Reading Room: The Tilt-a-Buehrle picks up speed
And if you're prone to motion sickness, this ain't gonna be easy.
The Florida/Miami Marlins gave Mark Buehrle a grand tour of their new ballpark as they court big-name free agents to complement the publicly financed grandeur, and they have friends. Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees, Red Sox and Rangers are also considering Buehrle, making four teams who aren't afraid to open their wallets.
Buster Olney had some more encouraging news:
It makes sense for the Yankees -- and the Red Sox, for that matter -- to shy away from his services, since Buehrle's track record against the best of the AL East isn't much to write home about.
| Team | W | L | G | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Baltimore Orioles | 7 | 5 | 2.83 | 18 | 114.2 | 111 | 11 | 25 | 64 | 1.186 |
| Boston Red Sox | 6 | 6 | 4.49 | 17 | 106.1 | 129 | 11 | 32 | 57 | 1.514 |
| New York Yankees | 1 | 8 | 6.38 | 12 | 67.2 | 97 | 10 | 17 | 38 | 1.685 |
| Tampa Bay Rays | 8 | 3 | 4.19 | 18 | 96.2 | 104 | 7 | 17 | 62 | 1.252 |
| Toronto Blue Jays | 6 | 4 | 2.64 | 16 | 112.2 | 100 | 6 | 26 | 76 | 1.118 |
Texas makes more sense, but then again, Buehrle is 15-24 lifetime against the non-Texas AL West teams. That includes his very unlikely 6-13 mark against Oakland, when he often found himself on the wrong end of pitching duels with Mark Mulder and his friends.
In any event, this kinda sucks.

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As I zoom through links after a late night at work for Election Day...
- Buehrle's value, odds of departure on rise - ESPN Chicago
- Buehrle breakdown: Will he stay or will he go? - whitesox.com
- Sox Drawer: On the Buehrle beat - CSNChicago.com
- Buehrle Meeting With The Marlins - South Side Asylum
A rundown of the reads contained herein: Doug Padilla is growing increasingly pessimistic that it'll be the White sSox, Chuck Garfien thinks the ball will be in the White Sox's court in the end, Scott Merkin believes the Sox will be the only American League team in the running, and Fornelli isn't taking the Marlins seriously.
- Sox re-sign McPherson - chicagotribune.com
- Organizational meetings on tap for Tuesday and Wednesday - chicagotribune.com
At the bottom of the second link, Mark Gonzales notes that the Sox are close to bringing back Brian Bruney on a minor-league deal. That surprises me a little, since Bruney had a rather unceremonious DFA shortly after getting ejected in a blowout that he was supposed to finish up. In any event, this would save me from writing two eulogies in White Sox Outsider 2012.
James wonders whether trading Carlos Quentin at this time would really be worth it.
Jonah Keri notes that after adding Derek Lowe to a rotation that includes Justin Masterson and Fausto Carmona, the Indians might have one of the most groundballingest staffs in history. He does cede that some of Tommy John's crews might've been just as sinker-oriented, but no batted-ball data existed back then. Hopefully the Indians can make the same mistake the White Sox did when John pitched for them. All they need to do is back their pitchers with a slow-footed defense, then install an AstroTurf infield for no good reason.
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Buehrls is going nowhere if we want him.
Sign this man. Same hand-wringing re: cost/benefit when we negotiated with Paulie. No complaints now, are there. Won’t be with MB, either.
Sign this man.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2011 6:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I want him here, but
Is he really worth any price? Sign this man… to the right deal.
by bevingtonsTallBoy on Nov 9, 2011 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
In these uncertain times it's a relief to know that Struts will be coming back
White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.
They have to resign Buerhle
Who do they have to replace him? I’m not confident at all looking at whose under contract
They'll still have Danks, Floyd, Humber, Peavy, and Sale.
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Ok
Peavy has not been all that good since his latest injury
Floyd seems like he has fallen off the face of the earth.
I would still ike to see more out of Humber before I’m convinced.
Danks needs to step it up next season.
Not looking good IMO
well
1. he hasn’t been exactly bad either.
2. no
3. yes
4. really?
by obnoxious american on Nov 9, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Did your father Marc B Jr the I raise you to make such nonsensical comments?
