White Sox free agents finalized today
by Jim Margalus on Oct 31, 2011 6:01 AM CDT
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PrintThe Hot Stove season is already upon us, and four White Sox players dragged us into it by filing for free agency:
- Mark Buehrle
- Ramon Castro
- Juan Pierre
- Omar Vizquel
You'll likely see Jason Frasor's name added to this list at some point today. Players and teams have to exercise or decline their options by the end of the day, and it seems highly unlikely that the White Sox want Frasor back for $3.75 million, as everything about his stay screamed "TEMPORARY!"
Buehrle's the only one who might come back, and the White Sox will be able to negotiate with him exclusively through Wednesday. However, all indications suggest that Buehrle will be allowed to test the market, which means that we could have one rough month of rumor-monitoring ahead.
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Scott Merkin gives us the lay of the land, but I don't like the looks of this paragraph:
With Pierre apparently not in the plans for a return, the leadoff spot could be handled by De Aza, who was very impressive with his .329 average, 12 stolen bases and stellar defense over 54 games last season. The White Sox might decide to go without a traditional leadoff type, but they are more likely to fill this void through a trade.
De Aza is fast, doesn't strike out much, doesn't walk much, and doesn't his for much power. He's a "traditional leadoff type," as far as the Sox see it.
Jim Thome said that he doesn't want to retire, but he can't play baseball in the backyard by himself. Or can he? The Dugout investigates.
James suggests using the offseason to follow other interests. That's dumb.
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I developed other interests ...
I programmed all of my electronic gizmos to receive push notifications on any White Sox activities, rumors, or innuendo.
by ParisSox on Oct 31, 2011 6:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for the links
So all we may end up having for Dan Hudson is Z. Stewart plus the short-lived service of E. Jackson….. Pitiful Mr. KW… Frasor can go for all I care. He didn’t impress me.
Betting in De Aza for a full-season as lead off man will be interesting considering the amount of at-bats they accumulate. They are suppose to be on-base and run a plenty. A lot of activity. Isn’t De Aza injured prone? Wonder if he will be able to last 600 at-bats.
James does not follow Winter leagues like some of us do. As usual, I will be following Tigres de Aragua in Venezuela. We have once again Lasting Miledge patrolling the outfield and hitting 5th. He is hitting pretty good despite the high Ks (12 in 54 At-bats)
I'm used th the MB rumors.
He’s been gone to STL as often as I have been in divorce court. Fer Chrissakes.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Frasor
I still think he is worth 3.75 I know the whitesox are tight on money but it usually isnt that hard to move relievers if they have success. Frasor’s days with the sox werent good but he has a pretty good track record the 2.5 years before that…
the guy on mlb trade rumors says he thinks the sox will exercise the option.
i tend to think not. if they are looking to save money 3+ million dollars on a reliever when you have addison reed ready to step in doesn’t seem like good business to me.
we shall see!
I love the offseason!
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
too much money for a 6th/7th inning guy.
and too much money for what would be the third choice righty, at best.
3.75 mil
Its not a cheap deal but this guys has had some pretty solid ERAs the last 3 years, Affeldt just got 5 mil and Lopez got 8.5 for two years…
Maybe im just hung up on the fact we have now turned Hudson and Holmberg into basically nothing (zach stewart)
Not that it makes the Hudson trade much more palatable
But it seems like people tend to just ignore the salary relief / Mark Teahen parts of the second trade. Getting Stewart and Frasor was secondary.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
"Not that it makes the Hudson trade much more palatable"
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
your post is kind of nonsense. just like the trades were.
white sox traded a low salary to get high salary so they could trade high salary to get low salary.
not sure what else I can say to emphasize that I agree that the series of moves was bad
did you see the part where I said the salary dump doesn’t make the Hudson trade any more palatable
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
*much /self-pedantry
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
well
not to many people were more thrilled then me about the sox shipping teahen off so i havent forgotten about that aspect of it, but its still a small victory the way the correlating moves have panned out
fungible.
bullpen was good without him as well.
by obnoxious american on Oct 31, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
That is quite the picture of Buehrle to go along with FA talks.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 31, 2011 8:50 AM CDT reply actions
Is he shy, too?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
what a great career. good for tony. go out on top of the world!
by the way, you can meet tony at the November rosemont card show. i may have him go and sign my 1983 white sox program along with britt burns
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
be careful.
you don’t want to catch shingles. though your kid will probably enjoy the chickenpox.
by larry on Oct 31, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, first you have to roust Tony from his drunken slumber.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
"Catch."
Not “spread”?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
WSJ slobbers just like you:
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/10/31/la-russas-lasting-effect-on-baseball/
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
De Aza
Will he join the proud tradition of Sox leadoff hitters who can’t lay down a bunt to dave his life?
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
*save his life
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
I thought you meant his bunt would somehow involve an improbable scenario in which Kevin Kline is brought in to fill in for De Aza.
