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A Review of 'Said in Stone- Your Game, My Way'

'Said In Stone - Your Game, My Way' by Steve Stone

   A few years ago I looked at the bookcase in my living room full of my wife's Vampire paperbacks and decided we needed a shelf dedicated to baseball books. About once a month I was adding another tome to the collection, and two full shelves(plus another bookcase) later Steve Stone's 'Said in Stone' joins the rotation.

  There are some great stories in this book. The first hand accounts of dealing with Bill Veeck, Chuck Tanner, and even Ron Santo are the best parts. Take this little excerpt about Doug Rader for example:

 In this one game in Houston, there was a popup over the third-base dugout. We had the third base dugout, and everybody on the bench stoop up to see if this popup would stay in play or not, and we were up on the rail to see if the ball would come into the dugout...

 Well, a ball was hit over the dugout, and six or seven of the players got up and watched the ball going into the seats. Rader came over to field it, and he knew the ball was going to be in the seats. It was just like an old three stooges segment: Rader just went right down the line through six or seven guys and slapped them right on the side of the face, then ran back laughing to his third base position.

Star-divide

  He talks about a time with the 1973 White Sox where manager Chuck Tanner wanted catcher Ed Herrmann to shave his mutton-chop sideburns, so to get his message across, he picked him up by them and suspended him in the air for about 10 seconds telling him how much he admired that look.

  There are 10 straight pages in the first baseman chapter dedicated to Dick Allen. Its great. Pages 68-77 are full of good stuff, like how Allen asked Stone to dinner when he first joined the team, only to ditch him at the hotel front desk for a few hours, and then finally called to let him know he was traded to Cleveland (even though he wasn't). 

  Another 10 pages are devoted to Ron Santo, specifically how Steve Stone harassed him constantly. He called him Mr. Tomato head because of how pissed off Ron would get when Steve was messing with him:

 After Ron had his second leg removed, I asked him, "Why don't they make the prosthetics long enough so you can stand 6'5" or 6'6"? Instead of being 6'1" all your life, you could see over the crowd. It would be great, you could be as tall as the players."

 Ron wasn't impressed.

 "They couldn't make me 6'5" because I wear a size 12 shoe," Ron said.

 "Ron," I replied. "You have no feet. You could wear Bozo the Clown's shoes, and it would make no difference!"

 Ron had no clue.

  I loved the personal stuff in here. Early on he mentions how Bill Veeck signed him after he became the first free agent for the Chicago Cubs in 1976. The rule was a team owned the players rights for five years then, but Veeck said he wouldn't have enough money for that so he would grant Stone his free agency again after the first year. This gesture was rewarded with a second year of service since Bill Veeck was upfront with him and was willing to take a chance on Steve who was coming off an injury shortened season. There is something good enough to warrant a chuckle every 10-20 pages throughout the first half of the book, sometimes unintentionally:

 When you look for a good first baseman, you see the Mark Teixeiras, the Derrek Lees, and Paul Konerkos of this world.

  So yeah, there are a couple times you can tell Stone Pony works for the White Sox when you read 'Said in Stone'. I love Paully as much as the next guy, buy I recognize that Teixeira is a far superior defender. I'm not so sure Lee belongs in that company anymore either, but that one made me laugh.

 

 

  The main thing you get with this book is 'a thorough breakdown of each baseball position and how to play it correctly' as the publisher puts it. Its very informative in that regard, and great if you don't know the game all that well and want to learn more about each players responsibility on the field. Unfortunately, some of this stuff is pretty remedial if you are like me and watch about 200+ games a year and have a pretty good handle on what each position player is supposed to be doing.

  The Chapters break down like this: Catching, Pitching, First Base, Second Base, Third Base, Shortstop, The Outfield, Managing, The Front Office, The Commissioner, The Future of the Sport.

  The first five chapters all have the personal stories I described sprinkled in there among them, but for some reason the anecdotes are absent in the second half of the book. The Hermann story is in Chapter 1 because he was a catcher. The 10 pages about Dick Allen are in the first baseman chapter, and the Santo stuff in the third base chapter because thats where he played. Shortstop and the outfield chapters are missing any funny or interesting stories about guys who played there. The book becomes a how to manual describing the responsibilities of each position exclusively. Fantastic if you are new to the game and just learning its nuances, but a bit tedious for the well informed. Unless you love the wheel play that is. Oh man does he talk a lot about the wheel play in this book. I think every possible variation is discussed in precise detail.

