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AL Central Contender WAR: Hitters

 

After a couple of weeks of single-minded projectile focus on the White Sox, it seems reasonable enough to cast a wider net and figure out how this club stacks up against the intra-division competition.  As such, no attention at all will be paid to the Royals or Indians.  It's not impossible for either team to compete or even win the division, but the root cause would be a massive luck injection.

As usual, I can turn to a couple projection systems for guidance.  Both ZiPS and Marcel have projections out that I've used in the past.  There are a few differences between the systems worth mentioning.  For one, ZiPS is proprietary, so we don't know exactly what goes in it.  The Saber Library has a nice short rundown of what we do know:

[ZiPS] uses weighted averages of four years of data (three if a player is very old or very young), regresses pitchers based on DIPS theory and BABIP rates, and adjusts for aging by looking at similar players and their aging trends.

So it uses past performance to predict future performance, it regresses to the mean and has an age adjustment.  Just like Marcel so far.  Primarily, they differ in how much they know.  Marcel is built to be the bare bones of acceptability.  So it knows nothing about a players past performance outside of the major leagues and uses the same aging curve for everyone.  ZiPS uses minor league numbers and translates them to approximately what major league performance level that has meant in the past.  As SL mentioned, it also generates a series of comparable players to assist in projecting performance decline as the projectee ages.  For example, ZiPS has Juan Pierre's career top 3 comparables as Jason Tyner, Tony Womack and Kerry Robinson.  Career combined HR: 40 in 7461 plate appearances.  So that checks out.

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Which is nice, but Marcel isn't really going to have trouble making projections just because it can't pick out various incarnations of the Demongrinder Nick Punto.**  Rather, it struggles with players it knows nothing about.  In the Marcel system, players with no big league experience are projected for a league average 200 PA.  So give ZiPS more consideration the less experienced the player(s) projected is(are).

Anyway, I took both of those systems' projected batting lines for starters, added some defensive projections that I in no way influenced other than giving Nishioka an average rating at second base and came up with WAR projections as if all starters played 150 games.  So there's no health component, it's just talent measured against talent:

Both ZiPS and Marcel prefer the Twins' talent to the Sox and Tigers, which both see as about equal.  The gap comes to about 2-3 wins, which puts the Twins at an advantage so long as they can keep Mauer and Morneau healthy:

 

Playing time is in at bats because ZiPS only comes in ABs, but they still tell the story.  They've got solid hitters, but both Marcel and ZiPS think that only certain of their best hitters will get a full-season's work.  That'll be decided by in part by Ron Gardenhire and part by who's healthy. The big question is Morneau, discussed earlier by U-G, and how well he'll recover from head injuries.  If he's healthy, Gardy's left choosing between Jason Kubel and Jim Thome at DH.  As is true and ever was, the more Thome, the better for his team.  His team...the Twins.  Curse as you see fit. 

If the worst happens and Morneau misses the year, they've got Kubel and Thome to replace all but 2 wins or so, which brings them about even with the rest of the competition.  Though again, that's worst case. It's reasonable to project at least 300 PA for Morneau according to Marcel and ZiPS.  Reading the papers lends the opposite feeling as checking the ever-bold fangraphs fans.  If the fans prove right with their Morneauptimism, cue the DH logjam and more than enough protection in case a non-Morneau/Mauer starter goes down. 

 

The Tigers are similarly top heavy.  Without Miguel Cabrera, Detroit is a team of average-ish players.  The only real upside on the team is between Victor Martinez playing acceptably behind the plate as much as possible, Austin Jackson and the aforementioned Cabrera.  They've got some young players and a solid collection of talent overall, but most possess a mundane ceiling.  If some prove injury prone, they'll just throw a different pretty decent guy out there.  Jhonny Peralta goes down, in goes Ramon Santiago.  Not much lost.  Incidentally, the other thing about the depth the Tigers have is it gives them more chances to catch someone breaking out.  It's pretty unlikely, but they're giving themselves a chance there.

Also note that Marcel likes both Avila and Jackson despite their relative lack of experience.  Marcel regresses heavily to the league average in such cases.  Systems like ZiPS tend to make prospects prove they can do it before grading out that high.

 

Reminder of the community projection, playing time adjusted for.  The Sox have basically compressed the talent of the Tigers into fewer players.  Yeah, they've got a few potential backup 1 win types like everyone else, but they lose the most going to their bench.  Teahen, Omar, Viciedo, Milledge, and De Aza all have their uses, but there are few situations where the Sox are sitting Santiago to play Peralta.  Pierre can sit whenever even though he won't.  Morel can be demoted and Vizquel/Teahen/Viciedo inserted.  If Quentin can't find it, the move from Q to a Teahen/Milledge platoon could be made.**  Beyond that, the Sox need everyone to pull their weight. 

Alternatively, the gap between the starters and the bench could be seen as the Sox cashing in on Herm Schneider.  Kenny figures there's no point to pay for guys who need to be good enough to start when you can bet on your decided schematic advantage.  Which is that the White Sox have reliably kept their guys healthier than anyone in the league for a long time.  Just how literally are we supposed to take Jerry Reinsdorf's big All In?  I wonder if that wasn't the buzzword of the brain trust the whole winter.  From Rick Hahn's mouth to Brooks Boyer's ears.

 

 

 

 

*Since Bud Selig took over, every time an MLBer slides head first into 1B a new Punto is forged from the hellmouth occupying Ron Gardenhire's backyard.

**In thoughts I don't let myself think while binging on "So Complicated" by Avril Lavigne, Jordan Danks comes out of nowhere to replace a slumping Q and in so doing fulfills the dynastic imperative of the Chicago Dankses.  Or so the story is told in windworn West Texas saloons. 