Imagine my confusion.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
sox coaching staff made official
manto- hitting coach
mcewing- 3rd base
parent- bench coach
I didn’t want frank to get the hitting coach job because i might have to slap a bitch if people started getting nutsy on him like they did i walker… but seriously? the guy actually wanted the job and you skip over him for jeff manto? doesn’t sound like a good decision to me.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
its frank fucking thomas. unnanounce him.
and tell him to go blow himself.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Get a room, you two.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
We do know how big Manto is on adjustments though.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/7/28/1591400/sss-meets-white-sox-minor-league
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
thanks for reposting that
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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 31, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not Greg Walker
That’s all I care about right now.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
His status as a Sox playing legend doesn't entitle him to preferential treatment over other
candidates for the job though. Kenny clearly doesn’t want people he thinks he’s going to butt heads with, and he never exactly recanted the ’he’s an idiot’ quote about Frank. Not a surprise to me Frank didn’t get the job.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
his wiki says he forsaw the coming of Bautista
so maybe he knows what hes doing
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Oct 31, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
no laker?
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Oct 31, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
whitesox Chicago White Sox News:
#WhiteSox have named Jeff Manto as the club’s hitting coach, Joe McEwing as third base coach and Mark Parent as bench coach
"The game's out there and it's play or get played..."
by Air Raid Siren Stan on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
larussa retired...
be nice to see him as some sort of advisor to uncle jer
No thanks. We have enough people in this organization who mistrust advanced metrics already.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Pedro Infante and Jorge Negrete
if anyone’s wondering.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Oct 31, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sodfather to design fields for new "Field of Dreams" baseball complex-
http://www.suntimes.com/8506610-417/chicago-area-couple-buy-field-of-dreams-site.html
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
Doesn't a ballfield multiplex kind of depart from the intended charm?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, from the article, sounds like they are gonna keep the set the way it is,
and build on the other land. If that’s the case, I think its a good idea. Would be really cool to go play there.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 31, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched FOD on saturday night
It had been a while. “ease his pain”
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Fine I'll be the first to ask
With Grady Sizemore being released today, isn’t he the perfect ‘buy low’ free agent for the White Sox? Let Herm’s magic mittens at him and perhaps the Sox have their new center fielder and lead-off hitter they desperately crave.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
why go after a free agent when they already have a suitably cheap option in de Aza
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Because the upside of a healthy Sizemore >>>>> de Aza
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 31, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course, he may never be healthy again
but it may not be a bad gamble to give Herm a shot especially if he comes cheap.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Oct 31, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
And the chicks dig him.
"Yeah, and you’ll be batting ninth." – PK’s response to AJ’s text inquiry regarding the player/manager rumor. "No, I’ll be demanding a trade." - AJ’s witty retort
Certain "diverse" groups, also,
I gather.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hindus love him, yes.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't hate the idea, just doesn't strike me as an area of great need considering the outfielders they already have.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Yeah - 4th outfielders.
You think DeAza is going to hold up as a starter? Last year was a bit different for him, in that he didn’t get injured.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have any special insight but he seems like a good gamble based on how useful he was in 2011.
I would certainly bet on him staying healthier than Sizemore in 2012. Not that it’s an either/or between those two.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Last sentence is well stated.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
de aza has played 251 games the past two seasons.
sizemore hasn’t played anywhere near that in the past three seasons. and it’s 112 for the past two seasons. not to mention that he’s had four operations in the past two seasons, including one earlier this month.
This is the first year DeAza hasn't missed a lot of time.
>500 PA’s once, in 2005. Outlier or trend? Would he be a physical comp with Jerry Owens? Or not?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
He would.
I am asking a question re: a comp. I believe we are on the same side re: Sizemore being cheap insurance and worth a flier.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
i would have rather taken the flier on sizemore
than pick up frasors option. probably would have only cost a couple million more.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i would almost question that he'd get a major league deal
obviously there would be an automatic pay bump in such a contract if he did get added to the 25 man. but i think he’s probably a corner outfielder at this point. his recent offensive output certainly doesn’t work that well in a corner. two surgeries in four months? while obviously an even riskier player than sizemore, i think eric chavez’ contract last season is about what sizemore’s will look like. he probably does have a good chance of getting a guaranteed base from some teams.
and we have the first trade...
derek lowe is an indian.
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/131047121414660097
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Steak 'n Cheese hot pocket.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 31, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...Pop...?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Cameron says MB is the 13th best available FA this offseason:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-50-free-agents/
FDC.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
(Psht). Stop hatin' on Kuroda. You know he's all that and a bag of chips.
I can’t wait for someone to vastly overpay CJ Wilson though.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Cameron is sure our friend.
On t he payroll, I bet. FFS. Don’t shoot the messenger.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So after the Sox sign...
“Decent Part-Time” players Garcia, Thome, Jones and Colon, do they then make a move for Punto?
WAR over 4!
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Frasor's Option Picked Up
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Sox picked up $3.75 million option on reliever Jason Frasor.
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The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I don't like this logic unless they are trading him
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
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