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Reading Room: Williams hints that hands are tied

In his first postmortem of the year, Kenny Williams offered no real surprise when he said the White Sox would push their youth to the forefront while seeing what 2011's underachievers have left:

"The combination of good young talent that we need to see play more and veterans that we need to see how they will bounce back, leaves us in a holding pattern until the two blend and reveal to us who we are," Williams wrote Monday in an email. "Only then can we plot an aggressive course for either more youth or additional veteran help."

This means some combination of the following:

The overall philosophy isn't exciting -- it's as much of a hoping pattern as it is a holding pattern -- but it is prudent.

There's not enough salary relief with this season's expiring commitments alone, but when combining it with next year's lame ducks, the payroll problems ease up a considerable amount and allow for a more real reshaping of the roster. After all, most of Jake Peavy is off the books (a $4 million buyout remains), which is a big relief. A.J. Pierzynski's backloaded contract is over, and Paul Konerko's contract is cut in half. You still have Zombie Adam Dunn and Zombie Alex Rios walking the earth, but then again, if Dunn has another season like this one, a buyout could be in order. He's simply useless in his current state, and he knows it.

About those last two points:

*Did you realize that Reed pitched only once over the last 12 games of the season? That's what you get when your manager already knows that he's working for another team in 2012, tampertampertamper.

*Whereas it's hard to imagine Buehrle in another uniform in 2012. I still think it's going to get done. After Buehrle, Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't really have any of "his guys" left.

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Mark Gonzales offers his offseason preview, saying that Williams will have to "rely on his scouts and numbers crunchers more than ever." That's a little scary, since neither have been strengths in recent years.

Cheryl doesn't have too much faith in Williams to dig himself out of this hole. She would rather see Rick Hahn take the wheel, as many of us would.

This is a Phil Rogers article, so standard caveats apply. But this is the first time somebody in the mainstream media has implied that Hahn might be guilty by association in this mess. Also, he relays that Baseball America's Jim Callis thinks David Holmberg would be the No. 1 prospect in the White Sox's system had they not thrown him into the Daniel Hudson deal for no good reason, which is neat.

Manager expert Chris Jaffe looks at the twin releases of Ozzie Guillen and Terry Francona, noting the rarity of two champion managers becoming available in the same offseason (although Guillen probably wasn't available, tampertampertamper).

One additional benefit of Guillen's departure? No more stupid Carlos Zambrano rumors!

J.J. gives Dave Martinez his support, while James asks, "Who can drive this thing into the lake before it's too late!?"

And finally, Gordon Beckham, ladies and gentlemen:

I'm going to have to remember that for next season.

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the irrational fan in me

Just wants to tell kenny “get buehrle in a sox uniform again next season. I don’t give a shit what you have to do”

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Oct 4, 2011 6:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ditto.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Oct 4, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wonder if,
“rely on his scouts and numbers crunchers more than ever.”

is somewhat code for: “we don’t have to hear any shit from ozzie about this sort of thing anymore.”

by obnoxious american on Oct 4, 2011 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

That's awesome.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 4, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

They both didn't survive the season.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 4, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This quote:

“Only then can we plot an aggressive course for either more youth (a rebuild) or additional veteran help (another “all-in”)."

Knowing KW and Jerry as well as I think I do, I believe they will add veteran help if the team is contending and looks like a contender by the AS break. If they’re not contending then they will wait until the end of the season to rebuild and shed more payroll. No mid-season white flag. His hidden, small rebuild in 2007 was a horror to watch for that year but things turned around well in 2008 as Danks and Floyd matured, Alexei, Quentin, and Swisher came in, etc.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 4, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

How will they add veteran help mid-season?

Once again our minor leagues are decimated and if Floyd and/or Danks and Q get traded I would imagine it would be this offseason.

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Presumably the same guys he gets in return for the guys he deals in the off season

Unless someone in the organization has a massive breakthrough.

Next year really does have the potential to look a lot like 07 if things go even a little badly. The nightmare to me is the possibility the Sox become something like the Astros where next year is just one year in a descent to rock bottom.

by Titan52 on Oct 4, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure how I feel about that scenario

I’d be fine with withering away for a year or two if not for the three albatross contracts. I also wonder what PK’s services would command on the market.

