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Loss of Buehrle, loss of confidence

Can Mark Buehrle leave some reflexes for Phil Humber before leaving town?

With Mark Buehrle out of the picture, it's going to be fascinating to see how the White Sox attempt to market themselves come SoxFest, because their biggest problem is now a bigger one.

Plainly put, Mark Buehrle was their go-to guy for feel-good Sox moments, and Kenny Williams couldn't fit him in the budget because he's throwing $40 million a year at three players who offend the senses.

Buehrle is gone. Alex Rios, Adam Dunn and Jake Peavy remain. It's hard to make that look desirable in brochures.

It's not even about production at this point. I'm talking about players who inspire confidence. They are related, but not entirely.

The Sox haven't been that terrible of team the last few years. I can think of several teams who would kill for a .500 record. Their problem is that they make baseball look incredibly difficult -- in past years, their commercials advertised just how well they made a game look like work -- and losing Buehrle doesn't help matters one bit.

Star-divide

Basically, when Buehrle took the mound, he marked his territory. If you were to map it out, it would look like this:

Buehrlemap_medium

It's fun to watch a guy who knows what he's doing, and Buehrle always projected that sense of control. He threw strikes and pushed the pace. He used his hands and feet to defend the box. And whenever he allowed baserunners, he more or less tethered them to the bag.

That's why his between-the-legs flip stands out. He kicked the ball as it tried getting past him, and then he chased the damn thing down into foul ground. He defended his position in every sense of the word. With Buehrle, you had to come and get it from him.

Sure, sometimes that happened. He suffered the occasional stomping, but it seldom looked like it got to him. Stare blankly at the home run's landing spot, kick the mud out of the spikes, mop the brow, get another ball and go back at it. And when that didn't work and he just plain sucked, at least he had the decency to make it quick.

Buehrle often times looked better in defeat than other Sox pitchers look in victory. Jake Peavy hops off the mound cursing at himself and stomping in a circle . John Danks will get into an extended at-bat, snap his glove when he gets the throw and chomp on his gum mercilessly. I guess that's what gets them the "bulldog" title, but when you place them in the context of the White Sox's 25-man roster, they're just two more guys who make things look way more difficult than they should be. It just comes off as gritty, somehow.

Star-divide

Up and down the roster, the Sox fight the game. Like when Alex Rios and Juan Pierre pull up on pop-ups in the Bermuda Triangle. When A.J. Pierzynski slams is bat running down the first base line. When Gordon Beckham jumps out of his shoes at a fastball up and away. When Alexei Ramirez topples over backwards on throws to second.

Ozzie Guillen fell into it, too, with his overmanaging. No AL team resorted to the bunt more than the Sox did, even though Guillen didn't really have the personnel to do it, because one run required sacrifice. You can't get more melodramatic than that.

How the hell did it end up that Hawk Harrelson became justifiably nervous when the Sox have a runner on third and nobody out? How did the Wild Pitch Offense serve as both a punch line and Plan B?

Star-divide

Sox fans looked forward to Buehrle Days because he raised the competency level. With him out of the picture, the Sox are short on rocks.

The good news is that the Sox aren't devoid of assertive presences. The problem is that Paul Konerko is the only one with a regular role. When he comes to the plate, he looks locked in and ready. Throw him a fastball, and he's going to destroy it. But flip him a slider, and he might flip it to right field. He inspires trust that he will react accordingly.

But when I think of the other guys who bring a similar sense of order to the proceedings, they're on the outskirts of the roster:

  • Alejandro De Aza: Made a definite difference simply by calling for flyballs.
  • Dayan Viciedo: Has stop-to-watch-him at-bats, and while he's not much for range, his arm commands attention.
  • Matt Thornton: Stands tall and comes right at hitters, and until a couple months out of last season, he successfully imposed his will that way.
  • Chris Sale: Once hitters told him that he had pants-pooping stuff, it became surprising when another team even mounted a threat.

Three of these players will receive expanded roles for the first time in their careers. This could be a good thing, because they qualify as "new blood" for an organization whose veterans have been extremely comfortable. But people aren't going to buy in before they prove themselves, and if they fall short, the focus doesn't just shift to Dunn and Rios, but also to the man who isn't there.

Good luck selling that before the games even start.

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dunn is scheduled to appear.

i was surprised by that. Usually the sox leave the hated players off the sox fest roster.

sergio santos is also supposed to show. haha

New White Sox manager Robin Ventura along with Adam Dunn, Tyler Flowers, Gavin Floyd, Phil Humber, Paul Konerko, Brent Lillibridge, Brent Morel, Alexei Ramirez, Sergio Santos, Matt Thornton, Dayan Viciedo and other current team members will be joined by members of the 2005 World Series winning White Sox team – Neal Cotts, Joe Crede, Pablo Ozuna, Cliff Politte and Frank Thomas

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by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Dunn would catch far too much flak if he didn't show up.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I kind of wish he didn't, though.

The Sox really need him to rebound, and Sox fans need hope that that will happen. I don’t think giving the fans another chance to yell at him, especially after the departure of Buehrle, will help anyone.

by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

You think Sox fans will allow Dunn to keep to his vow

to talk no more of problems in 2011 . . . now that that’s behind him?

by son_of_sophist on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be real surprised if Santos is there.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

in Spirit!

