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KenWo's Corner- Brent Morel is up against history

Those of you who grew up watching White Sox baseball in the 1990's were very lucky.  Not only because it was one of the best era's of White Sox baseball and because Frank Thomas was in his prime, but you were blessed enough to see a guy in Robin Ventura perform consistently well year in and year out at the hot corner.  Before Ventura, and to a certain extent after him, the White Sox third base situation could be described as "patchwork" at best and abysmal at worst. Occasionally you will find a good season by a 3rd baseman,  but the turnover the position has had in the last 60 years is quite remarkable.  

Lets start with the 1950's.  Taking a look at the baseball reference pages for the team, the only player to have the lions share of the third base work in the decade more than one time was Bubba Phillips who did so in 1957 and 1959.  You had Billy Goodman ('58), Fred Hatfield ('56), George Kell ('55), Cass Michaels ('54), Bob Elliot ('53), Hector Rodriguez ('52), Bob Dillinger ('51) and Hank Majeski ('50).  

The clear best season of the group came in 1955 from George Kell, who was at the very end of a Hall of Fame career.  Kell did most of his career damage during the late '40s and early '50s with the Tigers.  He hit .312/.389/.429 for an OPS of .818 with 8 home runs and 81 RBIs in '55 for the Sox.  He is the only person in the group to knock in more than 46 runs, OPS higher than .800 and also led the decade of third basemen with his 8 dingers.  After playing 21 games for the Sox in 1956 however, he was shipped off to Baltimore to finish his career.  

Four seasons saw the teams third baseman OPS'ing under .700.  Dillinger (.684), Rodriguez (.653) and Phillips twice (.693 and .699).  

Star-divide

The 1960's treated White Sox Third Basemen a little bit better.  This time there was only five men who got the most time at third.  Gene Freese (1960), Al Smith ('61 and '62), Pete Ward ('63-'65 and '68), Don Buford ('66-'67) and Bill Melton ('69).  Fans saw four seasons in the decade where the third baseman hit at least 20 home runs.  Four seasons of OPS of .800 were also enjoyed.  

Freese was coming off of a big 1959 with Philadelphia and with the White Sox black hole at third base, they thought a move should be made and Freese was acquired.  He had a decent year, hitting .273 with 17 homers and 73 RBI's. It came at a severe expense however, as the Sox traded a young outfielder by the name of Johnny Callison to acquire him.  Callison went on to have some big years for the Phillies and Freese was traded after the '60 season to the Reds in exchange for Cal McLish and Juan Pizzaro.  

You might remember Al Smith from the 1959 World Series highlights as the player who got the beer dumped on his head when a fan knocked over his libation going for a home run ball.  Smith, who played left field in '59, was moved to right field in '60 after the Sox re-aquired Minnie Minoso from Cleveland- where they traded him after the 1957 season.  In '61, Smith changed positions again, this time to third base to make room for a young outfielder by the name of Floyd Robinson.  Smith put up big numbers for the Sox in '61 and '62, OPS'ing .854 and .825 respectively, while hitting 44 homers over the two seasons.  Smith was then shipped to the Orioles with Luis Aparicio for a package including Ron Hansen, Hoyt Wilhelm, Dave Nicholson and our next third baseman, Pete Ward. 

Ward started out huge for the Sox in '63 and '64.  He OPS'd .835 and .821, and hit 55 home runs in those two seasons.  Finally our long term third baseman was found!  Until he got in a car accident in 1965 and never regained the promising play he showed during the first 2 campaigns.  In '65, Ward OPS'd .694 with 10 home runs.  He took to left field in '67 before returning to third in '68 where he hit .216 with a .720 OPS.  

Don Buford took over in '66 and '67 after playing mostly Second Base the previous seasons.  Buford would hit in the .240s each season OPS'ing .672 and .638.  He did steal 85 bases over those two years, but was also caught 43 times.  Buford would then be traded to Baltimore, where he would have four straight seasons of OPS'ing over .800 including .890 in 1971.  

