Wrapping up loose ends: the last SSS round table of 2011
It seemed like a decent enough time to do another one of these (also known as U-God is having writer's block and feels bad about not creating any content in two weeks) so here we go. Today's rotating guest chair belongs to friend of the site and fellow White Sox blogger Tom Fornelli of South Side Asylum. We'll cover such interesting topics as the Danks extension, the hottest new thing out of Cuba, hatred, and the impending new year.
1. What is your initial reaction to the John Danks extension?
Tom: Shock, then anger, then confusion. Shock because when the rumors first surfaced on Twitter it came out of no where. Anger because after spending a few hours chasing down more on the story Chuck Garfien beat me to it 5 minutes before I could publish my story. Then confusion set in because I'm just not sure what this means. Were the trade offers just not enticing enough? Did Jerry see a decline in ticket sales so far and put the brakes on this rebuilding business? Is this move solely to get a larger return on a Danks trade? By actually signing Danks I think the Sox managed to create even more questions.
Tdogg: Pardon my French, but I told you mother turkeys.... (editor's note: not his original word, but replacement word of choice). :-) I like it, I love it. Williams is really not the rebuild type. Danks in my eyes is still underrated and I think this deal will ultimately be a steal.
U-God: Shock. How Kona keeps pulling this off is beyond me. I'm happy with it, since it won't take Danks much to match the monetary value and it lets me keep treasuring my sweet autographed 8x10 glossy.
KenWo: My initial reaction was surprise. I figured one party (either Danks or the Sox) didn't want an extension and that he would likely be traded. I wouldn't have been against trading him, but I'm not against this deal either. The Sox have a lot of money coming off the books after this season. They have the cash going forward. I just figured they'd get prospects for Danks and make a splash next offseason. It will be interesting to see how the deal breaks down.
Jim: Retaining the services of a good pitcher isn't bad, but I'm distracted by not knowing what it means.
larry: That I don't believe it's really 5 guaranteed years. I want to see the details on this because I'm skeptical that it's so simple as 5/$65M. I had often wondered on the site about why the White Sox reportedly hadn't approached Danks "seriously" for a few years about an extension. Part of the answer to that may be his year demands. In any event, of the starting pitchers, Danks is, and has been for awhile, my favorite so I like it on that level.
2. The White Sox apparently had a private workout with Yoenis Cespedes. While it seems unlikely that he'll wind up in Chicago, what would you think of it?
TF: I'd be happy with it. Seems like Cuban refugees are the only thing this organization has been able to do right the last few years.
TD: Bold, Brass.These things are required with the lack of a farm system. That said I doubt its true or will yield anything.
EG: I'm more than OK with the White Sox signing every Cuban baseball defector from here on out. I highly doubt they get him, but I'd be fired up if they did. Furthermore, if they do land this guy, the next statue on the concourse should be El Duque for starting this whole Cuban pipeline thing by bringing us Alexei Ramirez. (It was El Duque and not Contreras, right? That part of my brain has melted).
UG: Gus, I'm pretty sure it was Contreras since El Duque had been gone for a few years at that point. I worry about Cespedes, but mostly from the money angle. I don't doubt he'll be able to play, but I'm scared the contract he gets from whatever team he signs with is going to be entirely too massive. We've had success in Cuba, but the initial contracts for Alexei and Dayan were nothing close to what Yoenis is looking for.
3. I can predict the obvious answers, but what is/are your least favorite team(s) in baseball?
TF: I don't really have any least favorite teams. I suppose if I had to pick one I'd go with the Yankees or Red Sox.
TD: Covered this earlier but I hate the Central rivals. Twins and Indians in particular. Hate em. Hate their players, hate their fans, hate their cities. Hate the Yankee fandom. Whine about everything. I've mellowed on Cub nation. I actually feel a little sorry for them.
EG: I would have said the Marlins up until Buehrle signed there. Now I'll actually root for them every 5th day. I think the team I dislike the most right now is the White Sox for letting Ozzie phone it in for an entire season. In retrospect it feels like they were trying to spray paint a turd gold for over two years now.
