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If the White Sox are spending less, don't they have to spend less?

Marginal spending has been a bugaboo for the White Sox in recent years. It doesn't compare to being saddled with the $103 million owed to the remains of Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Jake Peavy, but that $103 million is why marginal spending is an issue.

It's like anything else. If your car breaks down and your roof starts leaking in the same week, you might have to cancel your cable service or stop dining out for a while in order to absorb those unexpected bummer costs.

The White Sox arrived at similar crossroads this past season. For instance, Kenny Williams wants his fifth starter to be third-starter quality, and that costs a lot of money. Omar Vizquel cost considerably less, but that was $1.7 million to a guy who was closer to a coach than a player. The Sox gave Will Ohman a two-year, $4 million contract to be their third lefty in the bullpen.

Most teams use league-minimum guys (or close to it) to fill these positions. The White Sox spent $11 million. That might be smart spending in some situations, but it doesn't work for a team with multiple massive money pits.

So when Kenny Williams says that he'll have a little less money to spend this season -- and those money pits are growing more cavernous -- it stands to reason that the Sox are forced to clip 'n' save at other positions. It seems like everybody is on the same page with the starting pitching. Chris Sale and Phil Humber might not comprise the back end of the rotation on Opening Day, but people are prepared for that reality. Mark Buehrle is everybody's All-American, but he's also a luxury on the ledger.

In two other areas, this whole belt-tightening movement doesn't seem to be setting in. And that could be a good or bad thing.

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Jason Frasor

Both Colin and I have written separate posts about why Jason Frasor is a ... curious use of $3.75 million, so I won't rehash those arguments. I just want to touch on the total money for the bullpen.

The White Sox started the 2011 season with a bullpen that cost roughly $11.4 million (I'm including Jeff Gray and his league-minimum friends, since the six-man bullpen only lasted a week).

At this point, the 2012 bullpen will cost somewhere around $17.7 million. The Sox are set to spend $6 million more on an area that didn't require $6 million worth of fixing. That's why we can make such a big deal over a small deal that looks fine in a vacuum. Whether the Sox are going to trade a reliever or keep everybody, it means something. We just don't know what yet.

Alejandro De Aza

Here's another confusing development in the coverage of the offseason.

Juan Pierre is also expected to depart via free agency. Alejandro De Aza is projected to take his spot in left field, but he isn’t a prototypical leadoff man which is what the White Sox would still need after Pierre’s departure.

Trading right fielder Carlos Quentin could free up some salary to pursue a free agent who can play left field and lead off. Williams has said, though, that he is only interested in trading for major-league ready talent so a leadoff hitter who can play left figures to be one of his targets in a potential Quentin deal.

That's Doug Padilla. Scott Merkin wrote something similar, which means that 40 percent of the White Sox beat writers believe Juan Pierre left shoes to fill. If he did, here they are. I think we're going to be feeling Brett Ballantini's absence more, myself. This line of thinking befuddles me on multiple levels.

First, it treats Alejandro De Aza like 2011 never happened. He raked in Triple-A, he hit even better when the Sox finally called him up a month too late, and he played a far more confident outfield than either Pierre or Alex Rios. He did just about everything he could to prove himself as the team's best potential bargain for 2012, and he impressed the very same writers who are all set to marginalize him. In this scenario, there isn't a place for him to start.

Also, I don't need to be telling most SSSers this, but in case anybody who considers Pierre's departure a bona fide concern, a question.

WHICH PLAYER IS THE BETTER LEADOFF CANDIDATE?

  • Player X: .329 OBP, 61 percent stolen-base rate.
  • Player Y: .388 OBP, 70 percent stolen-base rate.*

(I included De Aza's 2010 to beef up his sample size a bit. And damnit, I just gave it away.)

I mean, if the Sox really were hurting for a Juan Pierre that badly... they could just sign Juan Pierre. Scott Podsednik couldn't find a multi-year deal after he fared surprisingly well in 2009. Pierre is not going to be in demand. I'll stop before I give anybody ideas.

In a world where the Sox must cut costs, isn't De Aza a necessity until proven otherwise? He might not be a lead-pipe lock to produce, but the Sox already broke the bank on "proven" guys who keep crapping the bed. Now they're going to need to plug in the De Azas of baseball to fill the gaps, and the De Aza they have was kind enough to prove that he can really play, and for cheap.

His weakness is his spotty health history, which means the Sox will have to comb the waiver wire and minor-league free agent list for some Triple-A depth that might be able to step in, but that's how they got De Aza in the first place. And Podsednik before him. You know, the last leadoff man the Sox absolutely had to replace with outside help.

