The end of Mark Buehrle and baseball childhood
As the pool of suitors for Mark Buehrle's services began to firm up a week or two ago, I started writing a post that would aim to dissuade him from taking any other offer, as if I had the power.
I wrote several paragraphs, but ended up deleting the post. It wasn't coming together -- not particularly insightful, nor particularly funny. Also, it dawned on me at one point:
I'm nearly as old as he is. But he makes more money in a year than I do in a lifetime. Maybe two. This premise is awful.
I'd lost the ability to relate to Mark Buehrle at this level. Well, that's not true. I never really had the ability to relate to Mark Buehrle at this level.
That's not particularly novel realization for me. As I went through college, taking out a loan and accumulating debt, MLB contract negotiations took on a different light. When I saw two parties arguing over a seven-figure sum, I started applying the "lowball" number to my finances and thinking, "Wait a minute..."
I don't begrudge players for making as much as they do. There's a lot of money in the game, and since it's never coming back to us, it has to go to somebody. Otherwise, Jerry Reinsdorf and his partners only get wealthier, and there's even less reward in that. So the players have a right to cash in -- it just changes the way I see them come and go.
Not this time, though. Buehrle's a Miami Marlin, and it's a total punch to the stomach. It took 11 years for me to feel compelled to assign a dollar value to him, and over that stretch, everything worked out really well for everybody. Ever since the Sox selected him in the 38th round of the 1998 draft, it's been one good turn after another.
Until now.
Let's go through his timeline to talk about timing.
He broke into the big leagues during a fun season in 2000 after speeding through the minors. He developed into a front-line starter the next season thanks in part to David Wells, which means he alone justified Wells' wholly miserable season in Chicago.
After the 2002 season, he rejected an extension, but after a rough, uneven 2003 -- he started off the season 2-10 with a 5.18 ERA -- he signed a team-friendly deal that ended up being four years and $27.5 million after the option was exercised.
Over that contract, he had a 19-win season (his career best), pitched a game in an hour and 39 minutes, rattled off 49 consecutive starts pitching at least six innings, started Game 2 of the World Series and saved Game 3. Suffice it to say, nobody ever complained that he was overpaid.
He also pitched a no-hitter in April of 2007, which turned out to be the lone team highlight in the final year of that contract. That his deal was on the verge of expiring led the Sox to entertain trade offers in July, and fans rallied on Buehrle's behalf. Nobody cared about money -- it was about justice. After watching Andy Gonzalez and Darin Erstad and Luis Terrero and Dewon Day fail to do their jobs, how could Sox fans be robbed of the one guy consistently worth watching?
Buehrle helped. He could've wrung more money out of the Sox by going to free agency, but he signed a below-market deal in July to stay in Chicago for another four years.
Over his second term, he anchored another playoff rotation, pitched the first White Sox perfect game since 1920 (thanks to one of the most incredible plays we'll ever see), set the record for most consecutive batters retired, won a Gold Glove, then pulled off one of the most incredible plays we'll ever see, which led to two more Gold Gloves.
And while his salary increased, everything else stayed the same. He earned his money no matter what he made. Just about every year, he'd shrug off reports of a spring injury to start Opening Day (nine out of 11 full seasons), and literally every year, he'd be good for 10 wins and 200 innings. Eleven straight years of double-digit victory totals, 11 straight years of 200 innings. No White Sox pitcher can match either streak.
His relationship with fans never changed, either -- except for Kenny Williams banning from using the tarp as a Slip 'n' Slide. He caught four out of five ceremonial first pitches, he signed thousands of autographs, he answered every question (sometimes too honestly), and I can't say I've ever heard a bad word said about him. Buehrle appeared to enjoy every part of his job.
Now, add it all up. In many ways, we got the best live-ball pitcher White Sox fans have ever seen. We got to watch him for more than a decade. And personally or professionally, money never got in the way until now.
Were we lucky, or what?

For me, it lined up perfectly. 2000 was the summer before I went to college, and I saw his first-ever start at Comiskey Park (against Kansas City; he picked off Mark Quinn). 2001 and 2002 were the last summers I spent in Chicago. Even when I went to college, it was in Missouri, where I met people whose families knew his family somehow, and could vouch for their down-to-earthness. It was just enough time -- and the right window of time -- for Buehrle to work his way into the dwindling space in my brain devoted to unadulterated fandom.