His father Marc B Sr the III must be spinning in his grave
by joewho112 on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd like to re-sign Buehrle too...
but this idea that the rotation will fall apart without him is ridiculous. Floyd and Danks, while they haven’t taken the next step we’ve all be hoping for, are more than serviceable. Sale, despite the fact that he will probably struggle a bit next year and needs to be on an inning limit, needs to be given a spot in the rotation sooner rather than later. Humber, while he’s not an ace, should be fine as a back of the rotation innings-eater. Obviously no one expects Peavy to make it through the hole season, but some combination of Axelrod/Doyle should be good for about 80-100 innings in an emergency.
Sorry, they’re not the Phillies. Don’t expect 4 Cy Youngs in the rotation next year.
Why couldn't Peavy make it through a whole season?
He is probably conditioning and getting stronger as we speak and he will be almost two years removed from the surgery. I’m not saying he will be Cy Young caliber but I don’t see why he couldn’t make it through a ‘whole’ season let alone a ‘hole’ season (which next year will probably be) since he seemed to have resolved the issues he had.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
They probably won't and they shouldn't if his price gets driven up as high as it looks like it is going too
I don’t expect him to take a massive hometown discount, he is in his final years of his career. He most likely is going to want to make as much money as possible so that he, his kids, his kids kids, his kids kids kids are set for life.
This is generational wealth these guys are making..
The Tilt-A-Buehrle. Nice.
Anyone think the Sox could do something like 2/32? Gives Buehrle a nice chunk of cash, doesn’t tie him or the Sox down for that long, and if he’s still pitching well, he would probably fit better in St. Louis then.
by South Side Expat on Nov 9, 2011 8:17 AM CST reply actions
2 for 32
I think that would definitely get it done, but the sketchy rumors about a sox offer before free agency hit had the whitesox ponying up about 2 for 24 or something like that…. if these big spending teams are really involved the price is going up FAST
i'm ready to pull the plug on him to be honest with you.
16 mil a year? no thanks.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i'm ready to pull the plug on you!
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
sorry bro.
maybe if he goes 3/36. and thats pushing it very very hard.
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LIAR!!!!!!!!
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2011 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I love Buerhl’s but that’s a high price for a projected 12 win season.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
that projection does not match up at all with mine.
i project him to pitch 33 complete games and have an ERA of 1.00. i don’t have a projection for how many wins he will have though as that total depends on quite a few other things.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Nov 9, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
give him 20MIL for 10 then
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
I think the deal is more likely to be for more years than more cash.
My thought before all the hype was something like 2/$25MM, but it’s looking like that won’t happen. I think other teams would outbid that. So my response would be 4/$45MM, likely more years and more total cash than anyone else is willing to offer. Given Buehrle’s history and with my own personal thoughts about him clouding my judgement, four years doesn’t seem like too huge a number and the cash isn’t outrageous.
If all this rumor is based in reality in any way (and I’m not sure it is- the Yankees are interested because they’re the Yankees, the Red Sox are interested because the Yankees are interested, the Marlins are “interested” in every big name FA but until Loria opens that wallet I don’t believe a word of it- maybe Buehrle just has a great agent) then I expect he’ll see a few two or three year offers. For a guy his age four is going to scare some clubs, but there’s a better deal to be had if you take that risk.
by mechanical turk on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if he even wants to play that long though.
by South Side Expat on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
interestingly, a player can sign a contract for four years but still be free to decide to retire prior to the expiration of the contract.
i know the owners are still pissed off about that pesky thirteenth amendment.
by larry on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, yeah, clearly.
But why bother with the drama that might create? If Buehrle knows he just wants to throw two more, then sign that for a high figure.
by South Side Expat on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
the same drama arises from the "will he or won't he retire" media circuses.
what mark buehrle knows is that he will pitch until he isn’t a good pitcher anymore. the rest is just buehrlshit.
by larry on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he treats it the same way he treated the phantom spring injury questions
“I’m going to say what’s on my mind at this exact moment and see what they do with it.”
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by Jim Margalus on Nov 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Billy Wagner did it and that went smoothly. Just give the team plenty of notice so they can plan accordingly.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
See Meche, Gil.
The sun on the balcony is almost unbearable, worse than the booing fans in Chicago shedding miserable light on his failures at work.
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2011 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Beuhrle
Offer him a two year deal with deferred money. I want him to be a Chisox for life!! Listening Jerry???
no. they need to stop deferring or backloading contracts.
especially when we are talking about the glorious 2014 season when we get rid of rios and dunn.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We could get rid of Rios before the glorious 2014 season
That would be a super glorious 2012 or 2013
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by JofpGallagher on Nov 9, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
The least they can do is try food poisoning.
