beckham a nasty black eye on a throw to second in May).

But Rios always has had that funky throwing motion, because I remember Hawk Harrelson criticizing it when Rios played for Toronto. Is it possible Rios could better account for the significant tail on his throws when he played in right field?

Maybe. The safer answer would be to assume that Rios has tailed off all over, but even if Viciedo has a better arm, Rios' range will more than make up for the bases his odd throws give away.

Viciedo's arm won't exactly go to waste in left, either. In 2011, we watched Pierre's pop gun give up the most ground in the American League. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's enjoy the thought of a manager who isn't afraid of disrespecting a veteran who isn't worthy of it. And let's enjoy the thought of a left fielder holding baserunners to 90 feet at a time on singles in front of him. If there's still room for improvement when these two minor miracles happen, by all means, nitpick away.

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And disrespect the great Mark Salas?!?!?!?

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by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

You say his motion has been as such for years, but it seems to me that Rios is dropping his arm way more than in the past.

He was close to side-arming it on a lot of his throws this season. I think that exacerbated the tail.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I get the tail.

What’s the trade and the trend?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe his shoulder is hurt.

he should at least use that as an explanation for why he sucked so badly.

by larry on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn you mobile Internet!

Re: Rios. I want to know what happened in September. He actually looked like he gave a shit.

by ParisSox on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think it is the opposite.

Throughout his carreer, going back to his Toronto days, the more pressure Rios is under, the worse he plays. This season was no different. Rios started to play well the instant the Sox were out of it.

by stanfordron on Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you missed the point.

Those Jays teams sucked, had no pressure, and Rios was awesome. As soon as he got his big money contract (and felt some pressure) his game went right into the shitter. Then he came to the Sox (in the middle of a shitty season) and a team that was trying to contend. He actually performed worse the rest of that season. Then if you look at his stats with the Sox, you will see for the most part, the more we need him to be in/stay in a race, the worse he performs.

by stanfordron on Oct 17, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

i also always find it interesting that people think the pressure arrives after a player has gotten a big guaranteed contract.

seems to me the pressure would be at least similar when trying to get that big guaranteed contract.

by larry on Oct 17, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different people are motivated by different things.

Some are afraid of failure (Yogi Berra, for sure is an example, which is why he swung at everything thrown to him.) . Some are motivated by money (think Trust Fund Baby – once that ticket is punched forget any performance – the race is over). Some could care less either way and are motivated by their own performance and numbers (Big Frank, per se).

I agree, and thus disagree, with both of you.

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by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't. Couldn't care less.

For hoodie’s sake.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are correct, sir.

Heh, heh, heh. (Ed McMahon’s best voice.)

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by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you need to go look up what that means before you use it again.

It carries the implication that the argument contains no other causal factors. The fact that pressure is often a cause of poor performance means my argument was not merely post hoc ergo proctor hoc.

by stanfordron on Oct 17, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est

Credo quia absurdum est

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

bahahaha!

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

fac ut nemo me vocet

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Est dampnare et ros in altum

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i know is the phrase above. my secretary is latin.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

She's dead?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i've never met that woman.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"WHEN THEY'RE DEAD, THEY'RE JUST HOOKERS!"

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Que?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Est dampnare et ros in altum =

‘The dew point is too damn high’

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

here's another theory.

alex rios is a tools player who never developed skills. players like that peak early. the jays gave him a contract at the end of his peak. and paying attention to a 20 game stretch at any point is silly.

by larry on Oct 17, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except,

they did not give him that $15M per year contract because of his tools. He was definitely performing at that level when they gave him that contract.

by stanfordron on Oct 17, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed

alex rios is a tools player who never developed skills. players like that peak early. the jays gave him a contract at the end of his peak. and paying attention to a 20 game stretch at any point is silly.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Oct 18, 2011 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hm.

Assuming that because a player is performing well that he’s suddenly giving a shit, and also assuming that he wasn’t giving a shit when he was performing poorly, is hard to justify without really knowing the player. As in personally.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 17, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

meant more as a reply to ParisSox above, but it follows the conversation.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 17, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good

because I double checked and I did not think I accused him of not giving a shit.

by stanfordron on Oct 17, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood

I was trying to find his September stats because he not only looked like he had a different attitude, but also looked like a better play both at the plate and in the field. But that’s just the eye test and a limited one at that. And Hawk and Stony kept telling me that his bat was off his shoulder and his swing was more compact. But at the end of the day, you are right. It’s wrong to judge the player shit-giving-ness through the t.v. So in short, nevermind.

by ParisSox on Oct 17, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

why assume that Ventura will handle the veterans better?

if it happens, great. but knowing how to handle veteran players who’ve gotten comfortable and who have atleast some track record of success is a tough assignment for any rookie manager, much less someone who’s never managed at any level before. i’d be worried about Ventura either kowtowing to the veterans too much (like Quade with the Cubs), or trying to show ‘em who’s boss by a fake show of toughness. keep in mind that Williams has historically not been a supporter of young players either.