In 1969, we got our first full time glimpse of Beltin' Bill Melton.  Melton had a strong rookie campaign with 23 homers and 87 RBIs.  In 1970 and '71, Melton hit 33 homers each year, even capturing the home run crown in '71.  Again it had looked like we found a stud who could be an all star for years to come.  Unfortunately, the injury bug struck again for the Sox, and Melton only played in 57 games in 1972.  If Melton would have been healthy during the '72 season, the Sox, who won 87 games behind Dick Allen's MVP season, may have not had to wait until 1983 to finally get back in the playoffs.  Instead we got a season of Ed Spiezio who OPS'd .580 with 2 home runs.  Melton was back at the hot corner for '73-'75, but his power had dipped to 20, 21 and 15 homers, his average fell to .240 by '75 and then it was on to California and Cleveland before his career ended after 1977.  

Kevin Bell was very underwhelming in his 2 seasons as the regular Third Baseman ('76 and '79), hitting in the .240's with a combined 9 homers.  In between, however, the Sox struck lightning in a bottle with Eric Soderholm. Soderholm had been pretty successful with the Twins in the early- mid '70s before injuring his knee and missing the entire 1976 season.  Bill Veeck gambled on him for the 1977 season, and Soderholm became a big piece of the South Side Hitmen hitting .280/.350/.500 with 25 homers.  Soderholm won the A.L. Comeback Player of the Year that season and followed it up with another 20 homer season in '78 before being dealt to Texas for Ed Farmer. Soderholm then went on to start up one of the first ticket agencies and fought to legalize scalping.  His Front Row tickets is still going today.  

Bell was back as he most regular starter for the 1980 season, and he was worse than before.  He put up a .178/.284/.241 line with 1 homer and 11 RBI's over 224 plate appearances.  In '81, Jim Morrison (no not that Jim Morrison) became the regular Third Baseman.  Morrison had a successful '80 as the Sox Second Baseman, but in '81 he managed a .234/.261/.372 with 10 homers.  In '82 it was veteran Aurelio Rodriguez turn.  He produced a .241/.275/.342 line with 3 homers.  

Vance Law is the first Third Baseman I remember for the Sox as he was the regular in '83 and '84.  In '83, Law hit .243/.325/.348 with 4 homers.  In '84 he muscled up for a .252/.309/.403 with 17 homers and 59 RBI's but was sent packing because we had our next hot prospect coming along the bend.  

From '85-'87 the hot corner belonged to Tim Hulett.  Hulettt was highly touted and hit .268/.324/.375 in his rookie year.  In '86 he ended up hitting 17 homers to go along with his .231 average and .639 OPS.  In '87 his average dropped to .217 and he was out the door.  Somehow he managed to still play major league baseball into 1995, but only received 200 at bats twice in those years.  

In 1988 it was Psycho Steve Lyons turn.  He was unimpressive with a .269/.313/.373 line with 5 homers.  The late Carlos Martinez ended up with the highest OPS for a 3rd Baseman in the decade at .746 in 1989.  The 80's were another very ugly decade for the Sox at the hot corner. 

At the tail end of 1989, we got our first glimpse of Robin Ventura and he hit .178 over 16 games.  He was another hyped up prospect that had his first full season in 1990 and hit .249/.324/.318.  You couldn't help to think it was Hulett version 2.0.  Fortunately for all involved Ventura OPS'd at least .800 for the next 6 years before an ankle injury cost him most of '97.  He rebounded to hit .263/.349/.436 with 21 homers in his final season with the White Sox in '98.  All of this was done as he was playing gold glove caliber defense (he won 5 during that span) and becoming the greatest 3rd Baseman in team history.  

After Ventura, we got a helping of Greg Norton, Herb Perry and a displaced Jose Valentin.  Perry had a very good 2000, hitting .308/.356/.483 with 12 homers and 61 RBI's for the A.L. Central Champs.  In 2001, however, he became Herbert Perry again and the numbers dropped across the board.  Valentin was switched over to the hot corner in 2002 and hit his usual 25 homers, but was moved back to Shortstop for 2003 and Joe Crede took over regular duties. 