That part of my brain closed today, probably forever. Unless somebody happens to give my car a jump in a frozen parking lot or saves my kid's life or something, it's hard to imagine getting attached to a player in the same way. I'm a man. I'm 29.
For instance, I have pretty good fan history with Dayan Viciedo. In his otherwise disappointing 2009 season, I saw him go 4-for-5 in a game in Zebulon, N.C., and the way the ball jumped off his bat put me squarely on his bandwagon despite a fair amount of evidence to the contrary. I happened to be in Washington when he was called up. My sister-in-law worked her way through the crowd to get him to autograph our ticket stubs, which now commemorates the date of his first big-league hit. The third time I saw him in person, he hit his first major-league homer.
I'm pulling for him, big-time. But as invested as I am in his success, if I heard he was traded, my first response would be, "Wait -- for what?"
When I saw Ken Rosenthal's tweet -- even with its surprisingly enormous dollar figure -- my only thought was, "Shit."
It was my only thought for a good five minutes. And it keeps coming back.

I mostly root for decisions now. I root for White Sox players to make good decisions, for White Sox management to make good decisions, for the White Sox marketing department to make good decisions. If all of those things happen, we as White Sox fans benefit. I'm essentially rooting for us, because it makes more pragmatic sense than anything. It gets me through years like 2007 and 2011, that's for sure.
If I could evaluate Buehrle in that mindset, I'd probably say that there was no way around it. Four years is a lot for Buehrle, and $14.5 million can be spent more effectively elsewhere. If the Sox are truly rebuilding, Buehrle's help wouldn't be nearly help enough.
But had the Sox came up with $58 million, I would have celebrated, because I would have been glad to have that feeling back. Maybe I would have tried to rationalize it, or maybe I would have simply written, "THIS MAKES LITTLE SENSE BUT I DON'T CARE! WOOOOOOOOOOO!" That's what I would have been thinking, although it's a few O's short.
Alas, I don't get to write that, and in the words of Kenny Williams, "it sucks." More than that -- it is going to be brutal to see him in another uniform. Especially in that awful abortion of a uniform. Whatever you do, don't go to his MLB.com page.
Give it some time -- like, when he stops pitching for another team -- and I bet I'll get over it. I'll be glad I got the chance to watch Buehrle's White Sox career, and in the manner I got to witness it. There are far worse ways for pure fandom to die, but few better players to use it on.
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One of the best - and easily the saddest - posts I've ever read on this site.
But you’re right. We were lucky as fans to watch him.
Thanks for everything, Mark.
by mylittlewindmill on Dec 7, 2011 9:09 PM CST reply actions
great write up Jim, perfectly sums up everything
and everyone’s feelings….we were all force-fed a giant shit sandwich today and couldn’t do a damn thing about it.
ozzie got the best of KW
come to the treeouts you big dumb bitch.
Very eloquently put, sir.
Thanks. But really, I got attached to Buehrle in my 40’s. There is still hope for you to reclaim your innocence. Stay open to the possibility, and you’ll enjoy it when it happens.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
that's the thing though.
i’m older than most of the people on here (but you’re stil way older than me!). i was in my 30’s before buehrle joined the white sox. i don’t recall when i realized it but some time after his first few years, maybe on october 26th, 2005, i knew he was my favorite player. ever. and since i realized that i have only grown to like him more.
i had always thought that most people’s favorite player ever would be someone they watched in their childhood. i probably went through a lot of favorite players, from willie mccovey and willie stargell to chet lemon and pete rose. before buehrle came along, i’m not positive who i would have called my favorite player ever but it might have been joe morgan. (yes, i’m aware that he was not a particularly satisfactory announcer, but if you grew up in the 70’s and saw him play you would understand)
i guess i’m wondering if it’s common to find a player who is your all time favorite as an adult. i highly doubt i will ever come across a player that will surpass buehrle for me.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Dec 7, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
My favorite players are almost all since I became an adult
I think it’s mostly because I understand the game a bit better now, and the level of playing is clearly better too. We are living through another golden age. And we’ve been blessed to have a fairly competitive team for most of this time (As opposed to Royal or Pirate fans who have watched this era from the basement).
