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Report: White Sox to start managing Peavy

Apparently, Ozzie Guillen will not allow Jake Peavy for overrule him for a fourth time.

That's a start, I guess. Personally, I would've stopped after one, but maybe since I'm thousands of miles away from Peavy, I find it easier to say "no" to him.

Guillen discovered this courage after the Sox discovered tendinitis in Peavy's shoulder, halting his comeback temporarily. Much like the detached lat, it's a problem that had been building while Peavy downplayed it publicly.

Here's a quote that stopped me:

"I know they said the first 48 [hours] will be a telling tale," Peavy said. "It's a day-by-day kind of deal. We've been going full-steam ahead since we started this thing and we were told [to] expect this. I wouldn't buy into it and I never expected it. I'm not going to sit here and call it a setback because we don't know what it is yet. But certainly things have slowed down."

Can we have a moratorium on all "warrior" and "bulldog" references until he can make it through four consecutive months completely healthy? He seems to be not so much tough as he is unaware, and bold decisions can be made from a startling lack of perspective more easily than from inner fire.

Star-divide

The Sox have an excellent reputation regarding pitcher health, so when Kenny Williams said to prepare for a "blip" in his recovery, it was duly noted in my book (figurative, not literal). The Sox worked Jon Garland through several dead-arm periods, and John Danks through a circulation problem in his throwing hand. The training staff hasn't padded its DL numbers by skipping starts over small stuff -- Herm Schneider and his crew can work on the cars while they're running. They don't take them off the road for flimsy reasons.

Knowing this, if Schneider didn't think it was a good idea for Peavy to pitch while battling the flu (his comeback is already hard enough), why isn't he listening to him? Why isn't Guillen making Peavy listen to him?

Peavy wouldn't have had to throw his shoulder under the bus - the stomach virus would have been excuse enough. If there's ever a good time for a pitcher to miss a start, it's when the situation shares all of these circumstances:

  1. When a pitcher is battling more soreness than usual...
  2. ...while attempting to come back from a scary surgery...
  3. ...after a stomach bug has him firing out of both ends the days before  ...
  4. ...and the game doesn't count.

Any moron with a Twitter account could see a storm a-brewin'. Nevertheless, Peavy dragged his flu-ravaged bones out to the mound in order to throw 80 pitches, even if his fastball was closer to 85 than 92. Thanks to the tendinitis, his hard work went for naught and he'll have to repeat the task. At least he made a point, although I took away one that was different than he intended.

The concern I have going forward is that Peavy might misread the reaction. He blew his way past four "SKIP THIS START" signs, so if there are only three the next time (which is likely, since the games will count), is he going to be any better at self-reporting it? Color me skeptical. Peavy has shown fuzzy judgment in the area of self-restraint ever since he cursed his way through 112 ineffective pitches against Cincinnati minor leaguers last spring. Guillen and the Sox have only enabled his stubbornness with their completely passive approach.

Hey, at least the Sox have finally figured out that Peavy is hellbent on hurting himself, even if it's roughly $20 million into the remainder of his contract. Here's hoping Guillen rubs two noses -- his and Peavy's -- into this one. The Sox have shown far more trust in Peavy than he apparently has in the training staff, and that ratio needs to even out one way or another.

Star-divide

Following up

*Jerry Crasnick tweeted (thanks Larry) that Brent Morel won the starting job, but Morel hasn't been informed. Still, Guillen has told Teahen to work on his outfield skills, so we can call it with 65 percent of precincts reporting.

*The underbelly to naming Matt Thornton the closer? The notion that Chris Sale was saddled with a consolation prize when he's going to start the season on the 25-man roster less than one year after he was drafted.

*Want to read more about how everybody involved ignored numerous warning signs about Peavy's health? It's a running theme in White Sox Outsider 2011! If you've already bought one for yourself, consider buying one for the Sox.

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to the morelly right person.

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by pierzynskirules on Mar 21, 2011 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOO

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by SonOfCron on Mar 21, 2011 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

excuse me newbie

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by pierzynskirules on Mar 21, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

d*mmit

This was my worry from the get go…him being the “bulldog” and pushing himself towards another injury. Lately with him it just seems like one injury not fully recovered from rolls into another injury due to his stubborness. I might have to take the Sox off the hook in 2009. I thought the team pushed him to get back at the end of the year, but after the recent events it looks like it was probably more his doing.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 1:49 AM CDT reply actions  

nice job...

there was no way he should have been starting on Saturday. I got into a debate with that major jabronie chris rongey over it on saturday on facebook. looks like i was right you harry potter looking son bitch.

that being said- here is to hoping the sox finally get their act together with their highest paid player. for christ sakes you’d think they’d want to protect that investment a little bit.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 21, 2011 2:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for spoiling it that Rongey looks like Harry Potter.

