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What Happened To Tony Pena?

Jake Peavy is bad at not hurting himself.  Phil Humber is replacement level.*  So maybe Tony Pena can offer some upside if Chris Sale is absodefinitely not going to fill in, right?

Only, Pena was pretty awful last season.  His 5.10 ERA came with an ugly 1.24 K/BB ratio that's well under his career average.  Prior to the 2010 season, his career ERA was a very average 4.02, with three solid seasons dealing in a hitter's park.  Obviously, you wouldn't expect an average reliever to be much of anything as a starter, but "not much of anything" might still clear Phil Humber's upside.

Also obviously, that doesn't resolve Pena's very ugly 2010.  The open question is whether or not that sustained bout of suck represents a new, worse level of performance going forward.  If so, the Sox probably should have just pocketed the $1.6M they doled out for his second arbitration-eligible season and non-tendered him instead.  I guess that means they have some faith in him bouncing back.  Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not?

Star-divide

So what changed?  Pitch f/x suggests not much. 

 

2009:

vs. 2010:

He lost a tick on his fastball, but 94 is still plenty healthy.  The movement on the pitch is nothing special, but there's nothing there that says "implosion".  Same with the slider.  It's a bit slower, but he added more downward bite to the pitch.  To put that in some context:

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click to embiggen/defuzzify

This here heat map shows pitch effectiveness by movement.  The warmer on the spectrum, the more effective the pitch.  This particular heat map is for sliders to same-handed batters and clicking through to the big map shows that Pena's slider is pretty solidly in an effective range.  And keep in mind this doesn't control for fastball speed.  Presumably, the harder you throw, the better your slider is going to be.

And in seasons prior to 2010, Pena's slider has been ridiculous.  In 2009, for example, batters swung and missed at the pitch at a 25% clip, way above the 13% average for all sliders, but right around Pena's career average for the pitch.  In 2010, that dropped to 11% despite no huge difference in movement or speed.

I think that makes the culprit very likely faltering command.  Pena threw fewer strikes per pitch with both his fastball and slider in 2010, putting him in bad counts with far more frequency.  The other suggestive anomaly: all those change-ups thrown.  It wasn't a result of facing more lefties.  He simply chose to throw far more.  Along with the walk rate bump, I think it's reasonable to suggest Pena either lost some of his feel for the slider or was perhaps being inconsistent in his mechanics. 

Bolstering that conclusion further, Pena got nearly his usual number of whiffs in strikeout counts with the slider.  So when he only needed to be in the neighborhood with the pitch, his results were solid.  When he had to demonstrate real command, he faltered.  Which led to compensation: throwing more changes and fastballs.

Unless there's some suggestion that he was injured, I don't see why he couldn't correct the problem with Coop's help.  At the same time, his season was long enough to suggest a sustained difficulty that might not remedy itself until some possibly lengthy duration.  If you accept that pitchers are helped by having defined roles, then Pena working as a starter is some cause for concern.  If you think repetitions are what are needed to fix these kinds of problems, maybe it's for the better.  Either way, he needs some work to get back to his previous levels of effectiveness.  He certainly hasn't demonstrated that he's prepared to make the leap from blah reliever to effective starter.  Rather, he's showing symptoms that get pitchers shunted to the pen in the first place.

 


 

*He's 28 with 2 career MLB starts.  Pena has one more and got them all last year.

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The 5th starter monster has been resurrected.

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

no way. Kenny's all in.

He’ll go get somebody quick, when it becomes clear that peavy can’t go and humber and pena and harrell and marquez are what they are.

by son_of_sophist on Mar 22, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

This article certainly coincides with the weather here in Chicago.

Nice evaluation. Hope Humber only gets 2 or 3 starts this year.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this Brian Kelly?

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by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 22, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

U GUISE WAIT U GUISE

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/4441109-452/106-years-of-cub-fever-for-teams-oldest-fan.html

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The slider seems inconsistent to me

He either seems to throw more than his fair share of rollers, or he gets killed on them a disproportionate amount.

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by Jim Margalus on Mar 22, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

i think that could definitely be the case.

his fastball does a lot of work for his slider, imo.

