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White Sox Minor League Update: Snowbird Edition

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The Arizona Fall League begins tomorrow, October 4.  As a reminder, White Sox prospects play for the Mesa Solar Sox.  The participants are:

SP Terry Doyle

RP Jacob Petricka*

RP Nevin Griffith

RP Brandon Kloess

SS Tyler Saladino

OF Brandon Short

C Josh Phegley

C Mike Blanke [recently added]

*Note that me calling someone a relief pitcher is simply what role they will likely have in the AFL, not what I am projecting them to be in the future.

The fall instructional league has been going on for a couple weeks now.  Various writers have attended these games and Keith Law tweeted a couple notes about Petricka and Griffith as they warmed up for the AFL:

White Sox rhp [Jake] Petricka 91-96 but no offspeed pitch. Threw just one slider that didn't break

White Sox rhp Nevin Griffith 92-96 here in instructs. Needs a better second pitch

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While we'll have to wait until November for the various winter leagues (Venezuela, Dominican and Puerto Rico) to get going, there is some other baseball action that is of some interest.  The baseball World Cup began last weekend.  On the USA team is OF Jordan Danks, INF Andrew Garcia and P Justin Cassell.  Their first game against Japan was postponed so tonight's game against Puerto Rico is their opener.  You can follow that tournament here:

http://web.usabaseball.com/index.jsp

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FKL'sTITA.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 3, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank God they have something to do this offseason.

And now so does KenWo.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 3, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol wut
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by obnoxious american on Oct 4, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, the teeth

might better protect you from your Friday night “walks” and Saturday morning self-loathing.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Oct 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that kind of activity applied to me

You would have been the first person I came to for advice

by Rhubarb on Oct 21, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not telling.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Oct 24, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the second time in as many seasons, White Sox catching prospect Josh Phegley won’t start the Arizona Fall League season on time.

Phegley was scheduled to have his sore left wrist examined Wednesday, one day after the AFL begins play. Phegley could rejoin his Mesa Solar Sox teammates later this fall if his ailment is diagnosed as minor.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-phegley-sidelined-with-wrist-injury-replaced-by-blanke-on-afl-roster-20111003,0,7597684.story

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

the afl doesnt really matter though, right?

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by BoeJouma on Oct 5, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

DOYLE!!!!

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Oct 6, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry, do you think you will rate saladino higher in your 2012 rankings?

what’s your take on him at this point?

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 11, 2011 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Szym posted the minor league park factors

Birmingham the sixth-toughest park for homers in the minors.

Here.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 16, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Doyle's putting himself in position to get the annual AFL Prospect Stock Bump.

2008: Tyler Flowers
2009: Jordan Danks
2010: Anthony Carter

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 17, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doyle rules!

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by Rhubarb on Oct 18, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 21, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Escobar had fans before the AFL

Carter got on lists purely because of it.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 18, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago White Sox
Signed: C Adam Ricks (re-signed)
Released: RHP Chase Cooney, RHP Jean Duque, SS Jerry Puentes
Elected free agency: RHP Shane Lindsay
Removed from 40-man: RHP Kyle Cofield, RHP Josh Kinney, RHP Shane Lindsay, LHP Leyson Septimo (all four players outrighted to Triple-A)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/10/minor-league-transactions-oct-11-18/

by larry on Oct 19, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Team USA Baseball World Cup

Jim Gallagher was added to the roster recently and hit a Grand Slam in his second at bat. The one question I have is what is the overall opinion on him? He was considered the best defensive first basemen in the International League, but that doesn’t really mean a lot in the end.

by Captain_Wookie on Oct 21, 2011 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Mesa 9, Salt River 2

Saladino 2-4, BB
Short 1-5
Blanke 0-5

Doyle 4 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 4 K
Petricka 1 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 0 K, 1 WP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2011_10_22_msswin_srrwin_1

by larry on Oct 23, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

reed is minor league reliever of the year
“It’s a combination of fastball velocity and the deception in his delivery,” Perdew said. “The ball kind of jumps out of his hand — he’s got a dip-and-drive delivery. It takes off on hitters up in zone a lot. And third, he’s got really good fastball command. And a pretty good slider with good break. That’s four good reasons why he gets a lot of swings and misses.”

