Hawk Harrelson: Psychic
by Jim Margalus on Nov 6, 2011 11:47 AM CST
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From his home in Orlando, Hawk Harrelson gave Scot Gregor a number of strong opinions on a number of various topics, including a boast about his sixth sense:
I said, ‘I'll tell you what I think they're going to do. This club has got a chance to be the most talented ballclub that you and I have ever been associated with.' And I said, ‘I don't think it's going to get it done.'
She said, ‘What? Why?' And I said, ‘I'll tell you why. Last year (2010) we had a lot of talent on this club and we had a bad spring. We were flat coming out of spring training and we stayed flat all year long.'
I said, ‘This year it's the same thing. We are flatter coming out of spring than we were last year, and I don't see us coming out of it.' And dad-gum it, I was right. We were flat and as the season went on, we got flatter.
This leads me to two questions.
1) Can a "talented ballclub" remain flat for an entire season -- and supposedly give signs that they were going to be flat before flatting it up -- and still be called a "talented ballclub?"
2) If so, isn't that an indictment of the team's leadership? I guess Harrelson scratches the surface by saying "Ozzie was just not Ozzie the last couple of years."
If this is bumming you out, worry not -- Harrelson has a surprise for you.
Q: What are your thoughts on Adam Dunn?
A: I think he's going to give us two shocks. One shock was in 2011 and the next shock is going to be in 2012. I think he's going to come back and have a (heck) of a year. The last day of the season, we talked for a little bit and after that conversation I told my wife, she asked me: ‘Do you think he can come back?'
I said, ‘Honey, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll bet you a dozen golf balls right now Adam's the Comeback Player of the Year. You could read it in his eyes. It was just like reading a book through his eyes ... ‘I will be back, I will be back, I will be back.'
Harrelson, the man who predicted the Sox would disappoint in 2011 but didn't warn anybody who could've changed things, is now thankfully alerting us to future events. Adam Dunn, Comeback Player of the Year in 2012. Book it.
Personally, I would have picked a sounder case to staple my reputation to, but Hawk wouldn't be the Hawk if he played it safe.
(Either that, or Dunn would qualify for Comeback Player of the Year by hitting .180 with 19 homers. Proceed with caution regardless.)
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i'm worried about the hawk.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Here is my prediction: i will cease to dislike hawk in 2012
Because I will never again hear him speak. I have purged announcers with a 5.1 with an unplugged center speaker. No more Hawk. My brother told me I will miss him, I won’t. Also I predict Hawk is full of shit at all times.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I only hear him half the time due to Extra Innings.
Which I think is good for my health. Hawk makes some games better, but other times…
For instance, whenever the Sox play Kansas City, I’d much rather have KC’s feed. They’re not great broadcasters, but they’re straightforward and dependable, and more significantly, they don’t have massive crushes on the opposition.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Nov 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
they don’t have massive crushes on the opposition.
i always thought dj was much worse when it came to this.
by obnoxious american on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
the yankee ones should just be shot
every time I listen to them they get at least one name on the other team wrong, and often its more.
NAOPOS
You're mixing their radio and TV crews
and although Kay is definitely a bit of a blowhard, the Yankee production itself is absolutely top class. Further, David Cone is really, really good. Quality mix of saber understanding and former player anecdotes.
Cone is good
But I think Ken Singleton is my favorite of the analysts.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ick. I find the KC guys to be one of the most dull, vanilla pairing in all of baseball
(then again, in contrast to Hawk, dull and vanilla might be the appeal.)
Exactly.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Nov 6, 2011 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The KC guys I listened to last year were kinda blah.
But as said below, Detroit is baaaaaaaad.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 6, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I never have to hear another announcer again
I can’t wait for next season. It is going to be more relaxing. Hawk can raise my bloodpressure when nothing at all is happening.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Two words: the deck. Listening to a tv game is as stupid as listening to sports radio.
If by now you need someone to describe what you’re seeing…
Otoh, radio can be necessary and valuable in painting a picture of field activity.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
I'll be damned but Hawk made an interesting point about managers.
