What Robin Ventura can learn from Game 5
It was awfully courteous of Tony La Russa and Ron Washington to showcase every one of Ozzie Guillen's bad managerial habits in Game 5 of the World Series. Now, Robin Ventura only has to go through about 3 1/2 hours of film instead of 162 games' worth in order to understand why many of Guillen's moves just didn't help.
Too many intentional walks
What Guillen did: In 2011, Guillen ordered 50 intentional walks, far and away the highest total in the American League (the Yankees were second with 43).
In Game 5: La Russa and Washington combined for a ludicrous six intentional walks, and the calls made less sense as the game went on. In the seventh inning, Washington called for an intentional walk on Albert Pujols ... with the bases empty ... and two outs ... after a 1-1 count. It nearly blew up in Washington's face, as Pujols went to third on a single to left-center, but after another intentional walk to Lance Berkman, David Freese hit a routine fly to center to end the inning.
La Russa's IBB turned out to be the base-giving straw that broke the Cardinals' backs. He called for Octavio Dotel to face a pair of righties after Michael Young's leadoff double in the eighth inning. Dotel struck out Adrian Beltre on three pitches, and he looked to be a great matchup against Nelson Cruz. Cruz is mediocre against righties, whereas Dotel is murder for them.
But La Russa took the ball out of Dotel's hands, Marc Rzepczynski botched a comebacker, and then, for some reason, faced Mike Napoli.
Too many sacrifice bunts
What Guillen did: The 2011 White Sox finished second in the American League in sac bunts with 52, three behind Kansas City.
In Game 5: In the second inning, the Cardinals had runners on first and second and nobody out. David Freese hit a flyout to right for the first out, but Yadier Molina came through with a single for one run, and Skip Schumacher drove in another run with a grounder to first. St. Louis grabbed a quick 2-0 lead.
In the third, fifth and eighth innings, La Russa called for sacrifice bunts. In each of the three innings he played for one run, the Cardinals scored zero runs.
Washington provided a helpful contrast here. In the eighth inning, Washington had a traditional bunting situation with a runner on second and nobody out. But Beltre was at the plate, so instead of making a bad bunter attempt to do something out of his skill set, he let Beltre swing away.
Beltre struck out, but the Rangers still found themselves with a runner on third and one out thanks to Rzepczynski's error-called-a-single, and Napoli sealed the deal with his two-run double. All six runs were scored without the aid of a bunt.
Putting runners in motion just because
What Guillen did: At 60 percent, the 2011 White Sox had by far the lowest stolen base efficiency rate in the American League (Cleveland was second-worst at 68 percent).
In Game 5: On two different occasions, Allen Craig attempted steals of second with Albert Pujols at the plate. The first one was due to some kind of communication and/or mental breakdown -- Joe Buck and Tim McCarver suggested that Pujols called the hit-and-run, but he didn't swing. Jon Heyman said it might've come from the bench. Nobody and everybody took responsibility for it, and as an end result, the Cardinals' best hitter was at the plate with the bases empty (not that Washington could turn down an opportunity to intentionally walk him).
The second was more costly. With a 3-2 count, Pujols took three swings and pitches that appeared to be a little out of the strike zone, possibly in order to protect Craig, who was running. When he swung and missed at the third one, Napoli was more than ready to make a throw to second, and he had Craig out at second in plenty of time.
The impulse to send Craig is understandable to some degree -- Pujols hit into a league-leading 29 double plays in 2011, and double plays look really bad. But Joe Posnanski put it best:
La Russa effectively compromised his best hitter, who was representing the tying run, to stay out of a less likely double-play scenario. Wow.
The moral of the story
The Rangers gave up four bases in a close game with intentional walks; the Cardinals only gave up half as many. On the other hand, they bunted three times. Throw in the two caught-stealings, and they wasted five outs.
At least Washington stopped trying to force the issue. In the eighth inning, he let his good players try to win the game doing what they do well, while La Russa took the ball away from Dotel in the eighth, and then the bat from Pujols in the ninth.
Guillen became intentional-walk happy as a manager, and in 2009 and 2010, he led the league in "bombs" -- The Bill James Handbook's name for intentional walks that led to runs, plural. We'll see if that's the case when the newest edition comes out next week.
Likewise, his White Sox finished with the league's worst stolen base rate in three of the last five seasons -- and each time, they had a below-average team OBP. So not only did the White Sox struggle to reach base, but they felt like they could afford to lose the precious few baserunners they had.
From what Kenny Williams has said on the matter, he wants to make the job for Ventura as simple as possible. Don Cooper will provide plenty of help on the pitching side, but when it comes to strategy, Ventura can simplify matters by reacting to Game 5's lessons: 1) Allow your good players chances to make good plays, 2) don't make them do things they're bad at, and 3) don't give up outs.
