White Sox-Twins rivalry loses plenty of history
For the last decade, the rivalry between the Chicago White Sox and Minnesota Twins has been one of baseball's underappreciated gems.
Alas, both teams find themselves on the wrong side of the success cycle after matching disappointing seasons, and as a result, they've had to shed a lineup of players who have made the games so compelling.
Twins fans will have to get used to the White Sox without Ozzie Guillen or Mark Buehrle. They'll probably miss the former more than the latter, as Guillen lavished the Twins with compliments and marketing ideas, whereas Buehrle, with his 27-19 lifetime record, won more games against the Twins than he did against any other team.
But so far this offseason, the Twins' losses in this rivalry carry a far greater impact. Here are the key departing players from last year's Opening Day roster:
- Delmon Young: Traded to Detroit last August.
- Jim Thome: Traded to Cleveland last August, signed with Philadelphia.
- Joe Nathan: Signed by Texas.
- Jose Mijares: Non-tendered.
- Kevin Slowey: Traded to Colorado.
- Michael Cuddyer: Signed by Colorado.
- Jason Kubel: Signed by Arizona.
That is a lot of rivalry history lost, especially with those last two players. For Kubel, 22 of his 104 career homers came against White Sox pitching. The Cleveland Indians are second with 12 homers allowed to Kubel, which gives you some idea of what he saved for the South Side. Cuddyer played in 145 White Sox-Twins games, growing increasingly annoying as the years went along. He had no problems with the latest group of White Sox starters, hitting .356 off Mark Buehrle, John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Jake Peavy.
Robin Ventura might be the big winner in all of this, because he gets to a chance to make his mark on the rivalry while the Twins are reeling. The White Sox won eight of their last 10 games against Minnesota last season, and they'll head into 2012 with far fewer Sox-killers. Not only are familiar foes like Cuddyer, Kubel and Nathan gone, but the ones who are left have lost some of their luster for various reasons.
Below the jump, I made an attempt at compiling power rankings for the most loathsome of the remaining Twain, but few players stand out to me, so I'm guessing the order will be up for argument.
No. 1: Carl Pavano. He's 6-2 against the White Sox in eight starts over the last two years, including two complete games. Also, he hit Paul Konerko in the face, and went on to win the game easily.
No. 2: Joe Mauer. He's hit .321/.387/.493 against the Sox, and he's still a guy nobody wants to see at the plate in a big situation. Looking at the big picture, though, an accumulation of ailments threaten his catching future. And if he posts another .729 OPS at a non-premium position while making $23 million a year through 2018, he will be too big an albatross to get mad at.
No. 3: Francisco Liriano. He no-hit the White Sox while his ERA was above 8.00, and it was one of the least impressive no-hitters in baseball history.
No. 4: Glen Perkins. He's one of the few strikeout pitchers on the Twins' staff, so he's good enough to be annoying. He's also one of those Minnesota pitchers who only happen to hit White Sox. He's hit five batters over the last two years, and Carlos Quentin and Juan Pierre have each been plunked twice. That's not necessarily odd, except one time he threw at Quentin intentionally.
No. 5: Denard Span. He's hit the Sox to the tune of .301/.388/.399 hitter, but concussion problems limited him to 70 games last year.
No. 6: Justin Morneau. Went 0-for-7 against the White Sox last year, which are smaller struggles reflecting his greater battle with concussion aftermath. It's more sad than anything. He tops this list easily when he's 100 percent (or close to it).
No. 7: Nick Blackburn. Three of his seven wins in 2011 came against the White Sox, and he's 7-2 against the White Sox in his last 10 starts. Looks eminently hittable, but that doesn't mean much.
No. 8: Brian Duensing. He was 4-0 against the White Sox before they tagged him for a loss the last time they met on Aug. 7. Like Blackburn, he has a habit of giving up an enormous amount of hits, but a respectable amount of runs, making it extra frustrating.
No. 9: Alexi Casilla. His numbers against the White Sox are fairly close to his career numbers, but in his career, he has oscillated between terrible and acceptable. His low points probably make him seem worse than he is. He gets extra points for ending Mark Buehrle's consecutive batters retired streak
No. 10: Scott Baker. He didn't face the White Sox last year, and while the Sox don't exactly rough him up, they don't let him last too long, either. He only has four quality starts in 14 tries.
No. 11: Danny Valencia. Showed potential after hitting .325 against the White Sox as a rookie in 2010, but he dropped below the Mendoza Line last year, and he's not a favorite of Ron Gardenhire, which usually means good things for rivals of the Twins (see Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett).