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Free agents after next season who would fit in that vein

Carlos Lee, Abreau, Huff, Ichiro, Luke Scott, Chipper Jones…

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Luke Scott???

I wonder how he’d react to being on Obama’s “favorite” team???

Also, I don’t care that the wheels are falling off and he’s 80-bazillion years old… I would love for Ichiro to get hit 3000 here (in our uniform of course).

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Oct 4, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am amazed...

… KW has not already made three or four runs at him.

by LorenzoBandini on Oct 4, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

His hidden, small rebuild in 2007 was a horror to watch for that year

No problem with your overall point, but I don’t think the hidden rebuild really contributed much to 2007’s problems. Neither Garcia nor McCarthy would have done much to make 2007 any better.

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by big_fun on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh get out of town.

garcia would have went 15-2 with a 3.23 ERA.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh boy

the enthusiasm for this team is mounting already!

oh well, we have been over due for a rebuild type year for a long time, i am actually very curious to see how guys like morel, beckham, de aza, viciedo, sale, humber pan out… atleast with tappered expectations every sox game wont be as torchorous as most games in 2011 were

also, REALLY REALLY hoping ozzies first move in florida is to obtain that bum zambrano, as much as I love watching the cubs suffer from horrible jim hendry decesions I wouldnt mind seeing ozzie first acquisition (if a mangaer can make an acquisition) be a huge flop

by Knoxfire30 on Oct 4, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

"tappered expectations"

Copious quantities of beer?

“torchorous”

Tiki god worship?

Who is your mentor again?

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
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by Chiburb on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

"tampered"

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 4, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

regarding reed

maybe it was ozzie not caring. but reed threw 85 innings this year. that’s not an insubstantial workload for a reliever. some more major league work would have been nice but i think the white sox know what they have in reed. barring a spring training implosion or an injury, he was going to be in the 2012 bullpen.

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't get why people think larussa is a bad manager.

he might be an asshole… but the guy is a top manager in the game. lets see in the year 2030 if Maddon is still as good as he is now.

seriously… look at this shit ass cardinals team he has. they now have home field advantage in a 2/3 series vs. Philly. he won the world series with one of the worst playoff teams in history.

just because he’s old school doesn’t mean he isn’t good at what he does.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

they've played two games. and they're .500 in those games. not sure how that makes larussa a good manager.

i’d love to have a shit ass team that include albert pujols, matt holliday, lance berkman, yadier molina, jamie garcia, chris carpenter and edwin jackson.

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

underrecced

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by BoeJouma on Oct 4, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

holliday isn't playing, you had jackson

pujols had a down year, berkman was shit last season

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

But this season he was a beast again.

And he still got 516 PA out of Holliday. And even in a down year, Pujols was still a top 5 1B.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 4, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

as the one who preferred berkman to konerko last offseason, my bias should be known.

and, of course, is correct.

a down year for pujols still makes him one of the best players in baseball.

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

the team lost their ace and cy young contender for the entire season.

his bullpen is a fucking mess and he made it work. he dumped that piece of shit rasmus and got heat for it… he should have been applauded for knowing the guy is awful

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day you are arguing

for paying lots of money for a guy who is well known for being an asshole and is going to play even smaller ball than Ozzie. I don’t get it. They are .500 in the playoffs and are probably going to lose today.

by 815Sox on Oct 4, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the guy wins year in and year out. i don't care if he plays small ball. he gets the most out of his teams.

and i think that is the managers main job. and the fact that he is an asshole is a good thing. and do be so quick to dismiss them today.

and i know they aren’t going to sign him. but i have just had about enough of people (not only on SSS but all over the place) say that the guy is a bad manager. really? yah he’s fucking awful. thats why he’s been to the playoffs 14 times.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

LaRussa

Terrible guy but good manager, he wins, its that simple.

by Knoxfire30 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Torre went every year from 1996-2009.

Does it make him a good manager?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Oct 4, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Valuing performance over sentiment...

