Sweat equity: Humber holding up
I've never seen a no-hitter in person. The closest I ever came to witnessing one for myself was back in 2001, when Danny Wright threw 6 1/3 no-hit innings.
The excitement was near-negligible, because Wright was all over the place. He had walked seven batters, so there was no way he was finishing the game. His day ended when Chris Gomez dinged him for a double on his 115th pitch. In the process, he established the threshold where I officially start getting excited about the possibility for a no-hitter. If Danny Wright could carry on the facade of greatness for that long, why couldn't anybody else?
On Monday, Phil Humber's hopes died on the Danny Wright Line. He lost Mark Teixeira by walking him after getting ahead 0-2, and Alex Rodriguez followed up by poking a single through the middle. The Yankees had a runner in scoring position with only one out, and he wasn't out of the woods.
Robinson Cano is on the short list of hitters you don't want to face with a runner in scoring position. He's a .320 hitter since 2009, and worse for Humber, he's a left-handed hitter who hammers righties.
Things can snowball after losing a no-hitter. You may remember that Gavin Floyd lost his no-hit bid and shutout in rapid succession in the eighth inning during his duel with Ted Lilly last year. Fatigue doesn't mix well with disappointment.
Humber didn't let the game get away from him, even though a couple of pitches did. This one plate appearance sums up his night pretty well.
On Gameday -- and you can click the image for a larger version -- this looks great, doesn't it?
That's only halfway right.
The first two pitches, while on the outside corner, were big, big, mistakes. Both times, A.J. Pierzynski set up on the inside corner, and Humber missed the target by a full plate. The second pitch courted real danger - Gameday calls it a changeup, Al Leiter called it a slider, and either way, it did nothing. Once again, Humber ended up on the other side of the plate. Cano fouled it back, and was disgusted with himself for doing so.
Here's where Humber gets credit. When the Yankees missed a hittable pitch, he seized the opportunity, and this Cano at-bat was no exception.
Pierzynski set up down and away for a backdoor breaking ball. Humber missed by far less this time, and he missed well - it was below the knees, and Cano couldn't do anything with it besides chop it foul.
He nailed Pitch No. 4. Pierzynski called for a letter-high fastball, and Humber finally nailed the target. Cano swung and missed. Right pitch call, right execution.
That's basically how it went for Humber all night long. First-pitch strikes allowed him to stay away from his fastball more than half the time, which kept Yankee hitters off-balance enough to be a hair off on the hangers. Humber was happy to seize the opportunities.
Acknowledging Humber's mistakes doesn't diminish what he accomplished on Monday night. He earned his big-boy pants, giving the White Sox the kind of start they absolutely needed. All's well that ends well when shutting down that potent of a lineup, and even more so when the scrap-heap sixth starter is doing it.
At the same time, there's no harm in dissecting his stuff. We've only seen him for 25 innings, and that's a third of his major-league career. Going forward, it's nice to know what he can and can't do, given that the Sox will be leaning on him more than they hoped.
So far, he resembles an apt replacement for Freddy Garcia in terms of style. He registers a few ticks better on the radar gun, he's less precise with his command, but the result is the same -- the more he can get away from his fastball, the better. Thanks to his success early in the count, he could afford to miss later. The Yankees gave him leeway, but he did his part to earn it.
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Glad to see you use the old Gameday
This new stuff makes me puke. Puke feces out my nose.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
Why HAVEN'T you?
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
I like it
although I liked being able to spin in all crazy directions on the old one
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson
by blackoutsox on Apr 26, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say that's an apt description of the new gamay
by ObsidianXIII on Apr 26, 2011 2:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn you mobile
continuing…gameday. It really doesn’t add much in terms of features, while keeping vital information hidden. The old one has the info all on one screen.
by ObsidianXIII on Apr 26, 2011 2:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
it was nice to see the bullpen effective BUT
collectively they didn’t throw a first pitch strike until the last batter of the game.
They started out behind in the count to everyone.
Sale threw ball one to Posada and Martin
Santos threw ball one to Chavez, Jeter, Granderson, and Teixiera.
A-Rod was the only one to get a strike on the first pitch.
Thats not exactly a recipe for success.
UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.
Cy Humber!
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Apr 26, 2011 6:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Great recap. Good writing.
There was a NYT piece on Humber a couple of Sundays ago that I didn’t post since few seem to read the articles I find interesting, so here it is:
Now, Humber said, he has focused on the simple things: staying tall over the rubber, not rushing his delivery. On Friday against the Los Angeles Angels, he allowed two earned runs over five innings in a 4-3 loss to Jered Weaver, who led the American League in strikeouts last season and was chosen nine picks later in 2004.
"I used to be like, ‘I’m not living up to expectations,’ " Humber said. "You hear people talk about being a bust, and when you hear that, things start to creep in, like, ‘I’m not as good as what I was before.’ But now, it doesn’t even matter to me. I’m just a guy that’s trying to carve out a career, and I still feel like I have good stuff."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/sports/baseball/17extra.html?scp=3&sq=phillip%20humber&st=cse
I saw the Garza no-no in person last year at the Tropical Abortion. It is a goosebumpy experience, even when it’s not your team.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
the other difference between humber and freddy
is that humber has a better thor hammer.
three days to lee elia day!!