Granted, there were a lot of things Guillen couldn't help, but his propensity to interfere often compounded issues. Ventura might have the same misfiring offense, so he shouldn't make it harder than it has to be. Otherwise, he might give himself a headache.

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i really liked this article.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/15820541/in-moneyball-world-youngs-legacy-has-become-fuzzy
it also mentions harold baines and his hall of fame case.
I really like michael young too. wish we could have gotten him when those rumors were out there. sure he makes a lot of money but at least he produces- unlike the guys we pay a lot of money to.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
What I really like about the article is....
….. how Sabermetrics made Michael Young look averagish while Carlos Santana is catapulted to his level in last year stats…bullshit. That’s why I keep sabermetrics as a another tool to assess a baseball player’s abilities, but not the one with the absolute truth….not even close. I say this because countless of times I read people saying Player A with a WAR of 3.1 is better than player B with a WAR of 2.8. When I see that, I read player A has better WAR than player B instead of player A is better than player B
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason Young has looked averagish for his career
is because he’s kind of averagish. He’s had three great seasons. He’s been a league average bat (106 OPS+) while playing poor defense at every position he’s played. Santana is “catapulted” to his level because while he only hit .239, he drew 97 walks and hit 27 homeruns as a catcher. Having your catcher hit like that is more valuable than having your DH/3B/1B hybrid who can’t actually play any of those positions well put up an .854 OPS.
Casually shitting on Santana’s numbers is the same thought process that led to Napoli winding up getting traded twice this winter. “Oh, he’s only a career .251 hitter (numbers before this season). He’s not that valuable!” Meanwhile, looking at those scary new numbers that all the kids seem to like using showed that he was a very valuable hitter, especially because you can get away with playing him behind the plate. This is what you keep missing.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Oct 25, 2011 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
well, one of them is playing in the world series, while the guy you like is sitting at home, so who's right?
/somehow an argument people make
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I wanted to trade for Napoli last year while his stock was low.
Granted, I also wanted us to sign Dunn an LaRoche.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i'd love to have been a fly on the wall as tony reagins is making napoli a part of that trade.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
"So we get three time All-Star and three time Gold Glove winner Vernon Wells and all you want is our power hitting catcher and a fourth outfielder?
I’d be crazy to say no!"
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, larry called Napoli as a valuable piece, big time.
Big props to larry. Was thinking that last night. Fucker is right more often than not.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Everybody who's halfway into sabermetrics did
the same. Position adjustment is a big deal. The Jays and Rangers got that, the Angels and pretty much everyone else didn’t.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Mathis called a better game.
It was in my basement but still.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 25, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't KenWo also suggest we trade for him?
him = napoli
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
He called Frank Francisco "a pretty nice haul" in return for Napoli.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
(Quiet voice). Withdrawn.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
you are taking me out of context there.
i meant the fact that they got francisco and rivera while getting rid of wells and his contract was a nice haul.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
what you're missing is that young is the heart and soul of his team. a true leader.
when he’s not bitching about a position change because he’s a shit defender and demanding trades, of course.
by larry on Oct 25, 2011 8:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget how he contributes to the scrappy team narrative by hampering payroll with his team high 5/$80MM contract.
Can’t be mid-market without him!
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
what did you think of paul molitor?
Molitor: .306/.369/.448
Young: .304/.350/.451
neither one could play defense worth a shit.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Molitor was never hailed as a great defensive player though.
I know I’ve seen people describe Young as such.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
one measure of defense
has molitor has essentially replacement level for his career on defense. young is -8 dWAR.
i'm just saying they are pretty much the same type hitter.
lots of line drives, not much power… basically the same numbers. i don’t think i need to adjust for shit to see that they aren’t very far off.
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Pos:
Maybe this is bothering me because the Michael Young deification is driving me up the wall. Young has been a good player in his career. Not a great player. Not close to a great player. But a good player. A solid player. He won a batting average title. He’s a .300 hitter who doesn’t walk, has played several positions but none of them especially well, he has shown a little pop in large part because he has had the good fortune to play his entire career in a great hitters ballpark. He gets a lot of points for leadership, and he might indeed be a Patton-like leader in the clubhouse, but I also know that Young has twice complained loudly and publicly when the Rangers moved his position. His career WAR, at this moment anyway, is almost exactly the same as Dave Henderson and Melvin Mora. His career 106 OPS+ is the same as Don Money and Bill Doran and David DeJesus. All of this seems to place him firmly in the “good but not close to great” column.