Crede provided some power from the position while playing good defense in '03 and '04.  After returning from injury midway through 2005, however, something seemed to finally click.  Crede became a legitimate hitter and was a huge piece in leading the White Sox to their first Championship in 88 years.  Crede had a monster 2006, hitting 30 homers with 94 RBI's and OPS'ing .828.  In 2007 though, the back acted up just like Pete Ward's and Bill Melton's before him.  He only played in 47 games in '07 and 97 in '08, although we did see a glimpse of Crede at his best that year as he did make the All Star team.  In 2009, he signed with the hated Twins and in 2010 he was out of baseball.  

While Crede was down in '07, Josh Fields manned third.  He ended up hitting 23 homers that year, but then struggled and was dealt to Kansas City after 2009.  Gordon Beckham had an excellent rookie year at third in 2009, but was then moved to Second Base for 2010 to make room for Mark Teahen (whom they acquired from Fields).  Teahen was unimpressive and then injured allowing 43 year old Omar Vizquel to be the regular at 3rd.  While Vizquel played well, a 43 year old isn't the answer for any team and we saw two young third basemen come up during the season- Dayan Viciedo and Brent Morel.  Viciedo hit well, but struggled defensively and is moving to the outfield.  Morel impressed with the glove in his first 21 games.  

So here we are.  Brent Morel is slated to become the regular 3rd Baseman.  He showed he can play defense well and showed a little bit of pop in a very small sample size.  Will he go on to be one of the better 3rd Basemen in team history with Ventura?  Will he fizzle out quickly a la Tim Hulett? Will he start out strong and then suffer an injury like Ward, Melton and Crede? I sure hope he ends up being pretty good, but history suggests otherwise.  

Poll
Who will be Brent Morel's closest comparison when his tenure is over with the Sox?
Robin Ventura
129 votes
Joe Crede
327 votes
Tim Hulett
120 votes

576 votes | Poll has closed

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If Ward could have stayed healthy he would have put up some great offensive numbers.

Morel doesn’t have Ward’s power but a much better glove. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he will have a rookie year similar to Beckhan’s at 3b. If we do get that kind of production from him, our lineup could be fantastic.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Feb 13, 2011 6:00 AM CST reply actions  

By the way, nice piece. Keep 'em coming!

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Feb 13, 2011 6:02 AM CST reply actions  

the 90s

yeah man, we were so lucky to see the world series cancelled.

Would that be jack cheese? ~RWShow

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2011 6:49 AM CST reply actions  

I remember the Sox sent out fake world series tickets

The letter talked about “what could have been”. That team was really fucking good.

by 815Sox on Feb 13, 2011 9:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm still bitter

Awesome pitching, Frank in his prime, Robin….$!%$#!!*&^…Cleveland right there…the Expos….gotta stop…gotta let go…

by southsideirish on Feb 13, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyways

I am hoping for a good year for Morel. He certainly has the glove for the hot corner. Omar did great for his age last year but his is old. Anything is better than Teahan. What the hell are we going to do with that guy anyways?

by 815Sox on Feb 13, 2011 9:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Anyways

I am hoping for a good year for Morel. He certainly has the glove for the hot corner. Omar did great for his age last year but his is old. Anything is better than Teahan. What the hell are we going to do with that guy anyways?

by 815Sox on Feb 13, 2011 9:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'd second that emotion...

twice even!

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Feb 14, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite thing ever as a youngster was

watching opponents bunt down the third baseline, Ventura making the barehanded grab and off-balance throw. That, and dinosaurs.

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by Shinons on Feb 13, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

What, no mention of the '88 opening day (and beyond) third baseman?

’twas a puzzlement for sure.
Otherwise, fine piece.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Feb 13, 2011 9:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Memories of Kevin Bell

I knew I shouldn’t read this article just after breakfast. What’s next, a profile of pre-Pudge catchers that focuses on RIcky Selheimer?

by asinwreck on Feb 13, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the history

That injury bug just kept cycling around…

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Feb 13, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Morel will excel because of his choice of numbers.