I’ll never look at Sox post game radio in quite the same way.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find it hard to imagine Chris Rongey defending White Sox brass.

Seems wildly improbable.

"We know where your thumb is." - winningugly

by RWShow on Mar 21, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to see a good thing with the Peavy situation

…well… It happened in spring training. I think now it has sunk in Guillen & coaches that Peavy has to be treated like a fragile crystal jar that has loads of fine ornaments that with the slight touch can break apart. This kinda things prepare us (I hope) better to manage what unfortunately is a very injure prone pitcher. I almost can’t believe Peavy is 29 years old. Sometimes he looks so worn out barely pitching 1,500 innings in his career. Felix Hernandez has pitched 1,100 innings, and he is only 24 yrs old…

Guess what....I am elliptical!!!

by JofpGallagher on Mar 21, 2011 5:09 AM CDT reply actions  

hernandez only averages 13 more innings a year than peavy

and this is with peavy’s injuries cutting down those averages. the difference is hernandez started pitching in the majors at age 19, while peavy started at age 21.

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by U-God on Mar 21, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Oh well, that is true…let’s see if that trend changes by the time Hernandez is 29 yrs old.

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by JofpGallagher on Mar 21, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious why you think the Sox have now learned their lesson.

As Jim points out, this is not the first time Peavy has ignored their advice and injured himself. To paraphrase one of my people’s favorite question, how is this injury different from all other Peavy injuries?

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by Joist on Mar 21, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was Purim?

You magnificent Jewish bastard.

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by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what little I remember?

Delightful.

"The Sox have a better home record than the Twins, but...we're not at home right now." -DJ

by Joist on Mar 21, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, I'm sure at one point they suggested to Jake that he perhaps not pitch.

But I think we’re in agreement that the White Sox, who should understand the psychology of these players, screwed up here. Once Peavy claims to be fine, they should probably have put their foot down.

"The Sox have a better home record than the Twins, but...we're not at home right now." -DJ

by Joist on Mar 21, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I do hope this time the message got clear....

at least I do hope so, if not, we are f@#$ed up with this management of kindergartens.

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by JofpGallagher on Mar 21, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy's "bulldog" attitude.

He’s overcompensating, big time.

It’s a double edged sword. If you actually listen to your body and tell the truth about your ability to pitch, you’re a less than manly-man like Mark Prior.

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by 67WMAQ on Mar 21, 2011 6:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Girly man!

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by RWShow on Mar 21, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Overcompensating? you are saying Peavy has a Cheeto "down there"?

Ill take your word for it, i guess.

"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 21, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt it sucks...

But Did we really want Peavy throwing 180-200 innings this year anyway?

Lets hope that this was just ’yer regular scheduled blip.

And now Phillip Humber will be able to prove early on that he’s entirely capable of handling the old DJ Carrasco role, creating more flexibility from the bottom up.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 6:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I can just imagine it now, these last few weeks of Spring Training

Peavy’s gotta be doing something to keep himself busy, so Ozzie lets him take over the job of retrieving the ball when it’s time to make a pitching change.
But even that ain’t enough to wholly whet Peavy’s competitive edge so he asks Cooper if he can go out there for mound visits and swear angrily and demand better results when the guys ain’t throwin’ good. Coop says probably not (and wishes to himself that Peavy had offered this service the year he had Bartolo Colon in camp), and Jake sighs a wistful country sigh…

Weird thing is that even deep down Peavy knows it’s probably for the best with this new arrangement. Jake realizes that if he ever were to start another Spring Training game he’d risk overtaxing his arm since he’d be unable to do his duty of initiating pitching changes- essentially trapping himself on the mound.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

So now here we are in May ready to celebrate a happy ending.

Peavy’s all cleared to get back at it, but Humber’s been so lights out in his last three outings that Ozzie says he’s gotta stick with him for perhaps another couple 5 inning starts.

Jake of course is all “what about me.” So the coaching staff goes up to him and says Jake I’ve got a very special job for you. You’re gunna go get the get the baseball from Humber, and then you’re gunna stay. Stay there, and throw for about three innings. And then the next game he pitches you’re going to do the same thing but you can stay out there some more. And then maybe more. Do you like that buddy (Jake barks)
 

Healthy bulldog comes out to the mound. He smiles, winks, and then pinches Humber on the tookus.
Humber’s head swells. He just had the most legendary bulldog in today’s game pinch him in the ass and wink at his baseball.