That list really isn't as daunting as it used to be, although I'm counting on Jamey Carroll making his presence felt. He has an .852 OPS against the White Sox over 116 plate appearances, and if that isn't enough, he's armed with a diminutive stature and a creepy smile.
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Liriano's no-hitter was the harbinger of doom for the 2011 season
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
It was an ugly game for sure
It was one of the last I watched all the way through last year. The lack of any sort of execution by the players in that game nearly drove me insane. (Or more insane). It seemed like there was no urgency at all. They just rolled over into a prone submissive position and let Liriano off the hook. I am so glad Ozzie is gone. It seemed last year that he didn’t give one iota for that team and the team clearly had tuned out as well. The shenannigans at the end of the year proved that the team and last season were sabotaged by OGs apathy and petulance.
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
That was one of the worst nights of my life.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Was that the Night of the Bloody Fist?
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
by Uribe Down on Dec 20, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More like the final nail in the coffin.
They were 11-19 prior to that game, plenty of doom had already arrived.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
reading this just adds to my delight of Ozzie being gone
Unfortunately we still have another big Twins fan left behind, Hawk
by striker on Dec 20, 2011 6:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Great list.
I have Ben Revere tabbed as the future of Twain disdain. For now, Pavstache is the absolute worst, agreed.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I choose Joe Benson.
The only JCA athlete I’ve found myself able to cheer for was Alstott.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
JCA's RB ty isaac is one of the best i've ever seen in high school.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
He the one who went beast mode in the championship this year?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yes, he is only a junior
the senior tailback on JCA is going to Northwestern too. They combined for like 70+ TD’s.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
JCA and Northwestern?
Gross.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
yeah. he was playing my high school and i was still rooting for him.
but he got hurt in the 2nd half and wasn’t the same after.
montini has a great WR, but he’s going to nebraska, which i wouldn’t have chosen were i him.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
that's who i was leaning toward.
if it wasn’t for that mustache, i really don’t think i’d care.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
I have Revere on my radar...
…but the Sox got to run on his arm last year, and it’s worse than Juan Pierre’s. After watching the Sox have to hold up on Delmon’s and Cuddyer’s arms, Revere is a relief.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
true
I just don’t like him and he has alot of potential to be a Gallegoesque pesky little hitter who steals at will. I suppose any joy I take in his noodle arm is tempered by how much ground he can cover.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
It warms my soul to read about possible career threatening injuries to Mauer, Morneau, etc.
And if that makes me a bad guy, so be it.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions
What satisfaction could one get from this
I’d like to see the Sox beat the Twins’ star players on the field. Chris Sale striking out Joe Mauer, that’s great baseball. Joe Mauer sitting in the dugout doing nothing, not so exciting.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
When they're paying him $23 million, it's very exciting for me. I want that franchise crippled
for every single choke job I watched the Sox pull against them. I despise them, I always have and I always will. Plenty of people here feel the same way about players on the Cubs and Yankees.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
The White Sox versus a crippled franchise wouldn't make for a very enjoyable rivalry.
If rooting for a club with a big financial edge is so important to you, you may just want to become a Yankees fan.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
...where did I say rooting for a club with a big financial edge is important to me?
I said I wanted the Twins crippled. I don’t want them competitive, i want them to suck. I want them to be the dregs of the league. I enjoy the rivalry with the Tigers more. Screw Minnesota.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
You mean you don't root for our bitter rivals to be good?
Clearly there is something wrong with you. I always kind of hope the Twins have a World Series caliber club so it makes the games against them in the regular season that much more hand-wringing and ventricle blowing. It wouldn’t be fun at all to kick the shit out of them for the next decade, I mean bobpuller would be sad, ya know?
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I would take the risk that it would get boring to humiliate them for a decade.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
You and me both brother.
I can’t control that Mauer signed a piece of shit contract and had a horrible season and an unfortunate bilateral palsy or what not. I also can’t control that Morneau liked playing hockey when he was a kid and got beaned in the head. While I would never wish a brian injury on anyone, I certainly have the right to enjoy Morneau not being MVP caliber when he steps into the box.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I suppose I could wish a 'brian' injury on people
but defintely not a ‘brain’ injury.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
goddamn it, didn't you ever see 'brian's song'?
shame upon you.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Not only do I hate people with severe head injuries but I wish terminal cancer on them as well
I’m glad we sorted that all out,.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I thought that's why you were mentioning Mauer's salary.
As in, they would be crippled in terms of not having the money to spend to make themselves better.
