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Is $5.5 million per year closer money?

Teams often go through the motions of pretending competition exists.  This spring, the White Sox have two such charades: a competition between Brent Morel and Mark Teahen for starting third baseman and a competition between four relievers for who will be the closer.

The White Sox have all but stopped pretending the former exists, after Teahen confirmed yet again his total incapability of playing defense.  Many will take this contract extension as the signal that the latter doesn't exist, either. After all, the thinking is that one wouldn't commit that annual salary to a reliever unless the intent is that he fulfill the figurehead position in the bullpen and accumulate the saves. Nevermind that Scott Linebrink will be taking the same annual fee to not close for not the White Sox.

The truth, of course, is that Thornton always was going to be the closer.  But, whether he would be closing or not, the White Sox probably felt a deal needed to be made. Perhaps racking up 40 saves for a contending team would have driven his price up on the 2012 free agent market.  But while the save continues to be a key driver in arbitration salaries, its role in free agency appears to be on the decline.  And, in any event, set up men have cashed in at rates similar to or in excess of $5.5 million.

Obviously, the key question is whether Thornton will be worth the salary going forward, whatever role he happens to fill.  Thornton has been the best non-Mariano Rivera reliever in baseball for the last three years. Pick any measure you like - FIP, ERA, K/BB, WHIP, holds - and it's just about impossible to argue that Thornton wouldn't have been worth this salary in past seasons.

Star-divide

In 2011, Thornton will be finishing out what turned out to be one of the team friendliest contracts in recent memory.  The day prior to the start of the 2007 season, the White Sox signed Thornton to a 3 year, $3.25 million contract with team options for 2010 and 2011. His annual salaries have been: 07:$0.55M, 08:$0.875M, 09:$1.325M, 10:$2.25M, 11:$3M.  So he's been paid $5 million so far and, according to fWAR, been worth $33M.  As the kids on Wall Street say, that's a sexy ROI.

As is usual with any contract - let alone one for a pitcher who will be 35 when it begins - the key is health.  And there have been some troubling indicators there, with elbow/forearm problems bothering him at a few points during this past season and eventually resulting in a DL trip in August.

Since Thornton throws his fastball about 90% of the time, all of his value is tied to that pitch.  And there has been no visible decline there. If anything, the pitch has gotten better.  His velocity has consistently sat in the 95-96 MPH range the past three seasons. And, when he returned from injury in September, his stuff was not diminished.

Comparable pitchers are hard to find because there aren't many left-handers who throw as hard as Thornton does. Of contemporaries, the White Sox probably would like a career arc like that of the recently retired Billy Wagner. Wagner maintained his mid-90s fastball, and his effectiveness, all the way through his final season at age 40.

Whether or not Thornton ends up serving as the closer for this contract is pretty much irrelevant to whether he's worth the contract (though some will argue that his value will actually decline because he'll see less important game situations as a strict 9th inning man).  He's already shown that a reliever's value is in getting hitters out in high leverage situations, whenever they happen to occur.  And his ability to do that is unquestioned.  We can discuss the usual caveats to any long-term commitment to a player but there isn't much to quibble with here from the outsider's perspective.  Depending upon salary inflation, he'll be paid to produce about 1-1.5 WAR.  He's been consistently and comfortably above that range in the past three seasons so he's got room to decline and still be worth the money, whether it's closer money or set-up man money.

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fuck nick swisher.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Mar 6, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hell, yeah.

"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."

by winningugly on Mar 6, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That last line is genius.

FNS!

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Mar 6, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i love uribe.

and depending on wether or not morel does anything… we still could use him.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 6, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

he got paid.

I’ll take Morel on the cheap.

this game is crack cocaine soaked in heroin, rolled in meth-amphetamine, then baked into a double dutch chocolate fudge brownie.- Shoeless In SC on BMO

by e-gus on Mar 7, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

this year.

he coulda played 3rd last year and 2nd the year before though.

plus if morel is hitting 170 by the time the methup comes along.. id still take uribe

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by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 7, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

i thought the story was that uribe took the bobblehead doll and defecated on it

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 7, 2011 4:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't realize he was that old.

I looked at his stats in Seattle. Cooper really did a nice job with him. He should give Cooper a cut. Oh wait, we don’t want to start that again.

by Rick B on Mar 6, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

He was a washed-up 1st round pick for a long time.

Back in 2006, the Baseball Prospectus entry on Thornton read:

Live fastball, nasty slider, a strikeout an inning in his first full year in the bigs—but yikes, check out the walks and homers! He`s another Mariners` 1st-round pick from a zillion years ago (1998) who looked like a prospect but never panned out. Lousy control was the main culprit, but he added 2002 Tommy John surgery and 2004 shoulder pain to gain his membership badge in the Mariners` scarred-up slingers` club. It`s hard to see Thornton suddenly finding the plate as he prepares to enter his 30s.

What a difference a ten-minute Don Cooper fix can make.

by asinwreck on Mar 6, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice writeup. Perfectly sane and reasonable extension.

