White Sox lose Terry Doyle in the Rule 5 Draft and you should not care

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 9:36 AM CST in White Sox Minors

The Minnesota Twins selected RHP Terry Doyle from the White Sox in this morning's Rule 5 Draft. While people like to talk about Johan Santana or Joakim Soria as examples of how "hidden gems" can be found in the draft, that was under the old rules. Starting with the 2007 draft, teams were given another year of team control over players before they are eligible to be selected.

Adam Foster at Project Prospect further quantifies why you shouldn't care:

Not a single No. 1 overall Rule 5 Draft pick has provided the team that selected him above-replacement-level MLB value in more than a decade.
The average Rule 5 Draft pick since 2007 has yielded the following career WAR value: Median: 0.0 WAR. Mode: 0.0 WAR. Mean: 0.2 WAR.
Nealy half of the players selected in the Rule 5 Draft since 2007 have spent 0 days in the big leagues.
Over a third of the players selected have yielded below-replacement-level career WAR values.
The cumulative WAR value of every player selected since 2007 is 14.0.

For those who still care after that, you can read the scouting report I wrote about Doyle last month. He throws strikes and can pitch a lot of innings. Sounds like the prototypical Twins pitcher. And if that wasn't good enough to make the 40 man roster of the White Sox, that should tell you a whole lot. Doyle will now get a shot with an organization that may actually consider him to be a possible major league pitcher. If he doesn't stick on their major league roster, he may come back to the White Sox.

As usual, the White Sox passed in each of the major league, the Triple A and the Double A portions of the draft. But they did gain the $50,000 for having a player selected.

In minorly interesting news, Aaron Poreda, the White Sox first round pick in 2007, was selected by the Pirates the Triple A portion. Poreda, as you can probably gather from him not even being included on the Padres' minor league protected list, has completely fallen apart since he was traded to the Padres as the key part of the Jake Peavy trade.

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Still, we can all dream

maybe he’ll give the Twins rubella in training camp.

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by TasteeFreeze on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

His name always makes me think of Uecker in Major League

by Yinka Double Dare on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 AM CST reply actions

Kenny needs to hit up the rangers.

angels signed pujols and wilson. landscaped changed. rangers need to counter.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions

The Angels rotation is going to be nuts

by joewho112 on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions

Sell them Danks back at a premium.

It’ll be just like in the movie Heat when DeNiro tries to sell Van Zant his bonds back. Except without the wicked shootout.

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

ugh.

and if the lakers get cp3 and d12 i may just have to become a shut-in.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

fuck. part 1 complete. thank god i'll be in chicago this weekend.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 8, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions

oh yeah?

by South Side Expat on Dec 8, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions

one side family xmas party this weekend, other side the next weekend, then back for xmas week.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

unless you were talking about cp3 for odom/gasol, of course.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 8, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't think you were coming in until xmas week.

You gonna be able to get away from them?

by South Side Expat on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions

David Stern has vetod your travel plans for 'basketball reasons.' More information to come.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 9, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions

bless that idiot.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions

what I want know is when we can veto that Peavy trade

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions

Didn't think there was a reason to care about Doyle

Thanks for making the case validating that feeling.

by Titan52 on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions

Doyle Rule5!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM CST reply actions 4 recs

He throws strikes and can pitch a lot of innings.

this makes me uneasy in the face of recent events.

by obnoxious american on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions

Terry Doyle if you're reading this and getting upset, I'll miss you bro

You were a great… reads article… (starting?) pitcher

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by billyok on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

if he's reading this... i hope he fixes his hat.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

Derry spent too much time Toyling in the minors

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?

by greenlight on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions

While it's highly unlikely that this really comes back to bite them...

I guess my question is still what did they gain by not protecting him? Don’t they have a few spots still remaining on the 40 man?

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST reply actions

$50,000. Four spots.

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions

So I guess my question remains.

Why not protect him? Especially if they plan on gutting the major league roster this offseason. He could have probably been back-end rotation fodder this season.

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

if they're gutting the major league roster, having 3 open roster spots wouldn't be enough.

he’s not back-end rotation fodder this season. even if he was good enough, the white sox currently have 11 starting pitchers on their 40 man.

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions

So you're saying...

a lot of the guys that would/will probably be coming back in trades would need to be placed on the 40 man. Right?

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions

Reply fail.

This was for larry above.

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions

KW generally trades for such players, not teenagers.

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah I follow.

