Way Down: Looking at the AL Central Second Basemen
If you thought last week's article painted a glib portrait of positional mediocrity in the division, then looking at the gentlemen who man the keystone will be a fairly similar downer. The group consists of a former prized prospect coming off a sophomore slump, a shortstop joining his sixth team in five years, an increasingly fragile Japanese import, an aging and increasingly fragile former shortstop, and a young and speedy china doll.
Cleveland: Hey guys! It's your old pal OC!. Instead of retiring and quietly riding off into the sunset, the mercenary known as Orlando Cabrera chose to join his third AL Central team by signing with the Indians this winter. He'll be shifting over to second base full time, a position he hasn't played since 2000 for the Montreal Expos. OrCa's fielding hadn't abandoned him yet at short, so he should make a pretty decent second baseman defensively. His bat is a different story. For the third straight year, his slash line showed an overall decrease as his power and ability to get on base continue to atrophy. Expect a mid-.600 OPS with a handful of homeruns and 10-25 SB. Cabrera is circling the drain at this point.
Kansas City: Lacking a true uber-prospect at the position, Chris Getz seems to have quite a bit of job security as the Royals' second baseman for the near future. The former White Sox is very fast and could easily steal 30 bases over an entire season. The only problem with that is that he'll probably never stay healthy for an entire season. Mr. Glass is frequently injured and offers almost nothing else other than his good baserunning skills. There is no power to speak of, no ability to get on base, and no glove. But he's cheap, and that's really all that should currently matter to the Royals.
Detroit: After playing SS, LF, 3B, and DH for the Tigers over the past five seasons, Carlos Guillen appears to be settling in at second base. This is the first time since 2006-2007 that Guillen is slated to get the majority of his starts at the same position for consecutive season. Guillen has not been able to stay on the field over the past three years, not playing more than 113 games in any of them. When healthy, Carlos is capable of an OPS around .750-.830 with double digit homeruns. He used to be able to steal a dozen or so bases, but those days seem to be behind him. Unless he has a great year, this is most likely Guillen's last season as a full-time starter.
Minnesota: I'm not entirely sure what to expect from Tsuyoshi Nishioka. The 26 year switch-hitter is making the transition to the Twins and MLB after spending the past eight seasons playing for the Chiba Lotte Marines of the Nippon Pro Baseball League. Nishioka was a 10-15 homerun hitter over the past few years, though one would suspect this to decrease slightly due to the new league and Target Field suppressing homeruns in general. He has good speed and could steal 20-30 bases and should get on base at around a league average rate. It's hard to say how much of an effect the league difference will have on Tsuyoshi. He could be like Ichiro Suzuki and Hideki Matsui and enjoy a relatively easy transition or be the next Kaz Matsui.
Chicago: Gordon Beckham seemed to be turning his slumping season around late last summer until his until his unfortunate hand injury. With a full year under his belt, Beckham should show some improvement defensively and at least bounce back to the offensive levels he showed as a rookie in the 2009 season. Expect an OPS just below or around .800 with about 15 homeruns.
Conclusion: Other than Gordon Beckham, this is one of the ugliest positional groups in the division. Carlos Guillen finishes second, despite fragility, due to his bat being generally better than the other options. Tsuyoshi Nishioka comes in third because I don't feel comfortable putting a guy I only have a foreign league's statistics for any higher than that. Orlando Cabrera finishes fourth, because unlike Chris Getz he can actually stay healthy.
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nicely done.
Nishioki was the batting champion over there though and he is in his prime, I think I’d have him ahead of Carlos Guillen.
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i agree
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 10, 2011 3:02 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take Guillen over Nishioka.
Last year was only Nishioka’s second season missing less than 20 games, and it was the first time he hit over .300. I can’t find BABIP stats for NPB, but I’d expect a guy who hits 46 points over his career high batting average has a lot of luck on his side. I see a .280 AVG with single-digit home runs, no more than 20 SB, and several games missed. I’ll take Guillen’s power over Nishioka’s speed.
guillen has played in 68, 81 and 113 games the past three seasons. if nishioka is fragile, i don't know what word you'd use for guillen.
brittle.
the password is brittle.
"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 10, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
i enjoy that tsuyoshi means
sturdy and strong
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
he's been good
it’s just a question of how he handles all the differences that come with the league change.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
let's hope not
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 10, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
no way
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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
you're talking living in a cardboard box man :)
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 10, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
White, same size, both doubles hitters, Sox products, southern boys
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
by OznCoop on Mar 10, 2011 9:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is he? I've never been to Michigan...
but my impressions are that it’s nothing like the South. Georgia, in particular.
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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
lol you might be surprised by how much MI is like the south… especially places like Baldwin, Lowell, and Ionia.
Trailertowns?