And yet, all postseason I’ve been hearing Michael Young hosannas. Great player. Classy player. Fantastic player. Leader. Role model. Hero. Even this would be OK if Michael Young was having a great postseason. But at last check he was hitting .207 in the postseason. I don’t get it.
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/10/baseball-on-fox.html#more
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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And there goes my plan for Thursday's post.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Quickest way to make god laugh? Tell him your plans.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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Quickest way to make U-God laugh?
play this little piggy went to market.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
one has an OPS+ of 122 and a wOBA of .366.
the other has an OPS+ of 106 and a wOBA of .348. yeah, you have to adjust for that shit.
if young has another solid 6 seasons and gets to 3000
he’s a hall of famer just like molitor is. and just like biggio is going to be. i’m not saying he’s the greatest (and really i didn’t all that much of molitor and biggio either- it made me sick when molitor was voted best dh of all time or whatever award that was)
but god dammit i wish the sox had a guy like that.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
You're just keeping this going so you don't have to address that idiot St.Tony:
I mean, this is The Smartest Manager in the World™; are we really supposed to assume that this situation has never occurred to him before, and that he has no contingency plans to make sure that the right pitcher warms up to go in the game? And that it never occurs to him to make sure it’s the right pitcher until he’s ready to put him in? I’ve seen many, many much stupider managers who didn’t have this problem — and all of a sudden, TLR does, and he’s just an innocent bystander while the game is lost by the wrong pitchers?
I’m sorry, but to me this sounds like a transparent attempt to throw Derek Lilliquist under the bus to make sure TLR and his ego don’t have to take the blame for a painful loss. Of course Lilliquist goes along with it — I’m sure he doesn’t want LaRussa mad at him, and it shouldn’t hurt him much at all in the long run — but still, I don’t think this is right.
by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 25, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
the stolen base in the 9th was an awful move.
but the fact the cardinals are even in position to be criticized is because of larussa’s efforts.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i'd be more inclined to give credit to the players
with additional assistance provided by atlanta’s monumental collapse.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
sure.
the manager gets credit for that too. the sox were in better position than the cardinals were on september 1st. we saw what a manager who quits on his team does to the ball club first hand.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Also not having 3 total offensive voids in your lineup.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
he's the same type hitter as those 2.
they each had success late in their careers. Young is 35 and hasn’t slowed down. i think it is entirely possible he keeps getting 185-200 hits for another 5 years.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
durham never hit .300 once
young has done it 7 times… and 6 of those times he was over .310.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
and he can't help the ball park that he plays in
did people cut down boggs for playing at fenway? sandberg for playing at wrigley? big frank for playing at the cell?
so what
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
offensively?
sure. this isn’t hard stuff. we’ve been adjusting for park for a long time now. readily available.
This is why we have OPS+.
We can sort out the noise of park factors and different eras and see that Boggs and Thomas were legit amazing talents. Young is above-average, and barely. That’s it. Staying healthy isn’t an amazing talent.
Also, let’s compare him to his peers at the position while he played. Jeter, Rodriguez, Larkin, Garciaparra, Renteria, and Tejada were all better.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
jeter, rodriguez and larkin are hall of famers too.
garciaparra flamed out too early. renteria wasn’t better. tejada isn’t going to hit any of the major milestones.
Young has a fair chance.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Renteria could actually play shortstop and has multiple rings, which the MSM love.
Tejada and Young are more similar than dissimilar, and Tejada had the better peak and actually won an MVP award.
The main point is that Michael Young has never been top five at his position.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
thats fine. but when young's numbers end up similar to molitor
you will be hearing his hall of fame speech.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
relevance being he's a pretty fucking good ballplayer.
this talk of him being “slightly above average” is pretty asinine.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
whats your beef?
He wasn’t a good defensive player. Not especially fast. Above avg hitter.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Is your argument that he'll go to the HOF
if he continues his pace for 7 more years or that he’s better than Molitor? Two very different things.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
and at a 80% clip
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
no beef.
i just think young happens to be really fucking good. others don’t. its a good baseball discussion
i don’t know why some people on here take it as “beef”.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
And no he's not really fucking good
:-)
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
he's really fucking good at making contact.
one tool never makes a player really fucking good.
by larry on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
players with similar production
ryne sandberg, craig biggio, paul molitor, barry larkin
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
no. but nice try.
i can agree on biggio. but he’s just a longevity player.
sandberg has similar but slightly better offense. however, there’s a chasm of 140 runs on defense. molitor has superior offensive production and a huge gap on defense. larkin has superior offensive production, a chasm on defense and a chasm in position adjustment.
larkin only has 2 more gold gloves and short than young does.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
ok i admit i said that to get under your skin
people do it to me all the time.
