Buehrle earned his contract, but Peavy hasn't come close
This is a signing that simply cannot be justified. Buehrle’s reputation for handling large workloads is essentially worthless, and his expected decline is sharp.
My gut instinct in this case was wrong, but I’m still glad that I took the time to investigate. Both mainstream analysts and sabermetrically-inclined commentators attempted to apply universal truths to a very specific situation which deserved individual treatment. Yes, Buehrle signed a below-market deal, both in terms of dollars and years. And yes, pitchers get injured at incredibly high rates as they age. For us to pretend that we know which of these facts is more important would just be foolhardy.
This time, however, the stock sabermetric principle won out.
Mark Buehrle has a way of taking the air out of "stock sabermetric principles." For FIP, he used to be Public Enemy No. 1 before Matt Cain seized the title. Still, after completing his four-year, $56 million contract, it looks like he found another way to get in one more dig.
I didn't intend to look for Buehrle projections from 2007 -- I found this one on an unrelated search -- because baseball has a way of making everybody look foolish at one point or another. But I feel compelled to highlight it because it's a great example of what Colin talked about on Tuesday.
Gassko didn't make that conclusion on a whim. He explained his process, and he consulted MGL of The Book Blog, who also detailed his own reasons for determining that the signing was "at best a tad poor, and at worst, terrible."
They had their case -- chiefly, pitchers with Buehrle's peripherals and workload tend to break down as they cross over to the wrong side of 30. It's grounded in reality, but Gassko was perhaps guiltiest for deciding to phrase his conclusion with absolute phrases when most of his evidence suggested mild skepticism.
The problem (heh) is, Buehrle busted the comparable projections by not really aging. The percentages Gassko applied to Buehrle's numbers over the four years of the contract never factored in:
| Projected | | | Actual | ||||||
| Year | IP | ERA | WAR | | | IP | ERA | fWAR | rWAR |
| 2008 | 177 | 3.96 | 2.99 | | | 219 | 3.79 | 4.6 | 4.4 |
| 2009 | 159 | 3.71 | 3.16 | | | 213 | 3.84 | 3.4 | 4.9 |
| 2010 | 140 | 3.78 | 2.66 | | | 210 | 4.28 | 3.7 | 3.5 |
| 2011 | 109 | 4.08 | 1.76 | | | 205 | 3.59 | 3.4 | 3.7 |
Buehrle exceeded the inning projections by a whopping 44 percent, which allowed him to throw six additional wins on the pile. By FanGraphs' simple WAR-to-dollars conversion, Buehrle was worth $66 million over the course of the last four years.
Not everybody of sabermetric orientation was that pessimistic about Buehrle's chances, though. Baseball Think Factory's Dan Szymborski and Chris Dial gave it two thumbs up.
What's there not to like about this? Buehrle's not a true 3.03 ERA pitcher, but the Pale Hose don't need him to be and they're not paying him like they expect him to pay. Given the market, $14 million a year for a healthy pitcher who's a good bet to put up an ERA+ of 120 every year is an excellent deal. No snark needed in a world in which Barry Zito, an inferior pitcher, gets twice the dough for twice the time.
Pitchers like Mark Buehrle do not come along very often. He’s already demonstrated durability beyond the arm damage that "should have" happened. The odds that Buehrle will be very good over the next four seasons are very, very good. He’s easily going to be very good for four more seasons, and very likely five. Heck, he’s likely to be good for another ten. He’s the next generation’s best bet to win 300 games, and the key to being a successful GM is identifying the true stars that will decline atypically, and signing them relatively cheaply and enjoying the ride. Okay, the purer economics may not make it a great deal, but it’s going to get them a discount after four years if Buehrle continues on like his peers.
They were a lot closer, mostly because they didn't overthink it. They put a lot of thought into it, but they basically said, "He's been very good and extremely durable. He should continue to be good and durable." Buehrle's career has generated so few truly comparable pitchers that maybe we should expect him to most resemble himself.