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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'd think
If you compared it to the Charlotte area, you wouldn’t be that far off. (the surrounding area that is, obviously big cities are a bit different).
by Grinder in Training on Mar 10, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, gotcha.
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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
ha ha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDCCcxlKzDU&feature=player_embedded
and this one i just think is hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsR0DeY7f1g&feature=player_embedded
by phan8787 on Mar 10, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol. Rec'd
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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, dude's videos are hilarious
phe-nomenal
ri-diculous
Signed
~Jim Rome
lol
you’ll encounter swarms so great, you’ll wonder- why the hell do i live in michigan?
this game is crack cocaine soaked in heroin, rolled in meth-amphetamine, then baked into a double dutch chocolate fudge brownie.- Shoeless In SC on BMO
construction
the construction one anyone, MI or Chicago, can identify with
This one's for colin and Chicago Pete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Kz6Rw99Kk&feature=related
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
getz is from grosse pointe
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I know jack shit about baseball...
but I think it’s assumed that Beckham’s “doubles hitting” will turn into gap power and HRs, while Getz’ doubles hitting will turn into ground outs and fly outs as he grows into a poor man’s Frank Menechino.
by TasteeFreeze on Mar 10, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
you remind me of a marquette game I watched a week ago
Hazell on the other team kept being compared to kobe by the anouncers. the only comparsion I could find was that they were both black.
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
by blackoutsox on Mar 10, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
much like juan pierre is the poor man's willie mays?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Maybe willie mays hayes
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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
More or less ya
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
by OznCoop on Mar 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
cool
just wanted to make sure it was a baseless race comparison, not just a complete misunderstanding of skill sets and geography
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by U-God on Mar 10, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
If all of them played up to their current potential...
I’d go with Beckham, Guillen, Nishioka, Cabrera, and Getz. Basically what you said.
Guillen and Cabrera could surprise us, but they’re so old I’d feel good betting against it.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
it's interesting that UG gives Suzuki/(Hediki) Matsui and Kaz as his range for comps
for nishioka, if tad iguchi is the happy medium, that’s probably a 2.5-3 WAR, which is closer to the value i’m projecting for becks
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 10, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
I expect Sizemore to get the majority abs at second for Detroit
doesn’t matter though because Beckham is still at the top of this class. It doesn’t get a lot of press but I am very pleased that Minnesota swapped out their double play combo this year.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
For future reference, please avoid posting photos where the Teh Beckham is being mounted.
Christ may be a closeted homosexual, but Savior Bacon (get it???) is not.
"We know where your thumb is." - winningugly
You have to actually insert the link.
You can’t just type the word “link” , close your eyes, click your heels together, and wish it to take you wherever you want it to. ;)
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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
its fucking 2011. It should do that by now.
I shant be misled a second time
by Nordhagen on Mar 10, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It will by next year
Too bad the world ends and we only get to enjoy it for a little bit.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
If they'd made Olivo an offer a year ago they'd be set.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
The commentary from Twins fans is awesome
Well, maybe if the Twins send them Wilson Ramos and- wait, never mind. The Twins have $7.1 million set-up man Matt Capps instead.
It’s all part of the plan. First Ramos, then Hardy for two scrub relievers, and soon Slowey for a couple of bullpen arms as well. We’ll see who’s laughing when Bill “Evil Mastermind” Smith wins a World Series with Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, and 23 middle relievers!
Who needs Hardy when you can have Alexi Casilla? Sure, JJ Hardy may be better at hitting and playing defense. However, Casilla has way more “get-after-it”, and is superior at “battling his tail off out there”.
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
i feel a bit like the sox were dicks for either
a) making that offer
b) not telling thornton he so silly if the offer came from his side
they can make it up to him in 2015
Yes that stuff is rich
And Yes Matt Thornton is a crazy man.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
He'd have a hard time now explaining he wasn't drunk before getting in the car after witnesses report what he said.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
With everyone hyping Beckham as a top prospect
it’s a bit disappointing to see him as a bottom
by dr. lingerie on Mar 10, 2011 11:49 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
His lifestyle is his own damn business
by TasteeFreeze on Mar 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Are you suggesting
changing his nickname from “Bacon” to “Power Bottom”?
"I'm tired of pretending I'm not special...I'm tired of pretending I'm not a total bitchin' rock star from Mars." – Actor turned nutjob Charlie Sheen (NBC-TV interview - 2/28/11)
Holy shit the latest Smells Like Mascot is hilarious
That damn lemonhead commercials gets played over and over again.
humber pitching v texas. 2 scoreless innings.
free audio, texas feed.
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?ymd=20110310&c_id=tex
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
Geez what happened to him?
His 4 years in AAA were brutal after he turned 23.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
how bad could he have been? he had a winning record!
he was 33-32.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
viciedo walked.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
mark teahen is literally on fire.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
He's hitting .563 in Spring Training
All is forgiven?
