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Minoso denied, and this better not be the reason why

A feature in The Sporting News from 1962 also oversimplifies Minoso.

Like every other Cooperstown snubbing he's suffered, Minnie Minoso took Monday's Golden Era ballot rejection in stride, saying, "Even it hurts on the inside, I will always be smiling on the outside."

But that's part of the problem! At least if I can understand Dan McGrath's point correctly, anyway.

I linked to his column on NYTimes.com on Sunday, where I noted I was thrown off by the end of it. He'd spent the first 85 percent of his column building Minoso's case, but dismissed it with his last sentence because of this:

Bill Veeck owned the Indians when they signed Minoso in ’48. He brought him back to Chicago in 1960, after buying the White Sox, one of several dubious trades that mortgaged the future of the ’59 pennant winners. Veeck loved Minnie, but using him as a prop in some of his stunts, like pinch-hitting him as a 54-year-old (or a 58-year-old) in 1980, no doubt diminishes his ballplayer bona fides.

Can you imagine the fierce warrior Jackie Robinson or the defiantly proud Roberto Clemente going along with such a gag? But that was Minoso, almost childlike in his love for the game.

Cooperstown? I’m not seeing it, and I’m sorry to say it.

I re-read these paragraphs several times in an attempt to fully comprehend this twist, and every pass turned an increasing amount of my confusion into disgust.

Star-divide

Specifically, this part:

Can you imagine the fierce warrior Jackie Robinson or the defiantly proud Roberto Clemente going along with such a gag? But that was Minoso, almost childlike in his love for the game.

Let's list everything that's wrong with this.

No. 1: Where is it stated that one minority ballplayer is required to act like others, besides The Handbook to The 1950s?

No. 2: Jackie Robinson was hired as a draw when he was the GM for the "Brooklyn Dodgers" of the ill-fated Continental Football League, as Larry noted. Willie Mays was a greeter at a casino. Hell, so was Mickey Mantle, if you want to eliminate the race component. Back then, it wasn't unusual for famous players across all skin colors and sports to do unusual things to stay in the limelight after their athletic careers ended.

No. 3: Clemente doesn't have any of these "blemishes" on his legacy, mostly because he died in a plane crash at age 38. It's pretty difficult to compare Minoso's after-career to a guy who never had one.

No. 4: Wait, how did Clemente even get involved? I can just barely understand bringing Robinson into the equation -- pioneer peers and all -- but what's the point of bringing up a player for whom Minoso blazed a trail?

This wouldn't be the first time a comparison to Clemente hasn't benefited Minoso, though. Clemente stands out for being himself and expressing the full range of human emotions when the mostly white press only wanted to see a couple. Throw in his humanitarian efforts -- including the one that claimed his life -- and it's easy to see why his legacy looms large, and why Ozzie Guillen calls him "the Jackie Robinson of Latin baseball."

But when Minoso broke into the majors, he was basically on his own. Clemente used the word "double minority" to describe the black Latino ballplayer, due to color and language barriers. In his biography, Orlando Cepeda recognized Minoso's efforts:

Believe me when I say that Minnie Minoso is to Latin ballplayers what Jackie Robinson is to black ballplayers. As much as I loved Roberto Clemente and cherish his memory, Minnie is the one who made it possible for all of us Latins. Before Roberto Clemente, before Vic Power, before Orlando Cepeda, there was Minnie Minoso. Younger players should know this and offer their thanks. He was the first Latin player to become a superstar.

If you read about the initial discussions between Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson, the focus isn't on Robinson's ballplaying ability, but rather his ability to handle the massive amount of garbage that would come his way. Minoso faced those challenges. He succeeded immensely, and in the process, he gave the next generation of Latin ballplayers, including Clemente, a strong foundation to improve upon.

Sadly, neither Robinson nor Clemente lived long enough to see Minoso return to the White Sox in 1976 and 1980, although McGrath somehow knows how disappointed they would be. That's a helluva trick.

Minoso's legacy is a rich one. It also has a quirk that should be awesome at best and innocuous at worst. Alas, it can apparently be twisted into some kind of shaming device.

Which reminds me...

No. 5: If I'm reading it right, McGrath is essentially punishing Minoso for liking baseball. This'll teach him.

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the man who wrote this garbage heads a high school

If I was a parent of a St. Leo student, I would be calling McGrath’s office asking why he thinks such ignorant bullshit is acceptable to spout in public.

by asinwreck on Dec 5, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

excellent write-up jim

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 5, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better

Well done, Jim. Rec’d so hard.

Ranting about all sorts of things that are on my mind in 140 characters or less

by chisoxfan1473 on Dec 5, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

excellent

this guy is a goof.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 5, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

I *thought* that was a loaded word.