This is where Don Cooper and Herm Schneider factor in, with help from Ozzie Guillen. I said this before on Sox Machine, but the White Sox staff is great at working on cars while they're running. Buehrle basically contends with rumors about an aching shoulder every spring -- what else is there to talk about? -- but they disappear when the season starts. Likewise, they were great about getting Jon Garland to exceed expectations on an annual basis even with a dead arm that surfaced around June, and they also pushed and pulled Freddy Garcia perfectly before and after his arm surgery. When they know a pitcher, they know a pitcher. They knew Buehrle well enough to give him a big four-year contract, and they got their money back.

Their history of excellent judgment makes their relationship with Jake Peavy all the more curious. It became clear that Peavy couldn't resist pushing himself too hard well before he admitted he had a problem. Still, the Sox have never found a way to establish a system of checks and balances with The Glass Bulldog, mainly because they give him veto power for everything. Hell, they came up with a six-man rotation with the sole purpose of easing Peavy back into a regular starting job, and they caved in after just one challenge.
Maybe it's inevitable that Peavy will get injured, but had the Sox stuck to their guns instead of letting Peavy overrule them a half-dozen times, at least they would know they were powerless against the aging process.
It's really bizarre. Jerry Reinsdorf hated giving pitchers contracts longer than three years, and really, the Sox did a nice job of working around that constraint. So it was a huge moment when the Sox not only gave Buehrle a fourth year, but threw in a little bit of no-trade protection. It was a commitment that reflected their special bond.
Or at least it was supposed to be special. But then the Sox gave four years to Scott Linebrink when all other bidders stopped at three. With Peavy, Williams went out of his way to trade for a four-year deal that cost more than Buehrle's, and watched as his on-field staff made little effort to actually protect the investment.
We don't know if Buehrle will be around 2011, and it would suck if unrelated recklessness made him a budgetary impossibility. We do know the Sox are stuck with Peavy for one more year, and hopefully the Sox will decide to apply their Mark Smarts to Peavy whether or not Buehrle is back.
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great digging and write-up jim.
when buerhle eventually retires, with the white sox or not, the sox have to retire his number.
and he’s more than earned that contract, and he was probably worth more than $66million if you average out the fWAR and rWAR..
also, looking at the fangraphs leader boards for the years 2001-2011:
he’s #1 in innings and #3 in wins – i’m not surprised, but still impressed
he’s #6 in fWAR – that ranking might be a little higher if we use rWAR
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 5, 2011 7:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Love 'the Glass Bulldog' name.
Well done.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2011 7:28 AM CDT reply actions
I'm glad to see it catching on
The first time I tossed it out back in August or whenever I got a bunch of ahem, marital aid jokes back.
Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.
by ChiSoxRox on Oct 5, 2011 8:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not exactly wrong.
But I think it holds up. Good work.
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"colin".
Also, what is this “Sox Machine” of what you speak? It also resides on a T-shirt I was wearing this morning.
Well done. Buehrle is my favorite Sox player over the last 35 years. Pay the man. He’s earned it. And he should suffer along with us with Peavy on his team at least one more year, since he probably helped recruit him.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
might not be able to afford it
you can’t get sentimental, that’s why Alan Greenspan cried when Ayn Rand snuffed it.
Depending on how much stock one puts in fWAR...
Peavy — although still a decent amount away from “earning” his contract — still put up a 3 WAR season. That surprised me. Even more surprising was that the Sox were second to the Phillies in total pitching fWAR, trailing by just one win-above-replacement. Perhaps the 2012 incarnation of this team isn’t that far away from contention, provided they can somehow squeeze Buehrle back in.
i think you have to factor in
that peavy’s mouth put up -2.3 fWAR. (possibly slightly more if you use rWAR)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
hah, rec'd
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 5, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
If they can get him fit
could be a big surprise in the nest next year, they should still get shut of him first chance they get.
after the 4th and 5th attempts at understanding the last part of words you jumbled together, i gave up
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Translation:
If peavy is healthy, he could start off strong and being a desireable commodity. At that point, they should trade him for whatever they can get.
He's owed $21 million... not a very tradeable commodity
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I just replied to the last comment in the chain out of laziness
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Hence the "VERY AVERAGE" moniker.