haha
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Hall of The Very Good. Fixed.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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thats fine. but when young’s numbers end up similar to molitor
or maybe an .800 OPS DH won’t get enough playing time over the next six or seven years to reach those totals. even if he is capable of avoiding the age-related decline that most players experience.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
young is a two tool player.
one of which, hitting for average, is elite. the other, baserunning, is above average.
i luuuved to watch ray run.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i've been closely monitoring this argument to make sure ray doesn't get thrown under the bus.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
if you're reading someone who is saying that a player with a WAR of 3.1 is absolutely better than a player with a 2.8
that person is a fucking idiot and you should stop reading.
by larry on Oct 25, 2011 8:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
uh huh
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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
if it was pujols that called the hit and run,
then he surely has to swing at that pitch no matter what, right? because otherwise he is just making craig look like a prick. and I don’t like it when people make craig look like a prick.
that’s my job.
by craigws on Oct 25, 2011 2:07 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Great post
Jim,
Wonderful job of explaining why tonight’s World Series game seemed so familiar to Sox fans who endured Guillen’s fascination with doing things that lower your teams chances of winning. Great comparisons of Guillen’s flaws to tonight’s horrible managing and offer encouragement to us Ventura doubters that maybe he can avoid the same mistakes. Still baffled at how so many major league managers of multimillion dollar teams continue to get is so wrong so often. IBB’s, sacrifice bunts, and a sub 75% stolen base efficiency simply lower your teams chances of doing what the manager is getting paid to do, win.
I politely disagree with you Jim
The example of the intentional walks. Regardless of how ugly or inelegant the intentional walk to Pujols in the 7th was, the result that Washington was looking after is to avoid the opposing team to score, and guess what, Washington achieved that!!! So it was a good strategy!
Just imagine if he didn’t walk Pujols and Pujols hit a homer. That would have changed that game.
I agree with your other comparisons. Good examples.
That is some fantastically awful logic.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
In formal logic there is actually an unofficial name for his mistake
confusing modus tollendo tollens and scrambling it with MPP you get “modus morons.” Which is assuming because you have a consequent and a conclusion and you assume that the antecedent is not true.
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by soxshenanigans on Oct 25, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This was examined a great deal when McGwire was doing his thing
The results were pretty conclusive. It’s really never a good idea to just intentionally walk a batter without a runner on.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
ahhhhh!!!!!!!
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Just because something "worked" doesn't mean it was a good idea.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you are right...but
I take a bad idea that works over a good idea that could fail. As we say in my country, “mas un pajaro en la mano que cien volando” (trs: [For a hunter] It worth more to have one bird in your hand, than 100 out flying)
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
In our country we say "beer goggles".
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
You're mixing ideas.
You don’t know whether the good idea/bad idea will work/fail until put into practice. But you do have the numbers saying that the bad idea is a bad idea and the good idea is the opposite. You’re basically saying that betting on rolling boxcars at a craps table and succeeding is a better idea than betting on the pass line.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
It isn't? No wonder they have some of my money in Vegas...
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
they got some of me and hawk's money, too.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
You don’t know whether the good idea/bad idea will work/fail until put into practice.
The “bad idea” was put into practice… Pujols was walked. Didn’t score. Success to my eyes.
The “good idea” is mere speculation. We will never know it
To be honest with you, I don’t care too much if it was a good or a bad idea. Whatever it was, it succeed, and taking credit off because of a successful outcome is my point It’s like the "winning ugly" thingy. As long as it works….good!
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I am just giving my points as I see things. You and others are welcome to deem it as trolling, or awful logic. I mean, that’s how world is, some people see things one way, give their opinions, end of the story. Some other people see it the other way, give their opinions, and end of the story.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You cross the street without looking either way. You don't get hit by a car.
Doesn’t mean in the future you shouldn’t look both ways before you cross the street.
Yes, in this case, Pujols didn’t score. But the preponderance of statistical evidence says, “don’t do it.”
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks mentor....wondered where you were....
That is an unfair counterargument because you are putting pitching to AP as looking both ways before crossing the street which usually leads to a harmless outcome….not the case when pitching to Pujols.
