De Aza damaged most by latest cuts
The White Sox made nine more cuts to reduce the major-league camp to 29 players. Among the victims: Former fourth outfielder front-runner Alejandro De Aza.
We'll get to him at the end, but since I like to do these things by groups, let's speed through the other eight.
Minor league journeymen
Brian Bruney, Dallas McPherson, Jeff Gray, Shane Lindsay, Josh Kinney.
Lindsay got a little more buzz than the rest, but only because he's Australian. That the Sox only ran him out in three games means they never really considered him.
Nowhere else to go
Flowers did everything that could be asked of him. He hit .476/.542/.857 (10-for-21). He struck out six times over 24 plate appearances, which is a small sample improvement. His throws to second were pretty good. Ozzie Guillen was more than pleased in every respect, which is big.
He's rewarded with a return to Charlotte. He still needs to prove that he can handle Charlotte, so the Sox have about three months before Flowers officially has some grounds to accuse the Sox of wasting his time. If I were him, I'd wait a full season to make sure I don't destroy the goodwill that's just started to accumulate.
Jordan Danks' strike zone numbers (one walk, eight strikeouts over 28 plate appearances) don't inspire confidence, but his .291 average allows the Sox to talk him up, as they seem inclined to do (and I think I know why!).
Cuts like a knife
Gregory Infante, Alejandro De Aza
Infante had an ugly outing against Oakland on March 19 that irreparably damaged his spring line. He gave up five runs on three hits and two walks over an inning of work, and there's no way to work around that in a small sample.
Even taking away the disaster, though, his numbers don't stick out -- 8 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 HR. His location still needed work, so it's probably best for everybody that he heads to Charlotte. Guillen gave him strong consideration for a bullpen spot, but he's just not ready yet.
Now, De Aza definitely had the inside track for the fourth outfield job, with just about everything in his favor. He came off a strong September, he had nothing left to prove in Triple-A, and handedness and defensive skills were on his side, too. Yet he didn't even make it to the final cuts, which indicates a fumbled opportunity.
It's not just that he had a flat spring (.244/.295/.390) while Lastings Milledge surged (.319/.421/.574), but I had the impression that De Aza wasn't connecting on other opportunities. For instance, while he might've gained Ozzie Points with the suicide squeeze on Monday night, he was still in the red, having botched two squeeze attempts earlier in the spring.
Other odd things piled up, too -- like a laughable throw, or hanging Ramon Castro out to dry by missing a hit-and-run sign, or ruining a Brent Lillibridge steal attempt with batter's interference. These gaffes may have been inconsequential for all I know, but they are the kind of mistakes that can help spoil an audition, especially when the rest of the competition is raising the bar.
Add it all up, and I think De Aza just didn't show enough relative to what was at stake. That said, he should be the first outfielder called up from Charlotte if he can keep his head and health up. The Sox have needed to go to that well in previous years, and with Carlos Quentin rumbling around the outfield, an emergency call-up is never far away.
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THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO
by Jim Margalus on Mar 23, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Milledge has a much higher ceiling
and IF he pans out, he could be a full-time replacement for Juan Pierre next year. That’s my hope anyway, at least.
oh god no
I’d rather have Pierre or Mitchell if he has a huge year
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
I'm pretty sure
I don’t want Juan Pierre next year.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 8:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Say it with me:
“Mitchell.” “Mitchell.”
Has a nice ring to it.
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe
Either way they could have options next year with Dayan and with the year I think Quentin has.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 8:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Trade Quentin
If he has a big year, maybe something around 08, trade him for a high ceiling MLB ready pitching prospect, and perhaps a middle of the rotation starter. Include one of our ‘prospects’ if needed. I think that might be fair value IF Quentin puts up big numbers. He would also get a large arbitration increase and has poor defense. We can’t DH him do to Dunn, and with Buehrle and Jackson being on the market, we will need pitching. Of course Sale may be able to replace one of those two. If Milledge can put out, he could replace JP, and Viciedo might be able to play RF.