Sigh.

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Unless...

Over at Baseball Nation, Grant Brisbee had an interesting reaction to Willie Bloomquist's surprisingly lucrative two-year deal.

It means the money's-a-flowin'. Think about the players who have signed so far. Chien-Ming Wang signed for $4 million. Juan Rivera signed for $4.5 million. Ryan Madson was likely offered a deal for $11 million per season.

Middle relievers? The Giants picked up a $5 million option for their second lefty in the pen, Jeremy Affeldt. They might have seen the storm approaching. Looks like anyone who is competent out of a bullpen will be paid. [...]

Willie Bloomquist was the final piece of evidence. Dude got a two-year deal to keep him away from other teams. He's the free-agent canary in the marketplace coal mine -- this market is about to go insane. It seemed like a possibility early in the offseason. But I didn't know until this day ... that it was Bloomquist all along.

I don't know if this is this is the case, but it warrants watching. In this world, Frasor becomes more tradeable than he should be. So does Matt Thornton.

When Williams plays coy, though, he usually does either by omission, or leaving large loopholes. I'm not seeing either here:

With just over $91 million already committed to 13 players, it seems tough for the White Sox to make significant payroll reductions. Williams quickly pointed out that "chump change" wasn't being talked about in any sort of cuts, so "it's all significant."

"I have not been asked to do anything other than formulate the plan of attack and the best course of action for us as we stand here today," Williams said. "Do I have an idea where we are? Yes, and it's a little bit less than what we had last year."

So I don't see a situation where Williams spends more than he did last year, because that's not his style. Whether he can free up more cash than expected is a different matter, and he's leaving the door open on that one.

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White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.

by greenlight on Nov 11, 2011 6:49 AM CST reply actions  

"Ryan Madson was likely offered a deal for $11 million per season. "

That’s ridiculous if it’s true.

And if it is true, it’s even more ridiculous that he hasn’t accepted it yet.

by PeejSox on Nov 11, 2011 6:52 AM CST reply actions  

hahaha

exactly right , this deal never should have been offered and if it was and madsen didnt have a heart attack while reading the contract he is freaking crazy for not signing it

by Knoxfire30 on Nov 11, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I get a little goofy crazy with DeAza Mvp stuff

But the media’s attempt to portray him as fodder is just stupid. The White Sox are fine in the outfield.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 8:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

It seems like they view him as a 4th OF just because they don’t know him.

And while we are at it, this “LF-Leadoff” scenario is eerily reminiscent of the “CF-Leadoff” scenario from the pre-Rios years. Seems like a pretty limited market of players who can play both LF AND the Leadoff positions. In simpler terms, it’s stupid, lazy writing IMO. Sheesh!

by ParisSox on Nov 11, 2011 10:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I forget. Is the younger Danks D considered exceptional?

Exceptional enough that if Rios shits the bed again. His D would overcome his bat?

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by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Danks the Lesser won the minor league gold glove.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=4300687

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

If Rios shits the bed again, then he's pretty clearly behind Quentin, Viciedo, and De Aza, no?

Keeping my brain box out of things and relying on good vibrations, I’m thinking Rios may already be the 4th best OF on the 40 man roster. If Quentin is traded, then I guess it’s time to hope Rios doesn’t skip his good month this season. (Yeah, Q and Tank on the corners could make for some interesting outfield defense, but we’ve seen worse, which somehow makes it acceptable!)

by mechanical turk on Nov 11, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

the Girl comes home and says:

why do you have a picture of a gay guy on the computer.

by obnoxious american on Nov 11, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And Im still trying to figure out

why the HELL they spent money on Frasor.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 8:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

There is a cheap outfielder I'd like the to pick up if they trade Quentin, but then Rios doesn't have a place to play.

And as much as I’d like that to happen, it won’t.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

which outfielder?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I plan on putting together an offseason plan (most likely over Thanksgiving break) like I have the past two years.

But since I probably won’t be including him because it’s awkward to fit him in, David DeJesus.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we still get Napoli?

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to figure out which "unrealistic" target to trade Quentin for this winter.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

God, I wish we had made that trade.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

yep.

I couldn’t help thinking all postseason about Napoli and Ugod’s suggestion last preseason!

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by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I also advocated for both Will Ohman and Adam Dunn.

