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Crash Years: U-God's slightly realistic 2012 White Sox offseason plan

I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man.  (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)

It's that time of the year again. The GM meetings are coming up this week, so I think it's high time for a little rosterbation. You may remember from such pipe dreams as obtaining Mike Napoli for Carlos Quentin last winter or picking up Marlon Byrd for the hole in center field before the 2010 season. This is usually one of my favorite posts to write each season, as I get to pretend I have some sort of actual authority and ability to make things happen. This year's post was a little less fun. The combination of poor attendance and $43MM tied up between the likes of Adam Dunn, Jake Peavy, and Alex Rios, there's no true way to be active on the free agent market. Payroll is going down, and if you believe larry (I am usually inclined to), we're talking about a payroll around $100-105MM or so. Unlike last year, we're not emptying the coffers. Oh, and I'm just going to call every league minimum contract $0.5MM for easy math.

Star-divide

Time to say goodbye:

This is the hard part. If we're really cutting payroll this winter, there's no way to bring Mark Buehrle back next season. If the Marlins and Red Sox (among others) are actually interested, we will be outbid. I'm going to miss him, but sentimentality is for the old and the weak. There's a reason I'm good at euthanasia. Mark, it's been amazing. We'll see you in a few years when you're ready to retire a White Sox.

Arbitration:

I have been an unyielding advocate over the past two years for signing John Danks to the Jon Lester deal. This no longer seems like it's going to ever happen. So we'll take him to arbitration for the final time and hope for the best. If we can get him to sign to an extension during the season, fantastic. If not, expect him to be traded come July if the season is in the tank. I'm projecting him to get anywhere from $7.6-8.5MM in arbitration, so for the sake of simplicity we'll call it $8MM.

Trade bait:

You probably noticed that Carlos Quentin's name wasn't in the arbitration part of this post. Well done, astute reader. Trading Quentin is a relatively easy way to free up $6-7MM and get something back in return. Other than Carlos Beltran, the free agent market for corner outfielders is pretty hideous (unless you like the idea of giving up your first round pick for Michael Cuddyer). I don't see a good fit for any major league ready talent like KW would prefer, so I'd like to help restock the farm system a bit. Have you looked at Oakland's depth chart recently? It's awesome. That looks like a need to me. Quentin isn't going to bring back an extreme amount of talent, but he could bring back some interesting pieces. A lot of the shine that was once on Michael Taylor when he came over in the Brett Wallace trade has since faded, making him the perfect KW target. And while we're in the business of taking prospects they may have soured on, why not toss Nequa Valley High School product Ian Krol in as well? Krol has talent, but spent the 2011 season suspended for an idiotic text. This may have knocked his stock down enough to get him tossed in as well.

This other trade may be a little less realistic. Alex Anthopoulos does not care for this high-priced closer market. AA has developed quite the farm system up there in Toronto. This is where KW needs to step in. If he can ship Jesse Crain and his 2/$9MM contract to the Blue Jays, he clears up another solid chunk of payroll and has a little bit of leverage to work with. Is Crain an ideal closer? I don't know, but I do know he's a pretty damn good relief pitcher signed for a lot less money than most relievers of his caliber will go for this winter. I'd love it if we could get Jake Marisnick for our troubles. Marisnick had a great year in his first full year in the Midwest League. He's just another chit in the reasonably stacked Blue Jays' farm system, but would be a top five player in ours.

Free agent:

We only really have the money to sign one middle-tier free agent, so I want David DeJesus. The former Royal/Athletic had an off year last season, which should drive down his asking price. DeJesus should be brought in on a 1/$4.5MM deal with incentives. But where would he play, you ask? Left field. He's great defensively in left, and if he bounces back to his career .776 OPS, he'll provide a solid bat from the second spot in the lineup.

Finished roster:

Lineup: Alejandro De Aza-CF, David DeJesus-LF, A.J. Pierzynski-C, Paul Konerko-1B, Adam Dunn-DH, Alexei Ramirez-SS, Dayan Viciedo-RF, Brent Morel-3B, Gordon Beckham-2B. Bench: Tyler Flowers-C, Brent Lillibridge-UTIL, Osvaldo Martinez-INF, Alex Rios-OF.