But a few Google searches didn’t turn up a true reference point.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 5, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

does it need a reference point (e.g. wiki) though?

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 5, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

I just wasn’t 100 percent positive, and when it comes to these kinds of topics, I’d rather be as certain as possible before using it against him.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 5, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

McGrath's favorite movie is 'Birth of a Nation'?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 5, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

"house n-word". Served Ernie well enough.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

childlike love of the game is just plain condescending

i don’t know if it’s racist, but … let’s see the pukes who write stuff like that play ball. most of ‘em couldn’t wipe up a big leaguer’s spit.

by ruffster on Dec 5, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Like it was said in the earlier thread

Minoso will get in the Hall after he dies and it won’t get near the public slobbering that Santo got

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by HawkeyeBoiler on Dec 5, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

Santo stayed in the public eye and had stat heads campaigning for him for years.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to be pissed about this vote for a while.

Yes, Santo was a worthy player. But dammit, so’s Minoso. And he’s still fucking alive to enjoy the moment.

But I feel like McGrath represents a lot of people’s opinions. A lot of people’s stupid, stupid opinions.

by Titan52 on Dec 5, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

Dan McGrath, from July 2011, on "the writers’ proper role"
Absent guidelines from the Hall of Fame Board of Directors, voting members of the Baseball Writers Association will make the call on whether three of the most dominant, decorated players in baseball history are Hall of Fame-worthy. That’s a guardian-of-the-game responsibility that seems to go beyond the writers’ proper role. Do they truly know who juiced and who didn’t? Does anyone?

Yes. Bonds juiced. He was breaking homerun records when his career should have been in decline. I guess McGrath missed the publicity surrounding 70+ homeruns. It was more than a couple games.

link

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Dec 5, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

His career path actually follows the McGwire jealousy story pretty well.

Being one of the greatest players in baseball but losing the spotlight to a less talented guy who hit more home runs in 1998. Getting injured in 1999 and coming back in 2000, only to have arguably the greatest four-year stretch in baseball history 2001-2004, his age 37-40 seasons.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Dec 5, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Now I'm worried for Frank

They’re going to hold Un-D-Nyable Entertainment and Big Hurt Beer against him.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 5, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if Frank got in easily

The DH stuff is going to hurt him in the eyes “purists”.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I just expect the fact that he DH’d to “diminish” him in the eyes of the voters….

by hitlesswonder on Dec 5, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

Very this.

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by Hazymania on Dec 5, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

your offense is only good as your bullpen

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep (HOF point).

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think HOF criticism is one of those areas where baseball gets flak just because it's baseball

I’m sure there have been some fringy choices for the Pro Football HOF, but I don’t recall people being bothered by it the way they are about baseball. But in baseball it’s an affront because of whatever mystical public trust people imagine around the game.

by Titan52 on Dec 5, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The HOF voters rival HOA board members when it comes to entitlement.

Wanna know why “legendary” players did a lot of stupid shit for a buck after they retired?

BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T MAKE ANY MONEY WHILE THEY WERE PLAYING BASEBALL!

The writers view baseball through this haze where baseball players didn’t make money, got jobs during the off-season, or bid competitively for their services. That’s good. But doing things to supplement your income after you retire? That’s bad.

That’s also bullshit.

Minnie did goofy things for Bill Veeck, Willie Mays was banned from baseball for being a casino greeter, great actors from TV’s golden age were guest stars on the Love Boat.

The lesson for you big league players who are on the bubble…spend a couple of decades in the booth. Ron Santo may have played the role of addled ex-jock on the air, but he was a savvy businessman in real life…and he knew that the power of WGN TV and Radio were a tremendous asset.

As for Minnie…Cooperstown would be nice. But he had a long-line of well wishers at the clubhouse sale on Saturday, and that included fans who are young enough to be his great grandchildren. That’s a pretty good legacy too.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Joe DiMaggio sold coffee makers.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

But he was a Yankee during the Greatest Years of Our Lives (TM)

Mickey Mantle was a fall down drunk, and a first-class scumbag. He got the lifetime pass for the same reason.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Joe D got the pass for boinking MM.

Or maybe that’s just me.
;-)

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's a criterion

Shouldn’t Bill Melton be in the Hall for his “time” with Barbara Eden?

That is, if WU’s stories from White Sox fantasy camp are to be believed….

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

MM was a goddess. Barbara Eden only played a genie on tv. Now if you want to talk Xena...

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You still employed? I heard they made some changes.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

They changed the call letters. It's a bad day to be a W or an N

I’m fine.