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111023&content_id=25766614&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

by larry on Oct 26, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

hee
Keenyn_Walker Keenyn Walker
Can’t wait for happy feet 2! Haha loved the first one and hopefully the second one is better! Robin Williams cracks me up with the 5 amigos

also, ‘dextah’ carter is a pain to follow on twitter. i no longer root for his success.

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Oct 26, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

All I’m asking for is one gem of a prospect.

by Ronald H. Witt on Oct 28, 2011 2:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Then dammit Ronald.

You shall have it.

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by U-God on Oct 28, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Short is playing great out west. Has he got MLB starter potential? Or more of a 4th OFer type?

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by MarketMaker on Oct 29, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

The cupboard is bare, so I’m trying to get excited about the ramen noodles.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a terrible analysis and methodology

its a one year snapshot and the weighting seems to be contrived to heavily favor the author’s own list.

that and a guy like Casey Kelly was projected to be in the bigs no sooner then 2012. yeah, he’s got 0 WAR so far. meh?

by coffeepac on Nov 1, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.

but, iirc from last year, i think he does it for every year PP put out a list. he’s just starting with 2010. and since the single year bias is blatantly obvious, it really doesn’t concern me. the weighting, on the other hand, strikes me as more problematic.

by larry on Nov 1, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, i'd have to think about it more than i really want to. and i don't know if there is one right way to do it.

but i think the 150% to 51% is not how i’d do it. -1 between each doesn’t seem right. higher ranked prospects should (theoretically) be worth more than that.

by larry on Nov 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, let me know if you have any ideas. I think the 1% gaps work pretty well.

P.S. Here’s 2007: http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/11/05/battle-of-the-2007-top-100s

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by Adam Foster on Nov 6, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're not evaluating the lists in the context they were written

Those lists were written as estimates of all future value for the prospects or, at least, their first six years of major league service. A large amount of those prospects are not expected to be in the majors for several seasons yet your analysis removes points for those players.

The evaluation you carried out reads more like a rating of top rated prospects in their first season of pro-ball. If that’s what you’re looking do, this could be a reasonable analysis.

by coffeepac on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

it should be weighted by expected value

those studies have been done, perhaps without ideal granularity.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 7, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I've seen these before

I feel like I’ve even seen one that did its expected value calculations with an age curve and compared based on year in majors which is best, I think.

by coffeepac on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Points are not taken away for players who have yet to reach the majors.

I went through the same exercise for 2007: http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/11/05/battle-of-the-2007-top-100s

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by Adam Foster on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I misread this line
Players who appeared on every list but one had their value (with an added 50% WAR multiplier) subtracted
from that list’s total value.

But because you are not making an apples to apples comparison, your analysis remains flawed. You should be comparing on years in majors NOT calendar years. Harper is probably the best prospect in the game and he might not make the majors because he’s 19. Any list that has him at #1 now can not get the 150% bonus for him. Or if you do it three years from now, he might only have one year in the majors by then.

by coffeepac on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not sure if that's the way to do that

there’s a reason why he’s number 1 despite his age. scouts know how old he is. i think a straight weighting system separating by pitcher or position player is the way to go.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

crap burger

I’m not going to penalize a list because its got Harper at #1 instead of whoever was best in AAA last year. The purpose of the ranking system devised by project prospect is, as larry originally said, to determine which prospect list is most trustworthy. Under that premise, any list that has a highly ranked and not expected to be in the majors prospect will be at a disadvantage even though that list may be correct.

How do you reconcile that?

by coffeepac on Nov 9, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

ah, okay. i think i misunderstood.

in that case, you should be weighting by past results. barring that, i’m not sure you should try. being an outlier is fine if you’re actually better. for instance, a ranking that heavily penalized pitchers would probably be a lot more accurate, but it would deviate substantially from the norm.

the more interesting project in that case is to figure out which lists have which tendencies. the pitcher/position player bit is a really easy call given what we know. but who prefers projectability over performance? who gives more credence to age and league? that’s the kind of thing that interests me.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

why isn't the larry list on there?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

just a thought

perhaps instead of snowbird edition, this should be the wool sox edition?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 2, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

on saladino
Saladino, meanwhile, has drawn comparisons to Tony Graffanino because of his dependable play.