With Ohman earning the exact contract we gave him.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

sox payroll

ballparking a few numbers I have it at about 105 mil, thats with floyd, danks, quentin on board and MB gone… if one of those pitchers is moved and quentin is moved that puts the sox at about 93-95 mil…. so if they spend a little less on payroll this year compared to last doesnt that leave them with about 25 million to spend or is my math fuzzy

and where would they spend that money if they do in fact have it to spend

by Knoxfire30 on Nov 11, 2011 8:56 AM CST reply actions  

Everytime I read these quotes from Kenny, what immediately comes to mind...

is that he still doesn’t get it. That, or he’s just following marching orders from Jerry. Either way, I have a feeling we’re in for another offseason of smacking our heads when any transaction is announced, saying “what the hell are they doing?!?!” At this point, if that gets KW out the door and someone in who is willing to do what probably needs to be done (a full rebuild), then maybe I’m ok with that.

by polodude017 on Nov 11, 2011 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

If Juan Pierre is on the southside next year it would be more than disheartening

I would feel betrayed, I don’t know what I would do next summer. If I get into a fatal car accident this winter and I lived long enough to see Juan Pierre signed I would be okay with exploring the afterlife.

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

there's...

there’s just no way. is there?

by obnoxious american on Nov 11, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

JP was the first one on the chopping block last year and Ozzie went to bat for him hardcore.

Unless Williams has completely changed heart, I don’t think JP will be back. And I sure as hell hope he won’t be.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

word on the street is there is a mystery team who is courting Jamie Carroll.

Guess which organization is pompously an enigma wrapped in a mystery at all times, guess which organization has been rumored to be courting Carroll? If Jamie Carroll is on the White Sox next summer I will barf on the vomit that is on top of the shit in my pants.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Since logic's and physics untimely death

I strongly feel that I no longer need to make sense given the cards that have been played recently. Frankly, I am unsure why I still frequent this site because this organization is consciously pushing me away.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm still here because you can't find quality quotes like this anywhere else:
If Jamie Carroll is on the White Sox next summer I will barf on the vomit that is on top of the shit in my pants.

Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?

by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 11, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose that was probably a little graphic

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

It’s about the appropriate image that a signing of Jamie Carroll would bring about.

Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?

by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 11, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

you on fire today. I like Ranty Rhubarb.

Related: how the hell is the Fan Confidence Poll ™ as high as it is? I feel like we’re about one more KW head-scratcher from entering the Bevington Zone of Depression.

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, please God, no.

I thought the Blue Jays were hot after him…

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-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel that it is my obligation to mention that he is aged 37

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I know

I was just reinforcing how much i would hate him on the White Sox by offering his age. I’ll put it this way…I would rather have Kenwo playing than Jamey Carroll, atleast that would be entertaining.

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You sure you don't go to vet school at Penn State?

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 11, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

wow. perhaps the definition of 'too soon'.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 11, 2011 8:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And we totally could be the mystery team.

Using logic and reasoning (and avoiding writing my paper for Trade and Ag), we can eliminate the following teams due to lack of need: Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Reds, Angels, Rangers, Phillies, Brewers, Nationals, Pirates, Mariners, and Athletics. According to sources on the interwebs, the Dodgers, Rockies, and Tigers can also be eliminated.

That’s half the teams in baseball!

He’s gonna be a Blue Jay though.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The Indians, Padres, and Braves can be added to the list of non-suitors. The O's and the Marlins should be thrown in this list as well.

We are now down to Toronto, Minnesota, both Chicagos, Kansas City, San Francisco, Arizona, Houston, St. Louis, and the Mets.

EXCITEMENT!

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Morosi tweeting the Twins have had recent discussions w/ his agent

But why the venom for Carrol, because that is money that could be spent elsewhere? After having a cadaver as utility guy for the last few seasons, a guy who can get on base some and play multiple positions competently would seem like a good insurance policy. That is if he is going to get a couple of mil. Is somebody expected to pay him $5 mil and make him a starter?

by MelidoPerez on Nov 11, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't like Marty Barrett.

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

FKW.

he just keeps fucking up my shit.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

Does the deal with the state insulate the Sox from losing money each year?

Or at least cover most of the losses? I do not know the details, but I believe it greatly helps out Jerry in case of years like 2011 when attendance is down.

It really wouldn’t make sense to cut costs anyway. They’re saddled with the three albatross contracts. Why make it worse by removing valuable players around them, just to save some cash? That would torpedo the remaining fan base in my opinion. I believe KW likes toying with the media and loves to keep people guessing. I think that is why we always hear KW cry poor, but then his actions are saying something else.

by jimmyjr on Nov 11, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

I can't wait until the only person KW can keep guessing is his wife

I fear that KW will somehow have a say in his replacement and his legacy will be passed down to the next generation.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

" three albatross contracts"

I think this is becoming a bit overstated. Peavy probably has 21 million left (17+4). His peripheral stats seem to suggest a decent year for him in 2012. Good chance he provides a good chunk of his salary’s remaining bucks.