His comment about “would you rather have a first pitch to last pitch manager, or a between the games manager?” made some sense. I mean, if TLR can win a championship despite MATCHUPSLOL then perhaps there’s something to be said about the power of leadership.
Really?
Last season I was convinced the most important part was having the cojones to sit Alex Rios during the game.
Shut the fuck up already, Hawk.
Enough.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 6, 2011 7:17 PM CST reply actions
you need to take a break from the site.
everything is fuck this fuck that theo this theo that… go post on BCB for awhile til you come back to your senses.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
If you don't like what I post, don't comment on it.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
an impressively stand-offish response to being called out on being stand-offish.
by craigws on Nov 7, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Look, I get it. I'm an asshole who is hyperbolic and curses too much.
KenWo loves Hawk, I don’t.
I don’t think Pedro Martinez should be in the Hall of Fame, most people here disagree.
I think picking up Frasor option was stupid and a misuse of resources, like most here do.
Yes, I have the audacity to think the Cubs made a series of really good front-offices moves and will benefit from it while believing our front office is stuck in neutral (or worse). I don’t hate the Cubs, in fact, I’m fairly ‘meh’ about them. I tend to hate teams in our division that actually cause us to lose.
I posted a meant-to-be-amusing question about BueHrle that was misread and had a(n admittedly egregious) type-o.
Big deal. It’s fairly easy to ignore or skip over comments you don’t like or don’t feel like responding to.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
That time of the month?
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Been away for awhile
You don’t think Pedro should be in the hall of fame?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
In short, I'm very skeptical about *ANY* player over the last 20 years
with really good numbers. Absolutely, there is no concrete proof that Pedro was on steroids.
As I said at the time this first came up, the HoF is subjective. I think that pitchers who go should have at least a decade of dominance. Pedro falls short because his body betrayed him, either of natural causes or not.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Frank Thomas and Greg Maddux are as close as I get to, "No way he was on steroids" territory, for the record.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
it’s good to know that you base candidacy on totally subjective feelings instead of objective statistics.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not totally, that's not fair.
Pedro’s got the number, but in my opinion, I question how he got them.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Less than I question any other hitter I've ever seen, yes.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Frank's numbers also follow an established
historical context with regard to a period of dominance and decline. He gets subjective bonus points from me for his advocating for testing and talking to Mitchell. Also, his injury history is more in line with being a huge dude and not a science project. Look, Pedro will be in the Hall, I don’t deny or fight that. On the first ballot too, I’d guess. But I have questions. I have questions about every player I’ve ever seen. If I had a vote, I wouldn’t vote for Pedro. But I don’t, so it really doesn’t matter.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't see how one can not vote for someone solely because of the era he played in
So you wouldn’t vote for anyone that played within the past 25 years except Maddux and Thomas?
Thomas came up right during the time steroids were becoming more and more common around the leagues. To completely clear him of suspicion simply because he played for your favorite team, was your childhood idol, and was a big dude, makes less sense than not voting in Pedro simply because he played in the era.
Furthermore, above you first said that you wanted pitchers to have a decade of dominance. Later you said he has the numbers. Which is it?
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
No, I didn't say Thomas and Maddux were the only ones I would vote in.
I said I have questions about any player with great numbers, regardless of the team they played for. With Frank and Maddux, I question them less because of the way in which their numbers progressed/declined and how their bodies aged.
I never said I wouldn’t put someone in just because of the era he played in, but the era he played in certainly makes me ask questions about how those numbers were attained.
As I also said, the baseball HoF isn’t just a numbers exercise. It takes a number of things into account, both tangible and not.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Who else passes your sniff test, Oh Wise One?
If not Pedro, who else?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Pitchers or hitters?
Rivera, Maddux, Johnson, Hoffman, Smotlz and Glavine.
Thomas, Thome, Griffey, Jeter.
Those are just off the top of my head though.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Trevor Hoffman over Pedro?
Tom Glavine over Pedro? Over Koufax?