That argument only should apply if you refer to Adam Dunn.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I see your point
And it’s a valid point.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
here's the problem
no one disputes what the result is. what people are interested in, and interested in discussing, is the thought process behind the result. you have stated you don’t care what the thought process is. fine, your stance is clear. there’s really nowhere left to go on the subject.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Oct 25, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
here's the other problem.
at least around here i imagine the majority of the people have a difficult time accepting your viewpoint which they would deem, at a minimum, odd and probably ranging all the way to unreasonable and/or nonsensical, and would attempt to persuade you to alter your mindset. i, however, have chosen to accept it.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Oct 25, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
trying to change peoples' minds sucks.
people are the worst.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
It seems you are saying you are accepting I am an idiot…hahaha
I am whatever you all think I am. I am not gonna try to alter anybody’s mind. I am like you in that aspect. I don’t considering myself an idiot though. Coming from a small farm town in a 3rd world country. A town that does not even appear in maps (We got our first phone line in the 1990s). I got out of there in 1987…I got various career degrees, 2 degrees in chemistry, one in accounting, and a master degree. During my studies, I spent some time with a budget that allowed me to eat bread and butter only, and at some points I had to sleep hidden in the university’s business building in a sleeping bag coz I didn’t have a place to stay. I was not (and will not be) special or unique on that, and I am sure many of you here also had difficult times in different or similar circumstances in life and survived…I am also a CPA. I speak two languages, and know a little bit of some other ones. I am a self taught musician… I play piano and guitar decently, and never took a single music lesson in my life…I can also sing a little, and have written a few songs. I even formed a band.
I am very stubborn probably because of the hurdles I have to overcome in my life. I give you that. I don’t give in easily (I wouldn’t be where I am if I did), and I don’t take shit from anyone…. I may not know a lot about baseball, coz I don’t have to…but I do love the Whitesox and the Mets, and I like talking about it. There is a lot of intelligent people here like Larry and u-God….intelligent yet rude and uncouth but that’s up to them …there is passionate people and kind and nice like Kenwo and Jim….Baseball’s my favorite sport….and I will keep talking about it no matter what or how many insults I get from here and there…. People telling me I am an idiot?…pfffft….I really don’t care.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is calling you dumb
they are just trying to open your eyes to another point of view you hadn’t thought about. Your point of view on this is not progressive and goes with conventional baseball thinking and there is nothing wrong with that. Whether uncouth or with decent sentiment everyone here is trying to alter your singular point-of-view and open you to myriad other possibilities and a more correct viewpoint on sample sizes.
Yet you still don't get it- "larry"
;P
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 25, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
if you admit that you "may not know a lot about baseball",
then why do you insist on talking about/bashing the benefits (or lack thereof) of WAR and sabermetrics when you make a point?
no one is telling you not to speak from your own point of view, but either do so on the stuff you are informed about or make an effort to inform yourself so as to join in the conversations that use such stats. you don’t have to believe in their worth, just learn what it is you’re talking about.
Hey! Leave him alone!
He has a mentor after all.
Besides, he was one of the (very) few who tried the Argentine/tango opera I suggested during a game.
Hee.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
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Actually,....
I have read quiet a lot about WAR and UZR, and briefly about some other sabermetrics stats, and I know my stuff. I happen to understand statistics pretty well. One of my favorite courses I took during my studies. If you review my posts, practically the only two I speak about are UZR and WAR which are the only ones I am informed about. That does not make me a baseball know-it-all, thus i stand by my phrase you quoted above.
I am not an erudite, and I don’t need to be. I come here for fun, but also to find interesting reading material. I did make some crappy comments in the past, and I recognized that fact. Nowadays, I try to make more sense of what I say… that does not mean that I am error free or everyone will agree with me. When I read outstanding analysis, or comments, I rec’ed it, and praised it in comments. I do that even when I disagree with some ideas. I have a mind of my own, and I feel entitled to my own opinions.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
make your mind up then, either you "may not know a lot about baseball"
or you “know your stuff”. you can’t have it both ways.
also erudite is not a noun. just fyi.
I know something, but I don't know a lot
I think my phrase was reasonably OK. Thanks for the erudite being an adjective…it’s the same in Spanish although it’s common among Hispanics (Including me) to tend to use it as a noun.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 26, 2011 5:58 AM CDT up reply actions
kind and nice?
man. 2008 KenWo is upset right now at 2011 KenWo. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I can tell that you are not a poker player.
Results-oriented thinking has been the downfall of many players. A bad idea is still a bad idea even if there is an occasional positive outcome. In this situation, the runs that you save are less than the runs that you give up, in the long run. The fact that the Cardinals did not score any runs had more to do with luck than with Washington making a good decision.
This space is available.
the world is filled with people that don't understand the central tenets of small sample size.
which is why it’s one of the most commonly used terms on this site.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I do not play poker...you got that right
I don’t even know how to play it.
by JofpGallagher on Oct 25, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I would've applauded Washington's "outside the box" thinking
as opposed to saying it was risky. The “conventional” wisdom is that you don’t put him on as the lead run. Joe Maddon gets praised for walking in a run with the bases loaded, intentionally, to take the bat out of a hot hitter’s hands (Bonds?) and preserve a lead but Washington gets castigated for walking a guy who hit 3 dongs the previous night?