Thx.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Mar 6, 2011 4:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Sox Hitting

What angers me so far about this spring is that the sox continue to have trouble with hitting. This has carried over into the first month and a half of the last few seasons.
Therefore, the coaching staff is not adequately preparing the hitters to be ready when the season starts. I’m not that worried about pitchhing at this point.

by Alan Snipes on Mar 6, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

Are you serious? Hard to tell snark from Snipe.

Sheehan says:

Davis is crushing the ball so far, which gives me the opening to make this point: spring-training stats don’t matter. Individual statistics have meaning when they’re accumulated as part of a push to win baseball games. In March, winning baseball games is a side effect of getting into shape, trying a new swing, rehabbing injuries, learning a change-up, implementing a timing mechanism, taking a look at that kid your brother-in-law, the scout in Tucson, never shuts up about. The wins and losses don’t matter, and therefore, the numbers do not, either. Any time you read or hear someone cite spring training statistics, hear them in the same manner you hear Charlie Brown’s teacher. I beg you. If you ever see me slip and cite spring-training stats, you have the right to send me e-mails dripping with profanity-laden snark. Well, more of them.

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by Chiburb on Mar 6, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

by my calculations

the White Sox are going to go 27-135.

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by e-gus on Mar 7, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Sing this in the streets.

"My role hads not changed: Old punching bag." -winningugly

by Uribe Down on Mar 6, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hire Greg Walker.

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 6, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

"By Pluto's Thorny Cock!"

Best Line from a great HBO series- Rome.

"juicy delicious meats in my mouth-hole"- HSA

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 6, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Love it...

Matt Thornton is one the best LH relievers in the game and would get more than that amount if he hit free agency.

by Navid on Mar 6, 2011 6:15 PM CST reply actions  

Billy Wagner is one of my favorite pitchers of all time

I love seeing Matt Thornton being comparable to him.

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 6, 2011 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

is the 5.5 definite?

isn’t that still crazy cheap for an elite reliever who could have been a FA at the end of the year?

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by colintj on Mar 6, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions  

so you see what i'm saying then?

isn’t 5.5 less than he could have had on the open market at the end of the year?

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by colintj on Mar 6, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i got that. i'm just trying to figure out why he didn't feel like holding out

for Juoaquin Benoit money. to each their own of course, but i’m wondering if it doesn’t presage something else.

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by colintj on Mar 6, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

he suggests he is happy where he is:

"It was an easy choice with an organization like this, with what they’ve done the last five months or so, retaining the core guys, adding the pieces and expecting to win," Thornton said.
While he has made it clear he would like to be go-to guy in the ninth inning, Thornton knows the decision is not up to him.
"I’ve made that clear that I will do what they want, even before the deal," he said. "They gave me security and trust me. My goal is to stay in Chicago the rest of my career."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesox-thornton

by craigws on Mar 6, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

" My goal is to stay in Chicago the rest of my career."

And as long as you follow Billy Wagner’s arc, you can.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a good signing.

Hope they can leverage his use in key situations against top hitters instead of putting him vs. bottom of the order because it’s the 9th. Now hopefully Chris Sale will have at least a year or two to develop into a good starting pitcher.

by Roger Abiague on Mar 6, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

I typically am not in favor of signing relievers to big money

Especially at this point in their careers. But, this seems to be a fair contract to both sides. The organization has received a pretty amazing deal with him so far.

I still think the Crain and Ohman deals aren’t good. Also the thought of still paying for that crappy linebrink contract for one more year is insane. Thankfully he won’t be pitching for us though.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 6, 2011 7:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

hey, look what ozzie said

“No matter what (Thornton) is, he’s an important piece. Sometimes the eighth inning is more important than the ninth. Right now (the closer role) is still open.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0307-white-sox-chicago—20110306,0,3291518.story

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Mar 6, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta motivate the other kids somehow

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by Shoeless In SC on Mar 6, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

hopefully ozzie follows through on that

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 7, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

hard to argue with this. if he stays healthy, it's a steal.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Mar 6, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Where is my new content????

What kind of a joint is this?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2011 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

Yup.

Was going to go to the DMV today, too. Big plans ruined all around.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 7, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Freezing here today. 72 degrees and sunny. Just met with a client last week whose niece was in from Binghamton. Told her what I’m telling you, Boss:

MOVE!

"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you are not allowed to move here

without an athletic contract, DB.

"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

lmao!

where is the love?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Roberta Flack loves homeless animals.

Go talk with her. (I will not reference the BEP version.)

"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell you what I tell everybody:

I prefer cold to heat.

THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE POOTY GOO

by Jim Margalus on Mar 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS.

Weirdo. I bet you LOVED the movie “Powder”.

"It's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee."

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

#WhiteSox at Ari (Tuc): milledge7, ram6, dunn dh, q9, castro2, morel5, mcpherson3, lilli4, danks8. Jackson.

#WhiteSox vs. Cle: pierre dh, beck4, rios8, pk3, aj2, viciedo9, tea5, viz6, gartrell7. Harrell pitching.

by larry on Mar 7, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions  

over under on Teabag errors at 3rd

1

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

i pick one

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on Mar 7, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

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