(get it? huh? huh?)

"His Load got Sloppy" Colintj

by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Over/under

On how many games we get to see Adam Dunn loafing in the eye of the “Buehrle Got This” Brontosaurus*.

If Ventura is serious about giving Dunn more time in the field, realistically I would assume that means the breakdown will be: 1B (30%), DH (50%), RF (20%).

*Sorry apatosaurus for those that went to grade school in the 90s.

by krushcuts on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

Me too.

I, like joewho, had to find out 20+ years later that Brontosaurus and the 9th planet were mere fabrications.

You know what else I learned? There is no Antarctic Ocean. Apparently it was an ocean, but then it wasn’t, and now it is again but with a different name. Thank you Whale Wars.

by krushcuts on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

The PR fallout from losing Buehrle and the meathead fallout from trading Santos

makes it seem like KW could go for a full-on organizational colon cleanse and the public perception of the team won’t be any worse. It might be a blessing in disguise, that way.

I’m stretching.

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

OT...

I was ready to jump down phil rodgers throat for suggesting that the cubs could select drew cumberland in the rule 5 draft. rhub posted a story about how he had to retire due to a condition. i found this…

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111202&content_id=26083230&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM CST reply actions  

that is great news, I really felt for the guy

It is one thing the way you and I stopped playing the game and another the way this guy did, had to have been real tough. Any chance Sox can get this guy?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Good Lord.

I don’t know what to think.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

didn't see that one coming!

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

He's untradeable until he's 42

He’ll spend the last four years of that deal as a ride for smaller kids at Disneyland.

by Sox-35th on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

still hasn't produced a birth certification if I recall correctly

He could be older than he is presenting himself, and I think his agent just got in trouble. This has got to be bittersweet for Cards fans, win the Series but lose the Superstar.

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

He should have been payed more.

He is definitely worth more than A-Roid. I read that he turned down a 10 year 280 million from the Marlins though, which would have made him the highest paid player.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want him on the Sox for the contract he got.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

source?

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Another usher.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

And the $280MM just got denied.

The offer was $201MM.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 9, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps this is where RV's seeming zen comes into play.
Up and down the roster, the Sox fight the game.

I think it’s likely Guillen’s style and personality just grated on guys like Rios and Dunn and possibly even Beckham. No, that certainly doesn’t explain away their inability to hit (or field, with ToeBoat) but I’m a big believer in the ‘positive thinking breeds positive results’ idea. I expect we’ll see a lot of Konerko and Alexei in the coming commercials. I hope I’m wrong, but 2012 looks like a real icky year. At least we have each other?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

(uncomfortably long hugz with you, me and Kenwo)

2012 Marketing Slogan Game begins in January folks.

"His Load got Sloppy" Colintj

by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

seeming zen? i haven't heard his demeanor described that way before.

for now my chosen word for his demeanor would be: vapid.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that might be a better word.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate that I agree with "vapid"

but it’s the word I’ve been grasping for since he was anointed.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Hilarious because wur gunna win 90-bazillion games, right?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 9, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Fun bad!

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Pujols to the Angels... wow

Please find Jay Cutler some help...

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

I am amazed he still has a job

with all the critics OG had in this board, I can almost bet that KW will be looking for a job before OG does….

Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!

by JofpGallagher on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Careful going out on that limb.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

We have no idea really

Its baseball and crazy shit happens. What if the Marlins make all these moves and absolutely suck this year? That isn’t going to look very good. Anything is possible. Miami is still very much a Dolphins town with the Heat making a strong play. Miami has a reputation for very fair weather fans.

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

There's a very good chance the Marlins don't make the playoffs this year

They have paid a bunch of money to guys that are high risk and are not elite players….

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Buehrle is elite.....to me

And he is low risk…

Ramirez and Reyes are not elite? How high is your bar?

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by JofpGallagher on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Elite is a pretty high bar

I love Buehrle, but he’s not elite at this point…and at his age plus the fact that he’s a pitcher I think he is risky. Reyes had a great 2011 but his career OBP is around .340 and his 2009 and 2010 were not awesome. I don’t think he would qualify as elite and his injury issues make him risky as well.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree.

Most of his trades literally make me scratch my head. I just don’t know how/why he makes trades to acquire prospects from established guys and then goes and trades all the prospects away for some equally crappy major league player. I hope he goes after this season.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Pretty much, I’m probably going to go bald early due to the past couple years.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Kenny doing Q&A at SoxFest this year?

Should be a fun one. Ever since the season ended, I’ve hoped the primary question he gets is “why are you still here?” No doubt many feeling the loss of Buehrle will ask similar ones.

by asinwreck on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

and now CJ wilson signs with angels

5/77.5

Rangers need danks.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Rangers have a nice farm too

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

and and i cannot believe a guy like wilson gets that kind of coin

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

AND years! mercy!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

criminy.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Rangers need danks drinks.

fixed

by Sox-35th on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

They are sprinting into win now mode.

And just helped the A’s get an even better package for Gio.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I suspect if you really want to move Danks it helps there too

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Big time.