If Quentin puts up big numbers they won't want to trade him
If he doesn’t then no one will want him. Quentin is staying put.
bobpuller lives
look,
when you get a chance to trade for scott podsednik you don’t balk at the asking price.
by craigws on Mar 23, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you're offering up Carlos Lee as an example
Who are your comparisons to Pods and Vizcaino. Also Carlos Lee was FAR more consistent in his time with teh White Sox than Q.
bobpuller lives
Is this Tom Jones
singing “What’s New, Pussycat?” Tom, you big-dicked bastard, how are you?
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man I love that flick.
Romy Schneider, Ursula Andress, and Capucine…. Yummy.
I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011
by South Side Expat on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Comps are tbd
I was just pointing out that he could be moved on a sell high, possibly next offseason. Carlos lee was an example of moving a good hitter to fill other needs…SP is the biggest hole for next year and he could be used to help address that.
by paul_ on Mar 23, 2011 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Seeing Mitchell roaming the OF beginning of 2012 is a bit optimistic, no?
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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And he's beaten it to (near) death
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You are a terrible human being.
If it was moot it would be dead. It is anything but.
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by winningugly on Mar 23, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm an optimist.
And it is aggressive. But one can dream.
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2013 at the earliest.
Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj
I liked the Milledge pickup quite a bit..
And I’ll be satisfied if he makes the team. Even if he’s supposedly had trouble with his previous teams, I still think he has tremendous upside and maybe he can figure things out with the Sox.
While I’m not really high on the guy, does anyone else think that picking up Oliver Perez wouldn’t be a bad idea for some starting depth and to possibly fill the void Peavy will surely leave for a month or two? Like I said, I’m not crazy about him, but maybe Cooper can fix something with him.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Mar 23, 2011 2:48 AM CDT reply actions
Oh no...we don't want Ollie!
I am a WhiteSox fan in the AL, and in the National League I am a fan of the Mets. Ollie Perez is a disaster. He forgot how to pitch. He lost speed. He has never had control (Lead the majors in walks in 1 or 2 opportunities). He is homer prone. And apparently he is a disruptive character in the dugout. He makes Tony Pena looking good, and I consider Pena a Triple A pitcher. I rather go with Humber. In my opinion, Perez is wasted.
Guess what....I am elliptical!!!
by JofpGallagher on Mar 23, 2011 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions
After his knee injury OP hasn't been the same
Stay away
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2011 6:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough.
I haven’t seen him pitch enough to know for sure. I figured somebody here had. I’ll go with Humber then as well.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Mar 23, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Key word IF...
but let’s face it, aren’t payroll commitments for next year already over 100 million? Pierre would cost quite a bit more than Milledge or Mitchell, and I really doubt Mitchell would be ready next year after being setback a year already. If he puts it together and keeps his head on his shoulders, he could still become a decent, productive starting OF.
Payroll:
http://www.southsidesox.com/special/White-Sox-Payroll-Info
Could one of the editors add Alexei’s and Thornton’s new contracts?
If you include the last year of Danks’ arbitration it will be over 100 mil. Obviously, what they do with Quentin is largely dependent on the year he has. Then you have Jackson and Buehrle both entering free agency. The Sox need to replace them with the only reasonable in-house option being Sale.
But between Quentin, Viciedo, and now I guess we’ve gone completely insane and started discussing Milledge and Mitchell as potential 2012 starters, I think it possible we will find both our corner outfielders. Of course it is not beyond conceivability that we won’t want even 1 of those 4 starting. Also, Pierre will probably be cheaper than Quentin. Lots of question marks in the corners next year.
Screw 2012.
Let’s see what this year brings.
