Filling in the blanks on a piece about Danks
I like reading Joe Cowley articles because he's not for beginners.
Those who read him long enough know that he has his sources, and he goes to bat for them -- or against their enemies. And while there is some legitimate insight to be gleaned from what he writes, you have to work to filter out the slant.
In this case, he's been on a crusade against Don Cooper. Partially because Cooper supposedly went behind Cowley favorite Ozzie Guillen to get an extension, and also probably because he enjoys getting a rise out of Cooper and listening to him get all high-pitched, fast-talking and huffy. He doesn't need Cooper for stories, so he uses him for ratings.
But in order to paint Cooper in a really unfavorable light, he has to leave some things out. That's where it's fun for me, because I like to fill them in. So let's take today's column, where he talks to John Danks and also offers some information on the pitching staff's inner workings.
For starters, it's cause for caution when somebody writes about the White Sox's organizational disorganization in 2011 and doesn't mention the words "Ozzie" or "Guillen" once. But if you want to get specific, there are two other noteworthy omissions.
No. 1
Anonymous pitcher says: "They preach to us to act a certain way in a contract year, and you have a coach who couldn't lead by example. That rubbed a lot of us the wrong way."
But wait a second: The players also had a manager who, in back to back years, stated that he probably wouldn't even bother serving the last year of his contract. "I don't think I'll be back here for just a one-year contract and (not) know what to do the next year," Ozzie Guillen said on Aug. 30. He also had similar sentiments the year before. So what the players had was a coach who acted a different way in his contract year, working under a manager who threatened to take his ball and go home during his. That's healthy all the way around.
No. 2
Cowley writes: "Then there was the disintegrating relationship between Cooper and starter Jake Peavy when the veteran right-hander believed Cooper threw him under the bus in several interviews."
But wait a second: Remember the time last spring training where Guillen said Peavy convinced him that he could pitch in the spring outing that caused his setback? And then Peavy responded that Guillen had "complete control from the start," and that he didn't ask or beg his way back in? And remember how this was far from the first time it had happened?
I'm sure there are truths in there. I bet Cooper is on a different plane than the other White Sox coaches ... but because he gets results and he predates practically everybody but Herm Schneider. I bet Cooper and Jake Peavy had communication issues ... but everything I've read and heard Peavy say indicates that he's a high-maintenance guy who believes he's low-maintenance, and thus his very existence hinges on a disconnect that the entire White Sox staff has not been able to negotiate.
And I'm sure that John Danks is a little bothered that the Sox didn't protect Jordan Danks on the 40-man roster -- because it was foreseeable. And hey, he technically wrote a column that wasn't about Ozzie Guillen. So all in all, this article is truthy enough for Cowley to easily defend when somebody accuses him of printing lies or doing somebody's dirty work. He just leaves gaps big enough to drive a Paul Konerko triple through, if you follow the stories closely enough.
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so who's anonymous pitcher?
first guess would be Matt Thornton since he had quotes from him last week.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
This quote doesn't seem very Thorntonesque
Though he could be totally different off the record.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
yup.
really only six options, considering the “good ol coop” reference: buehrle, danks, floyd, santos, sale and thornton. i doubt santos or sale would use that language. presumably danks wouldn’t be anonymous in a story where he’s quoted but perhaps. floyd would never say anything like that. buehrle seems quite unlikely to say that, too. and i disagree that it doesn’t sound like thornton.
Yup, Cowley's been calling Floyd a Cooper puppet.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 14, 2011 2:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps Danks didn't mind saying the other stuff
but wanted that remark in particular to be off the record.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
You talk with a reporter these days,
assume nothing is off the record.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
Cowley can't really afford to fuck over his main sources though, you know?
Soon no one would talk to him and he’d soon be entirely making up shit.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Get real.
Happens all the time. Things are different today.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
come on, wu.
it’s one thing to be cynical towards the news media, but can you think of many instances where a beat reporter printed something a player said to keep off the record? You say it happens all the time, so you must know more than a few.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
I do.