The price of Danks and Floyd jumped up.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It jumps because there are now fewer good pitchers to go around.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

garza, gio, danks and floyd are probably the best 4 available.

am i missing someone?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he's actually available.

So yeah, I agree with your four.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I have the same phone in my cube

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

i have a similar cardboard box.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I fall down a lot too.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Racist.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

YES!

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

The Sox are running the option next year?

Wasn’t OSU a pro-style offense when Ventura was there? Barry Sanders and all?

by Sox-35th on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you could rock one

I can and the women love it. :-)

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

oh i have no chance at rocking that.

id look like the big fat gay guy on modern family

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

that guy is awesome.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

From Manhattan, KS!

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, it's kinda funny how he's become like an icon there.

first, on gameday, then the christmas lighting ceremony and all that.
the guy is funny, but it’s a damn sitcom. a little starved for attention down there, eh?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

that xmas episode last night was superb

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

absolutely. that show makes me laugh.

al bundy, a hot latin chick in a bikini and a stun gun. can’t beat it.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i only recently realized the blonde mom is also the chick from happy gilmore. good times. she's hot.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

...

Mind blown.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Can I tell you something? And I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality (even while pee-pee-pants drunk):

It’s fabulous.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Dec 8, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The sweater cannot speak,

and if it could probably could not speak to Tdogg’s motivation.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Jim, a fantastic perspective.

Your writing keeps improving, and your perspective is outstanding. Thanks.

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I just spent the morning babysitting a two year old,

and trying to show him how to build for structural integrity with DUPLO blocks.

I was easily more productive the past 6 hours than Kenny was during the Winter meetings.

by South Side Expat on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Honestly I'm encouraged he seems to be holding out for a kings ransom

for once in his life.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

In the rest of the world, he’s just a guy with no depth perception.

by South Side Expat on Dec 8, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully he doesn't overplay his hand

I am pretty sure I saw in the CBA aftermath that for draft pick compensation, a player must start the season with the team. In addition to having Danks for a full year, having that comp pick makes him a bit more attractive (this is under the assumption Danks will be offered enough to qualify which he probably should). Holding out til the deadline and expecting someone to offer anything decent for 2 months of Danks with no comp pick attached might blow up in Kenny’s face.

A Durham/Adkins part II would result in puke everywhere.

by MelidoPerez on Dec 8, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

somebody please help me out here.

now i know the stuff aj pierzynski said a couple months ago about drinking in the clubhouse but i don’t ever recall hearing that buehrle was drinking beer during the third game of the 2005 world series. is this common knowledge?

the reason i ask this is because of phil rogers. here’s what he wrote

And how many pitchers have the White Sox ever had who were better than the guy who downed a few beers and then picked up a 14th-inning save in the World Series?

what on earth is going on? did buehrle really say that he was having beers during that game? if so, i’m very surprised to have missed something like that. if not, then what is rogers talking about?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1208-rogers-winter-meetings-baseball—20111208,0,5043247.column

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

shut up aj

not every trade partner has to be a rape victim. by larry on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

huh?

that doesn’t help me.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

like finding out santa isn't real.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

huh?

that doesn’t help me either.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thank you for your compassion.

wait, that is compassion, right?

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not finding anything about it on the internet besides that linked article.

Phil’s brain may be a bit scrambled. If you pressed I bet you could get him to claim Buehrle down a few BHB’s and defrosted a lobster.

by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

it's just the start of the hatchet job on MB.

by this time next year, everyone will think he was an alcoholic clubhouse cancer serial child rapist with daddy issues.

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Jenks.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 8, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah...

his love for animals? really just a front for his illegal dog fighting activities. sad to say it.

he’s also a crazy psycho that shoots deer in the leg and leaves them to die in the woods. don’t forget about that.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh SSS !!!

How have I missed thee? I came out of hibernation and the world looks all different.

Here in Dallas, they been talking about Danks all morning. I don’t blame them since it’s not the best of days for them, losing Wilson AND Tyson Chandler from the Mavs.

The year of Dallas sports is officially over !

by XuBrent on Dec 8, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Man, this season looks bleak.

I just don’t understand why the Sox didn’t even honor Buehrle with any type of contract offer. I don’t think they even offered him a contract this offseason.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

That is not really the same thing as a contract offer.

He stated that he wanted a long term contract, and they didn’t offer him that.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

it is, as i understand it, exactly the same thing as a contract offer.

but they couldn’t match the marlins offer. buehrle even gave them the last shot at signing him after hearing from the marlins, but the white sox simply can’t afford him just now.
i’m sure if buehrle was desperately keen on staying he would have had his agent suggest something the white sox could do.

by craigws on Dec 8, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Most likely.

And what I meant was a contract offer he might have been inclined to sign. I agree though that the Sox would have been outbid by the Marlins anyways.

by dasox313 on Dec 8, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm sure he is aware of the situation,

if he wanted to stay he could have taken the arbitration then worked out something else next year once peavy is off the books.
not that i blame him.

by craigws on Dec 8, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyO89pbT_Dk&feature=youtu.be

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

and turn up your volume

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

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