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Reading Room: Buehrle departure graceful enough

From Magglio Ordonez to Jim Thome, the White Sox don't have the best track record of letting popular players go with grace.

But in the Post-Ozzie Guillen Era, the White Sox are 1-for-1. Mark Buehrle and the White Sox part ways without either side feeling slighted.

Even though Jerry Reinsdorf sort of got in his own way by pointing out that Buehrle "is not a Hall of Fame pitcher by any means" while attempting to lavish praise on Buehrle, he and Kenny Williams ultimately wished their stalwart lefty well. Apparently, the feelings are mutual. Chuck Garfien (who fared well on the Buehrle beat from start to finish) talked to Buehrle, and it was all warm and fuzzy:

"I think I’ll always be a Chicago White Sox no matter what happens from here on out," Buehrle said Sunday in an interview with Comcast SportsNet. "I kind of told some people, I said, ‘It’s just a 4-year break. I’ll be back before you know it.’ Maybe I’ll be playing, maybe just bugging people in the clubhouse, just coming through getting fat and drinking a beer, having fun and watching the game as a fan. It’s just a 4-year break, and I’ll be back before you know it." [...]

"I’m not going to sit here and say I’m going to retire after these 4 years, or that I’m looking for another 4-year contract, or a 1-year deal, because you know where that got me. If I’m feeling healthy in the end, I’ll come back and maybe play 1 more year and finish out in Chicago."

It's also funny to hear Buehrle acknowledge that he probably overdid it with the early retirement talk. But hey, new dads are awfully sentimental.

Star-divide

You can lump in Brooks Boyer with the rest of the White Sox organization, as they all appear unsure how to proceed into next season. They have cut some season-ticket prices (although the Pick 14 plan may not reflect real savings), and he has a slogan in mind, but as for the overall approach, Boyer told Mark Gonzales, "From Feburary to April, we'll have a good idea where we want to go."

After all the advertising talk, I thought Gonzales' last two paragraphs were the most interesting part:

The reason [for rebuilding] stems largely from a collection of underachieving performances that resulted in the Sox's third consecutive non-playoff season and a shortfall of 500,000 in projected 2011 home attendance that was needed to support a $127 million payroll.

Therefore, if any veteran requests a trade, it would behoove him to play to the level Williams, the organization and the fans anticipated last season, instead of staying in the abyss of mediocrity that put the Sox in this back-of-the-class situation.

If this pertains to the mystery veteran from last week, then my guess is still good.

Star-divide

Even though he's off the White Sox beat for Baseball America, Phil Rogers still gets attached to his crafty pitching prospects:

It's hard to argue that the Sox have enough minor league pitching depth to risk losing an overachiever like Terry Doyle for $50,000. The Twins landed the 26-year-old right-hander with the second pick in the Rule 5 draft and will give him a chance to win a job on their staff next season, possibly even in the rotation.

Somewhere, the ghosts of Lance Broadway and Heath Phillips stir.

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IMPOSSIBLE!!!

How did Dewayne Wise get all that PT? I know he saw Ozzie kill a drifter some night or something.

by ERM on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

To get an erection.

Ozzie has seen it all.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Two words

B.S. Another two words: Jim Thome

by ParisSox on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If the Sox were to trade John Danks to the Yankees...

What would be a fair return? Is Jesus Montero enough?

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

Montero

Sox have indicated that young pitching is their main interest.
Additionally,Montero seems to be in the Yankees own plans.

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't really like Montero.

He can hit, but he’s almost already a 1B/DH.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

A player that young without a position kind of worries me.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Hm.

The Royals have done well with Billy Butler. Montero isn’t Phegley bad though, I assume, so playing some C, 1B, and DH a bit like V-Mart would still provide some decent value. If the guy can hit well enough to be at least average then his age at becoming a DH doesn’t really matter, does it?

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

For a team that needs to use the DH spot on aging veterans, it does.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I was speaking more generally, as I thought you were.

but on the White Sox for 2012 and 2013, yeah I can see how that’d be a problem.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The Yankees are in an even worse boat.

Teixeria to go along with an aging Jeter and Rodriguez.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Banuelos and Betances names both come up

But both have had high WHIPs in the AA and AAA levels.

For the record, I’ve predicted Betances and Romine for Thornton and Danks.

by striker on Dec 12, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just coming on here to express the same thing about Betances and Banuelos

I am not too impressed with either pitcher by just looking at their stats in AA/AAA. Is this just another case of overrated Yankee prospects? It seems neither of them have any control. Then you look at MLBTR and in the comments all the Yankee fans call these two guys untouchable, especially for Danks. I am not all interested in Jesus Montero either.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 12, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

All Yankee prospects are the greatest since the invention of sliced bread.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

C.J. Retherford is going to be the ish one day

And you’re going to look like a fool.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

certainly not the white sox

unless you’re taking into consideration the fact that we all tend to hype up our fringe-type guys simply because there isn’t a single elite prospect ever in our system.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm guilty of it too.

but Viciedo, Beckham, Reed, Mitchell, Hudson, Sale all have gotten pretty big praise. Josh Fields, Tyler Flowers, Joe Borchard, Aaron Poreda and Clayton Richard have too.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yankee Prospects

I agree.
These two pitchers are highly regarded by others outside of the Yankee Organization.
I would guess that the Sox like one more than the other.

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

That's why I asked.

Without trying to stereotype, the vast majority of Yankees fans I’ve talked to always seem to talk up their prospects as though they are untouchable and future HOF’ers simply because of uniform they wear.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

A look back will reveal I wanted to move Beckham for AGone if it was legit.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

i honestly don't remember where i fell on that.

i usually am anti prospect… but i also believed the beckham savior hype. can’t remember.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

It was the White Sox's Bulls like moment

“We can’t trade Deng!”

