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The #WhiteSox have acquired RHP Nestor Molina from the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for RH reliever Sergio Santos.

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NESTOR!

Please find Jay Cutler some help...

by Jbasic89 on Dec 6, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Yup.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/11/30/2601596/toronto-blue-jays-top-20-prospects-for-2012

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 6, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

for the lazy
2) Nestor Molina, RHP, Grade B+: Ranking the Blue Jays pitching prospects is quite difficult. Although Molina hasn’t received as much press as some of the other guys, his performance was impeccable, I think his stuff is underrated, and he’ll get to the majors sooner than the others. Despite his season, he is still underrated by a lot of people.

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm happy with the return.

Not too thrilled about the now implied rebuilding.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Crain is handed the reins.

Provided he is still here. I thought he was who we would send North.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

scrolling down on that thread sickels said he relied on stats and scouting

but thinks that the scouting is underrating his stuff

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

no kidding

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

this

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

for this year maybe

right?

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

your link seems to be busted

or the tweet was retracted maybe?

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

well, that sucks

maybe coop wasn’t high on him?

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

or they love molina

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 6, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

MDGonzales Mark Gonzales
Marco Paddy signed Molina and recommended position change

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

woah

didnt see that coming

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE

by e-gus on Dec 6, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

Good, lets do this.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

throwing matches

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't it a relief?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine with it

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Enough in between

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like this trade at all.

Sergio wasn’t a high salary guy ($1 mil this year) and was under control until 2016.

Nester Molina is a borderline prospect since he’s in A ball. He won’t be ready for 3 or 4 years. This is

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by Kyle321N on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

isn't he scheduled to be an unrestricted FA in 2012?

i googled that

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He's only been in the league for 2 years, so the Sox have Arb rights on him.

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by Kyle321N on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Amazing strikeouts

Power pitchers sometimes have arm troubles though. I wonder how long until hes up, hes been in the jay’s system since he was 18.

by dasox313 on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

molina isn't really a power pitcher.

and your post should read: Power pitchers sometimes have arm troubles though.

by larry on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

I just hope Molina stays healthy and makes it to the big league level.

by dasox313 on Dec 6, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No chance this is a trade chit?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for your time and story here, Sergio. Best of luck in Toronto (maybe I'll see you this weekend!)

Let’s see what other dominoes fall today.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

Wow

I actually like it. I don’t think Santos is the fit for long term closer. Molina looks good. Well its a rebuilding year now.

by dasox313 on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

We wee lucky with Santos good move.

Now lets pry Teheran from Braves

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

well, at least he's still in the american league. the throng that show up for him at angels games just need new shirseys.

and don’t have to go all the way up to chavez ravine.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder if this isn't a case of...

Kenny realizing that a “closer” isn’t that valuable per se, and now having a manager who won’t fight him on that front?
I know the money was manageable, even cheap. But didn’t Sergio intimate a sense of entitlement at some point last year? Saying that he’d earned the “position”? Maybe that plays into it too.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

but did ozzie really fight him on that front in practice?

ozzie was less conventional that most managers when it came to the bullpen and ‘closers’

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not, but I thought he was also into defined roles?

Anyway, just thinking out loud. Not a statement of fact.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

i know

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mind trading a closer

Chances are we won’t need one, just hope the return was fair. Blue Jays gm certainly seems to know what he’s doing up there.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 6, 2011 12:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Some guy on Molina
1. RHP Nestor Molina — This is the only place you’ll see Molina as Toronto’s No. 1 prospect. Sorry, folks, but I’m believing my own eyes and ignoring the grossly inaccurate scouting reports. The 22-year-old was Verlander-like in Double-A, dominating hitters to the tune of a 13.5 strikeouts/9 innings. Awesome stuff. Fastball (92-94-mph), devastating split, changeup. Pitching coach Pete Walker told me his stuff is “as good as I’ve seen at this level.” Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus once tweeted, “Not a ton of stuff, a finesse type without much upside.” Um, no.

I’ll take it, guy with a blog!

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 6, 2011 12:09 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think it is safe to assume

Molina is easily the #1 prospect in our system now.

by dasox313 on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

Plus that guy’s (Kevin Gray, NH Union-Leader) report is the most glowing you’ll find. Some people are tepid about Molina’s ceiling. I don’t think you can ignore the peripherals, though you have to take them with a large grain of salt given that he’s not been tested much.

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Mark Gonzales tweeted a Kenny quote

“This is the start of a rebuilding.”
Interesting.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

i agree, but when have you ever heard Williams actually say it?

And Garfien has KW saying, "We’ll probably keep the rest of the starting pitching intact.’’

Au revoir, Thornton?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, probably the end for Thornton.

It was proved in money ball that you can make bullpen guys out of any pitcher, so trading away bullpen pieces might not be the worse thing that could happen. (Please don’t trade away Konerko)

by dasox313 on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Good news.

If Santos is going out (and as a cost-contained closer, there certainly is a market for him), there ought to be no illusion about contending next year. Now the question is whether Williams can translate Floyd, Quentin, and Danks into useful parts of the next good Sox team.

by asinwreck on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

Huh? The Sox have some excellent BP arms. Why does this mean no contention?

