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Reading Room: Ozzie adds input to Cooper drama

Don Cooper has been an employee of the White Sox since 1988, and over the last 23 years, he developed into one of baseball's finest pitching coaches on the strength of his ability to teach old dogs new tricks.

Given his decades-old association with the club and the performance of his pitchers, it's not unusual for the White Sox to prioritize his return over the rest of the coaching staff.

Of course Joe Cowley -- using the words of Ozzie Guillen -- chooses to interpret Cooper's extension in a different light.

"Cooper needs to look in the mirror,’’ Guillen told the Sun-Times. "He didn’t back-stab me. I know who he is. He back-stabbed his fellow coaches, the guys he worked with for years. You got family? That’s fine. Everyone does. We all knew Coop was Kenny’s b----.

"Look, Coop is not a good coach; he’s a great coach. But Coop is Coop. He doesn’t worry about anyone; he worries about himself. I stuck up for my coaches like a m-----------.

And at the end, Guillen drops this gem:

"Since last year, this was about integrity, it was about loyalty, it was about do they want me here. Let me say it my way: The Sox were saying, ‘Yes, we want to f--- you, but we don’t want to marry you.’ ’’

Was that before or after Guillen f---ed the White Sox with his managing?

While Guillen made his voice heard through the Sun-Times, Kenny Williams chose to respond through the funny pages. See what I'm talking about below the jump.

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(h/t to Kurt at Baseball Think Factory)

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STRETCH! Daryl Van Schouwen pulls out the Jump to Conclusions Mat after hearing that Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to move up his dinner date with the Gentleman Masher, though it's a neat thought.

In fact, it led me to a couple others:

  1. This wouldn't be much different from Mark McGwire serving as the St. Louis Cardinals' hitting coach. That decision raised plenty of eyebrows, but the Cardinals seem happy with it.
  2. This would be the second time Thome took the job Frank Thomas wanted. It would take a lot of Big Hurt Beer to ease that big hurt.

Also filing under "wait and see," Jon Heyman says the White Sox are expected to try to bring back Mark Buehrle on a two-year deal. That's not nearly as far-fetched as Jim Thome: Hitting Coach, but it seems like the process will be a seven-week ordeal still.

Plus, the White Sox might have to increase their offer to three years in order to catch his attention. I mean, if they leave it at two, then how can Buehrle resist that sexy, sexy offer to bolt to the Boston bullpen?

James looks at the five biggest plays on each side of the ledger, as determined by WPA.

Satchel Price names his divisional All-Star team, and it's bad news in tennis shoes when no White Sox are in the starting lineup.

(Also, Satchel notes that fWAR gives Gavin Floyd a better year than Mark Buehrle.)

RIPPED FROM 2009'S HEADLINES!

One scout says the White Sox haven't had a real drafting problem, and that is probably true enough. It just happens to be low tide at the pier right now, due to a recent spate of graduations.

I think the Sox scouting department does OK with what it has. The problem is that it doesn't have a lot due to circumstances beyond its control. No team spends less on the draft than the White Sox, because they simply don't prioritize it, whether by failing to collect high-round draft picks or losing they ones they have. Sometimes they'll shed a first-day pick by signing a Type A free agent, and other times they'll trade David Holmberg. Throw in the lack of an international system, and you'll have a farm system that can't help but hit rough patches. This is one of them.

Also, consult Larry's AFL FanPost for discussion on MLB.com's organizational all-stars.

And finally....

I laughed.

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if kenwo still thinks ozzie is returning to the sox...

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 1:12 AM CDT reply actions  

clarify, keeping a door open to returning whatever years later..

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

because he spoke badly about cooper? big deal.

i still say he’ll manage here again. book it.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 18, 2011 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

after a change in ownership, who knows i suppose

but this article reflects quite poorly on ozzie, he should just shut up and move on

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps more than after a change of GM than a change of ownership

Guillen can be pretty perfect jerk…one who could do with a little bit of diplomacy in his words. Maybe he will gain that with the addition of years of experience. One thing Guillen does not seem to be is a hypocrite, and I like that. He stands by his actions and words. He shoulders his responsibility, and he is not hypocrite. Watch it… I am not saying that Coop is hypocrite. I like Cooper too. Some people immeditely jump at Guillen for saying what he said…. Cooper started it. Guillen would have not say (probably) what he said on Monday if Cooper didn’t (sorta) accused him for not looking out for his coaches.

by JofpGallagher on Oct 18, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

cooper started it?

what? cooper responded to cowley (i.e. ozzie).