by vanillablue on Oct 17, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Only because it would be hard to handle them worse than Ozzie did.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

can't point the finger completely at Ozzie

KW played a role too, obviously by acquiring the underachieving vets in the first place, but also by not calling up Viciedo or De Aza earlier in the season. if they’d been on the roster earlier, Ozzie would’ve had to face questions about why they weren’t playing. Instead, Ozzie skated by on the “who else do I have to put out there” trope for a couple of months.

by vanillablue on Oct 17, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the most exciting question about 2012 will be

if i should opt for the roast beef or the corned beef at the deli down the right field line.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 18, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think this is made easier because of the 2011 season.

dunn and rios were so bad, people will expect them to sit if they struggle.
what other veterans are you worried about ventura kowtowing to?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy and Pierzynski, mainly

Both are legendary for never wanting to come out of the game or take a rest, even when needed. Different situations since AJ had a good year last year and Peavy did not, but AJ will be 35 entering next season. Will Ventura have the guts/authority to bench them if they start out poorly?

by vanillablue on Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it takes guts to do so

it takes common sense. Really, I think we all forget what a ‘real’ manager is like. While I am unsure what Ventura will be like as a manager, I am confident he isn’t going to just go through the motions. He is going to want to win ball games and if he feels Flowers gives him a better chance to win, he’ll play Flowers. I doubt Flowers will ever give him a better chance to win than AJ though.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes AJ valuable?

He has no arm, minimal power and meh on-base skills. And he has a reputation for being an annoying ass. Does he have the golden touch for handling pitchers?

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three-run homers."

by ThreeRunHomer on Oct 17, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's the best Goddamn baserunner in the whole of MLB, that's what.

it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011

by South Side Expat on Oct 17, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ's arm is horrible

He hit very well last year and is a lefty, he is not annoying when he is on your team, he does run the bases well and does a good job blocking pitches in the dirt. Also, his name is not Tyler Flowers, although it was nice to see him throw a few runners out for a change.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I see that Jim is going with "Cuban Pimp". I’m not a big fan of that. I didn’t realize how much I disliked it until I saw it in pixels this morning.

Any better ideas out there?

If his 3B D is lacking, it’s due to range (as I recall reading). If true, and he does have a strong arm as was mentioned in a recent game thread, I’d opt for "Dayan Cannon".

Anybody else?

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).
by Chiburb on Jun 21, 2010 6:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.

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by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

pimpchrist

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

vice lord.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

and as an added bonus, whenever he did something in a game we could all flash gang signs at each other.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

that'd be great

IF OUER STAYDUM WERNT IN A GAYNG WAR ZOAN!

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS.

No, actually, Lieutentant Dayan. Dammit, anyway.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit that fits the best.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would vote for this too,

but everytime I hear it in my head, it is in Chris Berman’s voice, and it makes me hate it.

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Oct 17, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

would that be any relation

to Moshe Dayan?

"The game's out there and it's play or get played..."

by Air Raid Siren Stan on Oct 18, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too OPOS.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 18, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

El Paredón

just spitballing here, but i like that one.
sounds a little better than ‘the human rights violator’
though i’m down with that, too.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just saw that Ballantini was let go, a few posts down

wtf? I’d love to hear the thought process behind that decision.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

So how was your weekend bender?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bender consisted of 9 hours of drinking on Saturday night and Sunday morning for my wife's bday

A friend of mine is a genius and he extracts THC from marijuana and makes it into liquid. He made fruit punch flavored weed hard candy and handed a bunch out to everyone. I think I drank 8 different beers from Genny Light to GumballHead…someone brought some Mount Gay Rum that people were swigging and my wife made a mulled Apple Cider with Brandy. Whenever we have a party I try to get people to drink this vile, evil grain alcohol that someone left at my house three years ago…its called like Buffalo Mash #2 or someshit and every time the bottle goes down a couple milliliters. Yesterday was complete fucking hell.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had pancakes on Saturday.

My life seems to lack a certain je ne sais quoi.

by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 17, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You consider yourself "functioning".

In what capacity?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I live in a dumpster behind a pizza place and use their free wi-fi to access SSS from my last possession, a Dell laptop

the neighborhood people come to me for wisdom

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You are stealing my z

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2011 7:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fucking stupid phone

You are stealing my schtick rhuby you asshole

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Oct 17, 2011 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Saturday I bought a Russian turtle for my kid.

One that will outlive me. Poignant.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should have bought a turtle the same age as you

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

They only sell them <1 year old at Petsmart.

They live to be 50. Sigh.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

So your daughter will be older than you when the turtle's time comes?