…from the guy who wanted Magglio Ordonez over Carlos Quentin.

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by Jim Margalus on Oct 4, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey who's in the playoffs? haha

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

let me also add...

in the seasons final month… one guy hit .419/.444.558 as his team dominated the competition to find itself in the post season….

and one was injured again.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And only one guy lost the bet.

Cherry-pick all you want. You backed the wrong horse, Tonto.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's also had the benefit of players who were/are science projects for his career.

That’s no doubt helped.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 4, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you see him sac bunt in the first inning at Fenway you'll understand.

WU got his ass handed to him by the Shit Rooster, of all people! Priceless.
Chiburb is an assclown. A real life loser and internet bore.

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by Chiburb on Oct 4, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, applaud him.

this ain’t the week to be sucking larussa off. there’s one big reason why they aren’t leading the series 2-0.

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about all of the maddon lovers???

isn’t he the guy that sent down upton yesterday and cut them off of a big inning?

or maybe that was davey martinez. he fits right in.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was the first runner to be caught stealing on adams this season.

a big inning against the guy with the .078 WHIP sure would have been something to bet on. in 73 innings this year, adams had one big inning against him. they scored two runs on him.

by larry on Oct 4, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your bias is not correct.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't talking to you.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

well you should be.

i’m apparently the only one who knows what in the hell he is talking about around here.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm back baby! I'm in a mood today apparently.

wife sends me text “faculty meeting”

i respond “you are shitty teachers with a shitty admin in a shitty district with shitty students and shitty parents… meeting over”

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm

33yrs .536 win% 5 pennants & 2 WS titles

by comparison: Terry Francona 12yrs .529 win% 2 pennants & 2 WS Titles

Not bad.

Not a fan of LaRussa BTW. I think he’d be a problem with youngsters. Plus, his assholliness trumps.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Oct 4, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgot to add

11 division tiltes in 33 year period as well

Francona had 1 div title.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Oct 4, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

NL Central to AL East seems like apples to apples

right?

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by kcgard2 on Oct 4, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually, no

only drawing comparisions between the 2 managers. My point is LaRussa’s success is just as good & I’d think you could draw a comaprison between AL Central & NL Central. I’d assume we’d all take Francona so that’s why the comparison is made.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Oct 5, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

YOU ARE A SON WHO DOES NOT LOVE HIS MOTHER!

Paulie trumps numbers.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck that

anyone’s numbers would look great if you get to play the cubs, pirates, and astros 18 times a year each

by moroots on Oct 4, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Oct 4, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

the problem with that?

other than the last couple of seasons… the cubs and astros have been pretty good this decade.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

regardless there is always going to be shitty teams in any division.

the royals have been pirate bad for years now. the indians most of the time have been not good. and before them the tigers out pirated the pirates.

the entire nl west has been pretty bad. the al west isn’t much to write home about. the nl east has a few clunkers… and the al east has the orioles.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to mention the AL Central

isn’t that unlike the NL Central as far as collective team win percentages.

IDK about anyone else, but if Ozzie had brought about a division title about every 3rd year (see LaRussa stats above), I’d be most happy with that!

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Oct 4, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just saying but

If Larussa is hired as manager for the Chicago White Sox, I will cease to be on SSS, at the Cell and I won’t watch games anymore. I know you have a huge raging boner over LaRussa’s A’s teams and you have a point that his teams win (perhaps despite him) but FUCK THAT GUY. He is a metaphor for everything I hate about baseball and the human race.

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

another bonus! ;)

if he won a few times it might be despite him. winning for nearly half of the seasons you’ve been in the league… and you’ve been in the league longer than i have been alive… is pretty impressive.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

what has he done that pissed you off so bad?

i mean… i know he refuses to change his thinking… but why should he. he’s been successful wherever he has gone. he does some nice work for animals. he’s a prick to some of his players but there are a lot of managers that are that.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assume you mean "endearing qualities".