My daypart is doing pretty well. We’re picking up audience with no outside promotion. We can isolate the ratings by day and hour. We’ve come close to ’BBM several times…and we outdrew them several times during the Thanksgiving weekend.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Cool. For you personally.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

They are small steps. But it’s a sign that people are starting to realize we exist. The ads start in a couple of weeks.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I tried it a couple of times and never went back. Not enough you to make up for the rest.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, im not in the car at that time of day

i know mrs. e-g has it in her rotation on both commutes though.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 5, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit...the first six weeks were horrible

I don’t blame you. They hired a bunch of experienced news/talk people and asked us to be Oprah. Turns out only Oprah can be Oprah.

Did a complete course correction around October 1st.

Now it’s a lot like the old WMAQ.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Dec 5, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll try again. Thx.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

not to mention all the "fantasy camps" these guys go to annually

my preacher threw out Lou Brock at the Card camp last year… on a grounder to 2nd.

Hey Jim— maybe we should make a list of all the stuff HOF’ers have done for a few bucks after they retired. Got a good start on it in this thread.

by ruffster on Dec 5, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

burn it down

Hall of fame that is, they tried to set one up here for football and no one gives a shit about it, that’s because we can appreciate what players have done in the past without giving them some arbitrary award.

by hoodlight on Dec 5, 2011 5:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I dunno.

Kinda on the fence about that. The guys I grew up seeing don’t need to be HOF members for me to know they were great. But the guys I never got to see? Without the HOF, all I have to go on are leaderboard stats from fangraphs, baseball-reference, etc. I think it’d be cool to go to Cooperstown someday.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 5, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

excellent point

I myself am dying to go there. I love baseball history.

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 5, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough to explain HOF to people here.

Because no such thing exists. I think Cooperstown is a great historical keeper of the game (without which, Jim couldn’t write his fine articles about past Sox players.). However the the HOF idea can get carried away (Rock-n-Roll HOF, Cowgirl HOF, many more I don’t care to mention.). While these can be trivial, the Baseball HOF seems more like a historical museum for me. And if you think of it that way, then more good players should get in. In other words, HOF voters are a bunch of turds for waiting so long for Santo and eventually Minoso.

by ParisSox on Dec 6, 2011 12:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, it's the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.

It’d probably be better to switch the order, because the museum is really the more crucial part.

That said, upstate NY is the king of HOFs. Within two hours’ drive of me, we have: Baseball, basketball, boxing, dance, horse racing, harness racing, professional wrestling and US soccer. Might be more.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 6, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

National Italian-American Sports Hall of Fame

is one I remember from driving on the Kennedy (I-90?) out to the burbs. It’s in Arlington Heights I think.

by ParisSox on Dec 6, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm fascinated by this idea

so many questions ..
Horse racing and harness racing are separate HOFs?
Dance – All dance types? Have they progressed to include “hip-hop”?
Professional Wrestling – which kind?
US Soccer – Alexi Lalas?

by ParisSox on Dec 6, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Dmcgrath@chicagonewscoop.org. (if you want to ask him to explain himself.

Dan McGrath brings three decades of journalism experience to the Chicago News Cooperative, including more than 12 years as sports editor, associate managing editor and senior writer for the Chicago Tribune. Before joining the Tribune, Dan worked for newspapers in Freeport, Ill.; Reno, Nev.; Sacramento, Calif.; San Francisco; Philadelphia; and New York. While he has worked most of his career in sports, he also has been a media critic, national correspondent, metro columnist and book reviewer. Sports sections that he has edited have won more than a dozen top-10 awards from the Associated Press Sports Editors Association. He was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for spot news coverage in 1992 and for commentary in 1993. A Chicago native, he is the co-author or editor of five books on the city’s sports teams, including the best-selling “Out of the Blue” on the 2003 Chicago Cubs.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

Btw, emailed Dan to point him to this thread. Even if he doesn't post here, he can certainly find Jim's email addy.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick question:

I know I’m old and feeble so may have missed the answer:
Santo clearly deserved the vote. Is it that clear that Minnie did? Besides the pioneer aspect?
I think Bill James ranked Santo as 6th best 3B ever. Where did Minnie rank? Is the “slight” as egregious?

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions  

Btw, Minnie was my favorite player when I was a kid. But still asking...