The more I think about this move for Mark, the more I wonder how much of a disaster this may be for the Marlins, esp. if no one shows up at the new park and with the SEC and other shenannigans that seem to be surrounding the sudden influx of $ from Jeffrey Loria…. Maybe we will get Mark back as a throw-in on the eventual LoMo trade. (It’s the only thing keeping me from crying again)
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
I think my appreciation of players is deeper as an adult
Part of that is just understanding more. But as I’ve grown and seen more, the distinctions in quality among players have become clearer.
I don’t love Buehrle as much as a lot of fans do. He wasn’t my favorite, but him moving on may have hit me more than any Sox transaction in my fan-life. There’s a perfect alignment of qualities that make him a guy I got attached to in a unique way. He’s the everyman pitcher. Low pick from a small school. Not a big guy, not a power arm, not “Johnny Conditioning Guy” without being Bartolo Colon. He comes off as a guy who just likes his job, his friends, his hobbies, and his family. A fun-loving guy without being a jackass. Likable but not a huge extrovert. All around supremely relatable. All that plus longevity with the Sox makes it nigh impossible to not get attached. If any of those qualities were different, I don’t think the intensity of people’s love of Buehrle would be nearly the same.
i think part of my point is that, generally speaking, i think your appreciation may be deeper as an adult
but your attachment is often greater as a kid because it is based more on feeling than understanding.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
somewhat unrelated
but me and mark are the exact same age, march 23 1979. so it’s kind of weird to think about relating to age and fandom.
by obnoxious american on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I still think your 'Before Blogs' post about Buehrle
is the best thing I’ve ever read on here. Nice job.
NAOPOS
Great read. In a lot of ways I feel the same.
Like I said over in the other thread, Buehrle is my favorite player. He’s such a joy to watch because of the way he is on and off the field, and he’s an encouragement to everyone out there who wants to succeed but doesn’t have the pure talent for it.
Seeing him in another uniform might make me sick the way Frank Thomas in Oakland made me sick, except probably worse because I didn’t really follow the Sox until the early parts of 2005. On the other hand, I think Paulie is the last guy on that team that could ever make me feel that way.
One minor correction I feel the need to make: Buehrle started Game 2 of the World Series, not Game 1.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
kinda rediculous
but right now the only “where were you moments” of my life that come to mind are 9/11 and mark buehrle’s perfect game
well i was in my parents basement
and a junior in highschool….less memorable circumstances than the perfect game because i was driving to a resort for my girlfriends bday and by the 4th inning i was going like 90 to make it in time to watch the last 4 innings
you put nicely into words the sadness I am experiencing
MB moving on means I am no longer the person I thought I was, frozen in the year 2000. In a single day I’ve aged eleven years.
White Sox 2012: Helplessly hoping.
by greenlight on Dec 7, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i'm lucky enough to have a lot of things that have kept me ageless over the years.
but this sure doesn’t fucking help.
by obnoxious american on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
All I can say is

The end of an era.. a face of the franchise going to don that ugly Rainbow Brite outfit….. Buehrle will be missed hardcore by this guy.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely, Jim.
Was looking for the words to express it. Probably the last player that I won’t value only in WAR and dollars.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
tell me about it

I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE
by e-gus on Dec 7, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
Waste Management, indeed.
;)
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
by winningugly on Dec 7, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
end of an era
i have 3 frames sox photos on the wall, along with the 2005 team pic and world series picture: buehrle, konerko, dye.
i kind of don’t get this— if we’re gonna suck next year, why can’t we suck with Buehrle? how does not having him make us suck less?
i know.. riosdunnpeavy.
this is a sad day. we don’t get jack crap back for him either.
For the thrills and ballsy play he gave us, I'm happy if he's happy, but...
I thought he wante to be a Cardinal? Did they lowball? I would think you’d take a bit of a discount to play for your dream team.
On the other hand, it is kind of fun to see Ozzie sticking it to Kenny.
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
It certainly feels like Ozzy got the best of KW.
I’ll be happy if MB wins every game by a passed ball or fluke play of some sort; Mark gets the win & OG gets no credit. FTMM & FOG. Yep, I’m bitter.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
/crying really loudly saying
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s gone…
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 10:48 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
what will i do with my buehrle jersey?!