Proofread your ranting next time.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Oct 4, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

well there we go... i love tony danza too.

the drunk thing doesn’t bother me… i would be willing to bet most everyone on this site has made that same mistake at least once. the pitching staff? he’s smart for letting duncan do his thing. those a’s teams were unbelievable. every manager in the 90s had steroid guys. i wish i could kick harry carey’s ass too. i like stubborn assholes. i liked the white spikes.

And god dammit it was britt burns who gave up the homer to tito landrum. you’re whole argument is null and void.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

your not you're. whatever.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The AL as a whole is better

The AL Central is usually tougher than the NL

by 815Sox on Oct 4, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank God.

I want his hands tied.

I’d rather have a 95-loss season that attempted to get Beckham, Sale, Flowers, Viciedo, Morel, and Reed established than see Kenny Williams make another expensive, aging, long-term mistake to add to his collection. While it’s not ideal with the barren farm system, I don’t see an ideal way forward with the current roster.

Maybe by this time next year, Jerry will accept one of Kenny’s dozens of offers to quit and the next GM can go about fixing the player development pipeline.

by asinwreck on Oct 4, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

He seems to do his best work when forced to get creative

As was mentioned moves like Alexei, Quentin, Danks, Floyd, were made because they couldn’t just throw money around. Even his big ticket pitching pickups were of the one year variety (Colon, Wells, Freddy before his extension)so they couldn’t decimate the payroll for years to come. If it wasn’t for the freedom to make the Peavy/Rios/Dunn moves the team is in much better shape as Buehrle/Danks could be extended, etc.

Was reading somewhere else and agree that in some ways the guys with low payrolls have it easier. Instead of having to consider all the big contracts out there, they never have to consider the Lackeys, Crawfords, Dunns, etc. Even when Tampa threw out the rare multiyear deal, it was for Pat Burrell. Most of these guys need to be saved from themselves.

by MelidoPerez on Oct 4, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta rec the MST 3000 clip.

Thanks, Jimmer.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

checking in with cot's baseball contracts . . .

losing Pierre, Pena, and Frasor, and trading Quentin and Floyd

PLUS

bring back Buerhle at $14, Danks at $12 would result in about a $110 million salary for Sox.

Deferred money for these two, or a little bit of a hometown discount, plus trading Thornton or AJ could bring that down closer to $100 million, maybe even making space for a pick-up like Kubel.

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would they agree to defer money for a team that's no longer all-in?

It’s unlikely anyone will take on Thornton’s contract right now and I’m still skeptical that A.J. would accept a trade elsewhere, although I suppose Ozzie leaving makes it more plausible.

Not sure what you have in mind with Kubel…

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Oct 4, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not so sure about that

I got the opposite impression. Ozzie, for whatever reason, was really the first guy to be able to handle AJ. I think he taught AJ how to behave a little bit. Ozzie was a loudmouth and not loved by everyone himself.

by 815Sox on Oct 4, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

awesome

Still not as good as me wanting to be a fly in the room when KW calls Francoeur to discuss the manager job but close.

by 815Sox on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note,

I went to a wedding in Disney this past weekend and AJ was on my flight to Orlando on Thursday night. I thought it was odd because I was flying Southwest…figured he’d fly a carrier with first class seating. He did have a chauffeur pick him up though.

by ceverettsdinosaurs on Oct 5, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you talk to him?

My parents were on a plane with Da Coach and he was sitting with the Plebs. My mom is not afraid to talk to anybody/anything so she got his autograph.

by 815Sox on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take him for the right price.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

honestly didn’t know if I was whooshing or something in missing why the Sox would want him

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Oct 4, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

with all the money committed

they can’t just tear it down. Kenny will put together as competitive team as possible, within whatever payroll limits are placed on him. Maybe it has to be somebody cheaper than Kubel, but outfield seems like a spot you can add a bat. I’m not ready to cede 600 PA apiece to Viciedo, Rios, De Aza, and Dunn. Where would Kubel have played if they picked him up this July? Rasmus?

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same place he's played his whole career--LF/RF/DH

But OP says “like Kubel” . . .i.e., left-hand bat with some power. I just think you need another legit bat so that your antidote to bad play and injury is not Jordan Danks or some other non-prospect.

