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John Danks extension still leaves questions

We can safely say that John Danks and the White Sox have agreed to a contract extension. We apparently can say that it's up to five years and $65 million.

All other aspects of the contract remain unclear, which leaves too many open-ended questions to bother trying to make a definitive statement regarding this extension's worth or sense. But the questions themselves are worth throwing out there.

What don't we know?

While the deal is being reported as five years and $65 million, we don't know how that money is structured, nor whether there is an option year (or years), which changes the shape of the deal considerably. A straight five-year deal would be very uncharacteristic for Jerry Reinsdorf, as well as for pitchers signing a deal before their final year of arbitration.

Star-divide

What are the White Sox doing?

Like every move the White Sox have made thus far, it doesn't really point to a clear-cut direction, which leaves Kenny Williams open to criticism, since it's almost Christmas and all. Ever since he said the White Sox are rebuilding in the wake of the Sergio Santos trade, his actions haven't followed suit. It doesn't seem like the front office can agree on a plan, which doesn't inspire confidence.

But I don't think this deal changes any direction, aside from the pitcher the Sox might want to trade. Perhaps the potential return for Danks grew weaker and weaker by the week, and since the market demanded pitchers with years of team control, Williams decided that he would get the most value for Danks by keeping him in the fold. That's not unfathomable. Every team needs pitchers, and Danks is only 26.

But with Danks locked in, it could raise the possibility of another pitcher being dealt -- Gavin Floyd is the most obvious one. Since he has one more year left on his deal, his contract seems to be more to the market's liking.

Or maybe nobody will be traded.

What's not to like?

Danks is coming off his worst season since his rookie year. He went 8-12 with a 4.33 ERA, beginning and ending his season in miserable fashion. Plus, he went to the DL for the first time in his career due to a strained rib cage. It wasn't his best work in any way, and yet here he gets a five-year, $65 million extension. It doesn't feel like Williams is buying low, and the Sox are starving for value.

But again, since we don't know how the contract breaks down yet, any value comparison runs the risk of being off. There are some loud voices (Dave Cameron and Keith Law, to name two) who are already writing it off as stupid because it's fun, but Williams doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt, so that's going to happen.

Is he going to be worth it?

Once again, with the caveat of not knowing how the contract is structured...

If you're feeling charitable, a lot of Danks' struggles in 2011 can be explained away. He started the season with an 0-8 record he didn't deserve, and at the end, he wasn't the only one who looked like he couldn't wait for the season to be over.

In the creamy middle from June to August, he went 6-1 with a 2.03 ERA.

There's nothing in Danks' peripherals that suggests he's a different pitcher from his excellent three-year run from 2008 to 2010. His problems last season were most likely bad luck snowballing into bad pitching. If he shakes it off and returns to his 2008-10 level, he pays for himself. But he shouldn't expect the White Sox to give him much more run support than they did last year, so he has to be better equipped to handle it.

What's this say about the Sox-Danks relationship?

1. Danks' dumping of Scott Boras ended up serving a purpose after all.

2. Don Cooper must not be that awful to work with.

3. The Sox really lost nothing by leaving Jordan Danks off the 40-man roster.

It's hard to make any bolder statements right now, so I'll wait for the specifics. It's a long offseason. There's time.

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by billyok on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

So theory is the 4th or more likely 5th year is option like?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 21, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

I'd guess fifth.

They’re more willing to go into four-year territory now. Not just Buehrle and Linebrink (sigh), but Jose Contreras signed a three-year contract as the final year of his current deal was just beginning. That’s basically the same as four guaranteed years for Danks.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 21, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

what would J Lopez think?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 21, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He is confused because

He isn’t sure how they are going to trade him for Mark Lowe and Jose Lopez now that they are on different teams.

by daggins on Dec 21, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

this

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 21, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So:
It doesn’t seem like the front office can agree on a plan, which doesn’t inspire confidence.

Isn’t this KW method of leading by confusion. I trust in KW.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions  

What has KW really done to indicate he was "rebuilding" though?

Other than trading Santos? If he’d already sold off a bunch of other players, I’d agree. But I don’t think trading a reliever really counts as rebuilding. This seems more to me like he is reshuffling his rotation for the next window of opportunity.

by polodude017 on Dec 22, 2011 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

retooling

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

reboot

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 22, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Only if it's gritty

otherwise it’s a remake. And no one wants that…

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Dec 22, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Regurgitating.

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Smoke screen

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Dec 21, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this one is hard to figure.

