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A/V Room: Behind the scenes

Over on Ed Sherman's Business of Sports blog at Crain's, he sat down with Kenny Williams for a 12-minute interview. It starts with the topical questions of the day, such as Williams' perspective on going gung-ho in the offseason, and his relationship with Ozzie Guillen. The second half is devoted to the GM-specific questions, and it gives some insight on the balancing act he tries to pull.


That's the first installment. The other three are on the right rail of his blog.

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As a pitcher, Carlos Torres was nothing special. He was the rare starter who always worked from the stretch, but his pitches and performance were pure AAAA material. That's why he's taking a crack at the Japanese League.

However, the Santa Cruz Sentinel took Torres the person and made him interesting, finding out why their local boy made the decision to go overseas, and how the Sox managed him from the draft to his buyout. It's a little heavy on agent-based puffery at times (you'd think the Sox clipped the wings of a bird born to soooooar!), but after filtering out the PR, we learn why Torres is taking a salary that isn't much more than the major-league minimum, and how Japanese teams scout players in the minors.

(UPDATE: I heard from Torres' agent, Kurt Varricchio, who said the information in the article was incorrect. Torres signed a one-year contract for $850,000, with the chance to earn $500,000 more through incentives. The original article has also been amended.)

A sample:

One team made a "fairly significant" offer for Torres prior to his major-league debut, Varricchio said, but he noted that organization and the White Sox were still far from striking a deal.

Yomiuri made an offer in November, however, and White Sox general manager Kenny Williams and assistant GM Rick Hahn agreed to lower their asking price and accept the buyout.

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There's a new Sox blog on the block - South Side Hit Girl, written by Cheryl Norman. In her most recent post, she writes about something I touched upon during a conversation on WGN with Rob but never went back to -- why do so many players have the White Sox on their no-trade lists?

She uses Michael Young as the jumping off point (although Young only approved eight teams, so at least the Sox were in the vast majority), and also references Jake Peavy and Zack Greinke. I'll add a couple more names to the list - Lance Berkman, who turned down a trade, and Roy Oswalt, who preemptively shot down a rumor.

It's odd that the Sox are often shunned. Chicago's a great city, and Williams always fields a competitive team and will push to get better. I think Ozzie Guillen and the unique situations he creates have a part in it. In an SI player poll a couple of years ago, Guillen finished just behind Lou Piniella as the manager they'd least like to play for.

Granted, I don't think Guillen is that bad to play for - although if you're young, single or a free spirit otherwise, there might be problems. If you're a quiet veteran with a wife and kids, you should have no problem fitting in. But I wonder if the presence of Guillen causes players to pause reflexively and say, "You're going to have to sell me on that one."

On a positive note, that Young doesn't want to come to Chicago is fine by me. And Cheryl. And J.J.

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*Gordon Beckham says his hand injury won't be holding him back.

*The Sun-Times' shift takes effect: Joe Cowley is dividing his attention between the Sox and Cubs, and he starts by declaring Chicago a Sox town. Meanwhile, Daryl Van Schouwen (cq) is the new beat writer, and he wrote a brief article on Mark and Jamie Buehrle's comments about Michael Vick.

*J.J. looks back fondly on the career of Jose Valentin.

*James admires and braces for further repercussions of Jake Peavy's "irrational levels of determination."

*Two things I didn't know - not only was Jerry Reinsdorf close friends with late Negro League/Brooklyn Dodgers pitching phenom Joe Black, but his daughter, Martha, works for the Sox.

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Bad News for Jared Mitchell???

This is off topic but I saw a blurb on Rotoworld yesterday about Demaryius Thomas of the Denver Broncos and the article about his torn achilles is a bit troubling as it should hold true for Jared Mitchell as well for regaining all his speed.

“According to a recent study published in Foot & Ankle Specialist, nearly 36 percent of NFL players who suffered a complete Achilles tendon rupture never played in the league again.
“Those who did return were never able to meet their pre-injury levels of performance,” the study also determined. Significant progress has been made in Achilles procedures and rehab, so the outlook for Demaryius Thomas isn’t as grim as it would have been 15-20 years ago. On the other hand, while defensive players such as Takeo Spikes and Greg Ellis have been modest success stories of late, running backs and receivers haven’t fared as well. We can’t write a talented 23-year-old off, but it’s hard to like his chances of staying healthy in 2012 and beyond. "

Obviously the NFL is a tougher sport to come back to from injury but this specific injury certainly leaves Mitchell with a lot of questions to answer.

by Knoxfire30 on Feb 11, 2011 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

Hector the Well Endowed, specifically

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Feb 11, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

So that is why wu is so high on Mitchell. Common upbringing.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 11, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhhhh a little diversity in these blogs.....