The Power of Pods, like the Power of Cheese, is not to be underestimated.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 13, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

But one must be worthy of the 22.

Josh Fields’ career went south when he put it on.

"And he rips one into left! Konerko, grand slam!" —Joe Buck, 23 Oct 2005. Yes, I have had the date wrong for this long.

by mikecws91 on Feb 13, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

This article

This article is stupid. Sox Machine was better, by simple virtue of not having dumb articles like this. KenWo, please go away and start your own blog.

by Korean on Feb 13, 2011 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

So sad that someone is so obviously hunting

for an ass-whoopin’ on a Sunday.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 13, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

wow

Would that be jack cheese? ~RWShow

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it was stupid...

but my instant reaction when I clicked on it was “wow, this is long for a lead in to a simple poll.” I don’t mind The KenWo, but this was a bit verbose. Also, a few more options in the poll might have been useful. Maybe he’s the next Ron Santo? :)

Just, you know, trying to provide some constructive criticism.

by paul_ on Feb 13, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Go. Away.

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Feb 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

lol.

well thats what i was thinking- but I don’t want to scare off new readers. Even though he is clearly a major jabronie.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 13, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

jabronie

to the max. Go rain on someone else’s parade. I like the article kenwo; crede with less power/higher obp is what morel will be, lets hope he stays healthy.

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by usualsuspect on Feb 13, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

no

it’s not.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 13, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

other than the typos and occasional strange phrasing

i thought this was one of your better pieces

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 13, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

please don't start your mess here.

YOU CAN FIND ME AT: Second City Hockey and South Side Sox

by pierzynskirules on Feb 13, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

no he doesn't

but some people who just join sometimes decide they want to rile people up

YOU CAN FIND ME AT: Second City Hockey and South Side Sox

by pierzynskirules on Feb 13, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine.

So sorry to offend you guys. Still a dumb article, you pack animal morons.

by Korean on Feb 13, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

i like this guy

Would that be jack cheese? ~RWShow

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Best Korea!

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 13, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

clearly you were well regarded on sox machine as well

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by blackoutsox on Feb 13, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Truly you are not a fan of diversity.

We like writing of all styles. Jim is a pro, of course, and to compare KenWo’s prose to his is like comparing your tolerance of writing styles to Gandhi’s. Kenny is our heart. Can’t attack the heart without hearing about it from the other body parts. (You, sir, are our new and improved ass.)

But keep reading. It takes a village to make a blog.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 13, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If you bash someone's time-consuming and informative work you'd better be ready to defend it.

That goes for here and anywhere.

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by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Great article.

I personally think he will end up like Crede, only a little better. He has a good glove as you mentioned and I think he will be able to fill in the hot corner for 3-5 years at the least. Anything will be better than Teahen’s play last year

by dasox313 on Feb 13, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Eric Soderholm paragraph — lightning doesn’t have an E

That’s the only two errors I could find. I think it’s a great piece simply for the historical perspective, and I’d love to read more like this.

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Feb 13, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

Ack, that first line was supposed to be the subject line

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Feb 13, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

"Black whole" in the Freese paragraph should be "black hole"

That was my subject line for my post.

Holy geez, that was messy. Sorry guys, and thanks KenWo for the piece.

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Feb 13, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd love to see morel become a .300/.350/.450 guy with his plus defense.

he has hit for average well in the minors, but obviously isn’t a power hitter.
that’s also gonna require some more patience from him at the plate.

i’m up in the air for him this season. his lack of power and reluctance to draw walks could be brutal if he gets unlucky with his BABIP.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Feb 13, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Good article, but I'm disappointed that nowhere was the phrase

“Third Baseman of the future.”

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 13, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

I'm optimistic that Brent Morel = Robin Ventura...

…in a down year.