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

As part of the campaign the Sox had a great statistical look at him

Between that and looking at the “appearances on leaderboards” part of his B-R page, I came away feeling like he’d have to be on the short list for best non-Mantle player in the AL in the 50s. Which has to count for something.

by Titan52 on Dec 5, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

So yeah, I'd say he's a Hall of Famer.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 5, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I recall Jim's friend Neyer saying "Hall of Very Good", but James assessment is fine.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

But wait!
So in the absence of real support for guys like Buzzie Bavasi (who’s on the ballot) and Bill James (who was not), I suspect our energies might best be applied to Miñoso. I’ve gone back and forth on him over the years, and just this fall I concluded that he fell just a bit short. But lately a lot of smart people have been writing about Minnie, and now I’m back on the other side. If you believe that baseball’s color line cost him two or three (or more) seasons in the majors, he’s got a great case. If you believe that his efforts allowed a number of Cuban players to play in the majors in the 1960s — and argument I’ve seen, though not explored in depth — that’s another marker.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/5/2612659/ron-santo-bert-blyleven-hall-of-fame-who-to-support-next

by Jim Margalus on Dec 5, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I remembered his fall column conclusion. I guess a guy can change his mind, right?

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you. 10th best LF is good enough for me.

I always thought an arbitrary decade was cherry picking, but this works.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

beat me to it

f that committee

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 5, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent. Bookmarked, thanks.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

thats the literature they gave us at the forum

i dint realize it was online too, I should have linked to it.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 5, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Pete Rose?

He will get in posthumously too, I suppose.

by oahu420 on Dec 5, 2011 6:32 PM CST reply actions  

No odds. No logic.

That’s just how they roll.

by oahu420 on Dec 5, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was Pete, I'd take the under.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 5, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose that would work

his ban is for life, not for eternity.

by coffeepac on Dec 5, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not Catholic?

Huh.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

my mistake

the ban is for keeps. I thought that calling it a ‘lifetime ban’ meant only for the duration of his life.

by coffeepac on Dec 5, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

No. You can't gamble on baseball. Period.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 5, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

putting someone in posthumously...

I just don’t like it. Vote the guy in when he’s alive. If you don’t vote him in when he’s alive, and you vote him in when he’s dead, are you really able to honor him? It’s not like giving someone the congressional medal of honor posthumously. The man was eligible for years and you didn’t vote him in. He’s the same guy, same stats 20, 30, 40, 50 years later.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 5, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If nothing else, it's good for the family.

Being a Hall of Famer adds value to that player’s estate.

But for the people involved, it’s still mostly disheartening.

by Jim Margalus on Dec 5, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Kenwo

Francona has signed with ESPN for next season. I think that is a wash on our bet?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

He doesn't pay anyway.

At least you don’t owe anything.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 6, 2011 6:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Tell Me More

Bill Melton and Barbara Eden?

by WBWSF on Dec 5, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

Cowleys latest article has a logical inconsistancy

Normally I would comment on him but in his article he says ozzie was sentenced florida by the white sox but then quotes Ozzie (still perpetuating the lie) that he was a free agent and could have gone anywhere. I picture Ozzie and Cowley in a Dallas hotel room, drunk, developing this article. I regret feeling compelled to comment on this and win’t give a link, you know where to find it.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 5, 2011 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

Cowley and a logical inconsistency?

Nooooooo, never.

Seriously, Rhub… the man is a walking logical inconsistency.

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by Hazymania on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I really don't understand why he thinks that we are infatuated with the marlins.

i never cared for guillen. but i don’t care what the marlins do. i’ve liked the marlins ever since the bartman game. hell even before that. i thought they were cool for having chuck hough pitch the first game in their history. good for them! i like seeing teams step up and make signings.

but cowley and his kids drive me nutsy on twitter. i know i shouldn’t follow them. then, ozzie jr. who i’ve always liked… but is starting to sound like a turd like the rest of them… claims that he will be at sox fest. why?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Because Cowley himself is infatuated with Ozzie

Cowley has no connections within the White Sox anymore. He has to write about Ozzie and the Marlins. If you have seen his attempts at writing other sports (he even tried to write about the Hawks) you would realize how screwed he is.

Did anyone catch Ozzie on the MLB network last night? It was weird to see him talking about another team, it was weird seeing him and knowing he isn’t the manager of our team. He was dressed very south beachish, no idea if he took his talents down there with him. The guy won us a World Series and I will never forget that. I know you have said you would not be surprised to see him come back in some facet at some point, and I would agree, in his heart he is a White Sox, no matter how hard he is trying to deny it now.

Anyways, unfollowing Cowley was a good decision for me. After his comments about Japan right after quake I just couldn’t take him anymore. I knew he was a huge fucking sociopath dbag, but only a total piece of shit with no soul would make a comment like he made.

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

It takes a very brave thing to do what Minoso did.

Very few people have the ability to overcome adversity like he faced with a smile on his face. The entire game of baseball is better today because of him.

I am sure many of us have met him, especially those of us who live in the area. I have an autographed helmet in my room right now. I am actually thinking of giving it to my soon to be born niece/nephew.

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2011 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

Does your helmet look like this?

;)

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 7, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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