Sigh.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
The flak over Koufax is legit and earned.
But I’d take more flak if I flip-flopped and said he could be in but not Pedro. I think starting pitchers in the Hall of Fame should have over a decade of dominance.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
What is your definition for dominance?
Because I’m not seeing 10 years worth of dominance out of Glavine.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
fwar has Pedro at 10 consecutive years of at least 5.2 WAR.
That, combined with the fact he had 4 seasons good enough to be considered MVP-worthy, 3 of which he won a Cy Young for, should be considered a decade of dominance, right?
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I really wonder what Hoffman's vote % will be.
Saved a ton of games, but he blew a disproportionally high amount of high-profile saves. Small sample, of course, but I’d hold guys who pitch one inning at a time to a much higher standard.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
This.
Are saves not the most overrated stat?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Hey, thanks for corroborating.
See below. 3:39 PM. ;)
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Perhaps I'm not at all understanding what you're trying to say.
Or perhaps you’re modifying your argument as you go along so it leaks less water. I don’t know.
Now you’re saying you wouldn’t ever not vote someone in just because of the era he played in, but that’s exactly what you’re doing with Pedro, aren’t you? Because he has the numbers. He stacks up there. He’s never been caught using steroids, never failed a test, and never rumored (as far as I know?) to have used in any published report or testimony.
And how is it in Pedro’s case that throwing that many pitches and innings, as hard as he threw, (from such a small frame no less!) that his breakdown towards the end is more indicative of steroids use than those factors I just listed?
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Part of my suspision of Pedro specifically
is his frame/ability to throw that hard.
What I’m saying is because of the era Pedro pitched in, because of who teammates of his were when he played in Boston, because of his injury history is am more skeptical of his numbers than I am others. I remain skeptical (to vary degrees) with all numbers from the Steroid Era. I am less skeptical of Frank and Greg than I am others.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Jeez.
So you’re skeptical enough to not vote in any player in the past 25 years, no matter how good, who got injured towards the end of his career and played on a team with cheaters.
Such parameters you have set.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, no.
Never anywhere did I say, “I’m not voting in anyone who played baseball over the last 25 years!” Pedro has the numbers. I question how he got them. The baseball HoF isn’t just about numbers, as I’ve repeatedly said. Barry Bonds has HoF numbers. So does Palmeiro and Clemens. Do you think they should be in Cooperstown?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Odd that you compare Pedro to Bonds, Palmeiro and Clemens?
And not, I don’t know, Ripken, Gwynn, Dawson, Roberto Alomar, etc.
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I find it odd that anyone would compare a pitcher to a positional player
If anything, in looking at Pedro’s numbers, I would guess that he wasn’t on roids. Roids don’t give a pitcher more movement and probably don’t do much for his MPH. It would probably just help a pitcher recover better.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
It's not all about numbers.
Else Pete Rose would be in there too. No one here is arguing that it’s solely about numbers. You want to compare Pedro to Bonds, Palmeiro, and Clemens who have all either lied to Congress about their use, tested positive for use, or been fingered by multiple sources to have used.
First you said that Pedro’s injury history makes you suspicious that he used steroids and that’s a subjective issue. Then you said he doesn’t have the kind of dominance you want from a pitcher. That’s a numbers issue.
You have since then admitted that he has the numbers. That leaves your subjective issue being the only reason you want to keep him out of the Hall. Why don’t you just come out and admit it that you think Pedro used steroids and that is why you wouldn’t vote him into the Hall?
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think the totality of my posts says I think he was on steroids and shouldn't be in the Hall because of it.
And I should have clarified – Pedro has the numbers (strikeouts, whip, etc), but for me, I like HoF pitchers to have the 10 year thing.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Alright.
Now I officially regret logging onto the site today.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
what kind of evidence there is
that says Pedro took steroids? Guilt by association? He pitched alot of innings and had a strange release that may cause trauma on an elbow or shoulder. I think his decline looks pretty typical for such a pitcher. Steroids didn’t give him the movement he had on the ball.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Wow 2nd. Had to actually work for a bit.
