Three lefties is a crowd in bullpen
Interlopers like Gordon Beckham may try to steal thunder, but Thursday was all about the battery, as White Sox pitchers and catchers reported to Camelback Ranch. Although it's mostly a ceremonial affair a la the first day of school, Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams made their first attempt at figuring out who might be the fifth starter in April.
The one guy it isn't: Chris Sale. Obviously this is less than optimal from a standpoint of value, and not just because a starter throws far more innings.
Evidently, the signing of Will Ohman was never intended as Sale insurance. And Sale wasn't preparing as a starter because he might have to fill in for Jake Peavy in April. It was all a tease:
"The reason I had Chris Sale prepare as a starter is because that's what he has done his whole life.
"So if you now tell him to prepare differently, might you not see the guy you last saw in September? We want him to prepare as he did so we can expect the same guy to show up. That means using all of his pitches and building him up as a starter.
"He has shown he can transfer that to a relief role," Williams said. "Had we said he's going to be a reliever from Day 1, might he prepare as a reliever and not build his arm up and legs up? We want him to be the best guy we just saw."
And as far as Ohman goes, Williams wanted three lefties in his pen:
"I think many people may have thought the Will Ohman acquisition was to have a second lefty to then allow Sale to move into the (rotation)," Williams said. "But no, I wanted three lefties because there are a few players in the division that really get on my nerves and I'm tired of watching them run around the bases. We're going to give our guys the best opportunity to get them out starting early in the game."
Let me just start by saying ... this ain't efficient.
I can understand the reasoning somewhat. Back in the first series of the season against Cleveland, Ozzie Guillen used Matt Thornton in all three games. He went three-up, three down in the first two games, but the Indians tied the game off Thornton in the finale. He faced Grady Sizemore in all three games, and Shin-Soo Choo and Travis Hafner saw him twice.
Thornton has faced those guys plenty in his career, and they all hit him relatively well. In fact, if you look at the top six AL Central hitters Thornton will be deployed against in 2011, he only has a track record of disabling one of them:
- Joe Mauer: .381/.381/.381 in 21 PA
- Travis Hafner: .222/.300/.333 in 20 PA
- Grady Sizemore: .333/.450/.533 in 20 PA
- Shin-Soo Choo: .316/.316/.526 in 19 PA
- Victor Martinez: .313/.421/.500 in 19 PA
- Justin Morneau: .111/.111/.111 in 18 PA
Of course, the common thread is that they are (or were, in a couple cases) very good hitters. These guys can hit just about any pitcher, and since Thornton throws fastballs 90 percent of the time, they know what's coming, and can lock in on one speed.
That's why it was such a big deal when Chris Sale made Joe Mauer look feeble, and that's why I figured Sale would find himself in the bullpen. Thornton is great, but he's very well known among his divisional foes. Sale is still a stranger, and with two off-speed pitches, it should take more time for hitters to figure him out. Having both of them in a bullpen should prevent situations like that Cleveland series arising.
Ohman, on the other hand, isn't going to scare anybody.
He spent the first half of 2010 in Baltimore, and that was only American League tour of duty before joining the Sox. Take a look at his splits and see if hitters were starting to figure him out by the time he was traded to Florida:
| Split | G | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | SB | CS | BB | SO | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| April/March | 12 | 30 | 24 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 5 | 1.00 | .208 | .333 | .292 | .625 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | .250 |
| May | 14 | 37 | 34 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 13 | 4.33 | .206 | .270 | .382 | .653 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .263 |
| June | 13 | 39 | 30 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 7 | 1.17 | .333 | .447 | .400 | .847 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | .417 |
| July | 12 | 29 | 23 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 1.00 | .348 | .429 | .522 | .950 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | .368 |
As you might expect, righties bludgeoned him over June and July (.417/.516/.500), which makes those lines a little bit misleading when considering what the Sox want Ohman to do. Problem was, he was pretty poor against lefties, too at the end of his Baltimore career. By month:
- April: .214/.333/.286 in 18 PA.
- May: .158/.238/.158 in 21 PA.
- June: .250/.357/.250 in 14 PA.