So Humber lumbers on towards his new bullpen mates. When he arrives they stack themselves one on top of the other, arranging just the type of real life bullpen totem pole that could only be created by a team carrying that certain je ne sais quoi. Or perhaps by a team that feels freed of the heavy burden that came with carrying a fat lazy ballplayer as its’ closer for the past 5 years.

 

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I still got some love for Bobby

but we all know fat people don’t belong anywhere near the tops of human pyramids or totem poles. Anything gymnastics related really.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

"larry."

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 6:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I am, if nothing, grindy.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

but.... insurance money?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Mar 21, 2011 6:45 AM CDT reply actions  

The term "insurance" applies here.

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by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

could be

We’ll find out in the next few days how serious the injury is. AFLAC

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 7:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The team finally learns the lesson

Peavy is who he is. All I want is for him to speak up with symptoms. He did. I expect the parent to overrule the child, especially if said child doesn’t have proper perspective. Not one person predicted a full season this year. Not much has changed. I’ll wait for the 48 hours before making a guess of when he starts.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 7:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm with you on the last part.

I’m just not that worked up over this news. Unless they’re downplaying, it’s only tendinitis. I’m more concerned about him making all the decisions lately in regards to his schedule. Like you, I’ll wait a few days and see where he’s at before I get up in arms over this.

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Phillip Humber

It’s now time to focus our eyes on Humber. He’s had a good spring and now he’ll be taken more seriously. According to this book , he actually pitched well in a short amount of time for KC last year, with the exception of getting hurt by us. I read somewhere that he’s also now throwing a cutter. Let’s just hope that this is another solid player KW finds off the 1st round draft pick scrap heap (along with Milledge).

I’m starting to not like Peavy.

by striker on Mar 21, 2011 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I caught a few of Humber's outings for KC

His pitches had a life to him that we just didn’t see in Minnessota.

His year end numbers were a tad saturated, but he was impressive overall.

But of course that all came out of the bullpen.

I was pissed when Oakland first nabbed him this offseason but then elated when we he floated on our way a few weeks later.

I really like him. in the bullpen.

But a couple April starts should be fine. But if Peavy’s dead, we gotta go to Sale.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Royals are a lot better at disgarding half decent pitching talent than they are at holding onto it

but for your information, I’m Mitch Maier.

I was trying to hit this guy a couple years back and eventually I just had to like give up. I was like dude I cannot hit this guy.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember that time back in 1997 when Darren Daulton had an out of body experience at Wrigley Field?

This was like the exact opposite of that.

Back on August 25th of last year my reality was violently jarred and I was left wondering: what the hell am I doing in Detroit and why am I in Brayan Pena’s body?

Well unlike Dutch I didn’t notice any numerical synchronizations within our world that might help me blow right through the fuzzy epistemological layering that veils the universe’s ultimate truth.

Though later on, while undressing after the game I learned that having to wear a cup all the time sure does make your penis look smushy.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just throwing this out there

But should we trade Q! for pitching now before he gets hurt? We can hope DV comes back healthy by mid April and use Lastings until then.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 8:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

For the love of God? This is Kenny Williams. What makes you so sure?

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

They both went to Stanford.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 21, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please explain to me why he would trade Q right now?

Dayan on the disabled list?
Lastings?
Teahen?
Out of nowhere unexpected start to the season without Peavy?
He visits SSS on regular basis and knows have of SSS wants to trade him?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

half

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

and when has Kenny been predictable?

I’m not saying it makes 100% sense. But, what if Peavy has more than a strain? What if the sox staff is concerned about Sale starting this year? It’s not that far out there…

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 11:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

what you should have said was 'whosh'.

unless you haven’t been reading this website at all for the last 2-3 months.

by craigws on Mar 21, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, they tried to trade Q this offseason

and have been putting him out there for a little while before that to see what they could get. So it’s not a crazy idea.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

they did?

I think if the Sox wanted to trade Q this off season that probably would have happened. They don’t seem to keen on selling low on him.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

They tried meaning they looked around and asked.

Obviously, what was offered in return wasn’t enough for Kenny to pull the triger.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was before they decided they were 'all-in'.

they talked to a bunch of clubs, released they weren’t going to get much and said ‘fuck this noise’.

by craigws on Mar 21, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, Tdogg, we're talking about Kenny Williams here.