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

If he moves Santos, why wouldn't he be moving more?

Given the dead weight on the payroll, why would he move a cost-controlled closer unless there was intent to reload the farm system?

Amusing note: Toronto had Molina as an infielder and moved him to the mound in 2008. Fitting guy to get for Santos.

by asinwreck on Dec 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe because he's a mouthy kid who whined about a defined role...

and then sucked for a week after getting it.

Right now, they have 3 other guys who can “close”.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yep

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Santos was a SS with the Jays at one point as well.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Well if this ain't a mobius strip!

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hee-hee.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

less, amusingly, the sox have announced their intention to re-convert molina.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 6, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

sox scouting thoughts.

Buster Olney
CWS’s scouts view of Molina: Potentially a front-end-rotation guy. 4-pitch mix with great command. Plus makeup and athleticism, as well.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

The return seems light.

The closer’s market is quite interesting as we’ve seen (Papelbon, Bell), and Sergio is signed to a very friendly deal with reasonable buyout options once he gets bigger bucks. Molina’s numbers are gaudy, but this is his first year as a full-time starter and we don’t have much of a sample in AA.

I think KW should have negotiated more considering how deep the Jays system is.

by 3E8 on Dec 6, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Psht. Kenny never gets maximum value.

Just ask KenWo ;-)

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 6, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, KW did ok on the Lee trade...right?

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

this is the kind of thread I can dig

Q~ is gonna be pissed!

White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.

by greenlight on Dec 6, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

I think the 5.22 ERA after his intial scoreless 20 inning scoreless streak scared KW smewhat.

BTW, not saying that ERA is all that important of a metric but I’ll take the young B+ starting pitcher prospect over a fungible closer any day.

This space is available.

by MrBungle on Dec 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

Right now I like it, the Sox have other options to take the reigns of an overrate BP role

However, I am not going to pretend I am nearly as well versed on these type of things as some others around here.

by 815Sox on Dec 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

thanks

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

what do you think of this btw?

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry to see Santos go

but my initial reaction to this type of pitcher is yes I like it. I definitely like his control numbers

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Baseball America editor on Score said they had Molina ranked 18th in Toronto org

but he immediately becomes #2 or #3 in White Sox org behind Addison Reed.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

18th? holy fuck. that can't be right.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 6, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

seems like the opinion is varied on the guy

but don’t the White Sox often do pretty good with under the radar pitching prospects?

by 815Sox on Dec 6, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

that is what they said.

the blue jays have a very, very deep system but that’s quite the pessimist’s ranking.

by larry on Dec 7, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Sickels gave the Jays 17 B- or better prospects and four borderline after that

and still shocked a few people with omissions, the Jays system is stupidly deep and there is no-one that truly stands out from the pack after D’Arnaud, so you have a bunch of 20 or so prospects that are all interchangeable. Molina is good, he has a short track record though as he’s still being stretched out to a full starters load. Given that, his place in that bunch of 20 is going to fluctuate a lot.

I really wouldn’t worry about it too much.

by TtD on Dec 7, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

yes.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

This guy would probably be late 2012 if he progresses through system and if we end up trading Danks/Floyd now or midseason

Probably 2013 if everything progresses nicely

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Blech

If you want to rebuild, fine. But I’m tired of Kenny trading players with value for players only he thinks will bust out. Sickels is fine, but I’ll go with the pro in Goldstein who pegged Molina as a fringe pitcher. The BA 18th ranked player in Toronto for Santos is a horrible trade.

Can’t wait to see what junk they get for Q and Danks.

Also, they should do Konerko and give him away to whatever team he wants to go to…he didn’t sign up to finish his career amid suckage.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 6, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

yowza! or was this sarcasm?

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

haha, totally, wtf?

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 6, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

neither has ever seen molina pitch.

i exchanged emails with someone who has and who i trust. goldstein is wrong.

by larry on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

you don't have to reveal the source but can you give us the highlights....

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 6, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...that's good to hear

Maybe I just have post-Marquez stress disorder.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

So him ranking 2nd or 3rd in the White Sox system escaped you huh?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 6, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The would be 'doing' Konerko by keeping him around the way it sounds

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

ITE

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 6, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Callis from BA seemed to like him from what I heard on the radio at lunch.

Didn’t say he’d be an ace / top of the line starter, but said a number 3 was his ceiling, which isn’t bad.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 6, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take it

He could be a # 2 though….some are REALLY high on him

by JPSoprano80 on Dec 6, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't realize that Goldstein is always correct

The Sox should try really hard to hire the guy, it would be great to have a “pro” that never makes a mistake or ranks a player incorrectly.

by 815Sox on Dec 6, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Rebuilding

Really surprised Williams didn’t talk AA into giving him Teahen back.

by Chris Pummer on Dec 6, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Im really surprised you don't think everybody should be traded to the Yankees for nothing....

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 6, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops my bad

Mistaken identity. Thought you were another Chris.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 6, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

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