I think Brent’s peak is well above-average defense with an OPS ~.800 and 15-18 HR (maybe plus 10-15 SB). I’d be very happy with that.

by gnix on Feb 13, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Those of us who grew up watching White Sox baseball in the 1990's

also had to endure 1994, which very nearly drove me away from watching MLB forever.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Feb 13, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

same here

good thing steroids came around and lead me back to my first love.

Remember we were born between the A-Hole & the P-Hole so we got's to keep it funky! -Bootsy Collins

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

point taken on that.

even so, still got to witness pretty great talent on the field.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 13, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know much about Morel but I've been discontent with the hot corner since Joe left it a couple years back.

However, if he were to get 15 HRs or so, maybe 90 on the RBI side, I could see him developing to a solid contact hitter. Now, if we could only get Pods back…

- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."

by Alex Houston on Feb 13, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

here's my question? why would we want Pods back?

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by pierzynskirules on Feb 13, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I mention Scott because he performed consistently well when he wore pinstripes at 35th.

It’s nostalgic, I’m well aware (Yea, I’m thinking of the Game 2 shot), but he did have like 50 stolen bags for us then and last season with the Royals he still nabbed 30 and hit .309. Not to mention he did do pretty well when he got called up when he came back a second time around.

Granted, he’s 35 and time isn’t on his side, but I just don’t think Pierre gives that much to the top of the batting order. Not saying we need him, per se, but it wouldn’t be such a bad choice considering his past performances.

- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."

by Alex Houston on Feb 14, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

There's little reason to prefer Pods over Pierre

Slugging is the only real advantage he provided last year. While he had a slightly higher OBP than Pierre last season, his April skews his numbers – especially since a sore heel ended his season in Sept. 9, and stopped his slide with weeks to go.

APRIL
Pierre: .193/.260/.193 over 98 PA, 9/12 SB
Podsednik: .350/.418/.375 over 96 PA, 8/9 SB

MAY-OCTOBER
Pierre: .288/.353/.336 over 636 PA, 59/74 SB
Podsednik: .288/.328/.383 over 499 PA, 27/41 SB

Throw in Pierre’s superior defense and ability to stay healthy, and it’s pretty pointless to pine for Pods.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Feb 14, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Pierre really that much better defensively?

Perhaps he is, I just never recalled Pods being known as a more of an error prone outfielder, but perhaps I’m wrong. I also did see how Pierre’s numbers leveled out over the year, meaning he wasn’t as bad as I thought he was.

I should’ve clarified the original comment and said that while I prefer Pods over Pierre, I wouldn’t move boulders to bring him back and could live with a slightly more consistent lead off guy than Pierre who has a little more strength to his bat.

- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."

by Alex Houston on Feb 14, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh. Guess I really never focused as much on the defensive aspect.

I guess I kind of focused more on whether or not the lead off man was getting on base enough to warrant putting them in that spot in the first place. I also probably have a selection bias, because whenever I saw Pierre last season, I just wasn’t that impressed, be it offensively or defensively. Truth be told, I was surprised his average was as high as it was. However, if he’s as good as you guys say he is, I’ll take notice when the season starts in a couple weeks.

Ah, baseball again. Good to be back.

- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."

by Alex Houston on Feb 14, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You should watch more White Sox games.

Pods was and has been absolutely horrible in the OF, for his whole career. Speed on the bases does not equate to useful speed in the OF. Before last season most people here bemoaned how horrible Pierre was defensively and equated him to Pods. However, after last season we saw that was not necessarily true.

Two rights make one wrong

by Rhubarb on Feb 14, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

"Not necessarily true".

Sort-of kinda pretty strong words there, almost.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

eggshells

it wasn’t true dammit.

Two rights make one wrong

by Rhubarb on Feb 14, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, I heard that Pierre wasn't much of an upgrade initially on the defensive side of the ball, but I wasn't aware of this mountain of examples of Pods' supposedly bad defense

Not that I doubt my Sox brethen on this site, since I would expect people here to be able to call out stuff like that, but in the 3 or so seasons he was in the Sox, I couldn’t recall many people lamenting over his defensive play. And actually looking at his stats, he ended up making 8 errors in 2006, so maybe that’s part of the reason why he has such a bad reputation for bad fielding.

