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Actual ticket package savings hard to decipher

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This might come as a surprise to some of you, but I like to keep track of White Sox ticket prices. Partially because, sure, Things Cost More Than They Used To, but more because it's a form of interaction between the franchise and its fans.

The two sides have circled around this issue like Sharks and Jets for years. The White Sox make a public note when attendance doesn't meet projections, but it's then followed by a regular, small increase in ticket prices. Due to their piss-poor starts the last two years, the Sox have reshaped the way they criticize their fans. Instead of guilt-tripping ("we could make an addition ... if only we had more support"), they've tried to pass it off as a weird compliment ("Boy, our fans sure hold us accountable!") Either way, the tickets never stopped increasing in price, whch puts the onus on the White Sox offer an entertaining product. They're getting further away from that goal.

I mainly focus on single-game prices because I consider the single-game price to be the official offer to the casual fan. And the casual fan is very important to restoring attendance at U.S. Cellular Field. Those prices aren't out yet, but the White Sox made their first attempt at promoting price reductions with their season-ticket packages.

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The savings, they say, range anywhere from 2 to 18 percent based on seat location (except for premium lower box and club level, which will remain flat). The upper deck gets a much-needed multi-dollar slash in pricing. $25 seems like too much, but I'd consider cutting $3 or $4 a pretty good start.

But as you might expect, the reduction is accommodated by some cost-shifting. For starters, the Sox are touting a modification to their smallest second-smallest package -- the 13-game Ozzie Plan is now Pick 14. However, they also played with the tiered pricing structure, and as a result, people like James at White Sox Observer can't exactly see the savings in the lower deck.

What specifically drew my ire is that between tacking on an extra game, and mandating that all customers purchase two games of the increased-price Cubs series, renewing my Ozzie Plan into a Pick 14 plan easily increases the price of a package I spent under $400 on last season by ~20%, and that's with opting for every dreary mid-week interdivisional game possible. It's more than enough to push me to scouring the secondary ticket market for my standard ~15 games in attendance a year.

The whole post is worth reading, highlighting a few hey-wait-a-minute factors. Given the way Brooks Boyer talked around price reductions in September, it really wouldn't surprise me if James' situation is the most common result. But as somebody who watches the Sox more often on the road than at the Cell, I'd like to know if the majority of partial or full ticket-package buyers end up in similar straits.

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The ticket agents sound beat up...

When we cancelled our 81-game full season plan and started giving an explanation, they just cut my dad off and said “We know, we know. You don’t need to explain.” Sounds like they are getting killed. If we can’t be sure that we can sell the games we normally sell each year, then a smaller plan or no plan with online purchases makes more sense. Oh, and if the GM is still trying to pick a direction, how do you convince people that they should spend money in advance?

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" --- Charles Schultz

by Lanuters on Nov 30, 2011 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

I've looked into plans

But never bought into them. My friend and I buy half-price Monday tickets and usually make it to 5-15 games a year. This year it looks like there might be 7 half-price Mondays (unless they do away with that this year…) so it will work out for us. We splurge on a Cubs ticket if we feel like it. We end up spending roughly $150 each in tickets. Not bad if you ask me.

by bradleyjp on Nov 30, 2011 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

they also have a pick 7 plan this year.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 30, 2011 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

deets

game 1. opening day or cubs
2. april (- opener)
3. may
4. june (-cubs)
5. july
6. august
7. september

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 30, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

?

Do you have a link to this?

by hiphopnerd on Nov 30, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

i think you can also find it

by googling ‘the owens plan’.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

its called the pick 7 plan

Looks like there isn’t a link but I have a hard copy in my hand.

I’ll scan it and post it up.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 30, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I’ve had an Ozzie Plan for years (since 2005 at least…and wasn’t there something called the Minnie Plan before that?), but can’t see myself ponying up for the 14-gamer for many of the same reasons as James. The two ridiculously overpriced Cubs games thing is criminal. And with all the discounts that have floated around the past two years, I have no doubt it would have been cheaper for me to just buy my tickets during the season.