  The managing chapter was interesting to me, since that is the first thing we like to attack when the Sox run into outs or waste one of their last three remaining outs bunting a guy over to second base. Well, he cites Earl Weaver as one of the best managers ever a couple times and says Weaver absolutely hated giving up an out with the bunt. Later Stone proclaims we are returning to a small ball era, and seems to value the bunt much more than I do personally. He does talk about being more of a risk taker early, and tighten up as you run out of outs later in the game as a solid way to manage a team, so I'd be curious to here his honest thoughts on the whole sacrifice bunt in the ninth inning strategy that we have seen fail twice this very week.

  I was really looking forward to the front office chapter, because in the acknowledgements he thanks sss favorite and White Sox assistant GM Rick Hahn as well as general manager Kenny Williams for helping him with that part of this undertaking, but what we get is just a fairly generic overview of what the front office is responsible for. The different organizational strategies on scouting was something I didn't have a whole lot of knowledge about, so I found that somewhat interesting, but we dont get any White Sox specific insight from his sources at all.

 If you don't follow the sport as freakishly close as I do, there is plenty of knowledge to be gained by reading this book. Even if you do have 50 books on baseball already and watch every game the Sox play there is something in here for you, too. A lot of the personal stories are about his days with the White Sox, although the Twins and Gardenhire get a little too much love for my liking. In that respect, its a lot like listening to a Sox game when there isnt a lot going on in the field.

  Because Steve Stone has been broadcasting games most of my baseball watching life I could actually hear his voice in my head as I was reading his book. Especially because the book is full of phrases and adjectives he uses on tv like "the best pitch in baseball is strike one." He knows his stuff, and the side stories are amusing. I couldn't help but think that he could probably handle the booth himself like Vin Scully does someday.

   All in all it was a good read. A fine distraction from the terrible baseball the White Sox have been playing over their last 10 days, but I would have liked a couple Harry Caray stories in there. He was partnered with Harry in the Cubs booth for 14 years. That doesn't merit a single mention? I think he should have put some Harry Caray stories in there, the guy was larger than life. There weren't really any personal stories in the whole second half of the book. Surely he could have mentioned Harry broadcasting from the outfield in that chapter to break up the description of an outfielders responsibilities. The Hawk was noticeably absent, too. There should have been a broadcasting chapter.

EDIT: As RWShow pointed out, the stuff with Harry was probably left out because he already wrote that book. You can find it at amazon here.

  I'd recommend buying this book if you love baseball but don't understand every aspect of the game just yet and want to know more. If you are already well versed in that sort of thing, there is still plenty of stuff here for the knowledgeable Sox fan, like how Steve Stone thinks he was traded to the White Sox because he wouldn't bean someone for no reason coming in out of the pen for the San Francisco Giants.

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wow, great review gus

was there any reported tension between harry caray and stone? my recollection was that stone and chip caray supported each other during their showdown with cubs management and the players.

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 20, 2011 6:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, nice review!

I am glad you are taking your bookshelf back from the dreamy vampires.

i'd cry in the dark! by craigws

by Rhubarb on Apr 20, 2011 6:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Good to see someone in addition to Ozzie is reading.

“He’s a book!”

The catcher in 1973 was Ed Herrmann, not Frank.. He’s a “LinkedIn” buddy after the 2008 fantasy camp experience of getting dual massages in the same room. And I loved Doug Rader.

Good review.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 6:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Doug Rader

1986 interim manager and coiner of the term “winning ugly.”

You owe him a debt of gratitude.

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 20, 2011 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn straight.

1983 was a very good year.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

7-10 record through 17 games in '83

hmmmm……

BTW – best team in the AL at that time? The California Angels.

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 20, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on Apr 20, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Angels fell back to earth, finishing 58-85

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 20, 2011 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

This should get its own FanShot.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

the season is over.

didn’t you see the game thread yesterday? i think it was uncle dick who broke the bad news.

nine days to lee elia day!!

by BuehrleMan on Apr 20, 2011 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, he did

I expect an official announcement today from the club

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 20, 2011 7:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They would have to replace Ozzie.

The 1983 team went 29-10 to finish the season. Ozzie’s teams second half look a little different.

by Rick B on Apr 20, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

"when I was 47, it was a very good year...."

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on Apr 20, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

This meme just keeps on keeping on.

Like Old Man River. Sigh.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you keep it going with Lerner and Lowe song titles....

What’s next? Some Gilbert and Sullivan to mix things up? how about a Lerner and Sullivan Mash-up? “3 Little Maids for 7 Brothers”!