- July: .294/.381/.529 in 21 PA.
As far as we know, American League lefties had no issues in facing Ohman. There are small sample size issues, but Ohman's career doesn't do much to offset them. There's a reason the Sox are his sixth team in five years, and unlike Thornton, he doesn't have awesome stuff that just needs to be tamed. He throws in the low 90s and has a frisbee-type slider. He will not make Mauer quake in his spikes.
Back when the Sox signed Ohman, I said that we'd need to figure out what they planned to do with Chris Sale before coming to a conclusion. Now that we know, it's hard to figure out what Ohman can actually contribute. Look at Randy Williams last year. Even though he was the only non-Thornton lefty in the bullpen, he still went 13 games without pitching at one point.
If the second lefty can remain seated for an entire fortnight, it stands to reason that there will be even less use for a third lefty. And if Sergio Santos maintains his significant reverse splits, Ohman would actually be the fourth guy you'd want to see against a lefty.
That's not a great use of a roster spot, and an even worse use of $4 million over two years. Maybe it will make more sense in 2012.

In other pitcher news...
*Jake Peavy called his 40-pitch bullpen session "a good side session," building on the encouraging news of a clean MRI taken the week before. Williams said it isn't unthinkable that Peavy could be with the team in six weeks, but he's expecting a "blip" in his progress.
*Mark Buehrle did not back down from his comments about Michael Vick, saying, "Said it, meant it, it's over, and we'll move on." Kenny Williams didn't get involved, putting Buehrle's response in "the 'no drama for Kenny zone.'"
*John Danks has no issues with his open-ended contract status.

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*Chuck Garfien says that A.J. Pierzynski wants Gordon Beckham to say "no" to more people. It's a good look at how Pierzynski balances his heel act while accommodating the media fairly well.
*Speaking of Pierzynski, he's trying to tone down the hype around Sale, based on Beckham's sophomore struggles.
*Still speaking of Pierzynski, Gavin Floyd is glad he's back. That's notable to me, if only because Pierzynski is probably hardest on Floyd in terms of his behind-the-plate mannerisms, but Floyd responds to it.
*Edwin Jackson wants to get No. 36 back, but Juan Nieves will need to be bribed.
*J.J. tries to figure out how the back of the bullpen and emergency starters will shake out.
*Guillen "can't remember the names" discussed as potential guest stars in Peavy's spot, but Scot Gregor's likely list includes Philip Humber, Charlie Leesman and Lucas Harrell
*James warns against extracting too much meaning from spring training performances.
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Hey Jim....
Jackson wants to get his 36 number back…you have 33. Good analysis on Ohman. I think Guillen is aiming to have Thornton to close games, which leaves only 2 lefties for situational key game’s 7th and 8th innings. Probably Guillen/Williams do not want to give Sale too much exposure as it occurred with Thornton in your Cleveland example above. now if Guillen does not plan to use Thornton as only a closer, then “three is company” and I see your point. What I noticed in your stats, and worries me, is that Ohman seems to be a bit wild…too many walks. Awful Walks to K ratios….reminds me Randy Williams…(shudders)
Guess what....I am elliptical!!!
as far as i'm concerned this doesn't even make sense
We’re going to give our guys the best opportunity to get them out starting early in the game.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
Bullpen
Three leftys & 4 righties in the pen will be just fine to start the season. We will probably see 20 different combinations of guys over the course of the season! Ohman is the guy that scares everyone. He might be a bomb but you’ve gotta try something. I see Will as the one or two batter guy in the 6th or 7th inning. Does anyone know when we will need that fifth starter and want to venture a guess on who it will be??
Jerry Owens.
Kidding. Or are I?
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
No sir, I don't like it.
It could work in theory, I guess. Ozzie often seems reluctant to use his second lefty because he’s so worried about not having him when he really needs him. Thornton, on the other hand, showed up whenever because he was just the setup man, and not having him was no problem. With Thornton and Sale setting up and closing, Ozzie could use Ohman as a true LOOGY and not have to worry about having lefties for the higher leverage situations.