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by colintj on Mar 22, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dr. Anthony Romeo, the Chicago surgeon who performed the surgery, will travel to Phoenix Wednesday to examine Peavy, USA Today reported.

Romeo said that people should scale back expectations.

“If they’re expecting him … to be 100 percent like he was before mid-July last year, I think that’ll be very challenging for him,” Romeo said, according to the newspaper. “If they’re expecting him to be able to give possibly 60 pitches, maybe a little bit more, then I think that would be a reasonable estimate. It remains to be seen whether he’s going to be able to get his pitch count up into the 80s and be able to tolerate that and stay in his normal rotation. … When he went up to 80 pitches, his shoulder said, ‘We need to go a little bit slower to get up to this level.’”

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6247396

by larry on Mar 22, 2011 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

So basically we're back to the expectations set earlier in the year.

No big deal. Mid-July it is. A full year. That would seem to make sense.

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by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he is.

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Mar 22, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy is trying to surpass Justin Bieber re: Google search hits.

FJP until he’s ready to throw a meaningful pitch.

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by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

you google justin bieber?

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would be interested in learning more about this scale.

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by colintj on Mar 22, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, yes.

Eating always starts at a 6. Gettin’ busy is an 8. Star Trek a 9.5. Etc.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 23, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our earlier expectations had a chance of Sale being the fifth starter though.

While I think Cooper can sometimes work wonders, Humber as the fifth starter is real scary.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

not really

look at the other fifth starters in the league

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by U-God on Mar 22, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a tough call

i like that mazzaro is 4 years younger, but humber (in his small sample size) seems to get more groundballs.

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by U-God on Mar 22, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Humber is 28 and has 51 innings pitched--Mazzaro has 213 at age 24

Those GB% are probably not useful. It just seems to me Humber hasn’t been able to stick anywhere and is a real shitty option. I don’t have any answers though so I will try to be hopeful. I know it comes down to circumstances but it seems that Mazzaro is a better option and he is on the worst team in our division.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Mazzaro have Don Cooper?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon Tdogg

He’s not Jesus.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

More fun to think of him that way.

I know. Just saying if the 2 are similar, give me the one with the better pitching coach.

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if you could have the better pitcher with the better pitching coach? :)

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 22, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

true, its a team of 5th starters

he told me to look at other fifth starters and compare them to Humber though. I realize this is a silly conversation because he probably is our best option but I feel real uncomfortable with Humber there. Like I said, I will keep hope alive.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can make a decent argument that Marquez should get a shot

wait…..

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never thought I would hear anyone say that

and I never thought I would agree.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

well sure

but I cannot fucking believe he is our 6th starter, after being put on waivers by both the A’s and the Royals in the past 6th months.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

why?

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the pitching starved royals don't like him

neither should you

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

does Don Cooper prefer Humber over Mazzaro?

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

he prefers Jake Peavy

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

as do I

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by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time getting all that worried about our 5th

starter. I’m much more concerned with Floyd, BueHrle and Jackson starting out strong and Q not being a total disaster. If the 5th spot in our rotation ends up being our biggest problem, I can live with that. For now, I’m fine starting the season with Humber as the 5th starter.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 22, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

There are far worse problems to have.

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by Joist on Mar 22, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

we like ours sweaty

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by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 22, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess what it all boils down to is an indictment on our farm system and our organization as a whole

We should have had a better option that pitched in our organization last season, rather than having to go out and snatch garbage off the street.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

what does it matter whether it's garbage off the street or garbage from your backyard.

i’m not sure why you think humber is so radically different than any other team’s starting options when injuries happen.

by larry on Mar 22, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

this garbage falls perfectly in line with Kenny's MO

1st round in the draft reclamation project.

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by e-gus on Mar 22, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that doesnt mean it will work

it just falls in step with kenny’s way of thinking

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by e-gus on Mar 22, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems highly desperate and hasty.

What bothers me is we picked him up 2 months ago and now he is our 5th starter. What was the plan before that?!? There was talk of Sale but who knows if they were seriously considering that route. We have Peavy coming off a brutal injury and our current plan is Humber…I DO think Humber is radically different from other team’s starting optiosn when injuries happen because it appears other teams have no interest in him as that option. Especially the Royals.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cmon Rhubard

You act as if they haven’t monitored Peavy. If he was out the year Sale would be starting.