I see you caring for that turtle as some point.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is correct.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a recipe for a good soup.

it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011

by South Side Expat on Oct 17, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

chief?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

though i have noticed that in the standards for participating on SSS it is not mentioned anywhere that a subject line is required when posting images. it probably should be.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Oct 17, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duly noted and amended.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Oct 17, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are brilliant.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Oct 17, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I truly enjoy how you weave

Spassky, World War II, Yeltsin, and the average Soviet person into your prose. I am slightly disappointed there is no reference to Yakov Smirnoff.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw the picture of this turtle. I think it's actually a tortoise.

So your assumptions may to be re-calculated.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Oct 17, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it turns out they are exactly the same,

except the tortoise is slightly more vulnerable to the Gianutio Countergambit.

by The Actual El Guapo on Oct 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a tortoise.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I believe I am well on my way

to killing it unintentionally.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ate two dozen oysters today

followed by a rare beef fillet, washed down with a bottle of muscadet. When i eat like this i tend to think drugs are overrated.

by hoodlight on Oct 17, 2011 3:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They call marijuana a drug in the UK?

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i hate the stuff – when i take cannabis I invariably end up in a room full of people who I despise.

by hoodlight on Oct 17, 2011 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can you be my mentor?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 17, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who is your mentor?

I don’t think craig and I need to mentor each other, I was paired with him when it was just a buddy system idea.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps this?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Close but it is this

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is unaged whiskey corn whiskey, I believe

highly potent

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

That shit is awful.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon thinking back, the bottle has only been in my home since my wife's 30th bday party last year

It seems like it has been around forever though. i feel the same way about that bottle as Troy does about the Pierce’s troll in community.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

~

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That show, week after week, keeps impressing the hell out of me

Last week’s episode was just so well done and I am sure this weeks will be even better. I watched the first couple shows of season 1 and gave up on it but at the behest of colin and you guys I gave it another chance midway during season two and was shocked at how much better it was.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone here acquire any Big Hurt Beer this weekend?

I meant to grab some from Binnie’s on Saturday but misremembered. Over at JJ’s site, Beverly Brewmaster said he thinks it will be a lot like Colt 45.

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I know JJ talked to me while drunk off it.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Racist!

"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort

by tailgater on Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny

but he actually gives a pretty good reason as to why he thinks that, seems to know quite a bit about beer

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I joke, of course. Does in come in a 40 oz. bottle?

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by tailgater on Oct 17, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

24 oz. cans of hell

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My roommate did; gave it good reviews.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Oct 17, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really!?

Does your roommate have good taste? I suppose unless Frank endorses some rum, you wouldn’t be able to give me your own review?

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

His taste is gradually getting classier as he gets older, but he's hardly an SSS-level beer snob.

As for me, it’s safe to say that beer just isn’t my thing. If Frank were to endorse a hard liquor or wine, however, I’d be down.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Oct 17, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had it last night

It was actually a little like Frank himself: started off with a lot of expectation and while the first few sips were iffy, once it got going it was consistent and strong. By 12 ounces you knew exactly what you were getting and that wasn’t a bad thing. Toward the end it might have lost a little of its initial oomph but when the can was empty you were glad you’d had it and weren’t likely to forget it any time soon.

That entire metaphor is manufactured and bullshit. It was dreadful. My wife took a sip and said it barely tastes like beer. The best thing I can say about it is that it got me buzzed enough to take the pain away from doing the bills; and that most other things you can get 24 oz. of for $1.79 at 7% abv are manufactured by Castrol.

by Sox-35th on Oct 18, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is kind of what I figured

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by Rhubarb on Oct 18, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bought some today.

To be reviewed soon.

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by Uribe Down on Oct 18, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

my favorite was the guy alone in the picture because honestly, who the hell goes to a haunted house alone?

that’s really fucking weird.

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by MarketMaker on Oct 17, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You mean Ken Jennings?

Watson was probably lagging behind a bit

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Going to the movies alone? Not weird.
Going to a haunted house, amusement park, or water park alone? Pretty weird.

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by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

this meme has a high Range Factor

and seems as if it may be inescapable

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I'm making no attempt to rage against it.

That and the fact that it’s true.

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by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I warned you of this!

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by Rhubarb on Oct 17, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

delightful.

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by Jack M on Oct 17, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Sometimes I like going to Six Flags alone. It’s nice to be able to do whatever I want and not have to consult with someone else about what to ride next.

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by HappyHuman on Oct 17, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

PR?

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone spilled mustard on the cow in pic #1

& then she spied a 50lb hotdog to which she halted the dude in front of her so she’d have 1st dibs at woofing it down

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by lastof12 on Oct 17, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least carpe diem guy, though shitting his pants, looks like he's instinctively protecting his girlfriend

all the other guys are either, like, I’ll make sure I report you missing when I find a phone 20 miles away from here, or just teenage boys who went to a haunted house so they could hug their buddies.