This is a pretty bad argument. I won’t even grant you the totality of your posts. This is clearly a case of you just don’t like Pedro. Its so for beyond unreasonableness to say just because a player was “great” that means they were on steroids devoid of even the slightest hint of rumor or statistical red flags.
Why not just say Michael Jordan was on steroids?
Pedro’s accomplishments in his prime destroy any numbers arguments. He also had perhaps the greatest single regular pitching season EVER. Him doing this in the steroid ERA enhances his case not hurts it.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Im not dismissing your longevity
requirements either. There can be some merit with it. Indeed Pedro’s HOF scores are not as high as some because he basically fizzled out at 31. But that’s his beauty. This tiny guy literally gave “everything” his frame allowed and what it produced was quite frequently beautiful.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Okay Joker you know what the hell I meant
At 32 his last year with the BoSox he was a very different pitcher.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Ahh...what? ...huh?....
Drink …that is my mentoring advise to whoever needs it….
….no seriously, I need to read first all this thread first. I will do that later after work.
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Nov 7, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
How can Rivera keep healthy at age 40+?
With one pitch? Really? And he is not “suspect”. Your argument is goofy. So,e guys are freaks of nature. The name Lincecum ring a bell? Chrissakes.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Pedro's decline was pretty normal looking
If you take into account injuries, his WAR/IP declines very smoothly.
His total WAR/year dropped pretty quickly because of decreased playing time on top of decreased ability
From Fangraphs
Starting in 2005, his last of 10 years with over 5 WAR when he was 34 years old
2005: 217 IP, 5.9 WAR, 5.43 WAR/200 IP
2006: 132.2 IP, 2.1 WAR, 3.16WAR/200 IP
Then he got hurt a bunch but if you combine his 2007-2009:
181.2 IP, 1.8 WAR, 1.98 WAR/200 IP
how many other hitters fit this description?
Thomas is different. He did work out. He did look like the football player he was at Auburn. He’s on the Fair Play List by force — he has been on the PED front lines ever since he got into the big leagues. Even in the early 1990s, he expressed surprise that there was no testing in Major League Baseball. He is on record calling for testing as early as 1995. He has been quoted many times either saying or hinting that other players were taking short cuts that he refused to take. He gave video testimony before Congress. He was the only active player who willingly spoke with George Mitchell. If we want to believe that Griffey is the Willie Mays of the steroid era — rarely saying anything controversial but hoping to make his case with his brilliant play — then Thomas is the Jackie Robinson, outspoken, raw, controversial and proud of his high standards.
Love Pos.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Because no baseball player has ever lied in front of Congress.
Look, I admired the guy too. He’s my favorite WS player I’ve ever seen play. But to clear him of use at any point in his career any more than the next guy says that there is some subjectivity.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
frank had his history before the others lied.
a nice comment from that article:
‘If he used steroids, it was one hell of an act.’
This is especially true since Thomas, during his Chicago years, was famous for saying things in the worst way possible. It didn’t take much effort to twist quotes into a reflection of his alleged selfishness.
So not only would he have had to stick his neck out there and demand testing when he was using all along, but it would require a sense of awareness that was almost foreign to him during the first three-fourths of his career.
And if that’s the case, he should be in the Hall for being so GD brilliant.
and no where did I say I admire or even like him.
The argument I’m making can be made by his worst enemy.
I see what you're saying Troop.
I’m saying that I can’t objectively make the argument that Frank Thomas is less likely to have used than say, Jim Thome.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Look at Thome when he first came up.
A lot smaller. Frank always was BIG. Dave Parker/Boog Powell big.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
They both got bigger.
Frank is also 2" taller and depending on your source, weighed 25 lbs more.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
also, what likely happened
is that Thome didn’t start a weight training program until much later whereas Thomas was pumping iron every day while playing two sports for Auburn.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying,
Thome’s physical appearance changed more dramatically than Frank’s.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
He played football for Auburn.