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't there a lot of skepticism as to whether or not they could...

afford an extension with A-Gonz, and that’s where the hesitation came from with those trade talks?

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The WS offered Beckham and prospects.

http://twitter.com/#!/BNightengale/status/11888902755319808

it would’ve been a one year rental though considering how much Gonzalez ending up receiving from the Red Sox.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. And I think everyone knew that at the time.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a one year rental

with a chance to sign him or 2 draft picks. I said at the time I generally agree not worth it but when you can get a 6+ win player it should be case by case.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

At the time we still thought very highly of Gordon.

I was against it then. I also figured Beckham to be at least a 2 win player and if he went we’d have to fill his position as well. With whom, ya know?

Regardless, the WS made that offer and the Padres turned it down. Good for them.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

that was brutal.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 12, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

banuelos was 20 years old.

and in AAA. i’ll say it again: age for level, age for level, age for level.

betances is a reliever.

by larry on Dec 12, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgive my ignorance.

Age for level meaning what?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

meaning he's 20 years old in AAA.

that doesn’t happen very often. what does that tell you about the player?

by larry on Dec 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of off topic...

Who is the best minor leaguer in the Sox system?

I know Jared Mitchell was hurt and has disappointed, but who is our young guy other teams would be calling for if Kenny was trying to acquire a vet?

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope they don’t bring him up too early!

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

sarcastic?

he’ll probably make the Opening Day roster.

by WSO on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha

Yes, I assume he would be the closer or at least in the discussion when they traded Santos. Hopefully he will have a lot of opportunities to save games, but with the way the Sox typically start the year and the team they’re going to have I don’t know how much of a difference he will make.

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I would think that Crain or Thornton would probably have first dibs at the role

then again, I know absolutely nothing of Ventura’s managerial preferences.

by WSO on Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

larry list time! nice.

if we make trades will you amend the list later in the offseason?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes!

You’re the man Larry!

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Banuelos

Larry, it seems like this is the guy we really want.
Is it doable?

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 12, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

2012 White Sox Baseball: We Have Huge CoJones AND Are Just Stupid

That’s a winner.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 12, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Stupid?

We ask for two of three players.
Too much we are told.
I suggest one of those players and lower rated prospect and I am stupid.Romine is not their highest rated catching prospect nor their second highest rated catching prospect.He is their third
.Plus Martin in the majors is well positioned.
No I am not stupid and I gave you no reason for name calling.

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 12, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, if you're not stupid, then the other half of his conditional statement comes into play.

And I’m pretty sure that’s not an insult.

"The Sox have a better home record than the Twins, but...we're not at home right now." -DJ

by Joist on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You're not stupid

romine is probably a backup catcher, montero a dh/1b and sanchez too young…

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 13, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

YOU ARE NOT A BREEDER.

YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND!

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

i will sleep until 2016 then

SHOW GREG WALKER THE NEW EMPLOYEE ORIENTATION VIDEO!

by billyok on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

The new All-In
You can lump in Brooks Boyer with the rest of the White Sox organization, as they all appear unsure how to proceed into next season. They have cut some season-ticket prices (although the Pick 14 plan may not reflect real savings), and he has a slogan in mind, but as for the overall approach, Boyer told Mark Gonzales, “From Feburary to April, we’ll have a good idea where we want to go.”

“The 2012 White Sox: Kill It With Fire.”

by asinwreck on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

"Capable of Better" is a phrase Sickels used in reference to a bunch of our prospects

I think it’s applicable across the board. Bland, cautious and non-commital optimism seems like a good fit for this group.

by WSO on Dec 12, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

White Sox Baseball: We are all at fault here.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 12, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

mine

White Sox Baseball: 1/2 In
White Sox Baseball: The Comeback Team
White Sox Baseball: Beer and Hot Dogs Available

by striker on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

White Sox Baseball: Aw f*ck it...

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

2012 White Sox slogan

For the poker players on the board, I’ve been trying to promote 2012 as “Rebuy!” but with the current direction of the payroll perhaps something derivative of “Chip and a Chair” would work better.

by Kodachrome on Dec 12, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reply fial.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That kinda works too.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 12, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

are they expecting the money to start rolling in?

i would have thought front-loading them would have worked better for when their pitching staff along with the likes of stanton, coghlan and morrison get real expensive.
hanley is making 15, 15.5 and 16 over the next few years too.

by craigws on Dec 12, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

they will dump these guys like they dumped Delgado

…if there’s a market for them at those salaries. This way, the Marlins get shiny new free agents to open the new park without — they hope — being on the hook for the last couple years of the contracts.

It’s a plan that can work, as long as Buehrle and Reyes don’t get derailed by injuries first.

by asinwreck on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It's actually even worse.

That’s only $54MM when the contract is $58MM. Cot’s has the breakdown as 7, 12, 19, 20.

The 2015 Marlins almost have a higher payroll between two players than their entire 2010 roster.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

no. read the second sentence.

and cot’s is simply pro-rating over the contract.

by larry on Dec 12, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Mea culpa.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 12, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

Taxes are projected to go up a lot after the election. Surprised at this.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2011 7:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

To quote Joe Walsh (the singer, not the congressman)

He has accountants to pay for it all. I’m sure he has people who will tell him how to shelter his money.

The guy made tens of millions as a resident of Illinois…and he’s still rich. I think he’ll be all right in Florida.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

explain?

why are taxes (on the wealthy) thought to increase after the next election? doesn’t that depend entirely on who is elected?

Reply on the RRRR if you’d like.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

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