Your self-reflection capabilities should serve you well, sir.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
never let it be said that I advertised as anything but
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
1 of my problems with fWAR
but yeah I’m inclined to believe if handled properly the Sox get 1 really good season from Peavy next year.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Peavy's season really was remarkable
Managing to have a near 4 K/BB with an ERA near 5 is pretty amazing. Hopefully some of the randomness swings the other way next year. Pretty sure he had the biggest gap between FIP and ERA in baseball.
Over Danks?
No thanks.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
yes
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
It seems the only reason people want the White Sox to sign Buehrle is emotion and sentimentality
that kind of makes me hope, “He Gone”. I got my closure seeing him pitch his last game of the season. He will be missed of course but unfortunately he is too expensive.
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 3 lost
Liar.
He was our best pitcher. Emotion plays a part, sure, but he’s pretty fucking good.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
I understand that.
Close to market value sounds not as good as below market value, but I like the VaR for Buehrle at fair market value compared to the loser contracts for some of our position players.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
Perhaps.
I think he’s a good risk to outperform his contract since he has a history of such.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
Thats fine but what will his contract be?
We are strapped for cash and have a pretty good rotation as is, even with Floyd or Danks traded and Buehrle gone. The only reason anyone has given, taking payroll into account, for keeping Buehrle is their emotional attachment to him.
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 3 lost
yup.
the issue is that is appears the white sox cannot have all the toys they want. so what’s the tradeoff they should make. MB for 3 years/45 million (or something)? danks for 1 year/$10.5 million? danks for 4 years/$55 million (or something)? floyd for 2 years/$16.5 million? game out the scenarios, assign values and pick a winner.
All things equal,
Danks is probably the better value.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
just to note
last four seasons (MB’s last contract):
MB: 16.5 bWAR, 15.2 fWAR
danks: 18.1 bWAR, 15.6 fWAR
what are the differences in bwar and fwar?
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One is a type of pig and the other is the number between three and five
by joewho112 on Oct 5, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
You are a magnificent bastard.
Is this Porky Pig?
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
and danks is a good bet to improve.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Are you the type of man
who knows a good bet when he sees one?
How’s that new phone?
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Oct 5, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know a bad bet when i see one.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
My reasoning is because I think Danks and Floyd can bring us talent in the trade market
If you trade those two and sign Buehrle then it’s less of a PR hit then if you just trade the two.
They destroyed public relations with the 2011 season
Honestly, how many people won’t buy tickets just because Buehrle wasn’t re-signed? It sucks but keeping Danks, letting Buehrle walk and trading Floyd is probably our best bet to maximize what we have to work with. The White Sox need to not put good money after bad, like it or not we have to operate in within the constraints of Rios, Dunn and Peavy until they are gone. Then there is Konerko who should experience some sort of decline over the course of his contract too.
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 3 lost
If you real goal is to compete next year
You can’t let go of 2 of them. Only 1.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
So then Humber goes to the bullpen or do they roll with a 6 man again?
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 3 lost
How so?
Peavy, Buerhle, Danks. Floyd, Humber and Sale.
Pick 5
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Trade for him midseason
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
what about him?
Emergency
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
when i type in all caps it means I am joking
BUT HE ALMOST THREW A NO HITTER!
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 0 won - 3 lost
I want Buehrle to retire as a White Sox
with no other teams in between. And maybe one last belly-flop on the infield tarp on Mark Buehrle Day.
by ruffster on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Creepy picture
kind of like the closing scene of a Lifetime stalker/rapist movie, where Buehrle thinks that the murderer/stalker fan has finally been arrested, not knowing that it was his pitching coach who’s been sending him the creepy letters and killing off his teammates, and now with his main fan, the only person protecting him, out of the way, Cooper looks knowingly into the camera, savoring the moment that everyone is out of the way, and now Buehrle is ALL HIS!!!
This leaves logical room for the sequel.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Oct 5, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Heh. Spot on.
The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser
So Buehrle will return is what you're saying.
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by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Jim.
Nothing beats a good “Buehrle is The Awesome” article. I never tire of them, really.
The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser
fWAR, bWAR, gWAR, what is it good for
what about buehrle’s value in real dollars? he’s got to be up there in terms of merch for the club, right? or is this information not publicly available / just inconsequential compared to the cost of his contract?