And in that case it does make sense. Thanks for the clarification.

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

an aside that is probably only interesting to me and five other people.

the twins have a history of keeping their rule 5 picks, one way or another. their last five picks:

2010: scott diamond. rights permanently acquired in trade with braves.
2008. jason jones. rights permanently acquired in trade with yankees.
2006: alejandro machado. spent season on DL, then permanently acquired from nationals after season (if a player spends too much of the season on the DL, the rule 5 restrictions rollover to the next seasonn.
2005: jason pridie. returned to tampa prior to regular season but later acquired in delmon young/matt garza trade.

by larry on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions

If the Sox can get someone from the Twins in exchange for a guy who only made it above high A halfway through his age 25 season, I'd call that a win.

The enhanced interrogation of metaphors.

by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

Prediction

Doyle starts 5 major league games. Gets crushed in 3 of those starts and shuts down the White Sox in 2 of those starts.

Fan Predictions

by striker on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM CST reply actions 4 recs

First Buehrls, then Doyle.

Fuuuuuuuuuccccccvkkkkkk!!!!!!!! Is no one safe from Kenny’s purge?

Tim Tebow doesn't fight the law, but if he did, the law would surely win. Okay, maybe not.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs

Rios.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Dec 8, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

whos more "tradeable"

Rios or Peavy? And I use tradeable very loosely…

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Peavy.

Only one year left on his contract.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

With our luck Peavy will win 15 games and then blow his arm out right before Kenny trades him.

Either way, I will be excited to see him leave. His baby blue eyes pierce my soul.

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 8, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

If he wins 15 games before the trade deadline, I don't think anyone would be unhappy.

by U-God on Dec 8, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions

but i will still hate him

by e-gus on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

I wish AJ would have finished him off in the clubhouse last year.

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Right now Peavy, if Rios starts playing well than Rios

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions

Due to Peavy's injury history

I don’t see them trading Peavy, I think he has a pretty good year.

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions

I think he's gonna suck.

And then he’s gonna die. Life’s a bitch. The end.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions

I bet he has a career ender after trying to pitch five more innings after he loses feeling in his arm

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions

you shouldn't try to be such a negative nancy.

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions

Poreda notes from the past

From KLAW’s 2008 Top 100 list, here is his write up for the #67 prospect in all the land:

Poreda is still a project, but he brings one undeniable tool to the table. Left-handers with plus velocity (93-97 consistently, with anecdotal reports of 98 plus) and excellent sink to generate ground balls are rare birds, making Poreda a very good value for a late first-round selection. His secondary stuff remains raw. He’s messed around with a curveball and slider, with the latter showing more promise, and his low three-quarter arm slot has made it hard for him to master a changeup. He’s big and can hold his velocity, but the White Sox should move him slowly to give him time to develop at least one — preferably two — average offspeed pitches so he can fulfill his promise as a No. 2 or 3 starter.

And from later in 2009:

John Illinois

Aron Poreda; future starter or setup guy?
Keith Law (2:29 PM)

I’m torn – starter build, starter fastball, secondary stuff not there yet, strikeout rate too low to start. But let’s not consign him to the pen yet.

At least he was kind of complimentary/optimistic about a player while they were still on the Sox.

by krushcuts on Dec 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST reply actions

I don't think he actually has an anti-sox bias. He's just a stubborn asshole and occasionally a bit of a pompous windbag.

The enhanced interrogation of metaphors.

by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

So let me get this straight...

he’s pretty certain Sale and Molina end up in the pen. But Poreda, he of one pitch, was a possible 2-3 starter. Wow.

by polodude017 on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions

KL salivates over big power pitchers I believe

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions

I think KL is more spoken here than Buehrle....that's sad.

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by JofpGallagher on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

I must have missed the multiple front page posts about Keith Law.

by U-God on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

I am not being exact....just kidding

Loads of KL said this…said that…he hates the Sox….bla bla….FKL

Warning: Read my posts at your own risk!

by JofpGallagher on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

Wow:

This source reported Yu #Darvish demands $20M per year contract and implies he won’t come if a bidder couldn’t. #MLB http://www.sponichi.co.jp/baseball/news…

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Pitchers making $20MM next year: Johan Santana, Sabathia, Lee, Verlander, Halladay (honorable mention: Barry Zito in 2013). If he’s really asking for $20MM/year I’ll be pretty shocked if he gets it.

The enhanced interrogation of metaphors.

by mechanical turk on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM CST reply actions