Your 2011 Chicago White Sox: Donkey Kong!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 23, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm perfectly capable of thinking about both.
by CatBrains on Mar 23, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Alexei & Thornton
What are those new year-by-year contract figures?
by bevingtonsTallBoy on Mar 23, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
here you go
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-white-sox.html
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I'm leaning towards Lillibridge over Milledge
Milledge is the better of the two but wouldn’t he be our 5th outfielder behind Pierre, Rios, Quentin and Teahen? If that is the case then I’d rather have Lillibridge riding the pine in the majors and be a late inning pinch runner or defensive replacement and have Milledge getting regular at bats in AAA. Milledge would be our insurance in case anyone goes down (and we all know Quentin will eventually).
Lillibridge is similarly deep behind Beckham/Ramirez/Vizquel, though
May as well take the guy with the bat.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Lillibridge can play the OF
Better and at more positions than Milledge.
Did people not see larry’s projected outfield for Sunday line-ups if Lastings wins out? Milledge, Pierre, Teahen? Whatever makes that NOT happen is what I am in favor of.
So you're fretting a Sunday lineup
because Milledge might play instead of Lillbridge? I’ve seen enough of killibridge. Sorry I’ll take the better hitter.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's more symptomatic of a lack of an adequate defensive replacement.
i’m having trouble seeing how milledge gets enough plate appearances to matter. seems like he’d be getting them at the expense of better players. it may only be a marginal difference either way but i can certainly see the need to have a good defender on the bench. not sure i see the need for milledge on the bench.
No I understand that.
Its one of the reasons why I said it wouldn’t surprise if killibridge did get the job. But if the intent was truly that then should have just taken De Aza who truly is the defensive replacement. Or bit the bullet and tried harder to move Teabag.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
If it's down to options...
Then why was there all this hoopla about a competition?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
this your first ST?
Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj
I mean around here. There was much speculation around here
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We'd debate the pronunciation of tomato if Jim would let us
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I haven't been watching the game
nice to hear Q blasted another one. Once again, I’m a Q guy…I think you got me mixed up with someone else.
bobpuller lives
tomoto?
thats crazy man.
Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj
We live in the Midwestern U.S.
we have our own fucking dialects and don’t need any more British meddling!
bobpuller lives
No way man. Milledge is a better outfielder than Lillibridge.
His CF > than Lil’ Lilly bridge any day of the week. And no, I won’t support this wild claim with evidence.
I'd go Milledge,
seems to have a much higher ceiling, and he’s got a hotter bat this spring than Lili.
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
But won't that bat cool off from sitting on the bench?
That’s the same reason I think he should go to AAA.
Phil Humber??
How has Phil done this spring?? It’s only a guess but I don’t think Peavy will be ready untill May unless he over-rules Coop & Ozzie.
“My vote is for Lilly to make the team. The Sox need his defense.” Lily’s mom.
hes Nick Masset
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
by blackoutsox on Mar 23, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Nick Masset... with attitude! No, he's better than Masset. I think Coop does a former bust good.
I’ll drink Don Cooper’s Kool-Aid all day. The man can put a bow tie on a cow pie we call a pitcher. Like Gavin Floyd.
I have a question for anyone living in Chicago right now.
What’s the current status of “Comiskey Bar and Grill” or “Comiskey’s” or whatever the hell the name of the restaurant they are building outside of The Cell is? I haven’t heard any news on it, nor have I seen any pictures of the place. I live downstate and haven’t been in Chicago since October and haven’t been to The Cell since June.
I’m going to the game against the Rays on April 8th with a few friends. Anyone else going?
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Mar 23, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Just got my single game tickets in the mail. There is an insert announcing the opening of Comiskey’s Bar and Grill at Gate 5 on April 7, 2011. It says it will be operated by the Gibson Restaurant group. Quoting fron the insert: “Menu highlights include hamburgers made with USDA Gibson’s prime anngus beef, handcut french fries, and in-house smoked bbq baby back ribs, pulled pork and beef brisket. Served with white tablecloth standard service…”
Also goes on to point out they will have 64 flat screen TVs and a “veritable Museum of White Sox memorabilia.” Renderings show both a bar area as well as a sit down restaurant. The old TBD’s outdoor area looks the same. (Hopefully the port a potties are gone.)