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not now.

I was speaking if they anticipated Peavy being absent for a significant time at the beginning of the season over the winter. At this point Sale would have to be sent to the minors and that’s not going to happen.

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by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a short term solution.

If they need a long term solution other options would be considered.

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

By now you must know I am strange.

Good point on the Royals talent evaluation. They should hire me, they wouldn’t be any worse off. Thanks for talking through it with me guys, I hope Humber does well. You guys are probably right.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know who i hear has a good farm system?

kansas city. you could become a fan of them.

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One day, KW's going to put one over on Beane

and then they write the book. I think Daman Wayans plays Kenny. Mencia plays Ozzie. Oscar-worthy.

by TasteeFreeze on Mar 23, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Crystal Method thank you.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 22, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Insert Lance Broadway, Lucas Harrell

or Rhubarb in Humber’s slot and I’m happy in a comparative sense.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a birdieball

You throw it with just your middle finger on the seams. Highly effective against players near retirement. It has movement to both the left and the right, depending on which batters box the batter is standing in.

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 10:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a birdieball

You throw it with just your middle finger on the seams. Highly effective against players near retirement. It has movement to both the left and the right, depending on which batters box the batter is standing in.

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 10:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mobile fial

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by Rhubarb on Mar 22, 2011 10:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

that isn't a great standard.

we have to beat the Twins, not league average.

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by colintj on Mar 22, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

i meant more that like

“it’s not like we have a huge margin of error”

we were supposed to make up our deficit hitting with pitching. getting more than expected out of Peavy was hopefully part of that. and I definitely don’t prefer Humber to Freddy.

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by colintj on Mar 22, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

True,

but it’s not like there are a bunch of #1’s and #2’s ahead of him. He’s the odd man out, but that rotation is mostly threes, is it not?

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by Joist on Mar 22, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Francisco is great

Pavano is good. After that? Yeah, a bunch of mid rotation types (Duensing, Blackburn, Baker). Its a good rotation up North.

by coffeepac on Mar 22, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed about Liriano.

Hence the “mostly”. I’m not sold on Pavano. Isn’t he projected to regress?

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by Joist on Mar 23, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

pavano is kind of a good pitcher.

the issue with him is not stuff, it’s health.

by larry on Mar 23, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dr. Romeo sounds like he can help you with your love life.

Or steal your wife/girlfriend.

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by 67WMAQ on Mar 22, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting to hear Dr. Oz's prognosis

So in a matter of 4 days my expectations of Peavy in 2011 goes from very optimistic to turds.

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by BobbySouthSide on Mar 22, 2011 5:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That would be Dr. Dogg.

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by Uribe Down on Mar 22, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty intimidating list of pitchers Seattle is throwing at the Sox today.

King Felix to start if off, and then he’ll be relieved by Larry Bernandez, who in turn will be followed by some guy named Jerry.

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by mechanical turk on Mar 22, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Digging Edward's K/BB this spring.

Pretty clear the difference between him being avg/good to great is his control numbers.

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

it took me about a minute to figure out.

you mean edwin, right?

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF I am drinking at work early huh?

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha! i searched the page

to see if i missed an earlier reference to a pitcher named edwards. and i haven’t started drinking yet.

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay that's worse.

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a sad display by both of you.

Congratulations, your both OPOSes.

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by RWShow on Mar 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're

I’m an asshole, and deserved that.

God dammit.

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by RWShow on Mar 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mobile rec, DB.

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by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 6:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

you're.

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha.

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jab by Milly

Watch you got killibridge?

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

prolly owns a really nice one

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by U-God on Mar 22, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Watch – what…. Watch the difference?

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgive me if I missed it elsewhere

What’s the lineup today?

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by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 22, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

this a whoosh?

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!

No this time I’m serious

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by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

lineup

milly lf, becks, dunn 1b, Alexei dh, teabag rf, castro, morel, omar ss, killibridge cf

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 22, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Edward you suck

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

how you like your k/bb ratio now tough guy?!