At this point he’s just not the same class as Rios or Dunn (if he doesn’t recover).

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by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

reply fail

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

I think Peavy gets unfairly grouped with Dunn and Rios because he’s got a big salary and he missed some time with injury. He had the lowest FIP of all the Sox starters, and he’s been effective in the time that he’s been on the mound. As long as Robin doesn’t let him bulldog his way through any minor injuries, I don’t think he’s a lost cause in 2012. But that option for ’13 might as well be declined already.

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by mikecws91 on Nov 11, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

one year contracts, which this essentially is now, are almost per se not albatrosses

because they’re almost over. but the reason it gets lumped in is because peavy has provided actual value of about 1.5 WAR in each of the past two seasons. which, as i’ve mentioned before and is obvious, is not a good return on money. yes, his peripherals are good. and, if i were to bet, i may put my money on peavy to provide the most WAR next season. but he’s not likely to approach the 4 WAR or so he’d need to justify the money paid to him.

by larry on Nov 11, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt he does 4 war too

My point was he’s not a black hole next year

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by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

His bWAR won't be that if he plays the season

His salary is 17 million next year. If he can do a 2.5 for a season’s work I can live with it.

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by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Hope is not an investment process.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 11, 2011 8:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't really know how much his peripheral stats matter when common sense suggests another 15-20 start year.

If he misses as much time as he normally does, there’s absolutely no way his production can match his price tag.

by pooriejay on Nov 13, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Why does common sense suggest another 15-20 start year?

Which injury is going to spring up? Isn’t there a chance he remains healthy?

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by Uribe Down on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

because in his last three seasons he's started 16, 17 and 18 games.

i suppose common sense would suggest that he’ll start 19 games in 2012.

by larry on Nov 14, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Right. What seems more likely? A 19 start season from Peavy next year, or an injury-free 30+ start season?

I think it’s the 19 start season, overwhelmingly. Of course there’s a chance that he remains healthy, but I certainly wouldn’t call it “likely.”

by pooriejay on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

How in the hell is De Aza not a typical leadoff guy?

Other than the fact that he actually gets on base? Seriously, if he’s not at the top of the order next year, it will all but confirm the Sox’s serious issues in talent evaluation.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 11, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Hits for too much power

He had a .520 SLG last season. That’s not the sign of a true leadoff hitter, a table-setter. No, no way do you have De Aza hit a double and start the game on 2B. The right way to handle it is to have a true leadoff man beat out an infield hit and then have De Aza bunt him over to 2B. It’s the little things.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ozzie is gone

we all have to start remembering this

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Ozzie was a puppet, just like Ventura will be.

Coop and Herm are pulling the strings. How can you be so naive? It’s them, it’s always been them. We are all but pawns in their sick game of chess.

by mechanical turk on Nov 11, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If I could fuck a bunt

I would

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling that Kenny has already decided

that Mark is gone. Like since he picked up Frasor.

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Nov 11, 2011 12:22 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

If it's going to cost as much as it looks like it probably is going to

he’s making the right decision based on the cards he dealt himself.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Kenny always plays the angles.

Signs Frasor, “ohh we have no money, I guess I have to operate like I won’t get Buehrle,” spend all of Jerry’s money, and then when Buehrle is close to signing with someone else wait for the same call he got on AJ to go ahead and spend the cash.

by mechanical turk on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

4 years/50 million for Papelbon with Philly

Every time you think Ruben Amaro can’t top himself, he goes and does something like this.

by MelidoPerez on Nov 11, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

2HA, defend your boy.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg your pardon?

I don’t recall being overly fond of Amaro, though I believe I may have said I didn’t hate the Cliff Lee trade like everyone else. Yeah, I’d do Papelbon, but that’s a different issue.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

For the record, I think this is a dumbass deal.

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-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I went back and reread that fun thread after posting this.

Mea culpa.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

meow!

unbelievable

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the collapse of the Phillies is going to be very entertaining.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

This is tantamount to treason

You would have the people of Philadelphia happy in return for a Thome ring? Personally I would like to see Gavin Floyd get a ring.

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

They deserve it

Have you ever been there?

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by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Been to White Detroit once. That was enough.

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-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Detroit makes Philly look like CandyLand.

Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?

by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 11, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

A shitty and overrated board game?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

"Candy"

Is code for “Crystal Meth”

Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?

by AirTrafficAJ on Nov 11, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It's very strange, I don't really like Philly, don't like the people,

don’t like the cheese stake or 76ers, Eagles, Fliers, but I don’t mind the Phillies.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you kill with a cheese stake?