It’s just not athletes – it happens to businesspeople all the time. I have a fair number of media folk I speak with, and it does happen.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
I get that it would happen in the mass media
which is what I think you’re talking about. I’m specifically talking about a beat reporter in a clubhouse who has 30 or so people who have to trust him. If they don’t then he’s not going to get any details. I can’t imagine players liking being hung out to dry. Especially with the sort of inflammatory shit Cowley writes.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
There's a simple workaround
Player says “keep this off the record”
Reporter: can I use the quotes without attribution
Player: yes/no
Reporter: can I use some quotes, leaving out phrases, statements, or stories that could identify you.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
sure, that's a good tactic by any writer struggling to stay relevant.
the point there is that the quote isn’t attributed to anyone in particular, thus the source stays anonymous and everyone is happy.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
It's too nice to call Cowley a reporter
He’s a pompous ass that writes sports op-ed.
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
Are you claiming to be as important of a source to the business media as an MLB player is to a sports reporter?
Because that is the crucial difference. Burning an important and hard to replace source would screw a local sports reporter pretty good.
by joewho112 on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not talking about me.
I am talking about peers and the folks who quote them. And, yes, CNBC/WSJ reporters just might be as important as journalists as sports reporters. Really.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't saying the reporters aren't as important. I was talking about the fungibility of the sources
There are 25 guys on a baseball team and they spend 162 days sitting in a room together during which they can share which reporters burned them. Burning one can really screw a sports reporter
I don’t know what the jobs or status of your peers are, but I imagine there are more than 25 of them with roughly equivalent status and have less communication between themselves.
I am not saying it is often done.
I am saying no one should expect that anything said “off the record” should be surprised when it goes “on the record”. That’s all I’m saying. Which is why you get bland public quotes from most folks and why a lot of guys are advised to not go on the record with nothing “controversial”.
That’s all I’m saying.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
by winningugly on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Cowley lost most of his sources to Miami
I’d say this makes him more desperate and very possibly more likely to do something like that.
Cowley seems to be a pretty big ass, in fact he doesn’t even really try to hide it. He refers to himself as “The Peoples Champ”… I really do not see him being the most ethical of “writers”.
by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
what are you talking about
the trend has been for the establishment media to exploit ‘anonymous’ sources
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
I know what the trend is.
And people should still not assume they are “off the record” ever when speaking to a media person.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
this reminds me of Patton's struggles with the print media.
as portrayed in the movie, anyhow. I think the dynamic would be much different in sports.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
this actually happend to my buddy.
he is the hs baseball coach and thought he was talking off the record about a kid until the quote appeared in the paper that week. mom was not happy about what was said/printed, and the coach no longer gives an interview to the reporter.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Peavy
“Anonymous pitcher says things really got bad. Esp between Coop and Jake Peavy.”
Anonymous pitcher also likes Teve Torbes’ manly scent.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
This
Who can resist the musky aroma of Teve Torbes?
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
what the hell are all you guys doing up?
made an edit, fixed this
information on the pitcher staff’s inner workings.
playing ocarina of time and ragequitting
also, watching firefly
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2011 3:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That sounds like a gorram good time
Add a few BHB’s to the mix and you have my perfect Saturday afternoon all planned out.
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Dec 14, 2011 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going with Skyward Sword instead of studying for finals
seems to be working for me
This used to be my playground
by The Cheat on Dec 14, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Read the article and substitute every Cooper with Guillen and it reads truthier
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Part of me wants to just keep the team as is
See if they do better under Ventura then Guillen. There are a lot of players with something to prove this season. Peavy. Danks and Pierzynski will be free agents. Floyd has an option he has to earn. Dunn, Rios and Beckham sucked balls last year. De Aza and Viciedo want to prove they belong in the majors. Morel should hit better. Sale wants to prove he belongs in the rotation. Humber, that last year wasn’t a fluke.
I thought the omission of Guillen was JC's way of continuing to defend him
without actually having to say anything. IMO, if there was palpable tension between the most important coach on the staff and the pitchers, it was Ozzie’s job to step in and manage. But water under the bridge/dead horse and all that. I can’t wait until Peavy is gone.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 7:25 AM CST reply actions
To me it seems like Guillen was just as guilty, if not more, of throwing Peavy under the bus and not leading by example
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
The whole Peavy-bus-throwing premise is faulty.