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
mostly inconsequential.
how many people only would buy MB jerseys etc., instead of just simply purchasing PK’s if MB wasn’t here? how many people won’t go to games because MB isn’t here? what’s that word? fungible.
now, what isn’t so fungible is the player who produces 3.5 wins on a consistent basis. and wins are predominantly what brings fans to the ballpark, sells merchandise, etc.
i think the answer to your questions
is one.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
to illustrate
i purposefully go to games when MB is starting. i purposefully avoid games floyd is starting. swap the two, and they’re going to lose revenue from me. maybe i go to more danks games. but not on weeknights.
What position is the moon in during your games?
Dewpoint?
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
i tend to watch buehrle on tv more because he's so quick, i feel like it was a pain to go to comiskey for 2 hrs of baseball.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
i'd rather watch two hours of excellence instead of 3.5 hours of horseshit.
but that’s me.
by larry on Oct 5, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
i think i watched approximately 353.8 hours of horseshit this season.
so disheartening.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
that is you.
i drink.
like a man.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Oct 5, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjEcrrf7r0
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
That was next.
But U2’s version is important to me. Was banging on a heavy bag in my garage in 1992 when wife #2 did a smoky burn-out of the driveway after an argument. My best buddy was walking his 2 kids (now 25 and 23) past the house as I was punching the bag and all he still remembers is hearing “One” wafting out of the garage while I was flailing away.
Good times. LOL.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
sounds like my friend Joe
when old Joe pulled up the driveway blasting the Guess Who’s ‘American Woman’ you knew he was once again single and you were about to get very much fucked up.
Poor guy is married now, doesn’t drink or touch the buds anymore at all.
I suppose that's one way to get over a break-up.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Pretty sure
gWar is good for loud, distorted guitars, lots of fake blood and a complicated space alien/horror backstory.
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Oct 5, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hell yeah!

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)
Fake? That's wuss rock.
GG Allin was the real deal.
"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)
two guys near me at this starbucks talking baseball (rather loudly and broishly)
and one says “if youre a baseball fan, you know who the fuck mife pelfrey is.” can someone drive to des moines and punch these two fuckers? i would do it, but i want to fulfill my love of seeing people fall /get hit /dominated.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
who the fuck is mike pelfrey?
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
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don't answer I looked it up
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
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Aaaaaaaaaand scene.
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by RWShow on Oct 5, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'll take Beuhrle over Danks or Floyd!!
Danks will get 5 years and $80 mil from someone after 2012 but not the Chisox. Sign Beuhrle now to a 2 or 3 year old deal and extend Floy’s deal. Neither Danks nor Peavy will be on the Sox after 2012. Wake up and smell the coffee!!
PS – Kenny should donate his entire paycheck for 2012 to help re-sign #56!!
Perhaps decaf.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
FDG
did this guy never hear of a rubber arm? they don’t play baseball in a computer, you know.
by obnoxious american on Oct 5, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
Sounds like the Red Sox like Sandy and D-Mart.
Something tells me they’ll take their pick, and we’ll be stuck with the leftovers.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
Its not leftovers if they don't choose the right guy
Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 3 lost
yep
and boston is usually smart with the money, i don’t think they’re going to offer significantly higher salary to a 1st year manager than what the white sox would offer. from martinez, alomar’s perspective, it’s about finding the right fit, chicago and boston have their +’s and -’s, job-related or not.
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 6, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
well... boston isn't as tolerant of other races as other cities. so thats a plus in our favor.
they would also be expected to win quicker and more often there. (thats not a negative… if they don’t want to win i don’t want them).
both cities are great. food, nightlife, historic, both great sports towns…
red sox get more “face time”, more money, more history
white sox have more loyalty. you’d basically have to shoot someone to get booted. they both played here and probably feel comfortable here. martinez wife is from here and his kid is going to northwestern.
its an interesting decision.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
this is leaning towards OT if you want to push the topic to RRRR, but i think boston and chicago are on par with each other when it comes to race-relations
but generally i agree…
actually, i’m moving back to boston for personal and professional reasons, but chicago is a MUCH better city to live in than boston, all things considered, hopefully dave martinez sees similarly :-)
also, if theo is leaving, there’s less certainty in how operations will be managed including philosophy/strategy of which players they would acquire…at least you know what to expect from KW
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