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by TasteeFreeze on Oct 17, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since this thread is already OT: FATWA!!!

Never one to mince words or shy away from criticizing other people’s devotions, author Salman Rushdie came out swinging in a recent interview with Israeli website Haaretz, discussing the upcoming series he’s scripting for Showtime by putting a few of his would-be competitors in their place. Rushdie says he’s been brushing up on cable dramas to prepare, and although he spoke favorably of The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Dexter, and Deadwood, he didn’t have totally kind words for two other oft-vaunted shows: "There was a series called Game of Thrones which was very popular here in the United States, a post-Tolkien kind of thing," Rushdie says. "It was garbage, yet very addictive garbage—because there’s lots of violence, all the women take their clothes off all the time, and it’s kind of fun. In the end, it’s well-produced trash, but there’s room for that, too." Clearly on a roll, Rushdie even went after cable television’s most sacred cow: "Everybody loves The Wire and I think it’s okay, but in the end it’s just a police series," Rushdie says. See? This is the sort of cockiness that surviving a fatwa encourages. [via Vulture]
UPDATE: After no doubt getting several jokey-but-still-angry “fatwa” tweets sent in his direction, Rushdie has since addressed his comments on Twitter, pointing out to Vulture that he just said he likes these two shows less than all of the other shows, and comparing the reaction to his comments to the outcry over George H.W. Bush’s professed dislike of broccoli. (“I guess The Wire is my broccoli,” he adds.) He also says he’ll give another series of The Wire a shot and “hope to change my mind,” which he hopes is enough to get everyone off his back. But then he also goes and names Entourage one of his favorite
Comedies.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/salman-rushdie-calls-game-of-thrones-trash-the-wir,63549/medies, so that’s probably not going to happen.

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by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Hee.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 17, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

well, this is my list of favorite chess players
bobby fischer
mikhail tal
garry kasparov
frank marshall
paul morphy
nigel short
viswanathan anand
bent larsen
robert byrne
howard staunton
jose raul capablanca
the turk

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 17, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

(also, marshall once made a move so great

that he was showered with gold pieces!)

…Qg3 bitch!

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 17, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like spassky.

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 18, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You almost were placed on my list because of that oversight.

Bent Larsen ahead of him? Criminal.

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by winningugly on Oct 18, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

the list is not necessarily in any order.

if it were it would probably start fischer, kasparov, tal.

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 18, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad he left "How I Met Your Mother" alone.

I think it’s going to start to pick up in season 10.

When families watch shows like that together, it makes them strong.

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by TasteeFreeze on Oct 17, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

heyman says buehrle stays:

The White Sox are expected to try to bring starting pitcher Mark Buehrle back on a two-year deal, and he may be one of the many veterans loyal to owner Jerry Reinsdorf who stays for less. If he leaves, most would expect it to be for his hometown St. Louis Cardinals.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_heyman/10/17/mark.attanasio.brewers/index.html?eref=writers

hope so, though it would probably mean bye bye floyd or danks (preferably BHB).

by craigws on Oct 17, 2011 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

then again, if they lose, they may be more keen to bring back pujols

than if they win. a win could raise ‘fitting departure’ feelings, leaving lotsa money to spend.

by craigws on Oct 17, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are those Cubs fans?

All the ones I know understand Epstein has some serious digging to do get them afloat, let alone competitive.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

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it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011

by South Side Expat on Oct 18, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

if there was some way tony larussa (and mark mcgwire and dave duncan) could lose while the cardinals still won, that would be ideal.

as it is i’m just stuck with… fuck texas.

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by BuehrleMan on Oct 17, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe the deal will be crazy favorable?

that would be nice.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Oct 17, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hope so, it would ease my naggling fears about trading a younger arm to make room for him.

for instance, if kenny opts to trade the nom-factory, the least buehrle can do is offer to take $500k, andruw jones-stylee.

by craigws on Oct 17, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

$20 million over two years?

I don’t see why they couldn’t put together an A.J. type deal where he makes $6M in 2012 and $14M in 2013. 2012 also marks the end of one of the three albatross contracts for the Sox (Peavy), thus freeing up a little more cash for 2013. Of course if the attendance continues to dip further below 2 million . . .

by Kodachrome on Oct 19, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wish you hadn't posted that

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Oct 17, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You feel dirty?

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 17, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

what would it take for the OC to return to SSS?

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, OG is a bigger piece of shit than I thought

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
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by rhythm on Oct 18, 2011 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

uh huh

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

His range doesn't even look that bad in my eyes...

I mean, it will inevitably get worse given his body type. But right now he actually seems pretty mobile. I have zero problem with Dayan as our RF in 2012.

by Billy Ray Durham on Oct 18, 2011 3:15 AM CDT reply actions  

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