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Filling in the blanks on a piece about Danks

I like reading Joe Cowley articles because he's not for beginners.

Those who read him long enough know that he has his sources, and he goes to bat for them -- or against their enemies. And while there is some legitimate insight to be gleaned from what he writes, you have to work to filter out the slant.

In this case, he's been on a crusade against Don Cooper. Partially because Cooper supposedly went behind Cowley favorite Ozzie Guillen to get an extension, and also probably because he enjoys getting a rise out of Cooper and listening to him get all high-pitched, fast-talking and huffy. He doesn't need Cooper for stories, so he uses him for ratings.

But in order to paint Cooper in a really unfavorable light, he has to leave some things out. That's where it's fun for me, because I like to fill them in. So let's take today's column, where he talks to John Danks and also offers some information on the pitching staff's inner workings.

For starters, it's cause for caution when somebody writes about the White Sox's organizational disorganization in 2011 and doesn't mention the words "Ozzie" or "Guillen" once. But if you want to get specific, there are two other noteworthy omissions.

Star-divide

No. 1

Anonymous pitcher says: "They preach to us to act a certain way in a contract year, and you have a coach who couldn't lead by example. That rubbed a lot of us the wrong way."

But wait a second: The players also had a manager who, in back to back years, stated that he probably wouldn't even bother serving the last year of his contract. "I don't think I'll be back here for just a one-year contract and (not) know what to do the next year," Ozzie Guillen said on Aug. 30. He also had similar sentiments the year before. So what the players had was a coach who acted a different way in his contract year, working under a manager who threatened to take his ball and go home during his. That's healthy all the way around.

No. 2

Cowley writes: "Then there was the disintegrating relationship between Cooper and starter Jake Peavy when the veteran right-hander believed Cooper threw him under the bus in several interviews."

But wait a second: Remember the time last spring training where Guillen said Peavy convinced him that he could pitch in the spring outing that caused his setback? And then Peavy responded that Guillen had "complete control from the start," and that he didn't ask or beg his way back in? And remember how this was far from the first time it had happened?

I'm sure there are truths in there. I bet Cooper is on a different plane than the other White Sox coaches ... but because he gets results and he predates practically everybody but Herm Schneider. I bet Cooper and Jake Peavy had communication issues ... but everything I've read and heard Peavy say indicates that he's a high-maintenance guy who believes he's low-maintenance, and thus his very existence hinges on a disconnect that the entire White Sox staff has not been able to negotiate.

And I'm sure that John Danks is a little bothered that the Sox didn't protect Jordan Danks on the 40-man roster -- because it was foreseeable. And hey, he technically wrote a column that wasn't about Ozzie Guillen. So all in all, this article is truthy enough for Cowley to easily defend when somebody accuses him of printing lies or doing somebody's dirty work. He just leaves gaps big enough to drive a Paul Konerko triple through, if you follow the stories closely enough.

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so who's anonymous pitcher?

first guess would be Matt Thornton since he had quotes from him last week.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2011 1:55 AM CST reply actions  

This quote doesn't seem very Thorntonesque

Though he could be totally different off the record.

It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.

by SonOfCron on Dec 14, 2011 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

yup.

really only six options, considering the “good ol coop” reference: buehrle, danks, floyd, santos, sale and thornton. i doubt santos or sale would use that language. presumably danks wouldn’t be anonymous in a story where he’s quoted but perhaps. floyd would never say anything like that. buehrle seems quite unlikely to say that, too. and i disagree that it doesn’t sound like thornton.

by larry on Dec 14, 2011 2:08 AM CST up reply actions  

he's just a blank slate.

in any event, floyd may well owe his career to cooper. then again, thornton certainly does.

by larry on Dec 14, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps Danks didn't mind saying the other stuff

but wanted that remark in particular to be off the record.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You talk with a reporter these days,

assume nothing is off the record.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowley can't really afford to fuck over his main sources though, you know?

Soon no one would talk to him and he’d soon be entirely making up shit.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Get real.

Happens all the time. Things are different today.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

come on, wu.

it’s one thing to be cynical towards the news media, but can you think of many instances where a beat reporter printed something a player said to keep off the record? You say it happens all the time, so you must know more than a few.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I do.