But if Thornton and Sale are going to see all the tough lefties in high leverage situations, then why have a LOOGY at all? I can already predict that Ozzie will be reluctant to use Ohman against any good lefties or lefties in high leverage situations, which basically makes his only use being platooned with other bad pitchers.
"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1
by mechanical turk on Feb 18, 2011 8:54 AM CST reply actions
I think they'll treat Thornton as neutral-handed, basically
Career .651 OPS against lefties, .670 OPS against righties. No real need to send him in against lefties.
Assuming Sale doesn’t struggle, I bet Thornton will see more right-handed batters than he ever has previously.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
wil ohman signing
I still really like the three lefties in the bullpen thing.
1. Ohman can exclusively be used vs lefties more easily now, thats a big positive.
2. If you have Thornton as a closer you can use Sale in the new Thornton role of coming in at the most crucial point in a game vs other teams best hitters innings 6 7 or 8
3. Who honostly thinks Peavy makes it through the entire season healthy, and knock on wood but MB, Danks, Jackson, Floyd have been remarkably healthy, this team has no starting pitching depth and if one guy goes down “long term” the sox are going to be forced to put sale in the rotation they wont let their all in season rest on lucas harrels shoulders.
i'd find it remarkably unlikely that sale would be moved from a one inning role to a starting role during the season.
Really
Even if one of the top 5 starters goes down long term??? Its not going from 1 inning to starting either its going from being a bullpen guy who may throw 2-4 innings per week to a guy that would need to throw 5-6 innings per week.
so
you would let the season waste away if a major injury occurs to a starter because your scared to use a guy that was drafted as a starter, as a starter? I dont like that logic, even if you had to send Sale to AAA to get stretched out for 3 or 4 starts, if one of the big 5 goes down, you have to go to the best option, that isnt philip humber or lucas harrell
Not sure where that has worked.
Sure, someone going to closer from starter during the season has worked, but I can’t recall the opposite being successful.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
by winningugly on Feb 18, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
the problem is time.
as pointed out, sale would need to be stretched out. possibly one could do that in the majors, in some sort of tandem start situation, most likely with a tony pena. but more likely you’re just going to send sale to the minors. so you’ve lost a starter, lost sale for a few weeks while he’s stretched out and, in the meantime, you have to use someone like pena or humber to start anyway. the white sox are far more likely to just stick with sale in the bullpen (who presumably would be doing a fine job) instead of demoting him and trying him out in an entirely new role, and go with someone inhouse like pena, either for the short term or until KW acquires a better option.
I agree 100% with your rationale.
Still would rather see him start.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
i'm firmly on board with that notion.
i’d also prefer they didn’t jerk him around. if he’s going to start, let him do that from the beginning. if not, leave him in the bullpen.
if jackson or someone blows out their elbow march 5, i think you would see sale be given strong consideration to start. but once we get to late march, i think they’re pretty much set with his role, whatever happens.
Teahen is finishing up his direct deposit process
to insure he has full FDIC coverage.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
by winningugly on Feb 18, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Is anyone here actually pulling for Teahen to win the starting 3rd baseman job?
Because I know I’m on Team Morel for sure.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Naw, none of us here are that stupid/drunk.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's Friday.. past noon 2HA.
Many of us could easily be that drunk.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
The timing of the question was key in actually creating two opposing teams.
You blew my cover.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I mean....that's pretty damn drunk.
Not Miggy Cabrera drunk, but really, really close. I mean, come on now. Who here is drunk enough to want Tbad to have a starting role?
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
He has a starting role.
Ever since he got the extension he started to piss me off.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
You could easily make an argument for him to play well.
Makes him or Morel expendable in a trade, makes his contract reasonable, etc..
I certainly don’t hope he fails. If he’s not starting, I want it to be because Morel took the job from him, not because Teahen is bad.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 18, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's his defense. There's no way he's ever going to be the defender Morel is,
even if morel is bad. I’d much rather put up with an above average glove/minus bat than an average bat/well below average glove. I’m not routing for Tbad to fail as a successful utility player, but I certainly hope he gets no where near starting at third.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
*rooting
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
That's where I'm at right now.