Kenny has done some strange things in the past. Some advised, some ill-advised. Just because you’re tired of hearing people float the idea out there doesn’t mean it ain’t ever going to happen.

No, it wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to trade him now (still doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it) but it could make more sense at the deadline when Viciedo is (presumably) healthy and if (a big if) Milledge or whomever else is producing well. The division standings will have a lot to do with what he does. Quentin is eligible for one more year of arbitration, and he isn’t going to be any cheaper than the $5M he’s receiving now. It makes some fiscal sense.

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say ever.

The White Sox have clearly made a decision on Q’s whereabouts to start the season.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't say ever/never

You just said,

For the love of God the White Sox are not trading Q.

Kinda open to interpretation there.

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

not really

Just throwing this out there
But should we trade Q! for pitching now before he gets hurt? We can hope DV comes back healthy by mid April and use Lastings until then.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh-huh. You may have won this round, Tdogg, but I will be waiting.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

next time!!!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be great

but the quality of pitcheng we may get in return for Quentin is certainly thrilling. Quentin is a below average overall outfielder in my opinion, and GMs has to know that. To get a mediocre pitcher, I rather keep Quentin, and go with Humber.

Guess what....I am elliptical!!!

by JofpGallagher on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm upset, but I actually can't be mad at Peavy.

This is unprecedented.
No pitcher in baseball has ever had this sort of injury.

It’s only because we love the White Sox, and because these players are making millions of dollars that we criticize his recovery methods.

The majority of patients (read: non-famous) who approach their rehabilitation with the same type of mentality and commitment that Jake Peavy did usually end up on the covers of those chintzy Quarterly Hospital Magazines that you find in really dull waiting rooms.
Or they’ll get like a 3-5 minute segment towards the end of the local news to tell the story of their “miraculous” recovery.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying is...

It’s fine for us to bitch at an athlete if he gets hurt and we find out that he wasn’t listening to his Doctor’s, trainers or physical therapists

But in this case, it seems more like it’s Dr’s hypothesis than Dr’s orders.
The rehab schedule here isn’t exactly set in stone the way it is with more common injuries. (like the way they have Tommy John Surgery down to like what days you should start throwing. and then when you should move back to this distance for long toss, etc.)

So as a result of the obscureness of his injury Jake Peavy has been granted an unfortunate amount of wiggle room considering his personality type.

I can’t criticize his personality in this insistence because it’s probably this exact personality type that probably that made him into this ballplayer that we all want to see stay healthy.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah- adderall

Had I been that buzzed from drinking coffee I would’ve had to take a break here and there so I could go take a piss.

by PeejSox on Mar 22, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

No pitcher has ever had rotator cuff problems?

Look, Peavy has for his entire White Sox tenure either been hurt or kept quiet about how much he’s hurt. All it has done is hurt the Major League product. I want him to stop with this macho-bullshit and get healthy.

It’s fair to criticize anyone’s recovery methods when they clearly do the wrong thing. Given all the circumnstances, there was no reason for him to be allowed to go full throttle.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im confused with what you are upset with Peavy about

that he won’t pitch April 5th? I really don’t like this macho shit terminology. Peavy is not that much different than most elite athletes that actually cares and wants to contribute. The ultimate fault here is the White Sox not taking the lead. He seems to have everything required to get himself back from a nasty uncommon injury. Should he shut up? Probably, but imo folks are going a bit overboard on a rehab that has gone surprising well. Understand Peavy and act accordingly.

When my 7 year old (who can fall down a flight a stairs and bounce up without issues) tells me she’s hurt I react and treat her different than my 8 year old who wants a band aid for a paper cut.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You won't give your 8 year old a band aid for a paper cut?

Cheap bastard. I’m calling DCFS!

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by RWShow on Mar 21, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew this was coming

:-)

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by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tell her

“Man up chick. Its a recession. You think band aids grow on trees??? I look like the band aid fairy to you?

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by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim articulates my issues with Peavy better than I could with this article.

My comment before was more directed at Peej. I am mad at Peavy for his attitude. While it’s fine to want to be gung-ho and all healed and push, I wish he’d remember his own history better. He’s fight to get through injury has resulted in further injury. I want Peavy healthy and agree that his rehab has gone over all well, but I don’t trust Peavy because I can’t and get frustrated when he turns up hurt, again. He’s like Q, like Boozer. You know, at some point, he’s going to get hurt again because he always does.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

*his fight.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you that it would be preferable for Peavy to change his attitude

I just can’t get upset about it because I don’t think an attitude adjustment is ever going to happen.