I had the pleasure and honor of being at Buehrle's perfect game back on July 23rd, 2009...
Perhaps it was just me and because of the type of baseball fan that I am, but as much as I loved being there for it, it was stressful/painful to watch too. You obviously want your team to throw a no-no, but as it gets deeper into the game every pitch has you on edge. And it just keeps building. Right around the 7th inning I was looking around at my friends sitting next to me and we non-verbally confirmed that we were all seeing the same thing. I obviously knew Buehrle was throwing a perfect game, but I kept telling myself that the Rays would eventually get a hit, even if it was a blooper or swinging bunt single. When the hit never comes it’s just an awful feeling because now you’ve built it up in your mind. I’d compare it to waiting on a friend or family member to get out of a serious surgery. That being said…it was still fucking awesome.
For a while last night I really thought that Humber was going to throw a no-no, win the game, and bring us out of this funk. Even though he didn’t get the no hitter he gave us a much needed lift and we still got the win. Humber has earned my respect.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Apr 26, 2011 7:56 AM CDT reply actions
you thought he was going to get the no-no?
I was happy to see him give up the hit so Ozzie wouldn’t stick with him into the 8th.
UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.
I actually thought he might for a little bit
Stranger things have happened, and I think I have been sports positive lately with the blackhawks. They are a team winning when they shouldn’t be without the best stuff… Maybe Humber (a guy without the best stuff) could do it?
Or maybe I am just crazy…
true.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Apr 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I was there too!
The framed ticket/photo/linescore is on the wall about 6 feet away from me as I type this.
Good times.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
shit, dude. i was in LF and keeping score, as was my dad.
same unspoken “you seeing what i’m seeing?” looks at the scorecards then each other.
scorecard and ticket at the framers right now (thanks groupon!).
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Apr 26, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I was in left, in the last few rows.
did you hear a woman screaming like she got a dollar on the price is right wheel after every strike starting around the 6th? fucking superstition keeping us from moving away from her.
possibly. there was a band of drunks to the right of us that weren't paying attention
and had the gall to ask “is something big going on?” around the 8th. though one of their young, lithe tipsygoers tripped and fell into my uncle’s lap at some point. the “well, hello there young lady” had the folks around us cracking up.
my buddy had flown his parents in from kuwait for his wedding that weekend and it was their first-ever baseball game. him and some other friends of ours had come over to our section to say hello around the 6th. superstition kept them there the rest of the game.
in this pic, we’re in the upper-right hand corner of the crowd. pops is in green with shades and backwards cap, i’m the doucher directly in front pointing to the right with the left hand.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Apr 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
coincidentally, was also the section my dad sat in for buehrle's no-no.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Apr 26, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
heh, and the dude i'm with (just out of frame behind me -- sucker)
sat near the same seats for the no-no as well. asshole goes to a handful of games a year and he saw both of them.
Pops is wearing a backwards hat?
That explains a lot.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i recognize that doucher!
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I can't find you in the picture, you need to be more specific.
Address?
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson
holy fucking awesomesauce.
thats me in the top left corner barely making it into the frame. black shirt khaki shorts.
stalker.
I gave my ticket to my brother in law..first major league game ever...
The story is really very sad. I will have to relate it to you at the methup, South Side Expat got to hear it while tailgating.
i'd cry in the dark! by craigws
Oh man... that is one hellava story.
Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training
by South Side Expat on Apr 26, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Morning Police Blotter
TAMPA, Fla. — Former Major League outfielder Carl Everett is in a Tampa jail on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and tampering with a witness.
Excellent.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
haha.
maybe a witness to dinosaur exhibits?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Apr 26, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, assault with a deadly weapon and tampering with a witness
They go together so well, like donuts and coffee, cookies and cream, etc. etc.
All kinds of crazy happens in Tampa.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard the altercation started
between Everett and his wife because she wanted to watch the hit blockbuster “Jurassic Park” and Everett would have none of it.
by ceverettsdinosaurs on Apr 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 26, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Humber
Smoke and mirrors, I hate the be the wet blanket im thrilled Humber has given us a quality effort with peavy sidelined, but how many hangers did the guy get away with last night??? He mowed down a real good lineup, but I think that lineup had a bad day more then Humber had great stuff…. hope im wrong and we struck another Don Cooper reclamation project gem, but i doubt it.
i don't think anyone here believes that humber has magically become anything better than a semi-reliable fifth starter
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i don't count him
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Who here has raised their expectations?
I don’t see people claiming that he’s the next ace of the staff. The Sox haven’t extended his contract for 5 years $100M, so what’s changed? He pitched a good game against the highest scoring team in baseball, can people be happy about it?
It’s happened against us far too often lately (Brad Penny?). So what’s wrong with us being on the good side of it without you claiming to be some know it all wet blanket?