UG: Minnesota and Detroit. I love that as a White Sox fan, I get to hate the same cities for every sport. I don't know how Cubs fans adjust to only hating a city for one team. My Detroit hatred had slipped until this year when a drunk Tigers fan decided to heckle me on my birthday by screaming "Frank Thomas f****** sucked!" at me repeatedly. Jack can vouch for this.
KW: I know its not stylish anymore... but I can't stand the Cubs. I hope they lose every single game or if they are decent they can repeat 2003. That was magical.
JM: I'd really like to see the Marlins fail, and fail hard.
l: I find the Padres extremely boring. I have a visceral distaste for the Mariners. The Orioles are obnoxiously pathetic. In the AL Central, the Tigers and the Indians. Their fans are dirty and poor. I don't like them near me.
4. Any New Year's resolutions?
TF: Nope.
TD: Unless I personally test a player I won't ever believe anything from an athlete's mouth regarding PEDs. After watching I Hate Valentine's Day several times I've instituted a 5 date max (genius). I'm not betting anyone a pot pie or worse money on SSS in 2012.
EG: I have turned into typical-middle-aged-man-guy. My New Year's resolution is to shave a few pounds off the spare tire this year. A far cry from my 2006 resolution- To give up exercise completely.
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This "K0na" guy..
Was the same one that was talking about the supposed Alex Rios to the Brewers trade around the deadline. This isn’t the first time he has broken something over twitter. Maybe those Rios to the Brewers rumors were not as far fetched. I believe he was also talking about them being interested in Beckham.
Thanks for the article and discussion fellas.
You might be mistaken.
Nothing in his timeline about Rios except a call to bench him.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 22, 2011 4:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Also, I really like this deal. I have always said that I would rather keep
John over Mark and if it took letting Mark go then so be it.
Hard to argue with signing a guy for his prime years
And he doesn’t turn 27 until April so it is good for the long term. The alternative was to trade him for a 23 year old pitcher and hope he ends up being as good as Danks? This of course costs more money but it isn’t like the Sox are a Cleveland type who needs to slash the payroll to $40 million to rebuild and they do have money coming off the books the next few years.
by MelidoPerez on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
In the AL Central, the Tigers and the Indians. Their fans are dirty and poor. I don't like them near me.
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Gold.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Dec 22, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I don't understand what is so angering and confusing
KW shopped the principal trade bait on the team, nobody bit, so KW changed direction.
Boom! – Confusion? – solved.
Finding that nobody valued Danks as much as KW did, he decided to keep him, and actually sign him to what looks like a pretty nice contract. Danks isn’t Jered Weaver or Verlander; I could be wrong, but his contract seems to slot in nicely. You now have a staff anchor for 5 years.
KW can’t draft for shit. The one or two picks he would get in the summer of 2013 if he let Danks walk would probably be turned into another Lance Broadway and another toolsy outfielder trying to learn the game in Winston-Salem at 26.
I’ll take John Danks, thank you.
Boom! – Anger? – solved.
sideways smiley face
You didn't actually read why Tom said he was angry did you?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
get out of the way! he's riffing!
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Oh, I'm sorry - you guys provided all the opinion that matters.
my bad
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 22, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
You know, this is a blog, not a think tank
and no, I don’t read the entire internet before deigning to post.
Have a merry christmas, guys. I’m sure I said that wrong.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 22, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it's exactly like that
except this is a blog and I’m commenting in a comments string – something related to something said in the article, so I guess it’s nothing like that at all.
I do find it funny how you guys swarm over posts of mine, pretend I’m being random and whine about my attitude. Again, this is a baseball blog. You’re not saving lives. Back away from the frownie face emoticon.
Does Jim outline the correct level of reverence one should have when posting in his next White Sox Explorer magazine?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
"I don't understand what is so angering and confusing"
If you had read the next few sentences, you would have understood. You chose not to. This is what you were called out for.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
your comment was related to something said in the article.
when you heard MLK’s “i have a dream speech”, did you yell about how the jungian theory of dream is better than the freudian theory?
by larry on Dec 23, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, larry...
An SSS roundtable is exactly like a MLK speech, and my posting something that makes reference to an idea brought up is exactly like yelling out and interrupting an MLK speech.
You just get funnier and funnier. Whose civil rights are you fighting for, here, SABRmetricians?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand what is mother turkey and Kona.