If that’s not it, fine, although I still don’t get the desire to watch boring baseball games out of, I don’t know, spite or something.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
What about kicking the Twain when they are down is boring?
My only worry is that the White Sox and Twins have concurrent runs of ineptitude so we won’t be able to enjoy the rotton fruits of Twain suckdom.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
It's fine on a short-term basis for some schadenfreude. Everyone feels that sometimes.
But on a long-term basis, I’d like to see these clubs play relatively competitive baseball. Kicking someone when they are down gets kind of boring over the course of many years.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I disagree with you 100%
I loathe Minnesota. If they were never again above .500 I would pleased as pie.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
This
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to think big_fun is a Twain agent
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
No particular affinity for the Twins
All I’m saying is that given the choice between watching the White Sox baseball game from, oh, 9/30/2008, or watching the one from, for example, 9/5/2011, I’ll take the former every time.
Having an in-division opponent that isn’t competitive, forever, is going to make for a lot of boring baseball games.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I don't want him drooling in a cup for the rest of his life, but if his headachey head prevents him from playing baseball,
I’m good with that.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
neither of them has done anything especially egregious in the rest of their lives,
so i can’t resent them to the same extent as you. i feel bad for morneau.
I disliked Morneau before his injury and I still dislike him now
sucks about his his concussions and brain and what not but it also sucks that my knees are shot too. He has millions of dollars. C’est la vie.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Well, in Rhoobie's defense
they are both body parts on humans….
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
Hey...
Rhube clearly has a point. He might not physically be able to bend at the knees and pick up a large box. Or squat down like a catcher and play ball with his kid. Morneau can do both of those things theoretically. He might just not remember doing them or why he was doing them in the first place. That’s not so bad. Morneau wins.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I said it sucked his brain injuries happened
I wasn’t trying to compare the two either, I was saying that things happen to people in their lives based on choices they make and experiences they have. Do I seriously have to pussy -foot around the subject? His brain is scrambled, that sucks, but I still hate him as a player.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Rhoobie
Don’t ever change…. it wouldn’t be the same with out you. 2 cool 2b 4gotten! HAGS!
Zev
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I took Morneau's 'anyone but Chicago' comments a few years back personally.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
he just looks like a jackoff, as well.
not that we haven’t had a player or two like that.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Seems like our jackoffs lately have sucked. Their jackoffs are good at baseball.
This adds to the dislike. Liriano looks like an asshole, too.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
their jackoffs are not always so good against other teams, just against the sox.
see: gomez, carlos.
of the teams he has at least 75 plate appearances against, here’s his OPSes: .485, .590, .529, .675, .545, .766, .848.
guess which one is against the white sox.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Remembering AJ killing a rally against the Twins in 2010
(sigh)…The 2010 season series against the Twins is the primary reason why I dislike AJ
don't even think about posting a picture of that jackoff.
you know who i’m talking about.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Dec 20, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i dislike him for that,
but there is a jump from disliking him for something he said about a sports rivalry he is on one side of versus being glad about his career maybe being over because of a horrible potentially life-altering injury.
I loved him for saying that
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Also that Mauer is making $23 million to be injured.
Saps the potential deals the Twins can make with that albatross contract. How is he their golden boy now?
"Where's your Moses now?"
"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
My future nightmares
Will involve Jamie Carroll dressed as that clown from IT… I am pretty sure I lost part of my soul to that vacant 1000 yard stare…
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
I tell 'ya one thing, stone pony...Pennywise looks like a ballplayer

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
looks like my mother in law
Before her first cup of coffee.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 20, 2011 8:12 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 3 recs
Konerko got it right
After the come back victory in the last game in the “Homer Dome” Konerko stated, “We own this place”. Ha – Lol
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
That was a superb game.
"His Load got Sloppy" Colintj
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
jim, i think the alexi casilla description might be due for an edit.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
i hate the twins, but playing them mostly just made me mad at the sox.
it always felt like we’d find a way to lose more than get beaten.
hoping robin doesn’t treat them so reverentially.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
robin being as different from ozzie as you can get,
i would hope that he would be the opposite on the twin crap. it would be an incredible disappointment to see that horseshit continue.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I look to his charging the mound
against Nolan Ryan and the reaction to the white flag trade (that I read about here) as a sign of what Ventura thinks of deference to those he deems unworthy of deference… Ventura kneels to no man or team.