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
I got my Quentin jersey ready to go
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ugh so sad
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Frame it
wear it forever, put it in a place of honor! I’m burning my Alex Rios jersey at the soonest possible moment.
NAOPOS
ooooh can i help you burn your rios jersey?
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
yay!
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 8, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
You've been saying that for a while now.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
You've said his name 49 times since first making the declaration.
Put up or shut up time is nigh.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Why on earth did you ever get a Rios jersey?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
rios did some good things in 2010
especially from the start. 20 homers 30 sbs… not bad
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
As a rule you should, at the very least, not purchase a jersey until the players "White Sox" career is over
Buehrle and Konerko are safe jerseys to own because their stories are mostly written. When I see people with Rios or Beckham jerseys I have to shake my head. The only jerseys I own are Nellie Fox and Fisk. I wasn’t even that big of a Fisk fan but I got a great deal on an 83’ knock off. Only Bears jersey I own is Payton. I still see Swisher jerseys at the park.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
This.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
dye was the mvp of the world series. there was nothing that made him not safe.
i saw griffey in a sox jersey one time. thats all i needed to make that purchase (plus it was 50 percent off after the season). I’m pretty liberal when it comes to jerseys though. i can’t even list all of the nfl ones i have. lets just say that i even have a cade mcnown (got it for 97 cents) and an A-train (5 bucks) haha
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Dye is fine, i was talking about present players
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
any 05 jersey is exempt
especially if it has the world series patch
i have an erik kramer bears jersey.
i wore it to a game one time with a friend in a rashaan salaam one.
I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE
Rios jersey
He thought it would be slimming?
I brought it at the very peak of his 2010 surge
In fact I think he went 4-4 that day I got it in early June.
NAOPOS
you own a Rios jersey?
wtf? I ripped up my Stephen Garcia jersey just before the Alabama game last year. You know what happened? He went on to have one of the best games of his life and SC upset #1 Alabama by two touchdowns.
Rip the goddamn thing up and burn it
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't work for Grossman following the 2008 game in Lambeau

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I didn't know Kyle Orton was willing to try voodoo.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
did you rip it up then burn it?
the ripping is crucial
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say put it up on Ebay
Somebody might buy it.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
I'm in for a dollar.
Keep it for a few (hundred) years and bust it out alongside my Owens jerseys, maybe. Gonna be a long while before people will laugh instead of throwing things, but I’ve got time.
by mechanical turk on Dec 7, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
i spent 120 dollars on it.
you’re crazy
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about blackoutsox' Rios jersey.
I didn’t scroll up enough.
by mechanical turk on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
/crying in a corner
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Watching you kiss her?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
huh?
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 9, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
It's a Robyn song.
The chorus of which goes, "I’m in the corner, watching you kiss her.’’
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 12, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I like how you ended up with multiple Owens jerseys.
Buy one, get two free?
by Jim Margalus on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
They were $5 or something at one of those garage sales.
Game worn!
by mechanical turk on Dec 7, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Also he must have been a lot bigger than I thought,
because I’m not a small person and even worn over a jacket and a sweatshirt I’m still swimming in those things.
by mechanical turk on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
He was still wearing it at the time.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I found a Castro jersey i almsot bought.
it was for jackie robinson day so it had the number 42 on it (42 is my favorite for kittle). i could have rocked that. usually there is no chance of one of those things fitting.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Speaking of jerseys that probably belong to other guys,
at that same sale I also bought a 14 jersey with no name on it. I don’t think the Sox have worn nameless jerseys since Konerko’s been around, which means it’s probably a Dave Martinez, Julio Franco, or Craig Grebeck.
by mechanical turk on Dec 7, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
it should probably tell you the year on the tag thing.
i knew the one i had was castro because it said 27 11 52
name, year, jersey size.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
clearly now is the time for me to buy one.
equally clearly, given the present circumstances, buying anything other than the black jersey would be wrong.
I have the black and the St. Louis All-Star.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
hmm i don't have a buehrle jersey i don't think.
konerko, griffey, thomas, dye, garcia, garland, thome
have jersey tshirts of podsednik, garland, beckham, alexei, thomas, thome, jenks
probably more than that.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i hated* konerko. and yes. i have the detroit all star jersey.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
the detroit all star game was in 2005
understandable you would like him in 2005 as well, but still, that means you had it before you changed your mind about him. Could Kenwo have a soft heart after all?