I am more than capable of loving the White Sox like no other, while hating the rotting abortion at Wrigley. Hell, I can also fully hate the Twain, Yankees and Red Sox at the same time!

Emotional multitasking. It exists. - RW Show

by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 20, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

seen it

wouldn’t recommend it

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Apr 20, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Pirates of Oklahoma"?

I am more than capable of loving the White Sox like no other, while hating the rotting abortion at Wrigley. Hell, I can also fully hate the Twain, Yankees and Red Sox at the same time!

Emotional multitasking. It exists. - RW Show

by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 20, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

a true tear jerker

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Apr 20, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is e-gus a vampire?

I don’t expect updated material at 6:00 am.

Is SSS now a 24/7 entity?

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Apr 20, 2011 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Always has been.

It’s just usually booze and drug fueled ramblings in the wee hours. This post is remarkably coherrent for one of e-gus’ meth benders.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on Apr 20, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

My grades were much better in the old days when there wasn’t new content every 5 hours. Between this, BMO, goallineblitz, and Yahoo! Fantasy I don’t get anything done anymore.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 20, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can tell it when to publish.

i typed it up after the game last night and pushed the start time back.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh my science!

Easy chief
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by Jack M on Apr 20, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

"She's tidied up, and I cant find anything!"

I am more than capable of loving the White Sox like no other, while hating the rotting abortion at Wrigley. Hell, I can also fully hate the Twain, Yankees and Red Sox at the same time!

Emotional multitasking. It exists. - RW Show

by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 20, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is probably why.

i was thinking maybe he had another book idea in the works, didnt realize it already existed.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 20, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good review

I planned on picking up a copy. I’ve always enjoyed hearing Stoney’s take on baseball during the broadcasts.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Apr 20, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

"Herrmann", dammit.

2 "r"’s. Man, it’s tough to be the spelling police around here.

;)

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

ty

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Slam dunked.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You POS.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

you'd love the 10 pages on your boy, wu.

its the best part of the book.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Will definitely get it now.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've read it in the shitter though haven't you?

That book sounds like good shit lit’

i'd cry in the dark! by craigws

by Rhubarb on Apr 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

a significant potion of it was read on the pot, yes.

however, the lid was closed as I was supervising some toddler bath time.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

"huh... kids been quiet for a while now... oh well. hehehe.. That darn stoney!"

Ripped from the headlines!

I am more than capable of loving the White Sox like no other, while hating the rotting abortion at Wrigley. Hell, I can also fully hate the Twain, Yankees and Red Sox at the same time!

Emotional multitasking. It exists. - RW Show

by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 20, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, your van is way more tricked out than wu's.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 20, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been flagged!

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 20, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

swarm! swarm!

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 20, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q!

i'd cry in the dark! by craigws

by Rhubarb on Apr 20, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still leading the league in doubles I see.

Nice to see him find his way back up in the line up. Let’s hope he can stick there this time around.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 20, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

swap alexei and beckham, teahen with AJ, and I'm good.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 20, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

a bookshelf dedicated to baseball books....

I LOVE IT.

And I hope you have a copy of The Bullpen Gospels on that self. Such a good book, baseball or not.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Apr 20, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

uh...

SHELF, and not “on that self”

epic quick reply fail.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont

ill have to check it out.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent review, thanks!

my basedball bookshelf consists of two books, but one day I hope it will be like yours!

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson

by blackoutsox on Apr 20, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

all the ones in that picture are the essentials.

except maybe moneyball, and the obsessed with baseball one is just a book of trivia questions.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did notice one notable absence:

“Sox Outsider 2009-11”. I was just reviewing my own bookshelves and saw Jim’s tomes. Nice work, gus. Buy the Boss’ goddamn book, already.

DB.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 20, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think you need new 'reading' glasses old man.

you don’t recognize that last name in the bottom left hand corner?

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 20, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may be right.

Upon Zapruder film-like analysis, Marvelous Margalus is visible. I’m sure Jim appreciates the placement.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 21, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

luck of the draw, i didnt exactly stage the shot to any specifications

i just wanted it between veeck and men at work.

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 21, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Know your audience.

Gotta promote SSS stuff whenever possible. If Jim goes under, we all go under.

“BUY MY BOOK!”

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 21, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

stevestone.com

glad to hear the book’s a good read. I love listening to Stoney on the Score (though he’s a little too optimistic all the time about both chicago teams), but Stevestone.com was a godawful excuse for a website.

by son_of_sophist on Apr 21, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

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