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
That's his fielding percentage.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Mar 10, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
That is droll, and perfect.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
Nope.
Margalus for the win.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
Give props where they are due.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
I rec'd it, MFer. You want a parade?
"We know where your thumb is." - winningugly
by RWShow on Mar 10, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
My guide sa PAC 10 tourney on CSN tonight...
But I thought the sox game was supposed to be on CSN?
by nsam93 on Mar 10, 2011 4:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Unfortunate news, courtesy of Sun Times beat writer Dick Van Dyke
viciedo fractured thumb. out three to four weeks
KenWo wept.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
i did. so should everyone else. dude was on pace for some big things this year.
this will no doubt slow him down. fucking shit.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Glass POS.
Good thing we have the rugged Quentin to MAN UP in RF!
:-)
"We know where your thumb is." - winningugly
by RWShow on Mar 10, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Noooooooo
Does anyone have any knowledge about thumb injuries for hitters? Is it like a wrist injury where power will be affected even after the injury?
by nsam93 on Mar 10, 2011 4:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There will probably be a lag
The good news for Viciedo is that he won’t have to try and play through the worst of the pain.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Mar 10, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
because he could be playing in the minors
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
its not a total bummer that a prospect everyone has high hopes for
and who has been having an awesome spring breaks his thumb? whether he’s playing in the majors or not it is indeed a total bummer. just like mitchell’s injury was last year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
mitchell's injury was a total bummer
because of the long-term nature of it.
yeah, viciedo’s injury sucks, but he’ll be back swinging hard in the minors soon enough.
Thank you for acknowleging the efficacy of my pain
and telling KenWo to shut the hell up about his.
At least that is my interpretation of it.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
Dammit.
I had nothing to do with this.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
F-O-C-U-S
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Mar 10, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Q will be hurt before viciedo comes back
I’m jumping on the Lastings bandwagon now.
Kenwo4life=ratings
So you want him injured, too?
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
GIVE ME YOUR CLOTHES AND YOUR MOTORCYCLE
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on Mar 10, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Roshambo ain't for amateurs
This used to be my playground
by The Cheat on Mar 10, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Pretty goddamn funny, this.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
Very good.
I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011
by South Side Expat on Mar 10, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Redbirds!
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Mar 10, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
so am i gunna hear the sweet sounds of hawk and steve tonight?
or is comcast playing the basketball tournament? what gives???
Kenwo4life=ratings
An injured man's Ray Durham...
So the other day I was talking to my friend who happens to be a big Brewers fan.
He was really excited that Rickie Weeks had just signed his extension and I said I have no idea why you’re so excited that you just locked up an Injured Man’s Ray Durham.
He claimed I was wrong at first (probably because the version of Ray Durham that Brewers fans know is a really washed up version of Ray Durham), but eventually said it’s a decent point.
Does anybody else see the comp?
Rickie Weeks was pretty studly last year.
if he’s healthy he’s pretty outstanding.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Not really.
Weeks has more power, draws more walks, strikes out more, hits for a lower average, gets injured more, and now it seems he’s running less.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Mar 10, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
as much as i see the "chris getz is a poor man's gordon beckham" comp
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
My favorite skin-deep comparison
Was when Fukudome was described as a cross between Hideki Matsui and Ichiro.
THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Mar 10, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
that was a good one
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
ROR.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
by winningugly on Mar 10, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
an injured man's ray durham?
considering ray durham is an injured man’s ray durham, thats pretty harsh
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
They could end up being somewhat close in terms of overall value to their franchise and level of injury concerns throughout their careers
But their similarities as players don’t really jump out at me.
If those songs don't suck your testicles up into your body cavity
nothing does. Perfect for KenRah.
"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."
you are my wife's new favorite poster on this blog by the way.
she wants to bang Quentin and got severely hot at me when i told her Big Vis is better.
Kenwo4life=ratings
That's gotta make for some heated bedroom talk.
I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011
by South Side Expat on Mar 10, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Is the game on TV???
I already missed the beckham bomb
by nsam93 on Mar 10, 2011 7:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
just watch chris getz hit one
same thing
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Mar 10, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
lol
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
CYCLE ALERT
Gordon 3-3 with a HR, 2B, 1B thru 4 innings. The kid is in the zone right now. And we can’t watch because of the pac10 tournament…
by nsam93 on Mar 10, 2011 8:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
yah what the fuck is with the pac10 thing?
how fucking stupid. who gives 2 shits about that in chicago. i personally couldn’t care less about the big 10 (or 11 or 18 or whatever it is now) let alone the pac10. give me spring training baseball god dammit!
Kenwo4life=ratings
That really is an unfortunate photo.
lol.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
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