And I just wanted to emphasize that this is a very rare case. There’s no good or bad examples of how a player has handled this type of injury in the past.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Treat individuals individually.

Seriously, management is knowing who to kick in the ass and who to pat on the back, and when. The majority of the people on this site knew that Peavy shouldn’t have pitched with the flu. But sometimes it is easier to manage from afar than confront someone face-to-face.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saturday isn't the only thing that caused this

He’s felt this since early march and kept his yap shut.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No he hasn't

The white sox have been informed every time.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

prove it

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Mar 21, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

even if that pitcher comes from a pool containing Jeff Marquez?

I’m personally kind of confused by all of the De Aza love though…

So I guess Infante is the guy to pull for?

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't worry about losing guys like him

De Aza is a fine 5th OFer. And that’s probably his ceiling.
I really really like his speed and that’s it.

I absolutely love having guys like him on the bench in September. But I think that if we somehow manage to lose De Aza before then, it won’t be difficult to bring in a nearly identical ballplayer, (Tony Gwynn Jr is the first example that came to my mind of a similar player who as released late last season) at virtually no cost.

So I’m not so much arguing against De Aza, as much as I’m arguing against the idea that we must protect ourselves from potentially losing De Aza by sending down a guy in Lastings Milledge who we seem to all unanimously agree is a better player with a higher upside.

Plus we all know Jordan Danks is the Sox 5th OFer of the future.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

well that settles that

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by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

its lillibridge!

And then the next game he pitches you’re going to do the same thing but you can stay out there some more. And then maybe more. Do you like that buddy (Jake barks) -peejsox

by e-gus on Mar 21, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

read my mind

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

wait. I guess.

Ozzie does seem to like killibridge more than most

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I haven’t sensed any particular fondness one way or another. He’s given Nix the same lectures.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Maybe that is me reading more into the radio talk yesterday. Sometimes I get the vibe that DJ and Farmer’s opinion comes a bit from their interaction with Guillen. They felt like Lastings was in but did make me uncomfortable with “what lillibridge brings” talk.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You could be right.

But maybe they all like Lillibridge as a person. Which seems very much possible.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 21, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lillibridge

wasn’t on the team last year when they tried to pass Nix through Waivers, was he?

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was.

He took Teahen’s place at the start of June.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 21, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's baffling

I really hope he did that on purpose.

Promised him more AB’s than he could give him or that he’d let him go if Nix asked him to.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Racist.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get why you point this out because it's really just apple's and oranges

I regret losing Nix instead of Lillibridge.

I liked Nix’s versatility, OBP, and pop. I was hoping that we’d start seeing some validation of the scouting reports that raved about his exceptional defense as a 2nd Basemen in the minors. Since he was learning a bunch of new positions on the fly, I was hoping that his defense would improve markedly if given some time to get comfortable.

I am not worried about losing De Aza. But that’s all kind of irrelevant because when that discussion started I was under the impression that De Aza was out of options. I didn’t like the idea of taking De Aza over a superior ballplayer in Milledge simply because of the fear that De Aza might be lost on waivers.

by PeejSox on Mar 21, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nix was awful.

Absolutely awful. Do a search from last spring/summer and you’ll get every single argument made about Nix’ efficacy. No need to rehash this.

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by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably

Nix didn’t hit lefties nor offer reliable defense at any position. Sounds like a purpose.

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by Jim Margalus on Mar 21, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any moron ---could have seen a storm brewing!!

Amen – for all their tough talk Ozzie & Coop are morons sometimes. I don’t see this story ending happily. What makes anyone believe they will start treating Peavy like a package of ornaments??

by soxfan50 on Mar 21, 2011 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Tyler Flowers, C, White Sox
Flowers is hitting .500 this spring (9-for-18), and one has to wonder if the White Sox aren’t just a little bit annoyed about it. The plan had been for Flowers to take over big league catching from A.J. Pierzynski once the latter’s contract expired with the 2010 season, but with a .220/.334/.434 showing at Triple-A last year and scouts mumbling about regression on both offense and defense, the White Sox opted to bring back the veteran. Flowers will head back to Triple-A for the third straight year, but he could have some value in the trade market come July.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=13294

by larry on Mar 21, 2011 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Annoy this!

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

moratorium on all "warrior" and "bulldog"

Amen. Enough of his talk. Just pitch.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 21, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Or rehab.

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by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'M GONNA REHAB YOU UNDER THE TABLE! I'M A BULLDOG!