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have some healthy skepticism about both

enough that I wouldn’t want to go in the season expecting Dunn to revert to pre-2011 form, expecting that Rios will revert to 2010 or 2007 form, that De Aza’s 171 plate appearances this year can be projected onto 600 plate appearances next year. And Viciedo looked like a great prospect until he didn’t.

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

thumb injury had a lot to do with viciedo being underwhelming methinks.

as jim said, they are kinda stuck being prudent next year. plus, if any money is to be spent, i’d far rather it was on buehrle/danks.

by craigws on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point on Viciedo

I agree on Buerhle/Danks. But then you’re all in again, right?

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course it makes sense, it makes sense to blow the entire thing up,

but then you’d feel awful for paulie. it is impossible to make a clear-headed decision because of the sentiment i have for paulie and buehrle.

by craigws on Oct 4, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair point, 'awful' was probably hyperbole.

i’d feel pretty gosh darn bad for him though.

by craigws on Oct 5, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he could take that bad feeling, put it in a little box

with a nice little ribbon on it, and put it on a corner shelf in his 16k sq. ft. house.

by South Side Expat on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think going into a several year rebuild of the team

Would really hurt the Sox, more so than the average team. Hopefullthe you know whos has a big bounceback years.

by 815Sox on Oct 5, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

"like Kubel" . . .i.e., left-hand bat with some power

Who else did you have in mind? Because he only hit one more home run than Dunn this year.

I don’t see the point of getting another bad-defense veteran for starter money. It’s just throwing good money after bad.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Oct 4, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

.159/.292/.277 vs. .272/.332/.434

That’s a mammoth shot.

No. I don’t have anybody else in mind. It’s above my pay grade. That’s the point of posting messages here, isn’t it? Kenny Williams is secretly reading, he’ll follow my suggestions, and then I’ll get a surprise invite to ride on the float in the WS parade next October.

by son_of_sophist on Oct 4, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If .272/.332/.434 is considered a worthwhile line might as well grab some AAAA guys and see who can make the cut

Kubel averages like 1 WAR per season because of his bad defense. Not really a difference-maker. If Rios and Dunn are that bad again this team probably isn’t going anywhere anyway.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Oct 4, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

you may not be ready for that, but that is likely to happen.

and if you do want that bat in the outfield, you might as well just keep Q!

by craigws on Oct 4, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

lillibridge

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 0 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks at 12 million?

huh?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Oct 4, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

BRING 56 BACK!

OR I WILL DO SOMETHING

HIRE GREG WALKER!

by billyok on Oct 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

WERE YOU MUGGED BEFORE YOU FINISHED TYPING?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 4, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

"buggered"

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Oct 4, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed. i dont want him in another uniform, and i dont think he wants to either

lets hope he offers to take a low contract and stays with the team

Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian

by oneloyaldawg on Oct 4, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

my mentee!

i’ve taught her to keep her top on.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i know i havent been here much this past season

im already on job two post graduation in may. being laid off sucks. and finding a new job is time consuming

and no, kenwo, you havent taught me anything. plus, can we please drop the whole picture thing. yall were the ones who asked for it, its not like i was unprompted

Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian

by oneloyaldawg on Oct 7, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would take odds either Danks or Floyd are traded this offseason

That would free up a little money if they wanted to resign Buehrle. Probably have to make a couple other moves as well to make the money work, but I could see him back.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 4, 2011 8:23 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think that Addison will be a really big part of our success next year.

Hell, if you keeps up this strikeout pace he might be one of the best relievers in the game. I also met the guy the day he got called up. He is a nice guy.

by dasox313 on Oct 4, 2011 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Jason Frasor projects as a Type B.

Decline option, offer arbitration?

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Oct 4, 2011 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes and no.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Oct 4, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

since this seems to be coming up often.

the white sox don’t want him. if they did want him, they would not decline the option because it is essentially what he would get in arbitration. since they do not want him, they would not offer him arbitration, which he would almost assuredly accept, and then run the risk of not only potentially paying him more than his option but also the more important risk of having him on the roster.

by larry on Oct 5, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

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