KW shopped the principal of Christmas ham, nobody bit, so KW changed recipes.
Boom! – Mother Turkey? – solved.
Finding that nobody valued vacation as much as KW did, he decided to go himself, and actually go to what looks like a pretty nice beach. Kona isn’t Anaheim or Detroit; I could be wrong, but his vacation seems to slot in nicely. You now have a memory for a lifetime.
KW can’t book travel for shit. The one or two weeks off he would get in the summer of 2013 if he didn’t take this vacation would probably be turned into another Haitian fecal fest and another toolish Guillen trying to learn the travel agent game in Winston-Salem at 26.
I’ll take Hawaii, thank you.
Boom! – Kona? – solved.
by larry on Dec 23, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For an irritating, alcoholic, ADD "troll"
you guys sure get rattled by my infrequent, non-sensical posts.
Again, have a christmas.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
rattled? your shit is pure gold shit. so much material to rip on. you've already given me christmas.
Hey if you and other SABR-heads finally get equal rights
Use whatever you need. I too am sick of SABR people having to watch their own version of real baseball where Colby Rasmus is already an established superstar based on projections instead of the game the rest of us are privilidged to watch where we see Rasmus sucks, and will always suck.
Keep fighting the good fight larty.
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by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
come on dude.
did you happen to watch any baseball in 2010 when rasmus, as a 23 year old, was one of the best center fielders in baseball?
i know a lot about needing to calm down and you, sir, need to calm down.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
TF has said some legitimately funny stuff here before.
Then there are also times like this. Perhaps it’s the sauce.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 23, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
One day, you will be free
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
you couldn't spot a priest on a mountain of sugar.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
ah
it’s because they wear black.
by obnoxious american on Dec 24, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, larry...
An SSS roundtable is exactly like a MLK speech, and my posting something that makes reference to an idea brought up is exactly like yelling out and interrupting an MLK speech.
You just get funnier and funnier.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
a slightly different double post 40 minutes apart.
Have I done that before? I don’t think so… I think we’ve reached new post fail territory.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 23, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's like when a band releases different versions
Of the same album in the US and England.
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by TasteeFreeze on Dec 23, 2011 7:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I really find Tom's approach to blogging annoying
but his take here made perfect sense—you know, if you read the whole thing.
by Craig Grebeck on Dec 22, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
He's not/wasn't angry about the deal or the change of direction.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Eh forget the shuffle.
I prefer doing the Wiggle Man.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Fun, but not a challenge to get good at.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Anyone can do the shuffle
Learn the part where you jump high in the air, and land on your back.
Dave Martinez woulda had that.
larry, to misquote a former governor, you're f'ing gold, LOLOLOL.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions
Lets go!
@DKnobler
DKnobler
White Sox are giving $65 mill to 26-year-old. Hearing again that they could be in strong on 26-year-old Cespedes, too.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
go go go go!
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
That would be really exciting if that is true
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Dec 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe that's what Kenny meant by 'rebuild.' "Spend lots of money on new faces."
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The pig roasts at the Cell might draw fans.
Chicago, Once Again Hog Butcher to the World!
Nicely done gang
I, too, would love to see Cespedes in a White Sox uniform— I think he has a good chance of coming to Chicago, but I have a feeling another team (Jays maybe?) will end up overpaying for him.
Welcome back.
Fantastic top 50 albums of the year write up, by the way.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Thank you on both counts
I decided to stop lurking and get involved Q-Tip style.
by Can I Kick It? on Dec 22, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
How much more money do the Jays have?
They are obviously making a strong play, but they are far from a cash cow. They are re-branding themselves as Canada’s team with the maple leaf on the jersey and the red.
oh I've always hated Detroit and always will. it seems like almost every single game I went to as a kid
was against the Tigers.
NAOPOS
UG: I want to learn how to shuffle
Is this so you can pick up 13 year old girls at Middle School Mixers? (Did I do this right?)
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Dec 22, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
*furiously scribbles down notes on a yellow legal pad*
Got it. End with Asshole… I learn something new everyday!
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
Hate the Cubs and AL Central rivals
Really the only one that doesn’t annoy me is Cleveland, but I still hate them
According to Sickel's rankings
the number 3, 4, 6, and 9 prospects.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Wow...