Answer: fat people.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I have some friends from Philly. You know what goes on a real, authentic Philly cheese steak?

Whiz. Cheez Whiz. It’s got two words and they both end in z, for fuck’s sake. Also, I don’t care what anyone says, Wawa is not an exception to the “you don’t buy food from gas stations” rule.

by mechanical turk on Nov 11, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

oxford, ms has a chevron station that sells chicken on a stick.

and they sell out most every night after the bars close.

(they got some of my money)

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

fat vampires?

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 11, 2011 4:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

lactose intolerant vampires, actually.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Where do you get 'love' from, lol?

I said I didn’t mind them.

My NL team is those damn Nationals.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Wilson is safe!

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three-run homers."

by ThreeRunHomer on Nov 12, 2011 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Philly fans are hilarious

I lived there for a couple of years and went to many games. I found them to be very intelligent baseball fans and seriously clever with their insults to the players. If you insult a player and use his position, i,e. you don’t know his name, then they turn their vile against you in cruel and hilarious ways for being ignorant.

by ParisSox on Nov 11, 2011 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Philly is a great town.

Much fun.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 11, 2011 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would too.

But I also enjoy watching poorly constructed things fall apart.

And committing $150MM to Ryan Howard and Papelbon over the next four years is hilariously bad.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the second part whole-heartedly.

You can watch something poorly constructed fall apart right here! No need to go to Filthy-delphia.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Papelbon is only making $6MM fewer than Adam Dunn over the same length of contract.

And this is to pitch 60ish innings a year. This is worse.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It gets even better.

Apparently there will be a vesting option for a fifth year and another $10MM.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy Christ.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 11, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome

I can’t wait for about 3 years to pass so the Phillies can be the new and worse Mets.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 11, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The Mets had a bunch of them too.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, the Phillies WHAT?

WTF. I hate Papelbon. He’s such a douche.

After this, I’m starting to doubt they’ll re-sign Rollins.

Let's go Hawks! Detroit sucks!
Bear down, Chicago Bears!

by HappyHuman on Nov 11, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Where's Jose Lopez?

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

this is my favorite part

Another possibility is perhaps the Yanks agree to take on either Adam Dunn or Alex Rios

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked the part where he argued that Danks is better than his record and era

and then says the Yankees shouldn’t give the Sox too much because he had a bad era and record last year.

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Nov 11, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I miss the meeting where we all agreed that Adam Dunn can only get worse from his production last season?

Rios, sure, but I refuse to sign up for the levels of smug that will waft west from the Bronx when Dunn rebounds and hits 50 homers with the Yankees and their short porch.

by mechanical turk on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

we didn’t invite you on purpose we already knew what you were going to say

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the same thing though

Even if he does thrash next year the Sox didn’t trade anything to get him. I believe Dunn rebounds too but if the Yankees wanted to take on the risk instead sign me up.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 11, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he really mention Gardner?

I seriously doubt the Yankees would even trade Gardner for Danks straight up. Is he still THAT undervalued in New York?

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

And Rhubarb, prepare to celebrate tonight.

Jamey Carroll is going to the team that just makes sense. Per Crasnick:

#Jamey Carroll is closing in on a multiyear deal with Twins, sources say. He would be their everyday SS.

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by U-God on Nov 11, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

bwahahahaha!

I’m leaving work early baby! Time to tie one on!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

This is definitely an upgrade over J.J. Hardy.

Not sure why they’re giving up on Nishioka so soon though.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 11, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

probably because he is awful at baseball.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's one of my favorite players.,

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Nov 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

Rationale?

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 11, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be more sarcastic next time.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 11, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks. you gotta lay it on pretty thick around here.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

everyday SS?

my god. the divide in competence in mlb GMs grows by the day.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 11, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

that's pretty humiliating for them.

unfortunately now we have to see that douchenozzle 19 times a year. argh.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 11, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Guess that answers my question

Less than a week and Terry Ryan is putting the onus back on grindiness in Minny. Somewhere Hawk is telling his wife what a great move this is because he kills the Sox.

by MelidoPerez on Nov 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

i mentioned on the minor league thread

but, for those who don’t check it, the arizona fall league team with white sox prospects on it is playing on mlb network tonight at 7pm. tyler saladino is playing third and brandon short is in right field. the pitching schedule is a bit messed up due to a cancelled game earlier this week but the majority of the white sox pitchers may also be appearing.

by larry on Nov 11, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

FP'd it.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Nov 11, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

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