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Star Players and Attendance
Overall, the story over the last decade is pretty clear – when a mid-market team "shows that they’re serious about winning" by throwing a lot of money at a marquee free agent, it is usually followed by a small attendance boost in the first year of the deal. If the team doesn’t actually win in that first year, however, those fans flee very quickly, and the bad will fostered by a huge contract gone bad may actually have a negative effect on attendance.
These results jive with just about every study ever done on the effects of what drive attendance to Major League ballparks. Fans come to see winning teams, not individual players. If the Mariners want to get fans back in Safeco Field, the formula is easy – put a winning team on the field. Trying to buy yourself out of declining attendance by throwing money at one big name free agent just doesn’t work.
http://www.ussmariner.com/2011/11/17/star-players-and-attendance/
I like Fielder for the Mariners
assuming he doesn’t forget how to use a baseball bat.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
As in Prince Fielder would be a good fit for Texas?
I can’t refute that. All the more reason he’s a good fit for Seattle.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Fielder is bound to be DH sooner or later
A long contract in the NL can be a problem for a GM if your player can’t field
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by JofpGallagher on Nov 18, 2011 5:59 AM CST up reply actions
You know Seattle and Texas both play in the AL, right?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I do
I was adding info to larry’s message.
The main issue here is that I misread “Mariners”….I read “Marlins” so I was replying to Daniel’s….
in few words…I screwed it up
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Here you go:
And today we can celebrate our victory around the pike still skewering the rotten skeleton of The Cheat.
by winningugly on Nov 18, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I need a little bit of that...it's cold in here...and snow is starting to show up....
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Nov 18, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Just today.
And today we can celebrate our victory around the pike still skewering the rotten skeleton of The Cheat.
Although, the Rangers might be better off going with less risk long-term.
They can more afford that luxury since their roster is so balanced.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they fucked up Viciedo and DeAza's defensive projections
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I suppose I would take that kind of production from Dunn, blech
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Paulie gets to 500 homers!
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
After looking
Why Uh oh?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
For those who look the Detroit link is at the bottom of the page.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
did you miss the whole three above average offensive players, one of whom is a good bet to be traded and the other is the guy coming off one of the worst offensive seasons ever?
other than that, how was the play?
That AJ, he's gonna hit some homers (allegedly)
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Not quite sure how to answer that.
You want me to react to players not traded yet without knowing what’s come back? And did you not look at the Detroit Tigers? Miggy and V are the shit but its no bed of roses either. And the play was great. A dude got shot it was in 3D.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
then just compare this year's projections to last year's.
and everyone knows the tigers are miggy and verlander. that isn’t new.
Dunn's projection is probably trash as Dan admits.
He’s probably way better or way worse.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
That kind of wasn't my point. No I don't
I’m kind of like immune to win projections with the White Sox you know?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
You take me way too literal and serious
Im not trying to start a fight. The White Sox have long been all over the goddamn map in terms of preseason projections “larry”. So when I see another in a long line of less than optimistic projections I don’t exactly start saying uh oh. Its certainly reasonable to feel that way.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
oh you busted out the quotation marks, "Tdogg".
Fight! Fight! Fight!
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is the popcorn-eating gif?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Thank you both.
I am turgid thinking of the popcorn box trick in duplicate.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Didn't work with LockportSox.
But the butter felt good.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Nov 17, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
can you get popcorns in bars and stuff?
you only see popcorns at the pictures or the fairground here
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2011 3:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like it much
too chewy and they don’t put enough salt on
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2011 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
in america you can get popcorn pretty much anywhere you want to.
and often it is coated in caramel.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
yuk
can you get Bombay mix – I’m a big fan of that
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2011 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
like Bombay mix?
spicy aamalgam of dried rice, fruit and veg. makes the beer go down mate
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2011 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nothing beats wasabi peas.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
just wiki'd bombay mix
now I’m hungry. and want beer. very strange.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
or cheese. or both (though i have no interest in that)
and the lines outside of garrett’s in my neighborhood will depress even the most optimistic amongst us.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
these are the worst ZiPS projections i've seen in awhile.
and there’s less reason than in the past to be optimistic because there aren’t that many guys who are projected to suck but one can reasonably suggest are breakout candidates (a la john danks).
Morel!
De Aza! Sale!
Ummm…
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Tongue was firmly in cheek.
If anyone should break out – or finally end hope – it would be the Savior, in my opinion. That’s our wildcard.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
"One".
Quaint. Picking fights with the whole peer group today, aren’t we?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
don't fuck with me, wu. not you.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
so i can't have a discussion on here without these stupid memes and being accused of "fighting".
i guess we’re welcoming back the silly, horseshit SSS.
does this mean we can have boobies again?
because i’ll take that. only as long as we don’t have to have wtgtd back too.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
This is precious.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
can't......stop............from...............hitting....post
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Nov 17, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i thought that as long as the popcorn is organic
it’s ok.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Nov 17, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My old threads?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Nov 17, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Balance.
I liked the gifs. The “preference” discussion was a bit off topic. But it’s the offseason. We’re allowed a little indulgence.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
hoodie.
always gotta be shittin’ randomness on the front page threads, don’t ya? ;)
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
finally.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Nov 17, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Happy anniversary, larry!
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I think I'd take 2007 Fields
With a little more contact.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Francoeur, duh
Viciedo’s #1 comp is Francoeur.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I can certainly live with 2011 Francoeur for Viciedo's 2012.
But I’d expect a little more power and less K’s in 2013.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 17, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
World Series here we come!
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Yeah, no kidding
Are those minor league stats as well, or are we really going to get 10+ hr out of McPherson, Brandon Short, Tyler Saladino, Seth Loman, and Justin Greene?
Those are some great bench numbers if so.