That’s quite the haul. I wonder how KW feels now.
by Can I Kick It? on Dec 22, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Wishes Michael Lewis would write a book about him.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
probably pretty good because he told Rizzo to go fuck himself when he asked about Danks
and then extended Danks (in my world)
NAOPOS
from MLBTR
The Athletics will send Gio Gonzalez to the Nationals for right-handers A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, left-hander Tom Milone and catcher Derek Norris, ESPN.com’s Keith Law reports tweets.
Brad Pitt strikes again
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
The Natinals may be better than I thought more quickly than I thought.
(Happy dance).
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 22, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
natinals backwards is slanitan,
the new dance move I resolve to learn in 2012
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
Wonder no more.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=harper002bry
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
If they can get him then they should
Figure out the rest later. Maybe they do have an inside track or something we do not know about.
Rios to brewcrew per k0na and one scout ;p
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Is there any possible way to trade him?
What about Rios and 12 million to the M’s for figgins? A bad contract for another bad contract, but at least Figgins could be somewhat useful to us 3b/2b/OF.
by MinneapolisSoxFan on Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's basically the same as the Bradley-Silva trade.
Except Rios doesn’t have attitude pr—never mind. [rubs fingers together]
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
by mikecws91 on Dec 22, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe that's what Kenny meant by rebuilding
Getting rid of dead weight like Rios.
by Can I Kick It? on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
how reliable is Danny Knobler? Any idea?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Fairly reliable.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Brewers were my old choice
I had a friend that claimed the most dangerous part of Milwaukee was County Stadium during a summertime night game with the White Sox. I doubted that until I experienced it myself.
Mliwaukee very dangerous.
Some very nice people and some complete assholes.When they were still in the AL my cousin Nick would go for games and always end up in fights.I went five years ago with my sons to watch them play the Cardinals and had a drunken jerk behind us who I ended up having words with and who was eventually thown out.
In my youth twice involved in alterations in Miwaukee.One of these very bloody with several hospital visits.
The cops just said you should not have been there.
My advice stay home.
milwaukee tailors are notorious for their sloppy pin work.
by Trooper on Dec 23, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
in their defense, the kid wouldn't hold still.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Dec 23, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Logan Morrison tweeting Prince Fielder to Seattle
Just heard from my boy that Prince to Seattle is a done deal…
Wow. The AL West is not screwing around.
That is going to be a fun division to watch.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
it isn't for real until mlbtraderumors runs with it
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
When doves cry
Purple Rain & When Doves Cry are going to sound unbelievable this summer under the lights at Century Link Field
i was thinking our little drinking round table would have been good for that
for an incredibly limited demographic, but still, pretty much non-stop white sox talk for 3+ hours in december? whilst drinking? sign me up.
by e-gus on Dec 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's something I'd be game for.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i'm in. but id have to be introduced with some dr. feelgood.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
u-god and u-ges
anybody see these “two people” in the same room at the same time?
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
Why? Gio got us value too.
Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez, AND Jhonny Nunez!
seriously though
if one of the editors were feeling extra-sado-masochist this evening he could submit an article about Gio’s path thru the majors.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 22, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Least favorite team(s)
1. Yankees ..their fans can suck it
2. Red Sox ..yet again can’t stand their fans(both personal experience)
3. Cubs ..old habits die hard..though I’ve felt kind of bad for them of late.
I hate the twins, tigers, indians, a's, orioles, yankees, mets, angels, cubs, red sox, cardinals, phillies and royals
and I can’t really help it
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Wow, that's pretty much team for team my list. Sub the Marlins for the Phillies and boom.
Obligatory: I always knew we’d end up together joke.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 23, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
those are good.
i’d add in the blue jays, orioles, devil rays, marlins, rangers and mariners.
and the padres for that peavy thing.
by obnoxious american on Dec 23, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
I hate every team with the exception of the Nippon Ham Fighters
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
I don't hate the Cubs
because it would be like taking a crap on some orphaned Haitian children living in tents and dying of cholera.
Let's do it!
Let’s win the World Series!!!
PROS: Why not
CONS: No cosns
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