That's right. Alex Rios is benched. Is A.J. in the three-hole ideal? No. But there can be some realigning of the lineup once Dayan proves he can hack it in the pros again. Osvaldo Martinez replaces Omar Vizquel as a utility infielder that can actually play shortstop and third base without making us worry about arm strength. This is Gordon Beckham's last stand.

Rotation: Jake Peavy, John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Phillip Humber, Chris Sale.

This is a bit of hoping for the best, as it will be hard to get 30 starts each out of Peavy and Sale. This is accounted for in the bullpen though.

Bullpen: Sergio Santos, Jason Frasor, Matt Thornton, Will Ohman, Addison Reed, Gregory Infante, and Zach Stewart.

Just because Ozzie is gone doesn't mean the end of the twelve man pitching staff. If we're going to attempt using Sale and Peavy, we'll need a long man/spot starter. This is Zach Stewart's job. He can get experience pitching out of the bullpen and learn from Don Cooper all year.

Bottom line:

It's not the sexiest team in the world and it relies on Adam Dunn and Jake Peavy not sucking heavily, but this is what you get for the money range allotted. Using Cot's, this team costs $106.25MM, putting payroll just below that of the 2007 team. The prospects picked up don't fix the farm system, but they should help to move it out of last place in the eyes of the prospect mavens.

 


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Makes too much sense to be realistic.

Nice work.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 14, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Buehrle isn't your dog, and he isn't a lame horse. But I'm a SOW, Sentimental, Old, and Weak.

Otherwise, your team isn’t bad…only 1/2 bad which makes them .500 if I counted right. If true, at least we get to see a full season of Morel and De Aza (assuming health) and that should be entertaining enough to watch with interest. Maybe not for the casual fan, but those 2 and Sale starting are enough for me.
Thanks for the post Dr. Kevorkian!

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 14, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

I like the acquisiton of DeJesus more than my go-to of Rios starting and Danks II as the 4th OF.

Very reasonable post. There aren’t a whole lot of options to play with given the Sox’ high ratio of unmovable contracts to money and prospects. I kind of expect Jerry to get all nostalgia-y and demand Buehrle back, and if that happens we’re guaranteed to see another starting pitcher leave with Quentin and possibly some more of the bullpen guys. Since that would give Kenny the best chance to do something crazy and probably damaging in the long term, that’s kind of what I expect.

by mechanical turk on Nov 14, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

JR is a smart man who knows what he is doing, he is not going to allow sentiment to cloud his judgement

Mark is going to cost lots and lots of money…. I doubt that the Sox cuts are going to be as drastic as feared, but one of the worst things to do would be to spend all the money on one will be one of the most expensive starters on the market.

I doubt it would work out well for Mark either, we know how quickly Sox fans (and fans in general) turn on players who do not live up to the big money contract.

by 815Sox on Nov 15, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't let your fandom cloud your judgement of his worth.

There aren’t that many idiot GM’s left out there. We want him back because of who he ia and what he’s done for us… And the Sox. Objectively though…

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 15, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I already talked to you about this

but I think Taylor could still be better than Quentin could realistically be worth. From the A’s anyway, who should value Q appropriately. Still, it’s a tough plan to put together given the limitations KW put on you.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 14, 2011 5:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, it's definitely less believable than my Quentin trade last year.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 14, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

this is also my favorite post of the year of yours. great job.

I’m working on the KenWo plan. It will be unveiled at a later date (hopefully this saturday). Mine is a little more extreme and a little more unrealistic. but what the hell.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 14, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

Cloning Sweeney was a great idea by them.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 14, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

Since U-God's front pagers usually turn into the RRRR (meme, kids)...

Bill James’ 2012 projections are out and included in Fangraph’s player pages.

Adam Dunn:

.220/.355/.443

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 14, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

Rios: .269/.323/.434

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 14, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Morel: .273/.314/.418

And I’m done.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 14, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Boy, if you could guarantee me Rios' numbers, I'd be okay.