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
i know he's been gone two years
but gomez remains at the top of my loathsome twins list. he’ll probably remain there for the fore seeable future.
good call on carroll. that little douchenozzle has been bugging me for years.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Gut Feeling
Based on my recollection of the Twins as a rival, and the fact that they have some history with the worst-to-first path in through standings, my initial reaction is that I should be worried. Worried that they already have some weapons waiting in the wings, received something substantial for all that they lost in that list above, or will go out and get what they need to handle this division again in short order.
Of course, maybe they are just bad – and this is just my conditioned reaction, being a sports fan in this city.
by bevingtonsTallBoy on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
Rany Jazayerli uses Santos-Molina trade as example of prospects being overvalued
in this article on Grantland. Here’s an excerpt:
Prospects are tremendously valuable commodities. But there is nothing more valuable in baseball than a star player who is signed to a long-term contract before he reaches arbitration eligibility. The White Sox traded the latter for the former. The Blue Jays, who were desperate for a closer, acquired a good one for a pitcher whose absence they’ll hardly miss.
He goes on to assert the trading away prospects is the new market inefficiency. Funny that a long-time prospects-for-veterans dealmaker like KW would be the poster boy for overvaluing other teams’ prospects. Obviously, in tthis specific trade it all depends on your opinion of the future potential of both Santos and Molina, but the way Rany describes it depressed me.
if molina reaches his projection of good mid rotation starter, he becomes far more valuable than a closer.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
this.
He could have added the White Sox are likely to not miss Santos. Molina could bomb but this isn’t the model situation for making his argument. If Molina has another year like the last one he flies up everyone’s list.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
unrelated...
on the sbn android app right now. its pretty effin great. only issue is that you can’t rec/flag (unless i just haven’t figured it out yet). all in all, solid.
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
by Hazymania on Dec 20, 2011 11:47 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Using it now.
It’s a definite improvement. Big fan.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 20, 2011 4:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Do you know if there is a way to tell it to exclude stories about sports I don't care about from the news feed?
I'm not able to compare at this moment...
But are the stories in the main feed the same stories on the homepage of sbnation.com? If so, I’m guessing that might be part of the design, although with 5 or 6 blogs in my lineup, the feed has more of what I’m looking for.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 20, 2011 5:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't care who is on the Twins
I still fucking hate them. The only thing I enjoy more is all the folks who assured me the Twins would be great for the next decade with all their “new” money.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I can't wait to see Bill Hader play Jamey Carroll in Little Big League 2: Life After Punto.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
So if the "new" Twinkies
Spend every game plunking Konerko and Qperman( if he’s still here) what are the Odds Ventura might actually do something about it ( or instruct someone to without making them cry ) ?
Thank you SB app
for finding me a way around my work’s internet block. Unproductivity commence!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 20, 2011 5:29 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Jealous of their fan support!?!
Those drooling simpletons!?!
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
savages.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
the Twins fan support
so you like it because it lifts and separates? or because of its hourglass design?
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Dec 20, 2011 8:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Twin fans
Also the females fans are all real blonds.Not nearly as attractive as our blonds who spend a lot of money to be blond.
there are plenty of nice looking hunnies up there.
i went up there in 2001 when i was a single man. The sox got destroyed and my david wells hate grew… but i had some real good times at the bars/clubs up there.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I hate EVERYTHING about the state of Minnesota
I hate the Viqueens, the Wild, but most importantly I hate the Twins. In fact, I hate them more than anything in sports. I hate Justin Morneau for being Canadian, and for the infamous “Anyone but Chicago comment.” I hate him more than any athlete on the planet. I hate Joe Mauer’s sideburns. I hate Pavano’s porn stache. I hate any fan base that openly embraces Nick Punto. I even hate their name. If the Twins never won another game again, I’d be happier than a pig in shit.
by Sox2727 on Dec 21, 2011 6:34 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd just for the passion.
Keep the fires burning, and remember, the hotlines are open on Christmas. And hopefully you don’t own a handgun.
"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."
honestly the only central rival
I don’t hate is Detroit. But they are quickly changing that..
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
How do you hate the Royals?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
He has been a Colonialist for many years.
Hates the monarchy.
"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."
kansas city is the home of the fellowship of christian atheletes
and as of late at least the royals have had a lot of that fundamentalist evangelical nonsense that i love so much going on. (remember mike sweeney? yeah, never cared for him) colorado looks set to overtake them in that department though.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
um, fellowship of christian athletes.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Hate causes misspellings.
I know these things.
"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."
Yup.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
The twins will only get worse this year.
They lost all their best players and improved by adding Caroll, Willingham, and Doumit. Willingham is the only one from the group that might be hard to pitch to.

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