I can just see it now… Game 7 of the World Series, bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, Chris Sale on the hill, there’s the pitch, a routine grounder to Teahen at third, fielded well, play-by-play announcer is already faking excitement in his voice as he knows the final out is coming, and then Teahen airmails the ball about 5 feet over Konerko’s head. The White Sox lose the World Series all because Mark Teahen decided to bat 1.000 in spring training without any errors.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
bases loaded. he steps on third and the sox are world series champs.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
by mick10 on Feb 18, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
it was a full count with two outs and the runners were off with the pitch
thereby eliminating a chance of a force out.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
fine. he tags the runner coming to 3rd. game over. champagne time.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
by mick10 on Feb 18, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
nope, the runner that was on second was usain bolt
so he’s already safe at third.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
if he is legitimately better than morel i have no problem with it.
i’d be very surprised if that happened though.
Mrs. Teahen's future divorce attorney.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
if we want to go with a bad defender at third
id rather see viciedo than teahen.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No question.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Feb 18, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Peavy has a "young Babe Ruth" look going on.
Coincidence?
"If you think Paul Konerko is going to have a year like 2010, you need to remove some of that rose tint from your glasses...the year was an outlier...it was a fluke."- Kevin Goldstein, Baseball Prospectus (on WSCR radio 2/17/11)
That's "Chicago Tough", baby!
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jim, nice that you are stealing TP's weekend roundup already.
The power consolidation continues…
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
except Jim's links are actually relevant
not to be confused with Jimmy’s links which make for a wonderful breakfast…
I enjoy the weekly roundup...
they just aren’t always white sox centered. two different styles, why not have them both?
Yeah, I try to only link to time-sensitive stuff that would be old news by Sunday.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Uh huh.
’Cause a “weekly round-up” is expected to be timely.
Kim Il Jong got nuthin’ on SM.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
Ouch!
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
F'in JC reports, via twitter that ozzie wants the lineup to be
Pierre, Beck, Rios, Dunn, Kong, Q, AJ, Lex and Morel.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions
I don't see that as a horrible idea.
Rios seemed to perform pretty well hitting third last year. If you want him to utilize his speed on the basepaths in front of the huge RBI guys like Dunn and Konerko then this makes sense, unless you want to have him hit second. I’ve considered this before as well. If Rios falters hitting third in the lineup then you can shift him back to hitting fifth.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 18, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
you want dunn coming up to bat as often as possible.
this doesn’t do that. which makes it a not very good idea.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the difference between
the number 3 slot and the number 4 slot equates to, what, maybe 15 or 20 plate appearances a season? I’m not sure that merits any concern.
"It's like an elephant rodeo in there."
indeed.
for those who have never read the book, or otherwise read about batting order.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
fair enough.
though i’m not convinced that rios should be hitting third (the latter half of last year concerns me) to ensure there are plenty of runners on base for when donkey comes up.
one should normally bat one's 5th best hitter (roughly using OBP as the measure) in the 3rd spot.
i’d say that about describes rios. obviously the glaring issue with that batting order is pierre batting first. or if you think beckham is 2010 beckham.
the article you linked to above about this is pretty interesting.
goes against the conventional wisdom i’d picked up. i’ll be paying particular attention to that over the course of the season.
i’m fine with beckham second.
who would you have leading off?
i think Beckham is probably best there
by the book, something like:
Beckham
Dunn
Rios
Konerko
Quentin
AJ
Alexei
Pierre
Morel
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I'll take that bet, too.
You are on crack tonight.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
Doesn't mean he's overwhelmingly likely to do so again though.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
You think he will supplant Rios, or Paulie, or Dunn?
He batted 3rd when he was a force. He is no longer a force and is a good 6th place hitter.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
No, that's part of my point.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 19, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
i swear that's what i said it was going to be.
the only real issue with that lineup is the number of PAs that go to Pierre.
Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!
Pierre batting leadoff is hopefully is enough to satisfy Ozzie's wanting to be Ozzie with lineups.
Really, with the way Pierre played the 2nd half last year, I don’t have any problems with it.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Feb 18, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors linked to the Konerko piece in their blog roundup...