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

big mouth

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by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

But your original analysis is correct

Today you saw why he is so inconsistent.

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by BobbySouthSide on Mar 22, 2011 5:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

3.4 ERA.

Bwahahahahaha!

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by winningugly on Mar 22, 2011 6:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fewer

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby

by moroots on Mar 22, 2011 8:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I want to rec the entire lower half of this thread.

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 22, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

royce ring facing

kenneth williams.

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by BuehrleMan on Mar 22, 2011 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim.

When I was reading your post re: Tony Pena I was wondering…

What if fatigue plays a role? Pena was pressed into starting a few times last year and I’m wondering if that didn’t skew his overall numbers directly (during his starts) or indirectly (by causing fatigue in his other appearances)

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 22, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

That should say Colin, not Jim.

I’m so used to Jim posting lately, I just saw a new post and assumed it was his.

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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 22, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, that rant was epic suckage.

Kidding. I rec’d. Nice work.

Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 23, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is epic.

Think I am changing my sig to “Ferris Buerhle’s Day off…..”

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by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha ha nice.

that’s a good idea. As long as he doesn’t take the advice…

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's okay. We're readers.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Mar 23, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might be the academic in me, but if I just said “He sucks and has always sucked” without providing evidence then its meaningless… and the ball of wax grew into a monster

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its just… he sucks so much. I get riled up and outta hand. Few things frustrate me like Tony Pena. Not even catching every damned red on Roosevelt. My bad. Hey! It could be worse. At least I don’t own the Met’s.

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 12:04 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

you're talking to the president of the brandon allen fan club

I know how you feel. also, friendly reminder that we use the reply button around here

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by blackoutsox on Mar 23, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought i did use the reply button... apparently i didn't

My bad, I usually do. Don’t get me started on Brandon Allen. Talk about a wasted trade. I was furious. I was also a big Gio Gonzalez fan, but Swish was worth it.

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

you seem like a perfect candidate for a BMO team.

Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol yup

Hell, Ill give you Gio and Allen as a starter package as both are currently on my team!

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 23, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never done BMO, whats it like?

I was always a franchise mode addict in baseball games

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sit down boy, have a cigar.

Your going to go far.

"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 23, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

check the right margin. there is constantly a BMO thread going.

We currently have two franchises available- Atlanta and St. Louis to anyone who want to take them.

Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool. I don’t mind the cards. I hate Atlanta though. What are the particulars? $? How does it work?

by phan8787 on Mar 23, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its free and every day 10 games are simulated at 5am and at 5pm

Post your interest in the BMO thread on the Right Rail and the commish will get you set up and people would be happy to answer your questions over there. We are in 2012 and started in 2009.

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Mar 24, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first hit is always free.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Mar 24, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was pretty surprised when they non-tendered Carrasco.

It’s like they were anticipating him failing, or something. I know there’s the agenda of building an all-artillery bullpen, but DJ was as consistent as you can expect a long-reliever to be and more effective than most for a low cost.

Williams hasn’t had to deal with Plan B’s often but that doesn’t excuse him from having some. I get that most sixth starters aren’t so great but intuition would dictate most teams have something at least slightly more capable than replacement level in the wings.

by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 23, 2011 1:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah.

You figure every team has at least one replacement level pitcher on their 40-man. If their AAA squad isn’t terrible they should have at least 2 or 3 there that can fill in, if not their whole rotation. So yeah, only having Humber, Marquez, et al. says the White Sox have the same minimum amount of talent that most (if not every) MLB team has as well.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the White Sox recent starter history

its not a strong area of concern. I love zero sleep over this.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate zero sleep.

How do you do it?

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol. your typos are getting worse than WU's ever were.

You’re actually making words with your typos, thus causing even greater confusion

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

My typos have always been worst

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're too predictable, lar.

Anticipating such a response, I went through every team in my head and weighed the value of each team’s sixth starter. By my calculations, the average sixth starter is more likely to provide sustained value than Phil Humber. I don’t know if that’s better than replacement level, but if replacement level is Phil Humber, I feel pretty safe saying most teams have something better.

by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 24, 2011 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

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