No Defense For Lack...Of Defense
When last we e-met, the discussion centered around Kenny's performance over the course of the decade. In short, it started off hot but after the WS victory, the bad has outweighed the good. On that note, let's check out the specifics of that failure to see what depths Kenny actually fell compared to his competitors.
To that end, I went to Fangraphs and looked at the White Sox position player WAR at each position starting in '06 summed through the most recent season. Then I compared those results to every other team in the league and ranked the Sox accordingly. The results are kind of shocking, really.
The results at DH are not super meaningful since we'd expect National League teams on aggregate to be pretty much replacement level. It's more like 6 out of 14 teams than all 30. I guess we can still call that above average, but it's not crazy impressive. DH is a difficult spot to get a lot of value out of anyway.
Outside of DH, it's absolutely atrocious. Of the 9 non-pitching positions, the Sox are worse than 25th in 5 of them. For you remedial mathemagicians, that's more than half. At no position are they well above average. Alexei Ramirez and Jim Thome help salvage total disaster, if that's what you can call it. Because in sum over that period, the Sox are 29th overall in fWAR. That's worse than the Royals.
WORSETHANTHEROYALS??!
...Sorry, I had some phlegm to work out.
Actually, it gets even worse. On top of that performance, the Sox have the 6th biggest budget for non-pitchers from 2006-2010.* It would have been cheaper to just buy half a team at free agent prices than stick with what the Sox stuck with. And isn't that pretty much the definition of a replacement level General Manager? After the World Series win, Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf were in a position to buy the division over the era in question. Instead they won just one division title over the course of 6 seasons in a division where they had the most money and by far the best pitching.
Oh right, yeah, that's the saving grace. The pitching. According to both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference, the Sox had by far the best pitching. Using the B-R numbers, the Sox were the only team more than 1.5 standard deviations above the mean and they were substantially more than that (2.3 SDs from the mean). They were 3 wins better per season than the next best team, the Red Sox.
If you didn't notice how good the pitching was, it could be in part because the runs allowed don't always reflect it. The Sox play in the AL and in one of the best hitter's parks in the game. But there's more to it than that and it gets at the root of KW's failings in picking players. By whatever reasonable metric you pick, the Sox have been terrible at defense since the World Series victory. Dewan, Total Zone and UZR absolutely hate them, ranking the South Siders dead last, second to last and 4th worst respectively.
This wouldn't be such a huge problem if they compensated by hitting a ton, but they haven't. The pitchers very plainly have been hung out to dry by a long string of very questionable personnel decisions. If the Sox want to step up and own this division, a few critical changes in personnel evaluation really could make that difference. Put an emphasis on younger, cheaper players. Limit exposure to huge free agent contracts. Figure out how to factor defense into evaluation.
As I've said, I like Kenny as a person and I really want the guy to succeed, especially since he's proven he can. For whatever reason, I'm invested in the guy, seemingly more than a lot of the players. And certainly, it's not at all fair to say that he deserves no credit for making the White Sox pitching performance the incredible success that it undeniably is. But there's a very evident blind spot that needs to be dealt with that throwing an unprecedented amount of cash at could not and will not solve.
*B-R's breakdown by pitcher/non-pitcher only goes through 2010 at this point.
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i think you may have a bit of a classification issue.
for example, how are you getting to 10.7 for 1B?
It's just fangraphs listed cumulative WAR at each position
so yeah if they are divided by player who played a position rather than just WAR at the given position, there could be. Don’t think it really changes much outside of screwing with the distribution across positions. I shouldn’t have just assumed.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
It doesn't look like it changes the total WAR for the team, -4 fWAR over two years at first base from guys who didn't play much first (Dunn and Kotsay) sure seems to skew things a bit.
by mechanical turk on Oct 18, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
that would explain the DH score I guess
i just assumed Thome was just that good.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
A sobering piece. Well done, colin.
It would have been really nice if JR had accepted KW’s ‘resignation’ during the season.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
Nah. He's gonna draft all 17 yr olds next June.
See the RR for details.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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"remedial mathemagicians"
Hey! I resemble that remark!
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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Not as much as some-
(Read the little thread. It’s worth it.)
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/10/16/2493420/hendry-vs-epstein-drafts#80323501
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 18, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
How long has he been running the place?
Baseball-reference vs fangraphs
What is the reason for the different AR numbers between te two sites?
by otherones on Oct 16, 2011 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a good question.