It’s just not athletes – it happens to businesspeople all the time. I have a fair number of media folk I speak with, and it does happen.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I get that it would happen in the mass media

which is what I think you’re talking about. I’m specifically talking about a beat reporter in a clubhouse who has 30 or so people who have to trust him. If they don’t then he’s not going to get any details. I can’t imagine players liking being hung out to dry. Especially with the sort of inflammatory shit Cowley writes.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

There's a simple workaround

Player says “keep this off the record”

Reporter: can I use the quotes without attribution

Player: yes/no

Reporter: can I use some quotes, leaving out phrases, statements, or stories that could identify you.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

sure, that's a good tactic by any writer struggling to stay relevant.

the point there is that the quote isn’t attributed to anyone in particular, thus the source stays anonymous and everyone is happy.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you claiming to be as important of a source to the business media as an MLB player is to a sports reporter?

Because that is the crucial difference. Burning an important and hard to replace source would screw a local sports reporter pretty good.

by joewho112 on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I am not talking about me.

I am talking about peers and the folks who quote them. And, yes, CNBC/WSJ reporters just might be as important as journalists as sports reporters. Really.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't saying the reporters aren't as important. I was talking about the fungibility of the sources

There are 25 guys on a baseball team and they spend 162 days sitting in a room together during which they can share which reporters burned them. Burning one can really screw a sports reporter

I don’t know what the jobs or status of your peers are, but I imagine there are more than 25 of them with roughly equivalent status and have less communication between themselves.

by joewho112 on Dec 14, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not saying it is often done.

I am saying no one should expect that anything said “off the record” should be surprised when it goes “on the record”. That’s all I’m saying. Which is why you get bland public quotes from most folks and why a lot of guys are advised to not go on the record with nothing “controversial”.

That’s all I’m saying.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowley lost most of his sources to Miami

I’d say this makes him more desperate and very possibly more likely to do something like that.

Cowley seems to be a pretty big ass, in fact he doesn’t even really try to hide it. He refers to himself as “The Peoples Champ”… I really do not see him being the most ethical of “writers”.

by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

what are you talking about

the trend has been for the establishment media to exploit ‘anonymous’ sources

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I know what the trend is.

And people should still not assume they are “off the record” ever when speaking to a media person.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

this reminds me of Patton's struggles with the print media.

as portrayed in the movie, anyhow. I think the dynamic would be much different in sports.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

this actually happend to my buddy.

he is the hs baseball coach and thought he was talking off the record about a kid until the quote appeared in the paper that week. mom was not happy about what was said/printed, and the coach no longer gives an interview to the reporter.

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Peavy

“Anonymous pitcher says things really got bad. Esp between Coop and Jake Peavy.”

Anonymous pitcher also likes Teve Torbes’ manly scent.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 AM CST up reply actions  

This

Who can resist the musky aroma of Teve Torbes?

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

what the hell are all you guys doing up?

made an edit, fixed this

information on the pitcher staff’s inner workings.

by e-gus on Dec 14, 2011 2:59 AM CST reply actions  

That sounds like a gorram good time

Add a few BHB’s to the mix and you have my perfect Saturday afternoon all planned out.

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Dec 14, 2011 7:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Part of me wants to just keep the team as is

See if they do better under Ventura then Guillen. There are a lot of players with something to prove this season. Peavy. Danks and Pierzynski will be free agents. Floyd has an option he has to earn. Dunn, Rios and Beckham sucked balls last year. De Aza and Viciedo want to prove they belong in the majors. Morel should hit better. Sale wants to prove he belongs in the rotation. Humber, that last year wasn’t a fluke.

by striker on Dec 14, 2011 7:21 AM CST reply actions  

I thought the omission of Guillen was JC's way of continuing to defend him

without actually having to say anything. IMO, if there was palpable tension between the most important coach on the staff and the pitchers, it was Ozzie’s job to step in and manage. But water under the bridge/dead horse and all that. I can’t wait until Peavy is gone.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 7:25 AM CST reply actions  

The whole Peavy-bus-throwing premise is faulty.

How were thrown under the bus when you flipped the bus the bird, made out with its daughter, and then dared it to run you over? That bus was lookin for you already, dipshit.

by dr. lingerie on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Not defending Peavy, but of course he feels like he was thrown under the bus.