Whatever the case, I just want a solid leadoff guy and I’m just not entirely sold on Pierre. But for now, he seems to work.

- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."

by Alex Houston on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd say the basic difference is routes and getting a good read on the ball.

pierre has talent in both of these things. pods doesn’t, so errors aren’t really what you need to consider. you have to get to the ball to catch it after all. that said, pods wasn’t that great at just catching the ball either.

i agree with you on the batting front, i’d prefer someone else to pierre, but he is what he is and i can’t have any complaints with him.

by craigws on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't make an error if you're no where near the ball.

Only Gardner and Crawford were better fielders in LF last year. Podsednik’s UZR was actually worse than Raul ibanez

Two rights make one wrong

by Rhubarb on Feb 15, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Your mind is blocking out Pods' true defensive idiocy.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome! Awesome story.

He ended up playing parts of 12 seasons in the big leagues so he must have been doing something right.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 13, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome!

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by blackoutsox on Feb 14, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

updated projected standings from CAIRO

still favor the sox at 84.3 wins to take the division, with the twins 2 wins behind

the probability of winning the division increased ~ 8% since the previous CAIRO projection back in december

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Feb 14, 2011 2:20 AM CST reply actions  

should even be more reliable

considering “CAIRO is designed to project rate statistics, not playing time. In Hosni’s case, playing time is the most crucial factor.” (comment #32)

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Feb 14, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow. That is one helluva whosh. From the whoshmaster, nonetheless.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

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We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

someone is going to take a whoshing here, dammit. And it better not be me.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like I'm victim of a pre-meditated whoshing conspiracy

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like I'm the victim of a pre-meditated whoshing conspiracy

I feel so used!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. That's an impressive example of posting fail

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

i knew wu wasn't serious

and i also thought some of those comments were pretty funny on that thread

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Feb 14, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew that you knew.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

uh-huh, surrrrrrre ya did.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

"In Hosni's case..." might've been the tip-off.

Whosh yourself, SISC.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

"I knew he was bluffing!"

I knew he was bluffing.

busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010

by South Side Expat on Feb 14, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like this a whole lot.

We’re gonna have to sit next tot each other at the meth-up.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You have already relinquished your seat.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 15, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

57% say Joe Crede

I’m thinking Joe Crede without the pop and higher on base. So I guess not really Joe Crede at all, and I voted Hulett because I don’t think Morel will be our starting 3B for more than a couple seasons.

That makes me more pessimistic than 77% of the community. However, going into 2011 I think he’s our best in-house option.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

btw, nice, extensive piece Ken. History has certainly not been kind to White Sox 3B's outside of Ventura and Crede.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

thanks.

it seems like every time we get someone decent they get injured fairly quickly and it ruins any promise that they had. Ventura being the exception.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 14, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if Morel avoids the 3B injury/suckitude curse...

He still needs to develop a better eye and some power or KW’s going to look for a replacement soon. I wish I shared the community’s optimism

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

i think it depends on just how good he is on the fielding side.

if he turns out to be gold glove material, they’ll be happy with him there given how cheap he is.

by craigws on Feb 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't be so sure of that.

Brian Anderson was the clear superior center fielder in 2006 and was benched for Rob Mackowiak who wouldn’t have been the best center fielder on my semi pro team at the time.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 14, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

well yeah,

i was taking morel being merely average with the bat as a given.
if good ol’ brian anderson could have managed that he might still be with the team.

by craigws on Feb 14, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone knows it doesn't take offense to win the Gold Glove.

It takes charisma, leadership, and dashing good looks. And jump throws.

"And he rips one into left! Konerko, grand slam!" —Joe Buck, 23 Oct 2005. Yes, I have had the date wrong for this long.

by mikecws91 on Feb 14, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

if he doesnt strike out

ozzie will love him

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Feb 14, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

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