I wouldn’t love it, but I’d be okay with it.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 14, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If he has to play I'd rather it was a corner with De Aza in CF.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 14, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And that would make Q a goner.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 14, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

if i'm not mistaken, james' numbers are always pretty optimistic.

which means get ready for some depressing projections for rios and dunn.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 14, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think this is true anymore

Egus can speak better on it. (He’s used them for years) but they pretty much even out now.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 14, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

optimistic for younger players

he’s projecting them as if they make it as major leaguers. so, like, 75th percentile projection.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 14, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Now that I think of it younger players were the issue.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 14, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I could live with all 3 of those

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 14, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

optimistic

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by JofpGallagher on Nov 15, 2011 5:26 AM CST up reply actions  

This was so much more fun than studying for pharm.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 14, 2011 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

like your idea about signing dejesus

I don’t expect many signings in FA either, but DeJesus is really underrated and came up with some clutch hits against us. Also like that you added Infante in the pen, was really impressed when he came up at the end of 10.

by walterfan34 on Nov 14, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

I've been a pretty big proponent...

of trading the expensive bullpen arms if salary really does need to be cleared. Quentin is pretty clearly on the block and I think Buehrle is gone, but if there needs to be more payroll cleared than that, I think Crain, Thornton, Frasor and Ohman should be next on the chopping block. I know we’ve seen a horrific bullpen or two in Sox history, but you can always find decent relievers off the scrap heap and relievers is one thing this minor league system has.

I’m not sure how much those guys would bring back (probably not a ton), but I’d rather trade them than Danks/Floyd.

by polodude017 on Nov 14, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions  

So you're essentially proposing that we trade everyone with experience in the pen other than Santos?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 14, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said, if more salary needs to by cut.

I’d rather trade bullpen arms than starters or position players. Other than Q, who would you rather trade (realistically) to clear space?

by polodude017 on Nov 14, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I put who I would trade.

I think I left it at a realistic payroll. They won’t get shit for Thornton and I’d rather not completely empty the bullpen.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I agree...

I’m just saying hypothetically if Jerry wants to cut more payroll.

by polodude017 on Nov 14, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Read

Seems like it could actually happen. I think we should save the money on the free agent market though and give Lillibridge a shot at starting. He could hit like he did this season, 13 hrs in 186 atbats, maybe he could mash 30 in a season. I want to see him get at least a small chance at the starting role.

by dasox313 on Nov 14, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

Sometimes players just boom though.

Mel Ott was a small dude and he could hit homers. I don’t see the harm in giving him at least 250ab’s to test him at the starting.

by dasox313 on Nov 15, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd pass on this.

I like him in the super-sub role, but anything more than that and he will be easily exposed.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

"Listen, it’s professional sports," Williams said at a hotel restaurant at the general managers’ meetings. "There’s a time for everyone to come. There’s a time for everyone to go. I don’t know if this is his time to go. … I don’t want this to come out the wrong way because he has been as consistent of a performer as you’d ever want over the time he’s been here.

"What I will miss more than that is the person he is. And you guys know what I’m talking about. When you talk about teammates, good teammates, supportive teammates, guys who have fun in the game, know when to be serious, know when to check somebody but know when to make somebody laugh, this is the guy you want. There’s much more that we’re going to miss than just every fifth day from Mark.

"So if it comes down to he’s not here, we got to make the adjustment. That’s just the business of baseball. But it doesn’t mean we like it. It doesn’t mean that’s our preferred course. It doesn’t mean we won’t want him here. Just means this is kind of the way it has to be."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-williams-not-sounding-optimistic-about-buehrle-returning-to-sox-20111114,0,4324208.story

by larry on Nov 14, 2011 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

its called negotiation

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

if gonzales quoted it correctly, i don't like that last sentence.

the white sox can’t approach miami in money and probably won’t match years.

by larry on Nov 14, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Would he be using Miami to set the market?

Maybe he prefers to stay close to home (Midwest) but wants fair market value to do so. Trying not to be naive, but I think ultimately lifestyle and being close to his family will factor in his decision.

by ParisSox on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well yeah

I meant that he’s USING Miami. I would be very surprised if he goes there even if they offer the most. Of course that all changes if he decides he needs new hunting challenges, like gators.

by ParisSox on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He gone.

Sad, I am. FKW’sSOJPARAAD. Fucking large contracts.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 5:19 AM CST up reply actions  

williams out!

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i was led to believe there's a time for everyone to go, too, kenny.

but you seem to be proving that wrong.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously

how disingenuous is that?

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to believe...so badly...

that Rios is benchable. I want to believe in logic…and unicorns, all at once. But I just get this feeling he’ll be starting on opening day. And this feeling makes me open another beer.

by StockroomSnail on Nov 14, 2011 9:24 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

Something tells me conventional manager wisdom gives Rios another shot that I wouldn’t give him. I know Robin doesn’t have conventional manager wisdom, but you have to think he’s going to be very impressionable, especially if TLR comes in to “mentor” him.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not really a problem if Rios is starting on opening day.