Thome played baseball for Illinois Central College.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
How so?
I’m not saying either did it. But if someone said he Thome had a dramatic body change during the steroid era, I couldn’t disagree. Thomas on the other hand, I could
Alright.
I won’t disagree that Thome increased his size more than Thomas. I disagree that one can reasonably infer from that Thome was more likely to have done steroids.
First, Thomas was working out to play football at an SEC school. Thome was playing baseball at a community college. I’m inferring that there was drastically different training regimens between the two players. I’m also inferring that the jump in training regimen to the majors was greater for Thome than it was for Thomas.
Secondly, not all men are done growing at age 20. Variation exists. It’s anatomically plausible Thome hadn’t filled out as much as Thomas had.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Thome clearly took steroids
how else would he have hit 600+ HR’s during the steroid era?
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Griffey clearly did not because I like him
I clearly think all Latin American players took steroids because it is easier to get them in 3rd world countries and they have more to lose if they don’t take steroids.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Yeah.
I refuse to go to battle any more on this topic.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He looks a little like Ducky Schofield..
Good field, no hit.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
Thome hasn't pro-tested anything in his lifwe.
Why are you talking funny?
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
I cannot type.
Goddamn it.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
holy shit. 'a rec there'
it’s contagious.
by Trooper on Nov 7, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It seems like most people want to believe their favorite players never took steroids.
“I liked him as a player so that leads me to believe he never took performance enhancers.”
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
You are my favorite recruiter
and I know you took steroids. So your argument is broken.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Nov 7, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not me. I love frank. i love jose canseco. i love albert belle.
i could give 2 shits if any of them took steroids. doesn’t change how i feel about them.
though i’m glad frank has been outspoken against steroids for a long long time because it is going to enhance his hall vote.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
No Sandy Koufax in the HoF for you?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
After looking at his numbers, I can't really say yes to one and no to the other can I?
So, I’ll be consistent and say no. But, there’s no doubt they both put together two of the most dominant starting pitcher performance runs in baseball history.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 7, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
You are an interesting dude.
However, you are not interesting enough to take seriously if you think neither Pedro and Koufax are not Hall-worthy.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
"nor".
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
At least he's consistent with it.
(Not saying you aren’t).
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I don't think there is any fucking way you can "curse too much" on this site
And I doubt Dunn’s numbers are on the account of juicing. He never had a massive jump in homers. The fact that his numbers have been consistent and steady actually points to the opposite.
Plus, lots of these guys are still on HGH anyways, which is pretty damn close to juicing.
I love the Hawk. White Sox games are going to suck when you have any random white dude in a polo calling games.
give me the nut case.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 6, 2011 7:59 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Or you're gonna have some dickhead with a light pen circling random dopes in the crowd.
Insanity +1
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
Yes it always finds the hands of the most deserving fan
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I get worried about myself whenever I agree with you.
Hawk is a little nutty, yes, but he’s White Sox family. I may often disagree with what he says and wish he’d keep his mouth shut about things, but he’s family dammit. So what if he’s the racist grandpa who still distrusts Germans (no offense WU)? He’s more than a little crazy and usually frustrating but boy will we miss him when he’s gone. White Sox baseball just doesn’t feel right without him. You shouldn’t have to look much further than fans of all ages shouting “STRETCH!” at long flies and “He gone!”-ing batters at games.
Plus he had the foresight to fire LaRussa, so we owe him at least a little bit of credit.
by mechanical turk on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i usually describe him with crazy uncle
however, i do like racist grandpa distrusting the germans. i don’t want to get rid of him as he still reminds me of my childhood and nostalgia and all that crap
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
Its okay to like Hawk
Sure he says dumb things sometimes, but all in all I like the guy. Plus, I love how he pisses off Cubs and Twins fans.