He was called out for being what he has been for the White Sox – inconsistent and hurt. He doesn’t like that. And for all his ‘team first, team first, team first’ talk, he’s a diva.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

to be fair though, the bus' daughter gets around

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

the bus' daughter is also a bus.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 15, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

reading that article, you would think that danks feels betrayed
But his hope is that a return also comes with more harmony. Not so much for himself, but for a handful of Sox pitchers who felt betrayed by the way pitching coach Don Cooper conducted business last season.

shouldn’t cowley quote danks specifically on that? otherwise, don’t use ‘his’, ‘himself’ (referring to danks), and start with the anonymous quote.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

I really don't buy most of this

and if some it is true Cowley over-exaggerates. Dude needs to get a life.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

i buy it. very easy to see coop get nervous and start acting like a jagoff.

cooper is kind of a prick.

Cowley is the best msm reporter that covers the sox now that brett is gone. nobody else takes a stand on anything. i guess the 2nd best one is garfien. gonzalez? merkin? padilla? come on

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

and yes i know a lot of his act is to shock people

and i know he protects the guy i dislike the most so most of his articles are slanted that way. but he gets more things correct than any of the other stooges.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

you keep saying this

He does not get most things correct.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he's a prick who is very good at his job. Who cares if he threw Peavy under the bus?

Peavy has been nothing but a big bitch ever since he got here.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Cowley is the best? Are you kidding me?

Gonzalez is the best sox reporter now. Cowley is hard to even take seriously.

by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

gonzalez? i'm not sure. try this one on for size.

The criticism of Dunn, Rios and Gordon Beckham are warranted, but the starting pitching wasn’t dazzling, either. It’s also time for Alexei Ramirez to take a bigger role as well and not shy away from throws at second base and bloopers in shallow left field.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-askmark-20111214,0,2788302.story

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

gonzalez often does not impress me.

those two sentences there are, to me, particularly poor.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

if you ain't first, you're last

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

if you're going to beat reporters for analysis,

you’re doing it wrong. who gets the information is what you should care about.

by larry on Dec 14, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

that's true

but it would be nice if he didn’t say things that are blatantly wrong.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I'm a fan of Margalus and larry

But that’s just me.

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Dec 15, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

well thats obvious.

i was talking about the main stream though

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 15, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

excellent. thanks jim. hope you didn't have to pay to read that "article".

FU cowley.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

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acquire free content

This used to be my playground

by The Cheat on Dec 14, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

i need to get my computer configured

so that no joe cowley content can get through.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Winning cures all and losing opens the door to crap like this

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2011 8:58 AM CST reply actions  

Welcome to the USA, baby!

We love winners and will not tolerate losers. Except in a North Side Chicago establishment.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Or Bears QBs

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks for bringing this up, jj

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Peavy-Ozzie-leaving-needed-to-happen?blockID=612322&feedID=621

comments on this:

“Ozzie didn’t care for me at the end because I was shut down,” Peavy said. "It didn’t end on good terms. The one thing about it, Coop and I have an open relationship. There was one time where I disagreed about something he said about me being on and off after coming back from the surgery, and I told him about it.
“But let’s be real: The Sox don’t win a World Series without Mark Buehrle, and look at what Coop has done over the years. It takes time to know someone. I have no problems with (Cooper).”

by craigws on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i am so looking forward to the day

that i no longer hear anything that jake peavy says.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

i understand.

it’s just that i, like i suspect many others similarly, have peavy fatigue™.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 14, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I am really curious as to see what comes out this year

with the inevitable stories about differences between Ozzie and Ventura. We are gonna get quotes from players, Ozzie will outrageously respond, we’ll have quotes from players about that responce, etc. It’s gonna keep the season interesting, no matter what the team on the field does.

by South Side Expat on Dec 15, 2011 3:45 AM CST up reply actions  

we might have a winner with this quote
I hope we don’t go into a complete rebuilding mode. We still have a good bullpen and pros like (Paul) Konerko. If Alex (Rios) and (Adam) Dunn bounce back, I can’t see us not being players in the American League Central."

it appears to me that peavy was the mystery player quoted last week.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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