What on earth is going on? Some people have wondered whether this is some sort of sign and trade thing but that is rarely done in baseball. Can anyone remember the last time that happened? I do like that we extended a pretty good pitcher who is in his mid twenties but this and the Santos deal just don’t make a lot of sense. What is next, KW?

by jonmanster on Dec 22, 2011 6:02 AM CST up reply actions  

The possibility of a "sign and trade" type of deal had crossed my mind.

This has to make him more attractive to teams like the Yanks and Red Sox, though I’m not sure other teams would be crazy about taking on that deal. And let’s not forget, he basically did this with Santos.

by polodude017 on Dec 22, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

This should make things easier for the boys in marketing

Fan like Danks…and now he moves up the celebrity food chain. Expect to see Jawin’ Johnny on pocket schedules, calendars, billboards, etc.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 22, 2011 6:21 AM CST reply actions  

Anyone wanna trade me

a John Danks nutcracker for my Mark Buehrle gut hook?

by dr. lingerie on Dec 22, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

While I'm happy for Danks getting his money, I was iffy on the deal last night and I'm still iffy now.

Crudely, it’s a $13 mill a year deal. That’s about what Danks is worth, which is good. But I hate the continued lack of direction from the front office. Maybe Kenny is right and Peavy will be the #1 he’s paid to be, Danks will be the #2 he’s paid to be and Floyd will be the #3 he’s paid to be. Maybe Dunn and Rios will bounce back. Maybe Konerko can keep his magic bag of anti-aging dust for another year. Maybe Viciedo is the real deal. Maybe De Aza isn’t just a replacement level player. Maybe Beckham and Morel aren’t total offensive voids again. Maybe Ozzie truly was the biggest problem. Maybe. But as Jim said, this isn’t really something you do after using the word ‘rebuilding.’

Meatball thought They had $65 over 5 for Danks, but not $56 over 4 for Buehrle? (Clearly the front office felt Danks was the better bet moving forward, that Buehrle would not age well in the AL, blah blah blah. Just sayin’).

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 7:23 AM CST reply actions  

Is there a question which deal is better in your above scenario?

I don’t get your point.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The point of my post is to express frustration with the conflicting nature the FO operates with.

The Buehrle/Danks note is rather nonsensical, I’ll admit. It’s the emotion vs. rational part of my brain.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

The point is, he'd rather have Buehrle for a worse deal, and so would I.

With virtually any other player, it’s about dollars and wins. With Mark Buehrle, it’s different.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

if these are my choices, i'd take danks and his deal.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

yup.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

You are bloodless and cold.

Also, correct. Fucking traders. So unemotional.

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

that's good stuff man

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 12:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

wow. interesting. can you break those starts by rest down anymore?

would be curious to see h/9, k/9, bb/9, etc.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 22, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

needs more sample

why just last three years?

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Dec 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well there is this thing called aging Colin.....

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

okay but you want to pick out a phenomenon on a small sample

the rate stats are more relevant in that case.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Dec 22, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

okay but you want to pick out a phenomenon on a small sample

the rate stats are more relevant in that case.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Dec 22, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, Danks is the better pitcher and in his prime

Mark has alot of mileage on that arm and doesn’t have as much stuff as Danks. I love the guy, but if its between those two than it is Danks every time. For whatever reason, I always thought they were going to lock him up.

I don’t want my GM/Owner allowing sentimentality and emotion get in the way or influence the moves they make, ultimately the goal is to win games. Leave all that other shit for the idiots on the North Side (not saying they are all idiots… or am I?)

by 815Sox on Dec 22, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yikes

No thanks I’ll take Danks

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll start my explanation by saying, yes, the proposed Danks deal is better value - by quite a bit - than the Buehrle deal.

But I don’t care about that. I’m a damaged fan. I look at this team and see the abyss. After the abomination that was 2011, my expectations are through the floor for next season, and probably a couple seasons to come. That being the case, if they had the money available, at least don’t let my favorite player ever to play the fucking game walk away and leave me with absolutely, positively no reason to give a fuck.

Put the old dog to sleep, buy a robot to fetch the paper and scare off intruders? No thanks, White Sox. I’d rather still have my old buddy.

(What the fuck, I sound like both a pussy and a Cubs fan – redundant, I know. I blame the holidays.)

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Because teams never change locations.

There is risk in everything. EVERYTHING!

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been scarred by following certain players.

Too easy for that to backfire. I’ve yet to lose a t team, though I suppose it could happen.

by polodude017 on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta know when it's time to put the old dog down.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You cannot use canine metaphors

unless you commit to vet school.

BTW, one of my vet clients looks to be taking the Dean’s job at a Western vet school in April. And he has immediate tenure. Keep shouldering on, young man. You never know where it’s going to lead…

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I could.