That said, 7 games could be a good compromise. When a ticket rep called me, he just asked if I was interested in upgrading (uh, no) and then launched into info about the Pick 14 Plan…no mention of any 7 game option.

by hiphopnerd on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Given the way tickets on the secondary market were last year, there is no way I would buy a plan.

The start of the season (when the weather was still crappy) and the end of the season (well, you know), I was able to get tickets right around section 132 for less than face value many times. Throw in some last minute Sox promotions, and I think I ended up paying face value for like 5 games, the rest being greatly reduced. Didn’t sit in the 500 level once, while going to more game than I ever have. I know it was during weekdays last year, but come on, even the Sox-Cubs series didn’t sell out. No way I would consider a ticket package for this year.

by South Side Expat on Nov 30, 2011 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

the last 2 seasons were like that

also, if you pay attention to the desperation in the emails you can pretty much figure out when they release the remaining tickets for opening day and the cubs series for single game purchases.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 30, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Weekend Plan

I’ve had the weekend plan for years and for 2012 my seats went down ~5%. So I’m a happy camper.

by soxfan50 on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

And we get fun trinkets and googaws in the mail.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I have never personally owned a plan

and the ticket department still sends me doodads.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 30, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel like every time I return to Plainfield, there is at least one new something on the desk in my room.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

cowley on twitter
cst_Cowley cst_Cowley
….but the fight that almost happened that hasn’t been talked about? Rios and KW. That one would have been fun.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

huh?

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowley's Twitter is like the Bleacher Report of Twitter.

It might be right every now and then, but the majority of it will just make you dumber.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

you tend to believe that don cooper is judas?

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I've gotten into shouting matches before

Didn’t mean I was about to fight. You know my feelings on Cowley. I don’t think he’s often right. He likes to exaggerate.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

and it probably wasn't even a "shouting match"

whatever that means. i’m sure, at some point, KW told rios that he was playing like shit. and i’m sure rios, like most employees when their boss criticizes them, wasn’t enthused by it. i guess hundreds of millions of employees have almost gotten into a fight with their bosses.

by larry on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

come on larry this is professional sports

it wouldn’t be unheard of if Kenny told Rios he’s shit and rios to get up and tell him to fuck himself leading to a heated exchange

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

like it wouldn't be unheard of that rios

gave the finger to some heckling fans

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

no, no.

you mean rios almost got into a fight with some heckling fans.

by larry on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

this.

I have a different take on the almost fight. Kenny comes down, says “where is that overpaid, lazy, no-good bum of a CF that dresses like a GD latino porn star”? then Rios peaks his head out from his locker, raises his hand, says “hey, jackass, where’s my check?!” and rubs his two index fingers and thumb together.

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

this.

I have a different take on the almost fight. Kenny comes down, says “where is that overpaid, lazy, no-good bum of a CF that dresses like a GD latino porn star”? then Rios peaks his head out from his locker, raises his hand, says “hey, jackass, where’s my check?!” and rubs his two index fingers and thumb together.

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He takes a lot of balls to the head?

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 30, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Says some true things, whores self out for attention, disliked by his peers.

Not a horrible comp.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

this sounds about right.
“I’ve never managed without a designated hitter, but I’ll get used to it. I don’t like the DH. I have a bulldog and named him DH because he is so lazy. He just sits there, eats and sleeps.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-plenty-of-bark-in-guillens-espn-interview-20111130,0,6304594.story

by larry on Nov 30, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

what about pooping? doesn't he have to poop too, ozzie?

dumbass.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't wait to see Mike Stanton drop a sac bunt.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll have a go

Ozzie was being forced to make nice with the DH but he didn’t fucking wanna! So now he is in the NL where he don’t gotta!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that was funny.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 30, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

that would be droll as hell

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

what an idiot

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

ugod's plan foiled.

david dejesus is a cub

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

per rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
#Cubs reach agreement with David DeJesus. Will be their everyday right fielder. #MLB

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Bollocks.

They did the same thing the year I wanted Byrd.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Did he go for more than you thought?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

He got an extra year, but the price was right.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

next year act like you want someone terrible.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Nov 30, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

and you call me the Cub fan.

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You showed as all your "Mrs. Yellon" tramp stamp.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

fangraphs and tht dig it

difficult to criticize

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by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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