"What do you mean?" he answered. "I love the Outfield!"
Oh, I see....yeah, that's crystal clear down in the "disclaimers"
“Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors –
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2012. "
There’s pedantry, and then there’s larry.
Yeah, that perfectly explains why they’d list those players then right next to the rest of the current roster. Silly me for not having dug through the disclaimers. Thanks for your usual larry snark, though. I remember now why I stopped posting when you took over as an editor.
I won’t let the door hit me on the ass on the way out.
"What do you mean?" he answered. "I love the Outfield!"
It's not your fault, son.
Well, maybe it is. ;)
Everyone OTR today? I’m in a good mood, meself. 2012 projections don’t help, but pitchers and catchers report in 3 months!
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
It's a good day.
The Sale piece did it for me, baseball-wise.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
Didn't 'ave to use the ol' AK?
Even with the ZiPS? I want what you are drinking!
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Whatever it is, it's delicious.
I don’t let any type of projection get me down. Though I suppose it’s pretty depressing see Dunn’s projected slash and think “oh, hell yeah, I’ll take it!”
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
looks like you need a friend
I’ll be your friend today, larry.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 17, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That's one hell of a regression from Buehrle
Also that would be the second lowest total games played for Paulie since he’s become a regular starter. I’m not buying it.
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
Projection systems generally suck at a sui generis guy like Buehrle
Guys who don’t strike out many batters and throw 85 almost universally are so bad they’re not even in the majors, so comparisons are tough. PECOTA typically misses him well to the pessimistic side too.
by Yinka Double Dare on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Viciedo's comps
/slumps shoulders and looks at the ground
Jessie Crain's top comp is Jason Frasor.
by mechanical turk on Nov 17, 2011 1:36 PM CST reply actions
i've always said jessie crain is just like jason frasor, though jason frasor is nothing like jesse crain.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
the bullpen looks good.
sigh.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Yes it does.
Im pretty sure however this turns out the overall pitching for the White Sox is probably pretty good next year.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
so viciedo's projected .760 OPS is good for a 100 OPS+.
in 2011, a .730 OPS was a 100 OPS+.
am i right interpreting that to mean zips is predicting the offense to come back next season?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Aww Hale Naw!
De Aza’s #1 comp is Claudell Washington.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I remember him well. A tick above average which was frustrating because I expected more.
But what did I know?
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
claudell coulda been something special
but seemed to turn into a schlub
Ouch.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 17, 2011 1:53 PM CST reply actions
i love that zips compares tony pena to a career minor leaguer by the name of blake mayo.
from now on blake mayo will be my alter ego/alias.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Sounds pretty white.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
White enough for you, Ravioli Wrestler?
Racist.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
ZIPS seems to think Quentin will be done in a year or three.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
Maybe der mann, but Astros to the AL West for real in 2013.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
every damn day.
I don’t have a problem with it if they add the DH in the NL.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i like the idea of early/late-season road trips to some nl ballparks.
but yeah, we played 18 interleague games this year, is that going to be the same but just spread over the year? because if there are going to be a lot more, then, yes, you would have to start looking at removing the DH from the NL.
It would probably be about the same
granted I am horrible at math
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Via the LA Times:
The realignment will create three five-team divisions in each league and a more balanced schedule. Teams are expected to play 72 games — 18 each — against division opponents, 60 against teams in their league’s other two divisions and 30 interleague games.
(link)
by mechanical turk on Nov 17, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Who the fuck is Graham Koonce?
Well, at least MB is projected to be with the team in 2012.
Oh…
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I used to go to Nashville Sounds games
one of the people there had signs for every player. One of them was Graham “Slam” Koonce!
That’s who.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 17, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't rate our chances
based on those numbers. I’m hoping Beckham outperforms that, and I think Viciedo will have a better OBP, the rest of it I find difficult to argue with.
by hoodlight on Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The Red Sox are looking at Bobby Valentine.
Amazing.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Wally Backman and "Nails" Dykstra must be un available.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Dykstra needs 50K upfront
to show up to the interview and 150K on the way out the door (presumably to Mexico) Also, can it be in cash?
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
why are we calling ventura venchie?
i really don’t like it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
That's why.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I choose to see it as a Poochie reference
though we’d have to be pretty lucky for this to be the 8th season of the Simpsons
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Nov 17, 2011 4:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You didn't get the memo?
greenlight is the nicknamist
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i've seen others call him that... but if he was the creator and the nicknamist... he needs to do a better job.
I think Ferris is a good name for him.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
maybe next they'll dig up Earl Weaver and give him a chance to land the job
White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.
After a quick look, I see the same thing
as last year, but subtract Quentin and Buehrle and add Viciedo and Sale. I guess that could be a wash. But I really don’t see how that team would break even at $105M.
…Making me wonder where the break even point is and if coasting to .500ish and losing money makes the rebuild any easier. If Dunn and Rios don’t rebound totally, there just won’t be enough assets to avoid having to rebuild, right?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Nov 17, 2011 4:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
here's hoping
If the team is as bad as it looks to be in 2012, perhaps the powers that be will devote their full attention to getting good young talent into the organization. Talent that may offset the deadweight on the roster through 2014.
That's a great album....despite the title
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Nov 18, 2011 6:15 AM CST up reply actions
really, you can choose any number of their titles
but there was one specific one I had in mind. Not that one, though.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 18, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
It has to be one of the two most recent.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Well, either them or Uncle Bunny Faces.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Off the top of my head
We were dead before the ship even sank
It was more entertaining reading all your comments above than the projections.
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
Suckish
but not unexpected.
Guess I better start stocking up on Big Hurt Beer.
"I enjoy young people." - Jerry "The Creep" Sandusky during Bob Costas' interview (11/14/11)
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