If he hits like he did last year and is still starting a few months into the season, that’s a problem.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Nov 15, 2011 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

In fact I would contend that he NEEDS to be starting on opening day. You have to give him a chance to give you something for all that money you’re paying him. If he’s shit again, bench him. Same with Dunn. Hopefully at least one of them can provide some value.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd hope they give him another chance (on a short least)

I could be totally wrong and I wasn’t paying as much attention as I usually do towards the end of the season, but didn’t he look like he was doing a little bit better towards the end? If he works on the offseason, comes in and has a good spring training then I’d bet they give him another shot. I see no reason not too.

by 815Sox on Nov 15, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, hey guys.

love me some rosterbation

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by BoeJouma on Nov 14, 2011 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

Colin helped me with that part.

I had DeJesus as a 4th type and insurance for slumps and injuries. But Ventura owes nothing to Rios.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

i think you should have stuck with your first instinct.

i think rios will at least start the season in the outfield

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

"colin".

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

This is hysterical.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The Ian Krol link is from when he got suspended for the 2009 season at Neuqua Valley for being "in the presence of alcohol".

Here’s a link for his A’s suspension in 2011. He apparently made a tweet with "a gay slur along with some other offensive language." So he was suspended for two whole seasons, in high school and pro ball, for a couple of stupid things.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 15, 2011 12:13 AM CST reply actions  

wow. pretty harsh.

think of all the rope Rocker got before he hung himself.

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Keep in mind, he was a juvenile and as such has a sealed record

this is all that we know, I’d bet he got into something more signifigant or was getting in trouble more frequently.

by 815Sox on Nov 15, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Great job, U-G.

Would love to see DeJesus here.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 5:19 AM CST reply actions  

My favorite part is Alex spot in the daily line up you put up there.

If Dayan lives up expectations, this is actually a decent team. Insert Alex, and it becomes awful.

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by JofpGallagher on Nov 15, 2011 5:31 AM CST reply actions  

Mark B gone

Last year we thought Paulie was history.This team was interested and that team was making an offer.It turned out he was being low balled or did not want to go to were the money was better.Ended up back here with a reasonable contract..Mark is similer to Paul.More years is less attractive not more.Location is an important issue,if the money is 10 or 11 mil.per year the Sox could easily do that.Trading Danks or Floyd would provide most of the cash and bring back young talent.It ain’t over till it’s over

by Lil Jimmy on Nov 15, 2011 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

KW's quote is fairly damning.

Don’t recall him giving the “adios” speech before the contract was signed. I hope you are right, but I am less optimistic than I was last week.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

more years is less attractive?

huh?

and the problem is that miami can handily beat the white sox’ offer. arizona (3 years, $30 million) didn’t beat the white sox offer (3 years, $37.5 million).

by larry on Nov 15, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Less years

Mark has always maintained that he did not want to play until the wheels fell off.The 37.5 mil to Konerko is a very friendly contract.If Miami signs one of the other big fish first does that change things?
I guess I would rather be hopeful.

by Lil Jimmy on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

of the players miami has (allegedly) offered contracts to, buehrle is the only one who is a decent bet to sign there.

pujols is of course a joke. reyes probably is stretch.

there are no players who ever maintain that they want to play until the wheels fell off. and, as i’ve pointed out before, a baseball player isn’t an indentured servant. he can retire after three years even if he has a four year contract and – get this – his employer can’t stop him.

by larry on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

At this point, I just don't see the point in trying to bring back Buehrle.

The only way it made sense to me coming into this offseason was if he was willing to give the Sox some kind of break in terms of a contract, but it doesn’t appear that that is going to be the case. At this point, I think it’s best if they move on without him, take the draft pick, keep Danks and Floyd and give Sale a shot.

The real question there is, what happens with Danks if they hold onto him? If he comes out and plays well, he’s definitely going to insist on testing FA. If the team struggles, a trade makes a lot of sense. If he struggles a bit, maybe he panics and they can get him to accept an extension, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. I guess we’ll see what happens.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see the point in NOT bringing Buehrle back

If you are passing draft picks to keep a marginally useful player like Frasor, how can you take the draft picks and pass on a really useful player like Buehrle?

by joewho112 on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Frasor costs $3.7M, Burls will probably cost ten times that.