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by 67WMAQ on Mar 21, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

hawt

And then the next game he pitches you’re going to do the same thing but you can stay out there some more. And then maybe more. Do you like that buddy (Jake barks) -peejsox

by e-gus on Mar 21, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great visual.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I took it into a meeting this morning, and I came out with a doodle on my meeting agenda.

…lying with his sad face and coned-head sticking out of Ozzie’s Doghouse door.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Mar 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link?

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not presentable.

Not yet anyway. By Friday morning. Maybe.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Mar 21, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

In this scenario, is Kenny Ed Asner's character in Up?

And Ozzie is Russell?

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Mar 21, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged

for Disney reference.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a NL fan I have watched Peavy his whole career.

I watched his last start and IMO his mechanics are still not the same as they used to be. He does not seem to use his lower body like he used to. Like I said, IMO.

by Rick B on Mar 21, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Does that mean

you felt like the mechanics with the lower body were better or worse? I assume you mean worse. Frankly this always confuses the crap out of me. I’ve seen extreme leg pushers (Ryan) succeed as well as what appears to be only arm users (RJohnson). I know I just took 2 HOFers, but what is the general consensus?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Leg propulsion is easier on the arm/shoulder, I believe.

Think Tom Seaver, also.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I meant to say

assume you meant better. Of course there is Prior, but there is a hint other factors were there.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying either is better or worse.

I’m saying his mechanics the other day looked different than all the years I watched him in the NL.

by Rick B on Mar 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is the Sox’s lineup against Mat Latos — weather permitting:
Pierre lf

Beckham 2b

Rios cf

Konerko 1b

Quentin rf

Pierzynski c

Ramirez ss

Teahen 3b

Buehrle p

by larry on Mar 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

This train wreck have anything left?

Perez

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

prolly not

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Mar 21, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

his changeup actually got faster

as his fastball got slower

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Mar 21, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Madoff strikes again.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we give Dunn #44 since Peavy fucked everything up?

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by rangerjae on Mar 21, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Good for him!

But yes, bad news when Phil is right once in a while.

I wasnt a 100% behind the trade because I thought Richard was working out, but it was Jake Peavy and if Jake Peavy got healthy, good times!!!!

"Twenty-one, I felt like is one of the best corners in this league, especially that nobody knows about."-Brett Favre (On Vontae Davis 9/19/10)

"It's the Chicago Blackhawks man."-Jeremy Roenick 6/9/10

YOUR 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS...THE CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!

by rangerjae on Mar 21, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good for Clayton Richard I meant

not Phil

"Twenty-one, I felt like is one of the best corners in this league, especially that nobody knows about."-Brett Favre (On Vontae Davis 9/19/10)

"It's the Chicago Blackhawks man."-Jeremy Roenick 6/9/10

YOUR 2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS...THE CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!

by rangerjae on Mar 21, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I was a Richard fan

but I did want the trade.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wanted it early in the year

but did not want when it actually went down.

And then the next game he pitches you’re going to do the same thing but you can stay out there some more. And then maybe more. Do you like that buddy (Jake barks) -peejsox

by e-gus on Mar 21, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That money would have been nice to spend elsewhere

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I still have hope

If Peavy is pitching game 1 or 2 of a playoff series all is forgiven. But yeah, the money would like nice elsewhere now. Things change.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

look*

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Mar 21, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to Padilla

Teahen hasn’t even been told that he is getting work in the outfield. Might we see a picture of a smiling Teahen holding up a “Morel Defeats Teabag” headline

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 21, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep

Morel -45
Teabag -26

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

stopgap freddy?

garcia has fallen behind in the 5th starter battle and now says:

“If I don’t make the team, what am I supposed to do in Triple-A?” Garcia said. “I’m 34 years old. I’ve been in the big leagues a long time. There’s nothing to go to Triple-A and prove. It’s either I make the team or not.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/garcia_falling_out_of_th_place_0UCHE2drJW5OLGu7KIp5sO

by larry on Mar 21, 2011 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

FFG

"We know where your thumb is." - winningugly

by RWShow on Mar 21, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox part 3

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pride goeth...

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

now THIS is a winning plan.

come on yankees. let him loose.

:-D

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 22, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

so who would #21 on defense represent?

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by Ahillock on Mar 21, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy's alter ego known as The Injury Plagued Jake

Knocking reality back into his ass.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 21, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i want to know what the flag was for

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Mar 21, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spiking yourself in the nuts

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 21, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can't get fooled again!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 21, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

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