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nice write-up colin,

i had hoped that the WAR difference b/w the twins and sox among hitters was closer. but it might be close enough if the sox and twins pitchers give similar performance collectively this year as last. i guess you’re leaving me hanging for part 2 with WAR for pitchers :)

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Feb 22, 2011 4:01 AM CST reply actions  

Peavy

By looking at the projections for the hitters above, the more I think the health of Peavy is going to matter.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 22, 2011 7:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess. I think Peavy would provide a huge advantage

The most important thing I think is keeping 4 starters healthy for the whole year. That’s the basis I think for the team to compete.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 22, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Two to three wins

has to be within the error bar of these methods so it would appear that game 163 to determine the AL Central champ is again a good possibility. Bud should permanently adopt a play-in game for the AL Central.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Feb 22, 2011 5:18 AM CST reply actions  

Good, detailed work, colin.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2011 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

Oh gee a properly done team comparsion

well done.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 22, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

This is great, Colin.

Thanks. I read a story yesterday about Morneau. I feel sorry for the guy. The only thing clear about his condition is that nothing is clear.

by palehose67 on Feb 22, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

that's quite an oversight.

poor.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Feb 22, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

correction has been added

and now Morel is listed as starting at 3B.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Feb 22, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

that was good of him.

too few writers willing to correct mistakes like that.

by craigws on Feb 22, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

OC not retiring from just SSS.
“This is my last season,” Cabrera said. “Something I’ve seen in professional ball since I signed, and something that has made an impression on me, is when a manager calls a player to his office to release him. That, for me, is the saddest thing I’ve seen outside of the death of a beloved family member. It’s something indescribable, although it’s normal in this job. I’ve always said my retirement would be under my own terms, and this is a great opportunity for me. I’m leaving without them telling me, ‘We don’t want to see you anymore around here.’”

http://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/deportes/orlando-cabrera-no-le-teme-al-retiro-9253

by larry on Feb 22, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

latino mediaed again.
Call off the retirement party: Orlando Cabrera told the U.S. media today that the report in the Colombian newspaper was wrong and that he’s not going to retire after 2011. And then — as if he was targeting me specifically — he said "I feel I can play for many years. I feel I’m in the best shape of my life. I feel awesome. I don’t feel old at all."

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/22/orlando-cabrera-to-call-it-quits-after-2011/

by larry on Feb 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

OC, you so crazy!

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

kenny continues to defend the little man:

http://www.csnchicago.com/02/22/11/Williams-refuses-to-backtrack-on-comment/spring_training_news_whitesox.html?blockID=415646&feedID=621

"I grew up in the Bay Area [with] the Oakland A’s of the 1970s, the Cincinnati Reds, the Big Red Machine," Williams said. "In the late seventies (1979), who was it? The Pittsburgh Pirates. In the early eighties (1985), Kansas City won their first championship. These are all what? Small market teams, teams that at that time had a fighting chance because of their expertise, intellect, and how they put together teams.

by craigws on Feb 22, 2011 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Swear to Christ, Ken,

that was my reaction even before reading your comment. I is scared to be thinking your thought pattern.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2011 7:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

shut up for what guys?

he’s clearly Jerry’s mouthpiece in this as it sets up owner vs owner. I agree with him, 125 million payroll or not what Yanks can do is bullshit.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 23, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Because the Sox are anything but a small market team.

Don’t you see some hypocrisy in his caterwauling? Just a little? “Owner posturing” aside.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really

I doubt KW would be opposed to a system in which all teams had the same restrictions (ala NFL). Just my opinion.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Feb 23, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

not to mention every GM worth his salt is going to think

a level playing field is to his advantage.

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by colintj on Feb 23, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Be literal.

He’s talking about small market teams. We are not a small market. Can’t have it both ways.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Because I'd bet he wants the playing field leveled for the Sox.

FTSMT. They can always move.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe.

but then he’s just being disingenuous, not hypocritical.

by larry on Feb 23, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

manager complains teams spends too much

said manager has spent 125 million on his own team, which is somewhere in the top eight.

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by blackoutsox on Feb 23, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Gang of Four!

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Compared to the Yankees

We kind of are. It’s basically everyone else vs. one or two teams. The White Sox are closer to teams like the Twins than they are the Yankees.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 23, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

well sure

Boston was able to put together a WS contender, in the East none the less, over an offseason. Nobody is going to be close to generating BoSox or Yankees cash.

by 815Sox on Feb 24, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

the twins payroll is about $115M.

we can stop pretending they’re small market now.

by larry on Feb 24, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Its hard to predict any sport

especially baseball… so much shit can go for or against your favor

by 815Sox on Feb 24, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

well i don't really have a problem with making my own projections as far as the season goes.

i just get annoyed when i hear during the year “they play the season on a computer 10000000 times and so and so has a 74 percent chance at winning the division”. that to me is stupid and pretty irresponsible.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 24, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

how is it irresponsible?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 25, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

because it is stupid.

and being stupid is irresponsible… what in the hell does playing the games on the computer have anything to do with the actual games?

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 25, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

god dammit.

why did you bring up vegas now i’m gunna be mad all night i don’t have a trip scheduled yet.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 25, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Calm down.

Oprah channel plays all day and night. Tee it up and relax. Embrace your inner uterus.

He was the last vestige of a time when men named Rube and Mordecai and Smokey Joe and Grover strode as giants upon the land, their won-loss records both gleaming and gory, good and bad entangled.

by winningugly on Feb 25, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

well that's sound logic

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 26, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

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