And this comment was left underneath it:
South Side Sox is a giant circle jerk of malcontents.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
At first I read the poster's name as Matt Merullo
and I thought, “Yeah, okay, you’ve got a right to be hostile.”
It's nice that WTGTD has found a new home...
Good for him.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I was surprised by the correct spelling to, but hey. Blind squirrel and all that
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
wrongo
this is the real name of 18 comment wonder astralpanda.
though if he hates us, we’re in good company.
and on a fun side note, look down a few posts. nostradamus indeed.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
We hardly knew ye...
"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 18, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
his myspace blurb is gold
The first thing you need to know about me is that well, I’m fairly insane. Do not expect me to be like anyone else you’ve ever met. I tend to march to the beat of my own drum. Most people think I’m shy when they first meet me in person. Couldn’t be further from the truth really. Although, I do need time to feel comfortable with some people. I like to study people and find out what makes them tick. I like having fun. I like to drink but not so much so that I’m gonna puke or be terribly ill the next day. I love playing sports, love playing video games. I LOVE music. I love to attempt to play and write music. I pride myself on being spontaneous, original and creative and I tend to gravitate towards people that are the same way. I believe we have to make fun of ourselves and try not to take everything so seriously. But most of all, I just wanna be loved.
i must say, i find myself very content with it. could someone jerk me off now?
I remember when he kept telling me that listening to a Eminem album on shrooms made him like it
He went out of the way to point it out too or three times. Pretty sure this is the one that Eminem says embarrasses him now because he was so badly addicted
That's some good stalkin' there Lou.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Feb 18, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
i prefer to think of SSS
as a ham and jam of ne’er do wells.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
by BuehrleMan on Feb 18, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I think we're a more aptly described as a conglomerate of
rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, Mugs, Pugs, Thugs, Nitwits, Half-wits, Dimwits, Vipers, Snipers, Con men, Indian Agents, Mexican Bandits. Muggers, Buggerers, Bushwhackers, Bulldykes, Hornswagglers, Train robbers, Ass-Kickers, Shit-Kickers……and Methodists.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
and desperados.
But i was doing it from memory.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
What amazes me is that 2HA forgot
Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.
"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 18, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You magnificent bastard.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
c'est moi!
"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 18, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget no-good-nicks.
- "You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Simpson. He says he will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghost."
- "Remember...we parked in the Itchy Lot."
- "The frogurt is also cursed."
by Alex Houston on Feb 18, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
yes!
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
i think he's saying
fuck matt manzella.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
by BuehrleMan on Feb 18, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
THE matt manzella?
of z97’s Rockin’ Morning Show with Sweet Jerry and the Manimal fame?!?!
Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!
Can't it be both?
I actually thought it was funny, if only because it was in response to a rather optimistic post that engendered a fine discussion. Like he was just waiting for the blog to be mentioned so he could tell everybody exactly what he thought of it.
SSS does have a reputation of being excessively hostile, but I’m happy with the way it’s going so far.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
How about some of our posters
That are blogging on this hostile website while residing in a hostile country?
I’m speaking of our crew that is on location in N Korea scouting potential bullpen catching prospects.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How about some of our posters
That are blogging on this hostile website while residing in a hostile country?
I’m speaking of our crew that is on location in N Korea scouting potential bullpen catching prospects.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm totally pulling a WU today, I apologize
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd say it is an improvement from being dumb pack animals
but I’d like to know what everyone else thinks before deciding
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 18, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim, you've done a remarkable job in cleaning the place up while letting us have our fun.
Don’t let anyone tell you different. You are good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, SSS likes you.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Feb 18, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Excessively hostile?
What the fuck do you mean? Send me your address!
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
by winningugly on Feb 18, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
manzella?
thats the name of my top SSS prospect in BMO! time to drop the axe.
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
SS even
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
kudos to whoever responded to that
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
Relentlessly Optimistic Post For No Reason Alert:
God above I hope Peavy actually does come back healthy and dominant. I want to be wrong about him and his acquisition because I really do think that Alabama-son-of-a-bitch can dominate this league in this ballpark and lead this team to a championship. Fuck me, it’s not even 5 and I’m already Friday-night drunk. Damnit.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions
You're still coming over to babysit, right?