I have wondered that myself.
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by Al Yellon on Oct 16, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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by Chiburb on Oct 18, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't worry. I just saved 15% on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i stayed at a holiday inn express last night.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i know that sign on wu's van seems like a good deal,
but one should always read the disclaimer.
by craigws on Oct 18, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
thanks colin.
though i’m not sure how you can know you like kenny as a person. mostly my feelings about him tend to fluctuate, corresponding to how the white sox are doing. often he comes across as a self important know it all jag.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Yeah I know what you mean
But I’ve always rooted for him for whatever reason. Not gonna call it crazy logical. I want the guy to succeed because he runs my team, but it seems like it’s more than that. Maybe it’s something to do with the fact that the GM is more yours (more permanent?) than a lot of the players? GMs don’t have arb years and then finally make it to free agency.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
that last sentence is pretty much all i think of him.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
For the remedial mathemagicians I have our defense in graphical form:

by Yinka Double Dare on Oct 18, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thx! You'll want to see this too:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/10/18/2497635/rany-revisiting-baseballs-aging-curve
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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Whatevs
Sox had third best fielding percentage in MLB this season a .987 AND THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS.
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this year, yes, but as been said here time & again: the hitting has killed 2011 team
here’s what I found from Fox Sports for team defensive ranks
2010 .983 14th in MLB
2009 .981 27th in MLB
2008 .983 19th in MLB
2007 .982 22nd in MLB
That’s as far back as it goes. Not berry goo.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
he's being sarcastic. and fielding percentage is nearly worthless.
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by MarketMaker on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
well that's fine
all this stat stuff is over my head anyway :(
But, IIRC, the Sox did suck defensively in years before 2011.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
a lot of that terrible defense you cite is jermaine dye.
just using UZR, the white sox were -143.4 between 2006 and 2011. jermaine dye was -85.2.
by larry on Oct 18, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
yeah you could argue that
the problem really just boils down to Jermaine Dye, Adam Dunn and Alex Rios.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Oct 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I long for the days of jermaine dye.
at least he could hit the fucking ball.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
At least until his last three months.
But I wouldn’t count on you to hold a prolonged slump against somebody sfor year.
And years.
Aaaaaaaaaand years.
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by Jim Margalus on Oct 18, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
that's exactly the kind of comment i'd expect from a racist.
next you’re going to tell me that juan pierre has been killing our team wOBA.
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by MarketMaker on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I too like Kenny Williams. It is well past time to ask if he at least needs a break, though.
For a good number of years during the middle of his tenure as GM, Williams’ dedication and experience along with his high-payout approach are what made the Sox flourish as an upper-mid market team. Lately, though, the risks have been bigger, the payout smaller, and the mistakes have turned from the forgivable Teahen/Linebrink type to albatross contract blunders and losing valuable MLB ready, cheap talent. He’s made the same mistakes recently that he would capitalize on from other GMs. I suppose it’ll be worthwhile to see where this new approach and manager goes. I’m sure it took quite a toll on him, and I’ll bet KW’s plenty relieved Ozzie’s gone.
It wouldn’t hurt to put more into developing young talent, either.
What? How does he avoid culpability there?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Oct 18, 2011 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ozzie had no influence whatsoever on the players he was given.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 18, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes?
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 18, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
c'mon colin, the man was so desperate for some defense
he even tried to get some out of the DH spot. he clearly saw this problem and tried to amend it.
why is CF and 1B so close together?
considering the combined crapfest CF has been. is it simply the defense?
by obnoxious american on Oct 18, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions
It's incorrect.
Looking at the 2011 1B fWAR values by team, the “Replacement Runs” given to each team ranges from 21.2 to 42.6. That makes no sense, the amount of plate appearances from first basemen between top and bottom team wouldn’t vary by over 100%.
Seems that for the team WAR by position function, Fangraphs is just taking the aggregate WAR for all players they deemed played the position (which also doesn’t appear to be accurate), regardless how much of their value was actually earned at that position.
by 3E8 on Oct 18, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
great.
sigh.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
are you thinking you're gonna manually do the math on this?
because it’s definitely an interesting line of thought. (a lot more work too)
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It still shows our hitters sucked and our pitchers were great.
Regardless the position the hitters played.
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So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Oct 19, 2011 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Would you rather be right or
President? The President is employed.
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by winningugly on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
So is Colin.
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by The Cheat on Oct 18, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs

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