Be consistent here, Jim. Ballsy move that was against the “book” that ended up working. The “almost blew up in his face” is a lot of second-guessing that obscures the imaginative strategy. I don’t agree with the logic used by JofpG but I agree with the conclusion.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I thought it was Hamilton, not Bonds.
And Jim praised that?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Hamilton is correct, which is why I put a "?" on Bonds.
IIRC the move was praised, yes.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Jonah Keri devotes a couple of pages to this move
in his book The Extra 2%. While he addresses the potential pitfalls of the move, he essentially praises Maddon’s outside-the-box thinking.
agree
Pujols is kind of an outlier inthat situation. Holliday is struggling during the series, I’d rather pitch to him with two out and a man on first, than pitch to Pujols.
Plus every camera shot at the end of the game on Washington, kind of looked like a guy jonesing for a couple bumps.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 25, 2011 7:37 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Who praised Madden for that?
Cowley?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
you think the cards not scoring was a good conclusion for the rangers
now there’s a highly controversial position.
by larry on Oct 25, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm suggesting certain behaviors seen as "push-button"
i.e. sac bunting, IBB’s, etc. are being panned and a move that is not on that list is being panned. I’d praise the move.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I thought this piece was really fun, it is almost toungue in cheek
kind of making fun of Ventura but at the same time over-dramatically analyzing the abject failure and over-meddling of the two managers in last night’s World Series game.
I am being consistent.
Remember what I was saying about wanting the next White Sox manager to stop sidestepping conflict?
Intentionally walking Pujols with the bases empty and a 1-1 count = avoiding conflict.
And Pujols hit three homers two days before. The day before, he went hitless. He also went hitless in Game 2. And Game 1. He’s 0-for-12 in all games not named Game 3.
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by Jim Margalus on Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes to win
you don’t go head to head. Or that’s what my divorce attorney says. So does Sun Tzu. Hard to say you always play the percentages. Sometimes a hunch is warranted. Or we don’t win the Battle of the Bulge.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 25, 2011 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
a hunch is warranted when the matter at issue is of the 50/50ish type.
game theory also can play a factor, to ensure the opponent does not always know what is coming.
intentionally walking albert pujols to get to matt holliday is not one of those situations.
yep
The Sun Tzu or similar examples are such that doing something that is less optimal is helped by surprise.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I use it on my kids in video games.
Crush em every time.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I can only imagine the trash talk.
“The quality of decision is like the well-timed swoop of a falcon which enables it to strike and destroy its victim SUCKA!!!!!”
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 25, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, you are so wise and philosophical.
Please continue, and perhaps extrapolate that ancient writings have no relevance in today’s world. Please also include religious teachings, and perhaps throw in some Kantian phrases that are dusty.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
i want to ram my head through a brick wall after each philosophy class
i wish it wasn’t required
NAOPOS
Some of the Cards' dodgy pitching moves
blamed on noise.
Wave to the dugout, Lance.
Tony La Russa And The Bullpen Phone: An Assortment Of Explanations
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I have 0 problem with an intentional walk every now and then.
especially to set up a double play. i think last night was a little extreme walking pujols… but if that dude was safe at 2nd i would have walked him.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
No one is saying all intentional walks are bad
but with no on in that spot, yes its bad.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
and with a 1-1 count.
maybe people need to be reminded that pujols makes an out 60% of the time. he hits a home run 6% of the time.
and against Ogando:
Ogando is no ordinary right-handed pitcher. For his career (postseason not included, since we don’t have L/R splits for the playoffs), Ogando allowed just five home runs to 394 right-handed batters – just a 1.3% HR/PA rate. Yes, Pujols took him deep in Game Three, but the odds of that happening again were close to 1-in-20, and that’s before we even adjust for the fact that Ogando already had one strike in the bank.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-ibbs-attack/
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
In that spot?
Nope.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
hey with Dunn's year its close!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
ideal game for those of us who are rooting against both teams.
i’ve said it before, i think larussa is a psycopath. i find no reason to believe pretty much anything he says. washington seems crazy.
here’s a decent roundup of reactions to the bullpen ham and jam:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_eb3bce84-ff0d-11e0-bc2f-001a4bcf6878.html
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i took some satisfaction in both managers looking like assholes in the game last night.
too bad one of them had to win.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
This.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Venchie, there's an exception to every rule...
Don’t call for the IBB, unless Miguel Cabrera is coming to the plate w/ Tigers on the bases.
White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.
in that case, call for the ihbp
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 25, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
jerry is immediately regretting the team store being built.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
another big government shake-down
a contract is a contract. article tries to turn the table and say JR started the shake-down bit in the first place threatening to move.