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 4:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
It is offically spring
We have the first Flowers Blooming headline of the season
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/flowers-looks-to-blossom-with-new-approach.html
Pujols to the Cubs rumors?
From what I can surmise, some people think that because Pujols did not sign today that he is going to become a Cub? Has Wrigley become a vortex that sucks in all free agents?
I was down in St Louis all week
All the news was pujols. Cardinal nation is a bunch of Neanderthals anyways, but this is driving them over the edge. I spoke with a season ticket holder and he had some good points. Mainly, add the additional cost to the ticket price and advertise that’s what you’re doing. Most season ticket holders would rather pay the extra cash for a team that is a perennial contender with pujols than a cheaper ticket price for a team that might be much worse, therefore making their tickets worthless… like my 2007 season tickets turned out to be. Boers face it, season ticket holders don’t go to all the games, but instead sell some of them off, give away some to business clients, etc. If nobody wants them, then that’s a problem. Will it hurt attendance, maybe. But I wouldn’t think too much. This is St Louis fed chrissakes, what else is there to do? In my opinion he’s staying. Pay the man
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Boers = let's
How the f’ did Terry boers hack my post?!
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Barry Rozners dumbass
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110208/sports/702089761/
Interestingly, the wild card here is the fans themselves.
If the Cubs suffer through another rotten season, and fans stay away in droves again, Pujols might be just the panic button Ricketts decides to push.
Of course, if the Cubs are that bad again, surrounding Pujols with bad just makes the Cubs a little better than bad.
So when does Jim leave us to take Rozner's job?
Rozner sounds like an idiot on radio and also writes like one.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 18, 2011 5:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His hockey writing is slightly better than baseball
but still terrible… maybe he can do something with that
Still better than Phil Rogers.
Please God. Anyone but Rogers.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs fans
The last time the Cubs drew significantly less the the average was 81-83. There were some really bad teams since then yet people come out in droves even though the place is a dump and it is now one of the most expensive tickets in baseball. I think ricketts will figure out what the tribune company figured out. Re-sign the fan favorites spend just enough to look respectable and every once in a while you can catch a break with your young players( 1984, 1989, 2003) and the fans will come out in droves regardless. There is such a large number of casual Cub fans and don’t necessarily care how good or bad they are that it masks any mediocre defection of the hardcore fans. By the way, why would Pujols leave a franchise that actually tries to win?
by parkernutws05 on Feb 18, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
You just wait ten more years.
The next generation of fans is going to be influenced much more by the ‘05 Sox than the Cubs front office would ever care to admit. Don’t forget, before Harry Carey and WGN afternoon broadcasts in the early ‘80s, the town was way up for grabs as far as loyalty to teams.
Hell, I could easily name the ’84 Cubs lineup, don’t ask me to do the same for the Sox. Why? Coming home from school and having those Cubs games be the only thing decent on TV to watch in that pre-cable era where we had what, 5-6 channels OTA? WGN was big and bad ass. They took that, went super station all over the country, and as a result? Cubs fans. Now, when you look at the changing demographics of the city, (becoming much more latino based,) and the fact that WGN isn’t the only channel 10 yr olds can watch baseball on… If the Cubs don’t put up in the next few years, they are in for some serious hurting when the next generation comes around to being grown-up and being able to afford the exorbitant ticket prices.
In the past few years, the number of options for outdoor beer consuming fun have grown exponentially. Unless the Cubs get their shit together, those are gonna be way more attractive for the price/util value. Add that to the shifting demographics, and well… the Ricketts have purchased themselves a nice Titanic.
Rearrange the deck chairs with some new paint fellas.
busy weaving laurel wreath for k dawg and JR. These guys are straight up gangsta this year. -LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010
by South Side Expat on Feb 19, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Cardinals fans are actually pretty knowledgeable
and measured. Quite hospitable, too. But imagine SSS if we’d had Pujols as long as St. Looie has. Deaths would have occured by now.
He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.
The ones that can read maybe.
the masses of them…less so.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 18, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

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