NAOPOS
he was still on my shit list at that time. i think i got the jersey from my dad.
i didn’t like the dude. i thought he was highly overrated early in his career. then he blew in 2003 and i wanted to choke him. then when the sox dumped lee and maggs after 04 and kept konerko i was not very happy to say the least. i forgave konerko for his sins during the 05 playoffs. we were then ok until 2008. all the bad feelings came back. sometime during 2010 i forgave him again.
sounds like one of WUs marriages.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You are judging someone on jersey choices?
You need to scroll up.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
my heart is in a state of dis
it’s going to be a long, cold winter
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
yeah a crappy winter
stop it CSNChicago!
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by pierzynskirules on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
And, sadly, no, you don't get your childhood back.
Once AJ and Paulie leave or retire, the book will definitely slam shut. At least for me, anyway. Even if they win it all again in my lifetime, the 2005 team, and some ancillary guys from 2008, will be what brings back the most fond memories for me. As you will see once you are an OPOS like me, it will be the personality, character and ability of a man to step up and even carry a team when called upon that you’ll remember.
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
You made the point, though.
How old were you in 2005? How do you feel every spring training? It all comes back. You are more resilient than you know. I’m looking forward to our next 38th round pick coming out of nowhere to earn our love and respect. It will happen.
That’s baseball. That’s White Sox baseball.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
by winningugly on Dec 7, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I will always love the Sox and going to Sox games
But, I just don’t get the same “warm and fuzzy” feeling from Alexei and Bacon, as I do for the guys who gave us the Big One in ‘05, you know what I mean? Even if they win it all in the next few years (or decades), we’ll still be talking about Buehrle’s save in the WS and Paulie’s grand salami. That drama will never be matched again.
The same happened for me with the Bears. I love watching them now, but the ’85 team will never be topped…in my OPOS opinion, anyway.
And…I was 42 in 2005 (sigh).
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
Wait.
South Side Hitmen, Winning Ugly team, 1993, 2000, WS champs. Every few years the Sox come up with a team, an identity, to capture the imagination. And we’ve never had something like Fernandomania or the McGwire/Sosa battle on the South side.
It’s going to happen.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
Let's keep the faith, brother. I'm not getting any younger.
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
ok, i am trying to think of a comparable situation in sox history
where we had a home-grown pitcher with this kind of record who just went away.
first thing that came to mind was tommy john. of course he wasn’t home grown but he sort of almost was, at least to me when i was 14. and we got dick allen for him.
billy pierce went to the giants in ’62 for eddie fisher et al. but i was 4 years old when that happened.
Jack McDowell.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Alex Fernandez.
Sox couldn’t pony up to keep him, and so he went to Florida when they went on a spending spree.
Hope it ends better for Buehrle. But worse for Florida.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 7, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
check this out
mcdowell 91 wins with sox
fernandez 79 wins with sox
total; 170.
Buehrle- 161
that give you a sense of the magnitude of what he’s meant to the sox.
by ruffster on Dec 7, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's the best pitcher in white sox history.
first kenny gives away our closer for 2012, then our world series closer of 2005.
I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE
did billy pierce save a game in the world series?
no.
the save didnt exist in 1959.
I DON’T KNOW I GOT IT FROM MY NEE-NAW WHEN I WAS BUT FIVE
personally i think he vultured that save.
Damaso had shit in control.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
After the final game of 2011, deep in the bowels of Comiskey...

"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
by tailgater on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
like chelios going to the wings?
just doesn’t seem right to see our guy on some other team
Chelios was a Canadien before he was a Blackhawk.
by Jim Margalus on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
ok, a fitting comp,,,
when hull signed with the stupid winnipeg jets. I still remember the picture of him with the gigantic check for a million bucks.
by ruffster on Dec 7, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
comparing hockey to this makes me sad.
by obnoxious american on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
my sentiments exactly.
savages.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
checking on chelios
we traded dennis savard for him.. but as least we got something for savvy
Thanks, Jim
My french wife knows nothing about baseball (she’s learning). But she knows Buehrle and “Paulie”. As luck would have it, the perfect game was a day game so we were watching it together. I explained the significance of what was happening as it was happening. She jumped up and down with me after the final out. And she’s sad today too. Buehrle is truly one of a kind.
i feel like this has all happened before.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Woke up this morning to find Mark is still a Marlin.