It’s a shitty situation any way you look at it, and when the going gets shitty, the shitty get going.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 9, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Backloading deals is not a bad thing
Just because we have two contracts that do not look good right now. You liked the Konerko signing didn’t you? Serious question, because I never know with you.
konerko's deal was fine. but you can't have too many deals like that.
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Thankfully Jerry and others do not sign players based on emotion
Not trying to be a jerk, but why does wanting him to be a “White Sox 4 lyfe” have anything to do with it.
Texas makes more sense, but then again, Buehrle is 15-24 lifetime against the non-Texas AL West teams. That includes his very unlikely 6-13 mark against Oakland, when he often found himself on the wrong end of pitching duels with Mark Mulder and his friends.
Any indication that this would be indicative of future performance? Or do you just think Texas would consider it, even if it wasn’t?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I just want Texas to consider it.
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by Jim Margalus on Nov 9, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ingenious plan by the Tribe
Pair a ground ball staff with a rather lousy defensive infield up the middle. Regardless of his “Gold Glove nomination” Asdrubal Cabrera’s range stinks, and Kipnis is there for his bat.
by Yinka Double Dare on Nov 9, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions
Theyre just setting us up for Punto's
triumphant return to the ALC
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Nov 9, 2011 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
updating my boy cespedes...
apparently every team is in on him except for the white sox. this better be stealth kenny working.
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Does either Alexei or Dayan know Cespedes?
I would think they could pull a “we’re getting the band back together” type pitch for him… Is he represented by Boras?
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
I don't know....maybe Dayan will warn him that it can take ages to be called up with the WhiteSox
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by JofpGallagher on Nov 9, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
no he is represented by adam katz i believe i read.
this guy is apparently in his mid 20s so i’m sure one of them knows him if not both.
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Nice touch
The new Miami hat in the photo. God, that uniform is so ugly. This is what happens when you let focus groups and marketing folks make decisions by committee….
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
i don't get why they didn't keep their old logo. just make the marlin go around an M instead of an F
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Good take on the Quentin situation...
I would hope they don’t jump the gun just to get rid of him. Unfortunately, like the article says, they should have made that deal at the deadline last season. But of their three remaining options (trading him this offseason, trading him at the deadline or letting him walk for type B comp), they need to figure out which one will get them the best return and not just throw him away for Jeff Marquez, Jhonny Nunez and Wilson Betemit.
Unfortunately, like the article says, they should have made that deal at the deadline last season.
Well, the article says that would be the best thing to have done, given a time machine (i.e. hindsight). At the deadline, the Sox were only three games back from the division lead, so keeping Quentin made a lot of sense.
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I’d rather not rely on an oft injured peavy, phil humber with 1 really good half season after several terrible ones, and a first time starter in sale in lieu of buehrle…plus i named my dog after him and i certainly dont want my dog cheering for the marlins
You named your dog Mark?
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by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
haha buehrle
burly for the vet/spelling&reading purposes
...Wow. Hope everything turns out alright.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
It was bobpuller
But seriously that is not fucking cool
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i just read that story. not good. i pray for his safe return.
but they haven’t covered that on sportscenter because there are all of these fucking idiot students cheering of joe paterno.
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Venezuela is a dangerous place to live
Criminals know that some Venezuelan’s athletes earn big salaries in US dollars. They kidnap members of the family. Recent cases are the kidnap of Yorvit Torrealba’s 11 yr old son, and Henry Blanco’s brother who was unfortunately murdered later after complications in paying the ransom. Venezuelan’s baseball players have to spend small fortunes to protect their family in Venezuela. Many of them come from very poor “barrios”, and they are forced to move their entire families to a safer location. Some others that have small families opt to bring them over to the USA when possible. The problem sometimes, like in Yorvit’s son (mother) case is that not all of them adapt to the American’s life and want to come back to Venezuela…..Many years ago, Ozzie Guillen lost a dear friend, Gustavo Polidor when robbers tried to steal Gustavo’s car. They shot him and killed him. Gustavo and Ozzie have their numbers retired in the Tiburones de la Guaira team.
Every time I go to Venezuela, I never go out. I stayed in doors at family’s and/or friends houses. I don’t think I will ever be able to live over there again.
Let’s hope for a happy ending to this despicable actions
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by JofpGallagher on Nov 10, 2011 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
High Profile kidnapping is far from isolated to Venezula or even South America
as I am sure you know

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