“He has a chance to get to big leagues quicker than anyone thinks because of his versatility,” said Buddy Bell, the Sox’s director of player development. “Ultimately, he will play every day in the major leagues.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1106-shortstops-cubs-white-sox-chicago—20111106,0,1411239.story

by larry on Nov 7, 2011 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Dammit, you beat me to it.

My ex-wife loved watching him, which also puts him on my BuehrleMan list.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

on brandon kloess
Kloess, 26, hopes to follow Dylan Axelrod as Windy City ThunderBolts alums who resurrected their professional careers after being shunned by major league teams.

“I’m just living the dream,” said Kloess, who was a combined 7-4 with a 1.92 ERA in 39 appearances at the Class A, Double-A and Triple-A levels in 2011 after going undrafted in 2008 following his senior year at Florida Atlantic. "I never really wanted to stop. I had an injury in college that slowed me down, but I kept going out there wanting to play.

“I still love the game and didn’t want to stop at that point.”

The incentive is even greater for Kloess, who has impressed scouts with a deceptive fastball that has helped him strike out 13 in his first 81/3 innings in the AFL, including four strikeouts in 11/3 innings against Surprise on Oct. 24.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-1107-white-sox-chicago—20111107,0,411518.story

by larry on Nov 7, 2011 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

So our guys now quote Miley Cyrus?

FFS.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Terry Doyle is a righty in the Chicago White Sox organization.

Doyle presents an interesting starting pitching option for the White Sox. He is a control pitcher with a quick-paced, solid delivery and an ability to manage his game very well. Doyle pitched over two classifications in 2011. He started 11 games at Class A Winston-Salem, where he compiled a 2.84 ERA. Moving to the Double-A Birmingham club in the Southern League, Doyle threw 100 innings over 15 starts. He walked only 22 and struck out 73. His command and control will advance his career. He is the type of pitcher who can be trusted to take his starts at least three times through the lineup.

Doyle throws a low-90s fastball, but his bread and butter appears to be a full repertoire including a very solid slider, a low-80s curve and an effective changeup.

Doyle projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter who can work following a higher-velocity power pitcher. He has the type of delivery and mechanics that could cause the opposition frustration working quickly and changing speeds consistently.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111107&content_id=25927298&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

by larry on Nov 7, 2011 7:47 PM CST reply actions  

not that you don't know

but that overstates his quality by a good margin.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 7, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This sounds debunkable:
"Doyle projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter who can work following a higher-velocity power pitcher."

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by Jim Margalus on Nov 8, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

some hot prospects coming our way baby!

The White Sox have agreed to terms with free agent left-handed pitchers Donnie Veal and Jose Quintana.

Veal, 27, combined to go 0-2 with a 4.22 ERA (15 ER/32.0 IP) and 31 strikeouts in 19 appearances (five starts) between Class A Bradenton, Class AA Altoona, Class AAA Indianapolis and Rookie Gulf Coast League Pirates in 2011. He did not pitch until May 22 while recovering from Tommy John surgery performed on June 4, 2010.

Quintana, 22, spent the entire 2011 season with Class A Tampa in the Yankees farm system, going 10-2 with a 2.91 ERA (33 ER/102.0 IP), one save and 88 strikeouts in 30 appearances (14 starts). He limited opponents to a .236 (86-364) average and was 6-1 with a 2.83 ERA (20 ER/63.2 IP) as a starter.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

quintana... what's the catch?

i found a yankee forum thread on him, and that’s about it, but i don’t see an obvious reason to let this guy walk.

by evenyoudorn on Nov 10, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Mesa 2, Surprise 3

Saladino 1-4
Short 0-4

Doyle 1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 4 K
Petricka 1 IP, 0 H, 1 BB, 3 K

http://www.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2011_11_16_msswin_surwin_1

this was the last game white sox pitchers will appear in.

by larry on Nov 16, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

gotta love 2 innings with 7 strikeouts.

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by BoeJouma on Nov 16, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

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