As I could become a vet tech and still be putting things down, like all of the coworkers I’ve had for the past half decade.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 22, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Aim high, partner.

Not everyone is good. You’re good.

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I figure it's about time I updated the site on the plan.

I’m earning my master’s certificate in public health this spring and over the summer. Second year of vet school restarts in the fall.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Admirable.

And correct. Good work.

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

master's certificate?

i’ve got 3 of them. university of phoenix had a buy one, get two free sale.

by larry on Dec 22, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Gotta do something to keep the loans from kicking back in.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 22, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Never. Institutions that have been around over 100 years will crumble because the government will choose not to pay them any longer.

It will cause inexpensive but corporate colleges probably. Starbucks U.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 22, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Student loan bubble bursting is going to bankrupt universities

and it is gonna completely screw a generation of college students because the debt will never be forgiven and they will have jobs that don’t pay enough. Then when the dust settles, we will have colleges owned by corporations and their tuitions will be reasonably priced like any other condumer product necessity but it won’t be the same. Liberal arts would probably suffer the most because all classes will be geared toward money making instead of independant thought.

Atleast that is one theory. The student loan bubble is baaaaaaad news.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 22, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds ridiculously far-fetched and pessimistic to me.

and debt is forgiven after 10 years of constant payments for those in certain fields.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 23, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I will add tho.

i think liberal arts degrees are going to (continue to) be seen less and less as no one can afford to get them anymore from four year universities and they are less valuable than business and science degrees.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 23, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I read somewhere

that knowledge accumulates in colleges because no one brings any in and no on brings any out. All the knowledge stays in the university. I learned to be pessimistic in college and I know my degree is a worthless piece of paper. Much like packer stock.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 23, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

i take issue with your, uh, rant.

but this isn’t the RRRR, so i’ll abstain from comment.
i wouldn’t mind discussing it there though.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 23, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Not interested really

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 23, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

me neither, so maybe skip making comments like your previous.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 23, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, sorry, i forgot that whatever is bouncing around your brain is law

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 23, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The best part was

When i used theory.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 23, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not, but it's also not just constant stream of consciousness rambling.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 23, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hey!

you can go to the meetings and, uh, go to the owners website and buy stuff!!

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 23, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

i use mine when i run out of paper towels.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 22, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

My Take

1. Kenny didn’t get the offers he wanted for Danks, so it was either let him walk and “possibly” get a draft pick or extend him, so he extended him. If Danks has a good year then he can trade him next year when he has 3/4 guaranteed years left on his contract. Sell high on a reasonably priced player.

2. KW realized that the pitching didn’t need to be rebuilt, so why not keep it in place. I wouldn’t be surprised if Floyd is extended as well. 2013 looks like Danks, Floyd, Sale/Stewart/Axelrod/Humber/Molina/Santiago. If two of that group pan out in 2012 then you use the Peavy money to sign a pitcher. If 3 of them work out then you use the Peavy money to buy a bat.

3. It makes more sense to play out 2012 as is and see if Beckham/Dunn/Rios can rebound. If they can then we are competitive, if they can’t then we rebuild next year when Peavy is off the books, Danks/Konerko/Dunn/Rios all have 1 less year left on their contracts so they are easier to move.

by striker on Dec 22, 2011 7:38 AM CST reply actions  

Peavy off the books

Peavy,AJ,Ohman off the books I think.

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 22, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Scenario Management

Here’s another thing to consider. Most of these players have been available since last July, so Kenny knows what they are worth now in the market. He’s probably even received offers for each of his players. So knowing what those offers are he probably didn’t like his probability of success if he pulled the trigger on the deals. The probability of success was higher if we kept Floyd/Thornton/Danks and hoped for rebounds from others.

by striker on Dec 22, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

THE question of the day?

Will this keep John Danks away from the avocado farm? What about Jordan?

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 22, 2011 8:56 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

like someone said before,

kenny’s rebuilding is not your typical rebuilding.

by obnoxious american on Dec 22, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

What about the possibility

of a no trade clause in the contract?

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on Dec 22, 2011 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

Nobody was going to give a kings ransom for one year of Danks.

So KW now has options (assuming Danks didn’t get a no trade clause). Teams will give alot more for 5 years of Danks. But, like someone else wrote, I think KW has reevaluated. He can take a shot with this team and if it doesn’t work out, he can move some pieces later.

I think he looked at the division and realized that the Twins are going to suck, Cleveland hasn’t improved and KC, well, who knows. He knows his pitching is good. And can Dunn really be done? Highly unlikely. So he’s all in…………terested in seeing what these guys can do.

by Rick B on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Rick, you so crazy.

78-82 wins will not compete. But I dig the optimism.