.
"It’s something we’ll be looking at," Mr. Jones told me.
What’s to look at?
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 25, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Any point in discussing Frank's stumping for the hitting coach job again?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
i don't know why he wants it so badly.
he’s one of the greatest hitters of all time. if he wants it that badly then let him have at it. rios had a pretty good september after speaking to frank. maybe he could do it.
that being said i doubt they will give him the opportunity. frank has had blowups with robin and kenny. they aren’t going to trust him. but choosing jeff manto or tim laker over frank thomas is pretty stupid.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I tuned in for all of 5 minutes to catch the score
and got to see Nick Punto bobble a ball which led to the next batter hitting a 2-run double. I was delighted.
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
Oh look, Epstein at his presser talking about how important it is to be aggresive
and spend during the draft.
SIGH
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
Has he been introduced to Zambrano yet?
Has he seen Soriano’s contract?
Does he EVER put down his cell phone?
Bwaaaaa haaaa ha haaaaaaa!
Good luck Theo!
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
Once he's able to flush out all of Hendry's shit, he'll right the Cubs.
They will be good eventually.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That's one big flush.
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
And one with a lot of faith being placed in it.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I agree and that's what I wonder about him
He’s never had to dig out before.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
He's smart and aggressive.
He’s also labored in a pressure cooker and been successful. I think he will do better than Hendry. A WS title? God will not allow it.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He also resigned and snuck out dressed as a gorilla once.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I'm really jealous of Cubs' fans today.
Hearing all of the emphasis on drafting and development makes me wanna fire Kenny. Damnit.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
the cubs have destroyed many a "winner"
I’ll believe it when I see it
Rongey thinks he's wrong.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
by Chiburb on Oct 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rongey knows
That stop gap veterans like Pierre and Teahen are not only a better investment than spending on the draft, that these veterans put people in the seats, and the Sox would not draw without them. This is not sarcasm. This is what Rongey posted on twitter last week.
by MelidoPerez on Oct 25, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't agree with the AP walk at the time
but, perhaps Washington’s thought process was the lesser of the 2 evils? Holliday has struk out 14 times in 50AB & has 1 HR & 5 RBI in post-season. AP has 9 SO, 5 HR & 16 RBI in 61AB. I don’t know what Ogando’s stats are against either guy but I can see the logic. "Don’t put leading run on," is true but so is, "don’t let their best player beat you."
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
by lastof12 on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Regarding Theo Epstein
I know this is not a Cubs blog site, thank christ, but the Epstein hiring today effects White Sox baseball profoundly. I am fully aware that he is not god of all things baseball and that he cannot walk on water. The fact remains, that he is supremely talented, young, energetic, intelligent etc. He looks at talent evaluation the way most of us here wishes our GM would.
IF he is successful in turning around this woeful Cubs franchise, I am worried it will cause a rift in my nuclear family. My son turns 2 years old this December. The little guy already likes baseball…the way things are going with the White Sox it seems we may have to suffer for a while before we can suffer through a complete retooling…during this process, Epstein will be “paying for future performance, not past performance”. When my kid is old enough to pick a favorite, his mother is a Cub fan, things might look bright and sunny on the North side. I am worried…that I…will…lose……..my son……………………..to the Cubs.
It my job to keep my daughters off a pole
It’s yours to mold a young White Sox fan. Suck it up.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Oct 25, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
If you like the Cubs....
you’re a gay.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If thats the case then explain yourself.
If my kid is a homosexual, that is fine…just…don’t become a Cub fan, Hudman…
Liking the Cubs automatically makes you gay.
But, it’s quite possible to be gay and not like the Cubs.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is this Chris Rock?
If not, give props. Oh, and how about my wine? ;)
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Divorce her now, and you keep the kid.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
Marriage is an investment, I don't want to lose that investment over something (that most people think is) trivial
Are you one of those people that feels baseball fandom is trivial?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I am one of those people that thinks ending marriage over a sport is completely retarded
Expand on your question so I can understand it better and I will answer it
(Cough). I was joking.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 25, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Work makes me serious
I did consider it bizarre that you questioned my fandom but didn’t take it to the next natural step of, “Oh he’s JOKING!”
i don't think anyone is saying you should end your marriage over it...
we are just wondering what in the hell were you switch hitting for in the first place?
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
So were tulips.
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
Section 3F paragraph 4 of my martial argreement
Father and Mother shall not argue or fight in front of the kids…..In regards to tv viewing….x amount of hours while under care (exception) any Chicago White Sox game on tv falls outside the constraints of this schedule and the black and silver can be viewed anytime (yes even the west coast games).
If spouse remarries a Cub fan custodial agreement can be revisited………..