How were thrown under the bus when you flipped the bus the bird, made out with its daughter, and then dared it to run you over? That bus was lookin for you already, dipshit.
by dr. lingerie on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not defending Peavy, but of course he feels like he was thrown under the bus.
He was called out for being what he has been for the White Sox – inconsistent and hurt. He doesn’t like that. And for all his ‘team first, team first, team first’ talk, he’s a diva.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair though, the bus' daughter gets around
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the bus' daughter is also a bus.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
reading that article, you would think that danks feels betrayed
But his hope is that a return also comes with more harmony. Not so much for himself, but for a handful of Sox pitchers who felt betrayed by the way pitching coach Don Cooper conducted business last season.
shouldn’t cowley quote danks specifically on that? otherwise, don’t use ‘his’, ‘himself’ (referring to danks), and start with the anonymous quote.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions
I really don't buy most of this
and if some it is true Cowley over-exaggerates. Dude needs to get a life.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i buy it. very easy to see coop get nervous and start acting like a jagoff.
cooper is kind of a prick.
Cowley is the best msm reporter that covers the sox now that brett is gone. nobody else takes a stand on anything. i guess the 2nd best one is garfien. gonzalez? merkin? padilla? come on
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
and yes i know a lot of his act is to shock people
and i know he protects the guy i dislike the most so most of his articles are slanted that way. but he gets more things correct than any of the other stooges.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
you keep saying this
He does not get most things correct.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yeah, but he's a prick who is very good at his job. Who cares if he threw Peavy under the bus?
Peavy has been nothing but a big bitch ever since he got here.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Cowley is the best? Are you kidding me?
Gonzalez is the best sox reporter now. Cowley is hard to even take seriously.
gonzalez? i'm not sure. try this one on for size.
The criticism of Dunn, Rios and Gordon Beckham are warranted, but the starting pitching wasn’t dazzling, either. It’s also time for Alexei Ramirez to take a bigger role as well and not shy away from throws at second base and bloopers in shallow left field.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-askmark-20111214,0,2788302.story
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
gonzalez often does not impress me.
those two sentences there are, to me, particularly poor.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Don't forget bitching about the defense of the best defensive player on the team
Second place is first loser, right? Or something.
by Yinka Double Dare on Dec 15, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
if you ain't first, you're last
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
that's true
but it would be nice if he didn’t say things that are blatantly wrong.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Personally, I'm a fan of Margalus and larry
But that’s just me.
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
by Hazymania on Dec 15, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
well thats obvious.
i was talking about the main stream though
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
excellent. thanks jim. hope you didn't have to pay to read that "article".
FU cowley.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i need to get my computer configured
so that no joe cowley content can get through.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Winning cures all and losing opens the door to crap like this
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Welcome to the USA, baby!
We love winners and will not tolerate losers. Except in a North Side Chicago establishment.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
Or Bears QBs
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
thanks for bringing this up, jj
comments on this:
“Ozzie didn’t care for me at the end because I was shut down,” Peavy said. "It didn’t end on good terms. The one thing about it, Coop and I have an open relationship. There was one time where I disagreed about something he said about me being on and off after coming back from the surgery, and I told him about it.
“But let’s be real: The Sox don’t win a World Series without Mark Buehrle, and look at what Coop has done over the years. It takes time to know someone. I have no problems with (Cooper).”
by craigws on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Probably doesn't mean the same thing in this context as in others:
“Coop and I have an open relationship”
i am so looking forward to the day
that i no longer hear anything that jake peavy says.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i understand.
it’s just that i, like i suspect many others similarly, have peavy fatigue™.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
I am really curious as to see what comes out this year
with the inevitable stories about differences between Ozzie and Ventura. We are gonna get quotes from players, Ozzie will outrageously respond, we’ll have quotes from players about that responce, etc. It’s gonna keep the season interesting, no matter what the team on the field does.
by South Side Expat on Dec 15, 2011 3:45 AM CST up reply actions
we might have a winner with this quote
I hope we don’t go into a complete rebuilding mode. We still have a good bullpen and pros like (Paul) Konerko. If Alex (Rios) and (Adam) Dunn bounce back, I can’t see us not being players in the American League Central."
it appears to me that peavy was the mystery player quoted last week.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions

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