I agree with Kenwo
As the night games start at 2am here, I only get to see/hear the day games, or the Friday/Saturday nights the bar kicks me out at 2am. So maybe it’s only hearing Hawk once or twice a week, but it’s so much more fun than some vanilla announcer. “Get back! Stretch! It won’t. DADGUMMIT!”. Priceless.
by ParisSox on Nov 7, 2011 12:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Flagged. Cuz Hawk is unlistenable and you're wrong.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Hawk is fun to listen to in "winning times"
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Nope. Hawk is unlistenable. And even if you're right, it means he's sucked for 3 years now.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
For me that's the real issue
I was laughing and loving him when the team was good. Lately Ozzie and the team drove him completely over the cliff.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Another Hawk diss.
Yawn. He is the least of our issues. You don’t like him? Do a Rhoobie. Let’s discuss the merits of his pick to click. GW Bush thought he knew what was in Putin’s heart, too…
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
the Pick to Clicks are so rigged
I’m pretty sure Hawk picks the winner so he just picks himself all the time.
NAOPOS
I agree, Williams should be traded.
“Trade Quentin
Carlos Quentin has been a good player with the White Sox. His injury troubles over the last few years have been troubling. He hasn’t been the dependable player which the Sox need.
Williams should be traded to obtain a lead-off man to replace free agent Juan Pierre."
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 8:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think this Tuika dude messed up the names.
What Williams needs to do to keep his job??? I have no opinion here because I don’t want him to keep his job.
I do agree with this piece:
The White Sox need to trade Alex Rios. It will be hard to move his $12.5 million salary but if Kenny makes this move, and the Sox eat half the contract, it could work out. Rios stole a check last year batting .227, with 13 HRs and 44 RBIs. The money saved from trading Rios could give the Sox some leverage in the Buehrle contract negotiations. It will also free up an outfield slot, allowing the Sox to utilize Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo. De Aza and Viciedo looked great last year when they got their chance.
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by JofpGallagher on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
would be kinda surprised if any team wanted to give Alex Rios $20 million when he's coming off a year as one of the worst players in the majors
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
The same math that got Alex Rios his contract also destroyed the housing market.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
Flagged for linking to Bleacher Report.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
Hey, this website linked to there first
That’s how I stumbled across it.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 7, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
One of my favorite fake twitter accounts
SLIDSHOW: top 20 hihg Skool dropoots now righting at bleecher report
veryfakeBR Fake Bleacher Report
whut was the top game changimg moment in tonite’s game?
http://twitter.com/#!/veryfakeBR
by 815Sox on Nov 10, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hawk drives me nuts most times.
However, my two year old daughter, toward the end of the season, was randomly saying “Put it on the board, YES!”
And it was pretty cute.
So…. there’s that.
my 2 yr old boy says it when he sees the Sox logo, also really cute.
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Nov 8, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
when is the arranged marriage?
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hawk is all in.
A dozen golf balls.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
I have been reading the threads here for at least a few years now, maybe longer…mostly because a lot of you really know your baseball and I get more information out of the various debates/discussions happening here than I do from the people actually getting
paid to write about baseball. With that said, I notice a hell of a lot of dissatisfaction with Hawk around here, and I just don’t understand it…I’ve been a Sox fan as long as I can remember and as long as I can remember, it’s been Hawk calling the games. He is the Vin Scully of the Sox, like him or not. No, he isn’t as articulate, not anywhere near it…but he is the voice of the Sox. I love Steve Stone, but without Hawk’s penchant for shooting from the hip, Stone’s astute observations would just be dry and flat. And when they discuss their history in the game, it is usually more entertaining than the team on the field, at least during the past couple of seasons unfortunately. They both have real experience, real stories to share, which more than makes up for what they might lack in modern day analysis. Great broadcasting team as far as I am concerned. As for Pedro, you just have to figure most of the players during the “steroid era” were enhanced players, including lesser known, less accomplished athletes most of us would never remember. Take that for what it’s worth. Since there is only one player most people seem to agree didn’t abuse (Big Hurt), it seems a level playing field for all, no? At any rate yea, Pedro’s numbers are HoF worthy IMHO. Old topic I know, my apologies.
by ChiCitySox on Nov 13, 2011 3:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
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