PS – Dad must keep kids off a pole.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Oct 25, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
what if they want to be lady firemen?
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Oct 26, 2011 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I love that you call it a martial agreement
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Oct 26, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
MSA martial separation agreement
Fucker is about 45 pages long.
And no she didn’t take the ice trays.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
still don't see it?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Oct 27, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
this is really quite amazing.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Oct 27, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's my suggestion:
(I’m at the backend of child raising BTW)
1.) DON’T, I repeat, DO NOT bring your son to ANY Cub’s games. I don’t give a crap IF they’re playing at The Cell.
2.) No Cub talk of any kind, at any time. For example, “I really like the Theo hire for the Cubs. It will serve them well.” This is tantamount to treason.
3.) No Cub attire of any kind in your household. If your wife is anything like mine, she doesn’t have any anyway.
4.) Harry Cary was & always will be a Sox’ announcer. Tell your son he was having mental lapses when he headed north. Have your son listen to snippets of his telecasts in Harry’s later years as proof.
5.) Show him how much cooler black is to wear rather than baby blue.
6.) Have him watch the Sox win a World Series. If unavailable in the near future, have him watch the 2005 DVD.
7.) Get him to post at SSS when he’s old enough, but he better know WTF he’s talking about.
8.) Buy him a Konerko jersey.
9.) IF he still goes to the North Side, revel in Sox victories against the Cubs. I can’t tell you how fun it was for me when my Cub loving daughter turned 21 & they lost the game on her birthday!!! I’m still rubbing that one in…
10.) Take it all with a grain of salt. We’re all salt anyway. :)
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
by lastof12 on Oct 25, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
how do you wind up in that situation?
seriously. it would come out pretty early on that i am a huge baseball fan. if my wife (then the chick i just met) was like “oh i’m a cubs fan the ivy is so pretty tee hee”… i would have moved on to the assistant cheerleading coach.
i’m not even joking.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Yeah well she aint the ivy is pretty teehee type
Her dad and grandpa were cub fans going back many years. It would be a betrayal for her to be anything else.
tell her to burn it
he ruined Bartman’s career, you know. ;)
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
I spit out my coffee
7.) Get him to post at SSS when he’s old enough, but he better know WTF he’s talking about.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
My son will know nothing of this site, unless he finds it on his own
I don’t exactly want him to go through the archives on ole Rhubarb’s shenanigans.
you don't have to tell him your username
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Oct 25, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I’ll tell him my username was soxmachine
by Rhubarb on Oct 25, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where Triples Go To Die.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Oct 25, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bobpuller.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Oct 25, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
CSQ
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 26, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
5.) Show him how much cooler black is to wear rather than baby blue.
It’s been a while since they’ve regularly worn baby blue, hasn’t it?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I use that on my Cub fan family members.
Yea, it’s been a while since they donned the baby blues. But, do it once & it’s considered done forever. Kinda like wearing a leisure suit.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
*affects
unless you thought the Sox weren’t going to play next year unless the Cubs hired Epstein
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
See? Are you the son WU never knew about?
WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.
Mick11's SBN profile.
good article jim, but
possibly in order to protect Craig, who was running.
you don’t need to protect the runner when you are fighting off ball four. Just take ball four.
Not if the pitch if "too close to take," as they say.
Striking out looking hangs him out to dry.
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by Jim Margalus on Oct 25, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if you buy motive - and I don't - Pujols with a man on first has hit into 144 DPs in career. He's struck out 166 times.
There’s a major fault with this statistic. Approximately 2/3’s of every players at-bats are with 2 outs. Obviously, one cannot hit into a double play with two outs, but one can strike out.
I’m not going to look into the specific numbers but we can extrapolate that Pujols actually has hit about 144 * 1.5 double play balls with a man on first. This is 216 vs. 166.
Even if it’s much than a perfect analysis, it would not take many ground balls with 2 outs and a man on first to show that Pujols hits more DP balls then K’s with a man on first.
but it's not a major fault in the analysis. that minor increase only makes the decision slightly less assclownish.
It is a major flaw
In the particular analysis that is being made with that statement.
As part of a larger argument about how bad the decision is, it’s perfectly valid to include it.The correct statistic shows that he’s messing with Pujols to slightly decrease the double play risk.
But the writer says that this analysis was “even if you buy the motive” which I think demonstrates that he’s at this time throwing everything else out. He’s solely relying on this statistic to say, “hey, even if La Russa was doing this for these good reasons, it’s a bad decision because of this stat.” And that stat was flawed.
Robin Ventura will be a refreshing change from loud mouth Ozzie Guillen.
by Ronald H. Witt on Oct 26, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions

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