A day at a time.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
Thank you Jim...that was oustanding.
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completely irrelevant….but for some weird reason I thought you were in your 50s or 60s….not Buehrle’s age…
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Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Dec 8, 2011 6:03 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He only has one foot in the tarpits.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Dec 8, 2011 6:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
don't worry, he probably thinks you're in your 70's.
no telling how old he thinks wu is.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
No telling how old WU actually is.
They didn’t have numbers back then.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
by RWShow on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how much pausing are we meant to do while reading this comment?
i haven’t got all day.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still working on it, but I'll let you know as soon as I get to the end.
by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's called the Jofpian style
In real life I can put snakes to sleep.
Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!
by JofpGallagher on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 AM CST up reply actions
i'll tell you what is going to suck.
when konerko leaves the sox. He’s my sons favorite. going to be a bad conversation. i told him about buehrle and he said “paulie’s still a white sox right”.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I didn't get really into baseball until Buehrle came along, so for me,
he is the best White Sox player I have ever seen. Yes, I saw Frank have some monster years (okay, well, 2 of them anyway), but Buehrle has been my entire White Sox experience. You can always come home, Mr. Buehrle. Always come home to us.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 AM CST reply actions
Dear White Sox,
STOP giving away the players we love. Really, stop it. First you give away the one guy who stepped up and took on the closer role when no one else could handle it, and then excelled in it. And now…NOW…you let go the best pure baseball player we have? No, he isnt flashy, he isnt going to win Cy Young awards…but damn it, we love him. He shows up every day with a smile, goes out and does his job, supports his teammates, and does great things in the community.
Consider yourself warned.
-Me
Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian
Technically, Santos didn't 'excel' at being a closer, he was just better than the other
guys who we tried before hand. And Thornton you could chalk up to bad luck/Podsnoir.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
I hate this "consider yourself warned" rhetoric.
I’ve been seeing shit like this all over facebook. Does it suck that Buehrle’s gone? Yes. Of fucking course it does. But saying shit like “consider yourself warned” or “there will be repercussions” just makes you seem like CHESSFU or any other person who happens to be batshit insane.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
lol.
CHESSFU = Travis Bickle, Taxi Driver
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Him and everyone else who enjoys making vague internet threats.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Everytime I see a vague internet threat towards KW
I translate it to, “i will eat your lobster!”
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Jim, I feel exactly the same way.
We’re the same age (for another fifteen hours, anyway), and my reaction was similarly that the child-like love of a player would never happen again.
And then I thought about how much I loved Gordon Beckham right off the bat. Or how I feel about Jonathan Toews. Or Rex Grossman.
I’m with WU on this one – we can get it back.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
So it's Jim's birthday tomorrow?
Happy Birthday Jim!
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Excellent
An eloquent description of unadulterated fandom, especially in the face of how we try to analytically assign value to business decisions where the dollar amounts are so huge that they’re out of touch from the daily lives of most of us.
I’m a couple years older than Jim and Buehrle meant a lot to me for many of the same reasons. I don’t think he ever supplanted Frank Thomas as my favorite player. But it’s pretty close.
I’d have been happy if the Sox had given Buehrle whatever he wanted. Even though I know better.
I love you guys.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
jesus. just climb into the casket already.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Think Norman Dale.
He’s not dead yet.
Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.
hurray, we're finally huge.
(this site is banjaxed again)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
yeah, this site is completely frowzled.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Kenny says he is done trading.
So as it stands this is the team we will see tae the field in April.Really?
well, lil jimmy, sometimes, adults don't always tell the truth.
by obnoxious american on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Huh
A single tear rolls slowly down Lil Jimmy’s Cheek
I believe Kenny is still trying to deal Paulie.
Then we can all have a good cry.
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
sick humor
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
I had a feeling that he was going to finish his career in St. Louis (he probably will)
but I didn’t think that he would be gone this soon. It’s gonna suck to see him in that other uniform.
Are there any left still running out there?
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.
by JofpGallagher on Dec 10, 2011 8:38 AM CST up reply actions

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