Makes no mention of the hours or whether it will be open on non game days.
http://whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2695000&postcount=179
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
Gracias.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Mar 23, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
that sounds like the grub from the 300 level.
Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj
Speaking of games
The season opener April 1st I will be at Morgan’s watching the game. Anyone in the hood stop by for a drink.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I am going to the April 8th game with a buddy. I am sitting in Sec 160 Row 10.
We will be there nice and early. I think we are leaving around 1pm from Elgin. We will have a cooler full of beer for pregame in the lot but we are going to hit up Comiskey’s (if it is open early enough), Redwood Lounge (if it hasn’t been shut down) or some other bar in the area. I welcome other faces to party with us.
bobpuller lives
We are sitting in Sec 119 Row 20.
I don’t know what time we’ll be arriving at the ballpark, but we are usually there a couple hours before start time. We might show up early to check out Comiskey’s, but I’d be open to having a beer with a fellow SSS’er. I’ll be in touch with you.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Mar 23, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Put me on those emails, I might go to that one as well.
I’ve already taken the day off… I’ll have to see how bad the hangover is from Opening day.
I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011
by South Side Expat on Mar 23, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The Redwood Lounge was shut down
Mobbed Up Video Poker is bad for business.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
Thats what I heard but wasn't sure if it is open again or what
I went there after a game in 2009 and everyone was allowed to smoke cigarettes despite the smoking ban.
bobpuller lives
Sox's lineup: Pierre lf, Beckham 2b, Rios cf, Konerko 1b, Quentin rf, AJ c, Ramirez ss, Teahen 1b, Morel 3b, Danks p
Is it wrong for me to dream for a Toby Hall-esque performance today?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Mar 23, 2011 2:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Jake Peavy, White Sox (rotator cuff tendinitis, 4/15)
Peavy had made such a solid recovery from his lat reattachment that it seemed he was going to make the Opening Day roster, if not the Opening Day start. Peavy had no setbacks and showed no loss of velocity or … well, any issues. But here at the tail end of camp, Peavy’s come up with rotator cuff tendinitis, something that’s not uncommon, especially given that Peavy hadn’t pitched for a while. The question is whether this is simply getting back into pitching and having a common issue along the way, or whether this is related in some way to the surgery. No one seems to think this is from a change in mechanics for Peavy, who looks the same to me and to several scouts who have seen him this spring. Reports are that the tendinitis is “concerning, but not serious.” The Sox will likely have Peavy on a course of anti-inflammatories as they ease his work back. Even if this stays as minor as it appears, a DL stint is likely as it would both save a roster spot and allow Peavy to make a rehab start in the minor leagues. Watch to see when Peavy gets back on a mound for more of an indication as to when he’ll be back in the Sox rotation.
Tough crowd.
And slightly unfair, He hasn’t BS’ed anyone about how he feels and hasn’t cost us $17MM/year plus prospects.
I’ll take my chances.
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought Mcpherson looked good playing 1b and 3b
for organizational filler we could do worse since hes got plenty of power
So does Gartrell, but he hasn't seen a pitch he didn't like.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
roster
I think Lillibridge is the one they keep, because of the options situation. Milledge has really impressed with his offense, not sure how good of a defensive player he is though.
K. McCulloch for F. Considerations.
Sounds about right.
Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
c'mon todd frazier!
Or maybe he was more like a 25 cent gumball after a big dinner out: screw it, why not? -colintj
Hopefully he's the last first round bust we'll be trading any time soon.
Meaning, hopefully the rest pan out in Sox unis.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Milledge Milledge Milledge! He’s a better player. He just rubs some the wrong way. Like our manager. And our catcher. He had a rough start to his career but life’s about getting another chance. Screw ups can clean up well, and while I’m in no way comparing their level of talent, giving Josh Hamilton another go really worked out. I’d also put him above Teahen. But that’s just me. I might be wrong, but I sure hope not.

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