I’ll have to add her to my list to read.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 9:38 AM CST reply actions  

why is that surprising

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 12, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Do athletes really just not like Chicago?

Seems like we kind of struck out in basketball free agency too. Boozer was nice, but it seemed like Johnson, Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Stoudemire, Lee didn’t really even consider the Bulls.

Do agents tell their players Reinsdorf is cheap? I’d think that stigma has gone away somewhat considering our payrolls as of late. If they don’t like where the cell is, it’s not like they have to live there.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2011 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

The Three-Headed Diva in Miami wasn't going to come here no matter how much money was offered.

They all wanted to go to Miami. So, they don’t count. Stoud was just going to go to the highest bidder and the Bulls weren’t going to give him crazy money.

I highly doubt Reisndorf has the reputation of being cheap within the NBA/MLB/people with brains in their skulls. Until recently, the Bulls didn’t have much to sell to free agents in terms of already established, A-level, championship-caliber talent.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 11, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Naw

I think there are a number of reasons when things just don’t match up. There have been big time free agents that did seriously consider or did even sign. Kobe went house shopping. Peppers signed on the dotted line. So did Soriano.

Some of those other names the Bulls never seriously pursued. If the money is there and the situation is right FAs will sign. Dunn certainly didnt have to.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

i think it all comes back to Michael Jordan.

they figure if Jordan got fucked by Reinsdorf- even though he really didn’t but thats not public perception- then anyone will.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe a long time ago

That stuff is over. The fact was the team wasn’t good enough vs who they were competing with. If its the Sox vs KC or Balt. The White Sox win. Them vs Bos or Yankees different story. Plenty of teams have the Yanks on their no trade clause too. That stuff goes out the window when circumstances change or more money is offered.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i think it still holds true. wade brought it up this year.

and wether or not he would have ever actually signed with the bulls doesn’t matter. He used it as a reason. I think reinsdorf is probably the most loyal owner there is- but i think other people see Jordan working for the wizards and bobcats and think “what a prick reinsdorf is- michael fucking jordan isn’t even working for them” the fact that greg walker and don cooper have been with the organization for 30 years doesn’t matter. Jordan was reinsdorf’s biggest fish and he is not in our pond.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Players will say anything to take the shine off them

-like for instance trying to use your hometown team to accomplish a different goal. I doubt seriously any big time free agent would give it a second thought in signing with the Bulls. Again arguably the best player in the NBA Kobe has said multiple times it wasn’t an issue and he was very close to signing with the Bulls. Hell he almost successfully pushed his own trade to them.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

and Wade backed off the statements

when it was politely pointed out to him how many former Bulls were part of the organization. He just needed a crutch.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Well sometimes the feeling is mutual. I doubt the Bulls ever wanted to pay Joe Johnson or Amare Stoudemire over $100 million with a 6 year commitment.

Plus it’s hard to say the Bulls and Sox share the same problem. The Bulls missed out on the biggest FA prize possibly ever, but then again so did the media favorite Knicks. The Decision was kind of a perfect storm of circumstance, and it also never would have happened if the Timberwolves don’t accept a trade for Michael Beasley.

The Bulls are also much safer with their bets. They took a very safe, effective route this summer. On the other hand, the Sox routinely swing for the fences and Reinsdorf is not afraid to balloon the payroll even if the team can’t get out of its 2nd team rut. I’d say it’s a bigger problem that the Sox miss out on big name guys than the Bulls, who are constrained by cap and have a home-grown superstar. If the Sox had another Frank Thomas missing out on the elite FA’s doesn’t hurt as much.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 11, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson wanted to come, he just jumped ship right before Lebron signed

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Feb 11, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

As far as Ozzie

I don’t think he does himself any favors with outside players or fans when they see his 5 minute clips. I think it changes when they actually play for him but I agree there are some perception issues with him specifically.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 11, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

Are there really any free agents lately that we haven't gotten because of Jerry/The South Side?

I don’t think the free agents argument isn’t really fair because that’s not really the game the White Sox play.