I’m not saying I liked the Frasor move (I kind of hate it). Just explaining how management can decide to not bring Mark back for a team headed for 2 or 3 80-win seasons.

by pooriejay on Nov 15, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Well first off...

you can’t compare this to the Frasor move in a vacuum. 1) I’m not convinced Frasor is on the roster come opening day and 2) if he is, I could easily see Crain elsewhere. Now if they are both there come opening day, I’ll agree that that made little to no sense.

And reasons for not bringing Buehrle back? Cost, payroll, other rotation options, age. Take your pick. Pros would be he’s still playing at a high level and that he resonates a lot with the fans, but I think the cons outweigh those. Maybe that would be different if the payroll was in better shape, but its not.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is one

Mark is most likely going to be invovled in a bidding war between teams like The Rangers, The Yankees, The BoSox and other teams looking to spend money. It would take Mark taking a massive paycut to stay here. I see no reason why he would do this. He is making GENERATIONAL WEALTH, meaning this should setup his kids, their kids, their kids, their kids etc etc

It would be a massive risk for the White Sox to sign him to a huge contract. Plus, we saw how quickly fans here turn on players that do not live up to the big money contract.

If the Sox are going to spend lots of cash on a pitcher, than they should spend it on Danks. That would obviously be the much wiser move.

by 815Sox on Nov 15, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Once again, big assumption that the other GM's will overpay for a soft-tossing craftsman.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Nov 15, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

i would say the 83 million dollars he has already made in his career

is enough to set up his family until the planet earth is no longer habitable by human beings.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 16, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he should leave money on the table

because he should. Nice free-market thesis. Go Occupy Wall Street.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

have you mixed up your medications again?

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 16, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

This coming from the man who got mad at Manny Ramirez for retiring.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 16, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Not quite apples to apples.

Try again.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Lets make money off of nothing producing nothing and steal from everyone else

go Wall Street

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by Rhubarb on Nov 16, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Go Martin Sheen!

Nice use of old material. I thought that was my job.

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by winningugly on Nov 17, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is Buehrle more likely for Miami than Reyes?

Given Buehrle’s previous comments about the importance of family and seeing his kids grow up, why would he go further away from them? Money has never seemed like a huge deal to him.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

lots of people retire in florida.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 15, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of people die in FL.

MB’s not near death yet. He would be in Miami.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

WE'RE GONNA GET PUJOLS!

AND REYES! AND THE BLANCO BURLEY!

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

they are all going to the Cubs silly

And Ryno is gonna be manager and Carry and Santo are going to descend down from the heavens

by 815Sox on Nov 15, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Outstanding.

I loved that moment.

The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He did get a better offer from BAL.

Though that is not what is being discussed. I just like diversions.

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by winningugly on Nov 15, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Article.

This is my favorite activity in the off-season. I like the predictions in the article but still haven’t given up on signing Buehrle. How about a three year deal for 5/12.5/12.5 mil. He doesn’t need the money now and our payroll goes down after 2012 and Peavy leaves. Trade Quentin for prospects and forget about DeJesus. Play Rios in LF and hope for the best. About the same payroll ~$105 mil.

by soxfan50 on Nov 15, 2011 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

In your scenario, Rios would be in right.

Viciedo would shift to left.

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by U-God on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Lillibridge...

Is there a reason we aren’t considering him as a backup infielder? I don’t recall watching him a ton at SS/2B, was he that bad?

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

the only infield spot he played last year was first base.

it looks like the sox have made their decision on where they can play lillibridge.

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by MarketMaker on Nov 15, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Right, but he was primarily a SS coming up.

and he played quite bit of second base if I’m not mistaken.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

He's not good defensively as an infielder.

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by U-God on Nov 15, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

butbutbutbut

Viciedo isn’t good in the outfield so what givesssss?

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by Rhubarb on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

This is all I wanted to hear.

Didn’t remember him being particularly bad, but that’s all I wanted to know.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not just consider him the backup outfielder and be happy?

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by Chiburb on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Because his bat plays a lot better as a middle infielder than a corner OF.

If Beckham went down with an injury or really struggled again and needed some time at AAA, I would probably rather see Lillibridge get some time at 2nd than see Ozzie Martinez start there full-time. Just asking why they don’t seem to even consider him in the infield discussion when he came up playing there.

by polodude017 on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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