I think it's fair
to say Humber gives the Sox what they need. A viable 6th starter who might give relief for extra rest. He shut down the Yanks period. I can point out plenty of pitches that starters get away with in games. You’re just nitpicking.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
by Tdogg on Apr 26, 2011 9:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Buzz. Kill.
6th starter. Fer Chrissakes. And he was picked ahead of Jered Weaver, so he’s had the good at some point in his career. Right now he’s done better that Fatolo Colon did for us before he went AWOL. If he has a 5.00 ERA in June we’ll still be ahead of the game.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
And unlike Colon
Humber’s FIP and xFIP are good thru the 25 innings.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
by Tdogg on Apr 26, 2011 9:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why can't we just be glad the Sox won a fucking game?
by moroots on Apr 26, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
GOOD FOOKING QUESTION.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
But, can he learn to win?
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 26, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks for the shout out to the importance of batting average:
Robinson Cano is on the short list of hitters you don’t want to face with a runner in scoring position. He’s a .320 hitter since 2009, and worse for Humber, he’s a left-handed hitter who hammers righties.
Of course, Cano could also have forced a passed ball on ball four. That would have been awesome.
Thanks for the updates.
Yeah a walk from Cano would have been terrible in that situation.
I mean it would have really hurt the team.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
you being serious or?
needs more clearly if you’re not being serious.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on Apr 26, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson
One day, I'm going to hit your fist so many times with my face
that you won’t be able to type your name for a week. (sideways smiley face)
by TasteeFreeze on Apr 26, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Is this the point where I bring up random ballplayers?
Randy Ready! Junior Felix!
Oh hey! You snuck up on me there! I was just making some homemade pudding! It's me, Roger Maris, inventor of the asterisk. Son of a bitch.
by Jim Margalus on Apr 26, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
It looked like Humber was throwing a slider last night that he didn't have in previous starts.
The pitch was similar to the slider that Floyd developed upon joining the White Sox. I checked Texas Leaguers’ Pitch F/X database once the game log was available this morning, and there were no pitchers from yesterday that registered as a slider or cutter. But there has been an interesting development with the pitches that are recorded as changeups.
In the verticle/horizontal movement charts, a cluster of pitches has gradually been appearing in a new location. This location has more verticle drop and horizontal movement towards the left side of the plate than a typical RH fastball. The cluster registers as changeup, which seems unlikely to me because it is rare for a change to move away from the side that the pitcher is throwing from (should have a tailing motion). Look how the new pitch has slowly turned up with each successive start.


CH Vert/Hor movement start #1: 5.54 / -7.81
CH Vert/Hor movement start #2: 7.89 / -4.60
CH Vert/Hor movement start #3: 6.26 / -3.69
CH Vert/Hor movement start #4: 4.36 / -0.30
In start #1, he did not throw any offspeed pitches in the new movement zone. In start #2, it looks like he may have been trying to throw some, but they hung up. In start #3, a handful were thrown successfully. In start #4, the slider/cutter was used effectively, and Yankees were probably not even aware of this pitch. Humber has gone from having zero offspeed pitches in this zone one the movement chart in start #1 to having about 20 in start #2, 1/5 of his pitches last night. Unfortunately, since two clusters of pitches are being recorded as changeups, I can’t see how effective each one was individually.
Here is Floyd’s cut-fastball (I still think it’s slider based on its velocity and three fingers AJ puts down) for comparison. It looks similar to Humber’s chart from last night, but Humber got a bit more horizontal movement on average.

This is the pitch for Floyd which basically gave his career a 2nd life. Hopefully another former top pick in Humber has similarly found a new pitch to help put himself on the right track.
by 3E8 on Apr 26, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Ozzie, perhaps justifiably so, doesn't want people watching the White Sox tonight.
Catch me on E60 tonight at 7pm on espn
had great time with @jeremyschaap cant wait to see it bro very excited. Ur awesome man my family and i liked u very much
on at 7pm in new york 6 in chicago
At least he’s nice enough to provide us with an alternative.
"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1
by mechanical turk on Apr 26, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Don Cooper is the man
Look at how much he’s improved since season’s start. Ozzie talked about it too. Def. not perfect, but if confidence/command have been problems, maybe this will do a lot to mitigate those problems. Also Coop’s good with helping location. Any way you slice it, Coop’s a magician.
Well can he fucking fix Jackson?
I got drinks on the line………
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
You're asking?
You were pretty certain a month a go…
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't live in a world where Tdogg isn't certain that everything's perfectly fine!
"Nice erection, sally."
Yes.
He will calm down. I think Jackson’s been rattled by the awful season’s start. His head just has to clear, he cant try to do too much. I think Coop’s good with that. Plus honing skills such as plus pitches. Especially sliders. His will continue to get better. Coop will have him locating better by the end of the month.
You glean interesting things from just a few starts.
On what do you base your intuition?
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
by winningugly on Apr 26, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
A few things
His work with Gavin, Danks, Thornton’s control, Edwin’s performance after the trade, and Sergio Santos as a whole. I dunno, just my gut feeling I guess.
Dont worry chief
I’ll enjoy by JW BLACK
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
Your name is not Rhubarb.
You will enjoy buying me my bottle of wine.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

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