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie, er joe cowley, er ozzie, i get them mixed up

but one of them called coop judas, remember?

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 18, 2011 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do we actually have proof that Cooper started it other than Ozzie saying Cooper started it?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 18, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Coop confirmed in his Score call-in rant that he went to Kenny for an extension on his own

Which, in Cowleyland, would probably equal confirmation of a conspiracy where Cooper turned into Kenny’s mole.

Problem is, Ozzie is completely ignoring the likelihood that his performance is what got him his exit to Miami. Easier to imagine Coop as Judas than look at himself. Not unusual I guess.

by Titan52 on Oct 18, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

that video almost made the horrible year of anguish and the

pending fear of 3 more years to follow almost worth it

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Oct 18, 2011 1:15 AM CDT reply actions  

larry's.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Oct 18, 2011 2:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I also laughed - loudly.

The Chumbawumba was perfect.

Oh, also: “larry’s”.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 18, 2011 6:58 AM CDT reply actions  

(Sigh). Unfortunate, but not unexpected. We all predicted that Ozzie would say something.

Doesn’t really change anything, let’s hope the White Sox don’t take the bait.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

This, this, and this.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.

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by Chiburb on Oct 18, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know Ozzie won't though. He can't help himself, he lives here, he's best known as being a baseball player here,

and he has opinions. Ozzie is going to say crap that drives us crazy, but the important thing is for the White Sox to ignore it.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Dunn video would be LOL funny if he didn't play for the Sox

2011 SEASON FUN FACT:

Adam Dunn – 1 HR per every 45 PAs (11 total)

Brent Lillibridge – 1 HR per every 17 PAs (13 total)

Ergo, if Brent was a starter, he’d be on pace to hit around 40 dingers. :)

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by tailgater on Oct 18, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

ok.

so did they scrap the whole thing then?

by obnoxious american on Oct 18, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think there's a semblance of an international program

There’s Miguel Gonzalez, Juan Silverio, and the 19 year old Venezuelan kid in A ball that got a mention in that MiLB org all star story larry posted for example. And there was a story last week about Kenny making a trip to the DR and it looks like there’s a Sox team in the Dominican Summer League. So there’s something. I just don’t know that it’s producing more than a trickle. But that’s about all I can know. I’d love to know more about the state of the international program.

by Titan52 on Oct 18, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because of the Duane Shaffer tenure?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

because of the dave wilder tenure

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Over time, the Wilder story has to be a less valid explanation though.

I would think by now that the Sox problems in the DR would be shifting to perceptions of cheapness instead of perceptions of corruption. Especially in an environment that is itself highly corrupt.

The Yankees fired their head Latin American and Dominican scouts over kickbacks not long after Wilder got fired, I don’t get the sense that people see their international program hurting.

I’m more inclined to think it’s about not spending at this point.

by Titan52 on Oct 18, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

KW said as much

Money from the international program was shifted at the end of 2004 to pay for Tadahito.

by ParisSox on Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, you mean Kenny's close confidant

Nice move, Kenny. Way to eff up our international farm system.

by ForeverFisk72 on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is taking so long

That deal in which the Miami Herald was going to send a junior copywriter and an intern photographer to the Sun-Times in exchange for Cowley was supposed to be done weeks ago.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Oct 18, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The video is from the Something Awful forums.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3440245

Look up other posts by Gendo. He has an incredible Red Sox video and a pretty good recent Milwaukee one.

by Pander on Oct 18, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

He blackballed Ozney out of baseball forever

Every MLB team thinks the Sox will take him so they can’t use their draft picks on him.

by notoneyguillen on Oct 18, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Away Ozzie

Go win in Miami. If you really want to piss people off, go win and live a good life.

by 815Sox on Oct 19, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Also, it just seems that Ozzie is really upset he had to leave

Like he really still cannot believe the Sox moved on without him. However, he was the one who ran his mouth. But whatever, the Sox have bigger problems to worry about right now.

by 815Sox on Oct 19, 2011 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't blame him.

He has his issues and is not perfect. But his boss failed more than he did and is still in town.

Imagine that…. Ozzie is upset about that.

by LorenzoBandini on Oct 19, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie seemed to be intentionally managing at less than his best.

i don’t think you can say that about kenny, for all his faults.

by craigws on Oct 19, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Kenny showed up for work and at least tried or displayed false hustle. Oz couldn’t even pretend to give a shit.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 19, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just like Manny.

Hmmm…

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 20, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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