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

So Ozzie picks KC

then says it was a mistake because Ozzie jr used his logged in account but he made the typical Ozzie twitter errors? lol

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 11:23 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

check that

I guess it really is a different style

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 22, 2011 11:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

i wonder if this will lead to some better offers for the likes of Q!, thornton and floyd.

presumably kenny was getting lowballed because everyone thought they were a selling club.

by craigws on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Probably wishful thinking

If you were a team out there looking for an 800-850ish OPS corner outfielder with suspect fielding skills to pay 7-8 million to, you could have just signed Willingham or Kubel without giving anything up. Floyd is probably the one guy with a bit of value since he has at least one season of making less than he is worth.

by MelidoPerez on Dec 22, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Those guys are off the market though.

Once Beltran signs, I could see some interest in Q, specifically from teams that don’t want to commit multiple years.

by polodude017 on Dec 22, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Tango's analysis

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/john_danks/

Punchline:

So, his career indicates he has the talent level to give up runs at 7% to 10% better than league average for the 2012 season, and the Sox are paying him for delivering 8% better.

This seems about as perfectly fair deal as you should expect from both sides.

by CWSKeith on Dec 22, 2011 11:23 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Fair deals suck.

Who wants fair?

"I'm going to die this way ... wanting to play more baseball."

by winningugly on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

99% percent of us.

eh, i give myself a 3/10 on this one.

by obnoxious american on Dec 22, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

fair is in the eye of the beholder.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 22, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

What is up with everyone harping on KW saying he is rebuilding?

Drop it already. Actions speak louder than words. If he is really rebuilding you will see that. Ok.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Dec 22, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

calm down

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?

by greenlight on Dec 22, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

tell that to everyone freaking out that KW isn't rebuilding anymore cause he signed Danks to a deal

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Dec 22, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

depending on the structure of the deal

Etc., I’m thinking we overpaid. Not sure the direction we are going here and I hate to agree with that douche KL, but I think in terms of rebuilding, Danks was at least a player we could get some prospects for in a trade. Dunn, Rios and Peavy are albatrosses that are going to be next to impossible to overcome in terms of overpayment. The team has
nothing to build on in the minors and won’t compete next year in all of the most likely scenarios. From what I’ve seen with peavy is heniant top ofnthem rotation starter anymore. The Sox will be mediocre for the next few years, with minimal ammo innthe minors. Gotta rebuild and Danks now is a luxury you dont need. Trade him for future value.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 23, 2011 6:10 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Why do I want prospects when I can have Danks for 5 years?

And overpaid according to whom? Danks probably exceeds the value of the contract. I understand the nature of projections but its like people are straight ignorant of the past.

Want to know the projections of 05 and 08 going into the season?
Know how many times I heard the team won’t compete for a few years after 07.

Yawn.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 23, 2011 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

don't forget that this could be jake's last season on the team

they can buy him out for $4m to avoid paying him $22m in 2013. I’d take that deal if I were KW in a heartbeat

by moroots on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

here's probably what KW saw for future value.

he could trade danks. he’d probably get a not quite elite prospect and a second piece of lesser quality, either a prospect with upside but far away or a near-ready player of the utility type, maybe second division starter upside.

in terms of on the field value, john danks would be projected to blow away such a package. however, the difference in salary would be substantially higher for danks. if you’re a small market team, the choice is obvious. if you’re a large market team, it’s much less so.

the issue that is actually driving your concern is probably that you don’t believe KW spends his money and other assets properly. while he’s invested smartly in the past on such players as MB and PK, he’s also invested stupidly in guys like rios, jackson and teahen. you don’t trust him to surround john danks with players that make his investment in danks look good.

by larry on Dec 23, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave Cameron's really stubborn about being wrong

And he has never been able to accept that his “Jose Lopez + Mark Lowe for John Danks is a fair trade” idea is unspeakably dumb, and that ADD UP THE WARs isn’t a good way for projecting future trades.

Also, John Danks did at least have the best K/BB ratio of his career last year. Means a lot more to me than W-L and ERA, especially with the outfield defense they trotted out last year.

by Pumpkin McPastry on Dec 23, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

Outfield defense

It occurred to me that when facing a left handed starter next season they will probably sit Dunn,
Viciedo to DH and Lillibridge in Right.
With Rios in left and D,Aza in center that is a better outfield defensive lineup then we have had in many years.
Combined with eliminating the automatic out at DH we might win another game or two.

by Lil Jimmy on Dec 23, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

don't see why they will sit dunn against lefties to start with,

his career splits are pretty good, so best to hope for a return to ‘normality’ across the board.

by craigws on Dec 24, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

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