Fukudome wanted to be an orgs first Japanese player, Hunter took stupid money, but other than that? We got Dunn/Crain/Linebrink…Peavy wanted to stay in the NL, so he was disinclined to say ‘yes’ to any AL team. Thome wanted to come back, Contreras has never said a bad thing, hell even FNS hasn’t said anything bad about his time here.

I think a lot of the ‘reputations’ the White Sox have are dying (‘they don’t spend money’, ‘the fans don’t care,’ ‘they don’t contend,’ ‘the park sucks’ etc). Is Cowly right that Chicago is a Sox town? No way. But have the Sox made immense progress in making themselves much more of a visible organization since 2005? Yes.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 11, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

As it does for every club.

Obviously, there are going to be people who don’t want to play for the Sox. But I don’t really have any reason to believe the Sox are on more people’s no-trade lists than any other club. We probably think it because we deal with the White Sox the most.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 11, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

well i think the new york teams and boston are on a lot of peoples too

because they use it as an excuse for more money figuring if the yankees/mets or red sox want them- they will pick up that option year or something. i don’t think that is the reasoning with the white sox.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

that wasn't the point.

the point is we hear almost every year of a player who rejects a trade to the white sox. they aren’t rejecting the trade because the white sox are an uncompetitive or money poor baseball team.

by larry on Feb 11, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

How much does the fact the White Sox make so many moves play in to it?

Maybe a lot of other teams are on most no-trade lists we just don’t hear about it because only KW is making so many trades?

by Grinder in Training on Feb 11, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

TWYS,

and you were wrong.

"One thought driven home is better than three left on base."

by winningugly on Feb 11, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Feb 11, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He nixed the White Sox because they didn't have Andy Pettite.

They’re buds.

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Feb 11, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

needle buddys

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Feb 11, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

in other words, butt buddies

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 11, 2011 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

in other words

baseless accusations!

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 11, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe for Berkman

Andy on the other hand…

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 11, 2011 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

that is what i meant

i have no love for the snitch.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 11, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

i think chicago is a sox town this year.

unless we fall on our faces or the cubs surprise everyone.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The economy is getting better

and (at least until yesterday’s numbers) consumer sentiment has also improved. Not surprised.

"One thought driven home is better than three left on base."

by winningugly on Feb 11, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in pretty much the same spot I was last year, which was not great, but not the worst it's been.

Even with having to pay for a wedding, I’m still planning on going to more Sox games this year (early in the season at least) than I was last year. You know how many tickets you can get by foregoing colored table napkins?!?

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 11, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretend you are buying tickets for underprivileged kids.

What a deal!

"One thought driven home is better than three left on base."

by winningugly on Feb 11, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If I'm gonna pretend about kids and Sox tickets, I would just sign them up for the kids club and get the tickets for free.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 11, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Readings rooms are great

These reading rooms are great. Always seems to be some stuff I havent already scrounged up myself.

by Soxophone on Feb 11, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

the way kenny speaks about wanting 40,000 people demanding success

and competitiveness from the team seems to be a contrast to the team on the north side. i wonder if that’s a deliberate move from the white sox?

by craigws on Feb 11, 2011 1:30 PM CST reply actions  

purchased my tickets for Opening day- in Cleveland!

Thanks to TP for the idea. 70 dollar tickets for section 154 right behind the plate- not bad! Very excited.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

you can't buy them through the website

but if you call 216-420-HITS- you can order them. Lets turn Progressive Field back into “The Jake”.. as in Peavy.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

My road trip this year is the Colorado series in late June.

Looking forward to seeing Dunn take bp at Coors field.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Feb 11, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

yah i am trying to convince the wife of that one.

i still hope to take a summer trip.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The Sox finally play

a series in Arizona but my wife is due the week after the weekend series so hopefully I can go. Kids are the worst, they ruin everything fun.

by parkernutws05 on Feb 11, 2011 7:25 PM CST reply actions  

yeah especially before they are even born.

jeesh dude enjoy your life, they are only young for a short time!

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Feb 12, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh. The Cowley article has managed to

seriously get some peoples panties in a bunch.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 12, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

the only two things more poorly written than cowley's article

are that fan post and the comments on said fan post.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Feb 12, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet he goes out the way of Mariotti

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Feb 13, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

larry cruising on BCB.

Interesting. Keeping an eye out for our pal OC, perhaps.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

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