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Rumors of today, and a rumor of old

Some things to think about for your Saturday morning...

*Robin Ventura's bench coach might be managing a minor-league affiliate of the Philadelphia Phillies, but it's not Ryne Sandberg. According to CSNPhilly.com's Jim Salisbury:

The Chicago White Sox have asked for and been granted permission to speak with Phillies minor-league manager Mark Parent about a job on their major league coaching staff, according to a baseball source.

Parent, 50, has managed two seasons in the Phillies system. He guided Single A Lakewood to the South Atlantic League championship in 2010 and led Double A Reading to a 74-68 record and a playoff berth in 2011.

For what it's worth, when I think about Mark Parent, this card immediately comes to mind.

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*Salisbury's Chicago counterpart Brett Ballantini throws out some possibilities for the coaching staff:

So in spite of all the speculation (Frank Thomas, etc.), is Harold [Baines] ticketed for the next batting coach? If we are to believe the timeline, that things moved quickly and Robin may have been approached before Ozzie’s official departure, Ventura may well have signed on for a new Baines role.

So that leaves openings for base coaches. Would Joe McEwing be promoted into a Cora role, working with the defense and manning third base? Devon White promoted to first base/baserunning coach?

White as a first-base coach makes a lot of sense, if only because he learned how to steal bases more efficiently himself. He was successful on 81 percent of his steals (190 for 236) after age 29, compared to 75 percent (156 for 208) over his first seven seasons. No word on how well he collects shinguards and other protective armor.

*The Arizona Diamondbacks claimed Paul Konerko on waivers after the trade deadline passed, and Kenny Williams tested them. According to Daryl Van Schouwen:

The Arizona Diamondbacks, conveniently located where he lives, put in a waiver claim on Konerko after the trade deadline. Williams reportedly asked for young Diamondbacks first baseman Paul Goldschmidt, among others, in return, and the Diamondbacks declined. With that, Konerko was pulled back off waivers.

Were the Sox to deal Konerko for a package that did not include Goldschmidt, or perhaps to another team, Williams might want to call the Red Sox and propose sending them Floyd and Quentin for 24-year-old outfielder Josh Reddick and 24-year-old first baseman Lars Anderson. Or, perhaps Floyd for Reddick and two minor-league prospects. Floyd is 6-0 with a 3.47 ERA lifetime against the Red Sox, so they probably know who he is.

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please hire an experienced coach/manager as bench coach

Not a minor league mgr. We need someone who has been around a little at the pro level. I know Baines has, but he rarely opens his mouth.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

It appears this is the new direction based on Robin - though I agree with you

Perhaps by having no experience anywhere KW has found a way to think out of the box – nothing will be based on managing or coaching experience and it will all be unique

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on Oct 8, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

i see - repeatedly - "experienced" managers making dumbshit decisions.

i understand the allure of “experience”. but i’m not particularly understanding why people on here think it is so important for his bench coach, other than for aesthetics. the most difficult on-field task for a manager is pitching changes (which, by the way, is where i saw plenty of dumbshit decisions by experienced managers this week). ventura has don cooper. rather experienced fellow. what’s the rest that this experienced bench coach will need to be doing? positioning fielders? i can do that. helping with the lineup? i can do that. deciding when to steal or, christ, hit and run? i can do that. pitch outs? i can do that.

if the concern is that the media or the players are going to be talking or thinking that ventura doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing but having that experienced bench coach by his side makes every all right, then fine. but then let’s not pretend it’s anything other than that.

by larry on Oct 8, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

My first instinct was to hope for an experienced hand

I figured it’s about having someone to tell Ventura some idea he has is stupid and have a good reason for it. But I’m not sure that’s really about experience. Really that’s just about good preparation and feel for a game and the players.

The more I’ve thought about it, I come to your way of thinking of it. If experience were a big deal in a bench coach Tony Pena might be able stop Joe Girardi from over-managing.

Hell, an experienced bench coach could as easily undercut Ventura’s credibility as enhance it, raising questions of who’s really in charge.

There’s a number of qualities that matter ahead of experience. If Parent has those and is someone Ventura trusts, great.

by Titan52 on Oct 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt about it.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Oct 8, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

there is a precedent for a move of this sort


anyone know if Jerry is into numerology? Jackson and Ventura both hired at age 44, hmmm..

by gar ridge pride on Oct 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twain was obsessed with 44

if you haven’t yet read “No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger” you should. 44 was Satan’s name. http://www.twainquotes.com/Number44.html

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 6 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 8, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

no its more like to carry the southern states.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Oct 8, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think KW allows another Parent?

He just got divorced.

Off-Season Proposition Bet Tally - 1 won - 4 lost

by Rhubarb on Oct 8, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Al Davis is dead

So says ESPN.

In the Oakland Raiders time of need, clearly they need a new gambler to work the roster magic Al made legendary.

Kenny, it’s your time to live your dream. Time to go to Oakland.

by asinwreck on Oct 8, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

he'd be close to his kid playing for the 49ers

At get back at Beane

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 8, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

rip al. you were once great.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 8, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

the only thing I don't believe

Is that he was only 82

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Oct 8, 2011 1:36 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

so... since they tried to trade konerko

does this raise the possibility of an off season move?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 8, 2011 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think so.

The only reason he wasn’t pulled back immediately is probably because Arizona would’ve been a team Konerko would waive his 10-5 rights for. And even then the trade proposal was a fleece attempt. Goldschmidt is one of the game’s best 1B prospects, and at least two other players were requested in addition.

by 3E8 on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd have had mixed feelings if that had went through.

ultimately though, you would have had to applaud kenny.

by craigws on Oct 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

also... even though i probably have 100 of the card that jim linked

i still have no recollection of mark parent.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 8, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Check out his career. There isn't anything to remember.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Oct 8, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

same on both counts

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Oct 8, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever move.

Former catcher for a team with horseshit unis. He’s perfect as a bench coach. How many discussions have we had about how important or unimportant a manager is in the outcome of a game? Divide that number by 1000 and you’ll have the bench coach’s number.

Baseball has not changed much in 100 years. Statistical analysis has. If someone starts utilizing that information correctly and has the people skills to implement it (keep everyone happy and motivated) then I’m a happy fan.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Oct 9, 2011 6:19 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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